Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 HI Deborah, Welcome to our group. I am very sorry your son has reached ESRD. I am not yet on dialysis, so I can't answer your specific questions, but I did want to extend a welcome to you and . As a parent myself, I can only imagine how hard it is to watch your son going through this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Some people have to be on 4-1/2 and even 5 hours at a time. It depends on how big they are and how much cleaning of the blood they need for adequate dialysis. It sucks, but what can you do. We can just be thankful we live now instead of 15 years ago, when dialyzers were not as efficient, and a typical dialysis session could easily be 8 hours or more. Home hemodialysis is a program that's available on a limited basis in some areas, but patients usually have to be long term, very stable, and with a spouse or other close relative who is willing to be trained to be the dialysis tech at home. It also requires a place where there is room for it, and accessible plumbing. They might not want to do that until the potential kidney donor situation is sorted out (and just that can take weeks). In my opinion, you would be a lot better off discussing the possibility of peritoneal dialysis with his doctor, if you want home dialysis, since that option should be a very real possibility barring any medical problems that would make PD not advisable (rare). There's really not much to switching to PD from hemo. Even in places where home hemodialysis is a possibility, there is usually a waiting list for home hemo, and patients have usually been on dialysis for quite a while already. If your son is weak after dialysis, first of course, you should discuss that with the nephrologist. They may be aiming for a dry weight that is too low, or they may be taking off too much potassium, or bicarbonate might be set too high for him (it took at least 3 months after I started to get all that sorted out, and even longer to settle on the right amount of blood pressure medication). If all of those are Ok, you have to be sure that in between treatments, he is eating enough potassium and enough meat protein, and also drinking up to his limit. After dialysis, it doesn't hurt to have a drink and eat something. Myself, and just about everyone I know does this. Sometimes blood sugar is a bit low too. I understand your concerns Deborah, since I've been through this myself, but you have to be patient. Give it a few more weeks. It often takes 6 months before a new patient really starts feeling better on dialysis. It does get better. Pierre On hemodialysis since October 2002 Hemo Dialysis at home Does anyone do Hemo Dialysis at home with a big kidney machine like in a dialysis center? We want to do this with our 17yos or ds and I do. Dh says NO, but his input is neither here nor there. Do you think insurance would pay for or can you rent the hemo dialysis like a CPAP machines for maybe less than 6 months. Our only other child and son who is 27 is going to be tested to be a donor. Ds has been on HD at a hosptial or clinic since Dec 24, 3 days a week for 3 and a half hours a tx with hooking and unhooking over 4 hours. He is weak after each tx and today it was mentioned to his father and I that they might need to go on 4 hours or more. Deborah Bowman/tn *Ü* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Hi Pierre, Don't know about the US but in the UK it's very rare to fund home hemodialysis -because of it's unusual nature, I'm usually the one who has to find the cash and it's usually reserved for young children for most of the requests I've been involved in - not sure how it works in the IS with the commercial aspect to healthcare! Dave Hemo Dialysis at home Does anyone do Hemo Dialysis at home with a big kidney machine like in a dialysis center? We want to do this with our 17yos or ds and I do. Dh says NO, but his input is neither here nor there. Do you think insurance would pay for or can you rent the hemo dialysis like a CPAP machines for maybe less than 6 months. Our only other child and son who is 27 is going to be tested to be a donor. Ds has been on HD at a hosptial or clinic since Dec 24, 3 days a week for 3 and a half hours a tx with hooking and unhooking over 4 hours. He is weak after each tx and today it was mentioned to his father and I that they might need to go on 4 hours or more. Deborah Bowman/tn *Ü* To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/ To unsubcribe via email, iga-nephropathy-unsubscribe Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca. The site is entirely supported by donations. If you would like to help, go to: http://www.igan.ca/id62.htm Thank you ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Dave, I'll tell you how it works in the US. It is damned expensive for the tax payers. When you go on Dialysis, you go on government insurance. Just because it is picked up by the Gov. doesn't mean that the cost is negotiated down. Our Gov. is so stupid about those things. Whe we started medic aid for seniors here in the States, the government didn't negotiate costs, so since then (the late 60's) the costs of medical treatments have gone out of the roof!!! But, you can't find better or more access anywhere in the world either. Oh, well, I guess it is a trade off. I understand that my transplant costed somewhere around $150,000.00. I'm glad thati had good insurance since I hadn't gone on dialysis and so Medicare didn't pay for a dime. Hemo Dialysis at home Does anyone do Hemo Dialysis at home with a big kidney machine like in a dialysis center? We want to do this with our 17yos or ds and I do. Dh says NO, but his input is neither here nor there. Do you think insurance would pay for or can you rent the hemo dialysis like a CPAP machines for maybe less than 6 months. Our only other child and son who is 27 is going to be tested to be a donor. Ds has been on HD at a hosptial or clinic since Dec 24, 3 days a week for 3 and a half hours a tx with hooking and unhooking over 4 hours. He is weak after each tx and today it was mentioned to his father and I that they might need to go on 4 hours or more. Deborah Bowman/tn *Ü* To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/ To unsubcribe via email, iga-nephropathy-unsubscribe Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca. The site is entirely supported by donations. If you would like to help, go to: http://www.igan.ca/id62.htm Thank you ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Dave, I'll tell you how it works in the US. It is damned expensive for the tax payers. When you go on Dialysis, you go on government insurance. Just because it is picked up by the Gov. doesn't mean that the cost is negotiated down. Our Gov. is so stupid about those things. Whe we started medic aid for seniors here in the States, the government didn't negotiate costs, so since then (the late 60's) the costs of medical treatments have gone out of the roof!!! But, you can't find better or more access anywhere in the world either. Oh, well, I guess it is a trade off. I understand that my transplant costed somewhere around $150,000.00. I'm glad thati had good insurance since I hadn't gone on dialysis and so Medicare didn't pay for a dime. Hemo Dialysis at home Does anyone do Hemo Dialysis at home with a big kidney machine like in a dialysis center? We want to do this with our 17yos or ds and I do. Dh says NO, but his input is neither here nor there. Do you think insurance would pay for or can you rent the hemo dialysis like a CPAP machines for maybe less than 6 months. Our only other child and son who is 27 is going to be tested to be a donor. Ds has been on HD at a hosptial or clinic since Dec 24, 3 days a week for 3 and a half hours a tx with hooking and unhooking over 4 hours. He is weak after each tx and today it was mentioned to his father and I that they might need to go on 4 hours or more. Deborah Bowman/tn *Ü* To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/ To unsubcribe via email, iga-nephropathy-unsubscribe Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca. The site is entirely supported by donations. If you would like to help, go to: http://www.igan.ca/id62.htm Thank you ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Hi Dave, There is very limited availability of it in Canada. It's just too costly. In the city where I live, the nation's capital, I think there are 30 or so home hemodialysis patients, but it's considered a pilot project. They hope to get government funding on the basis that daily nocturnal home hemo may be better overall than the 3x week variety, but I don't think things are moving in that direction right now. Pierre Re: Hemo Dialysis at home Hi Pierre, Don't know about the US but in the UK it's very rare to fund home hemodialysis -because of it's unusual nature, I'm usually the one who has to find the cash and it's usually reserved for young children for most of the requests I've been involved in - not sure how it works in the IS with the commercial aspect to healthcare! Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Thanks Trade offs are everything aren't they? In UK virtually all out healthcare is funded from taxes but that has downside too. If you have a non-urgent procedure then it's a long wait. Also, the NHS is currently going through a a pay modernisation process so it doesn't have enough money to pay the doctors cause they're all expecting a $35,000 a year rise!!! ho hum - NHS accountants have loadsa stress :o/ Dave Hemo Dialysis at home Does anyone do Hemo Dialysis at home with a big kidney machine like in a dialysis center? We want to do this with our 17yos or ds and I do. Dh says NO, but his input is neither here nor there. Do you think insurance would pay for or can you rent the hemo dialysis like a CPAP machines for maybe less than 6 months. Our only other child and son who is 27 is going to be tested to be a donor. Ds has been on HD at a hosptial or clinic since Dec 24, 3 days a week for 3 and a half hours a tx with hooking and unhooking over 4 hours. He is weak after each tx and today it was mentioned to his father and I that they might need to go on 4 hours or more. Deborah Bowman/tn *Ü* To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/ To unsubcribe via email, iga-nephropathy-unsubscribe Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca. The site is entirely supported by donations. If you would like to help, go to: http://www.igan.ca/id62.htm Thank you ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Thanks Trade offs are everything aren't they? In UK virtually all out healthcare is funded from taxes but that has downside too. If you have a non-urgent procedure then it's a long wait. Also, the NHS is currently going through a a pay modernisation process so it doesn't have enough money to pay the doctors cause they're all expecting a $35,000 a year rise!!! ho hum - NHS accountants have loadsa stress :o/ Dave Hemo Dialysis at home Does anyone do Hemo Dialysis at home with a big kidney machine like in a dialysis center? We want to do this with our 17yos or ds and I do. Dh says NO, but his input is neither here nor there. Do you think insurance would pay for or can you rent the hemo dialysis like a CPAP machines for maybe less than 6 months. Our only other child and son who is 27 is going to be tested to be a donor. Ds has been on HD at a hosptial or clinic since Dec 24, 3 days a week for 3 and a half hours a tx with hooking and unhooking over 4 hours. He is weak after each tx and today it was mentioned to his father and I that they might need to go on 4 hours or more. Deborah Bowman/tn *Ü* To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/ To unsubcribe via email, iga-nephropathy-unsubscribe Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca. The site is entirely supported by donations. If you would like to help, go to: http://www.igan.ca/id62.htm Thank you ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Yeah same here Peirre - there's not even a pilot although we are moving dialysis out to more remote areas to stop people having to travel but the need is so variable around the area it's very costly! Re: Hemo Dialysis at home Hi Pierre, Don't know about the US but in the UK it's very rare to fund home hemodialysis -because of it's unusual nature, I'm usually the one who has to find the cash and it's usually reserved for young children for most of the requests I've been involved in - not sure how it works in the IS with the commercial aspect to healthcare! Dave To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/ To unsubcribe via email, iga-nephropathy-unsubscribe Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca. The site is entirely supported by donations. If you would like to help, go to: http://www.igan.ca/id62.htm Thank you ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Hi All, We are just starting a home hemodialysis training program in our clinic; I am not directly involved because the home program is not my area of responsibility; incenter hemo is. However, I know that we are the first facility in Northwest PA to start such a program; the closest one is at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. So we are quite excited to be on the " cutting edge " in our neck of the woods, which is quite rural. Our first patient has learned to put his needles in and set up his machine; we are designing our program to be minimally dependent on a " partner " but one can assist if desired. We are starting our first patient on nocturnal home hemo, but a plan is in the works to get a special machine manufactured by AKSYS to do daily short hemo as well. (the nocturnal will be 8 hour treatments 3 nights per week on a Gambro C3 machine; the daily will be 2.5-3 hour) I am not aware of any insurance issues at this time, but I am not saying they won't come up. If I get any information that would be useful to the group as a whole regarding insurance, I will be glad to share. Since several of you gave me a warm welcome, I thought I would share this story with you; it seems that home hemo is gaining popularity again. We also have an incenter nocturnal program that runs 2 nights per week; 8 hour treatments, and we have little difficulty keeping it full. Take care, Stacey > Yeah same here Peirre - there's not even a pilot although we are moving dialysis out to more remote areas to stop people having to travel but the need is so variable around the area it's very costly! > Re: Hemo Dialysis at home > > > Hi Pierre, > > Don't know about the US but in the UK it's very rare to fund home > hemodialysis -because of it's unusual nature, I'm usually the one who has to > find the cash and it's usually reserved for young children for most of the > requests I've been involved in - not sure how it works in the IS with the > commercial aspect to healthcare! > > Dave > > > > To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group > home page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/ > > To unsubcribe via email, > iga-nephropathy-unsubscribe > Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca. The site is entirely supported by donations. If you would like to help, go to: > http://www.igan.ca/id62.htm > > Thank you > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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