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HI Deborah,

Welcome to our group. I am very sorry your son has reached ESRD. I

am not yet on dialysis, so I can't answer your specific questions, but I did

want to extend a welcome to you and .

As a parent myself, I can only imagine how hard it is to watch your son going

through this.

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Some people have to be on 4-1/2 and even 5 hours at a time. It depends on

how big they are and how much cleaning of the blood they need for adequate

dialysis. It sucks, but what can you do. We can just be thankful we live now

instead of 15 years ago, when dialyzers were not as efficient, and a typical

dialysis session could easily be 8 hours or more.

Home hemodialysis is a program that's available on a limited basis in some

areas, but patients usually have to be long term, very stable, and with a

spouse or other close relative who is willing to be trained to be the

dialysis tech at home. It also requires a place where there is room for it,

and accessible plumbing. They might not want to do that until the potential

kidney donor situation is sorted out (and just that can take weeks). In my

opinion, you would be a lot better off discussing the possibility of

peritoneal dialysis with his doctor, if you want home dialysis, since that

option should be a very real possibility barring any medical problems that

would make PD not advisable (rare). There's really not much to switching to

PD from hemo. Even in places where home hemodialysis is a possibility, there

is usually a waiting list for home hemo, and patients have usually been on

dialysis for quite a while already.

If your son is weak after dialysis, first of course, you should discuss that

with the nephrologist. They may be aiming for a dry weight that is too low,

or they may be taking off too much potassium, or bicarbonate might be set

too high for him (it took at least 3 months after I started to get all that

sorted out, and even longer to settle on the right amount of blood pressure

medication). If all of those are Ok, you have to be sure that in between

treatments, he is eating enough potassium and enough meat protein, and also

drinking up to his limit. After dialysis, it doesn't hurt to have a drink

and eat something. Myself, and just about everyone I know does this.

Sometimes blood sugar is a bit low too.

I understand your concerns Deborah, since I've been through this myself, but

you have to be patient. Give it a few more weeks. It often takes 6 months

before a new patient really starts feeling better on dialysis. It does get

better.

Pierre

On hemodialysis since October 2002

Hemo Dialysis at home

Does anyone do Hemo Dialysis at home with a big kidney machine like in a

dialysis center? We want to do this with our 17yos or ds and I do. Dh says

NO, but his input is neither here nor there. Do you think insurance would

pay for or can you rent the hemo dialysis like a CPAP machines for maybe

less than 6 months. Our only other child and son who is 27 is going to be

tested to be a donor. Ds has been on HD at a hosptial or clinic since Dec

24, 3 days a week for 3 and a half hours a tx with hooking and unhooking

over 4 hours. He is weak after each tx and today it was mentioned to his

father and I that they might need to go on 4 hours or more.

Deborah Bowman/tn *Ü*

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Hi Pierre,

Don't know about the US but in the UK it's very rare to fund home hemodialysis

-because of it's unusual nature, I'm usually the one who has to find the cash

and it's usually reserved for young children for most of the requests I've been

involved in - not sure how it works in the IS with the commercial aspect to

healthcare!

Dave

Hemo Dialysis at home

Does anyone do Hemo Dialysis at home with a big kidney machine like in a

dialysis center? We want to do this with our 17yos or ds and I do. Dh says

NO, but his input is neither here nor there. Do you think insurance would

pay for or can you rent the hemo dialysis like a CPAP machines for maybe

less than 6 months. Our only other child and son who is 27 is going to be

tested to be a donor. Ds has been on HD at a hosptial or clinic since Dec

24, 3 days a week for 3 and a half hours a tx with hooking and unhooking

over 4 hours. He is weak after each tx and today it was mentioned to his

father and I that they might need to go on 4 hours or more.

Deborah Bowman/tn *Ü*

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Dave,

I'll tell you how it works in the US. It is damned expensive for the tax

payers. When you go on Dialysis, you go on government insurance. Just because

it is picked up by the Gov. doesn't mean that the cost is negotiated down. Our

Gov. is so stupid about those things. Whe we started medic aid for seniors here

in the States, the government didn't negotiate costs, so since then (the late

60's) the costs of medical treatments have gone out of the roof!!! But, you

can't find better or more access anywhere in the world either. Oh, well, I

guess it is a trade off. I understand that my transplant costed somewhere

around $150,000.00. I'm glad thati had good insurance since I hadn't gone on

dialysis and so Medicare didn't pay for a dime.

Hemo Dialysis at home

Does anyone do Hemo Dialysis at home with a big kidney machine like in a

dialysis center? We want to do this with our 17yos or ds and I do. Dh says

NO, but his input is neither here nor there. Do you think insurance would

pay for or can you rent the hemo dialysis like a CPAP machines for maybe

less than 6 months. Our only other child and son who is 27 is going to be

tested to be a donor. Ds has been on HD at a hosptial or clinic since Dec

24, 3 days a week for 3 and a half hours a tx with hooking and unhooking

over 4 hours. He is weak after each tx and today it was mentioned to his

father and I that they might need to go on 4 hours or more.

Deborah Bowman/tn *Ü*

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Dave,

I'll tell you how it works in the US. It is damned expensive for the tax

payers. When you go on Dialysis, you go on government insurance. Just because

it is picked up by the Gov. doesn't mean that the cost is negotiated down. Our

Gov. is so stupid about those things. Whe we started medic aid for seniors here

in the States, the government didn't negotiate costs, so since then (the late

60's) the costs of medical treatments have gone out of the roof!!! But, you

can't find better or more access anywhere in the world either. Oh, well, I

guess it is a trade off. I understand that my transplant costed somewhere

around $150,000.00. I'm glad thati had good insurance since I hadn't gone on

dialysis and so Medicare didn't pay for a dime.

Hemo Dialysis at home

Does anyone do Hemo Dialysis at home with a big kidney machine like in a

dialysis center? We want to do this with our 17yos or ds and I do. Dh says

NO, but his input is neither here nor there. Do you think insurance would

pay for or can you rent the hemo dialysis like a CPAP machines for maybe

less than 6 months. Our only other child and son who is 27 is going to be

tested to be a donor. Ds has been on HD at a hosptial or clinic since Dec

24, 3 days a week for 3 and a half hours a tx with hooking and unhooking

over 4 hours. He is weak after each tx and today it was mentioned to his

father and I that they might need to go on 4 hours or more.

Deborah Bowman/tn *Ü*

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Hi Dave,

There is very limited availability of it in Canada. It's just too costly. In

the city where I live, the nation's capital, I think there are 30 or so home

hemodialysis patients, but it's considered a pilot project. They hope to get

government funding on the basis that daily nocturnal home hemo may be better

overall than the 3x week variety, but I don't think things are moving in

that direction right now.

Pierre

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Hi Pierre,

Don't know about the US but in the UK it's very rare to fund home

hemodialysis -because of it's unusual nature, I'm usually the one who has to

find the cash and it's usually reserved for young children for most of the

requests I've been involved in - not sure how it works in the IS with the

commercial aspect to healthcare!

Dave

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Trade offs are everything aren't they? In UK virtually all out healthcare is

funded from taxes but that has downside too. If you have a non-urgent procedure

then it's a long wait. Also, the NHS is currently going through a a pay

modernisation process so it doesn't have enough money to pay the doctors cause

they're all expecting a $35,000 a year rise!!! ho hum - NHS accountants have

loadsa stress :o/

Dave

Hemo Dialysis at home

Does anyone do Hemo Dialysis at home with a big kidney machine like in a

dialysis center? We want to do this with our 17yos or ds and I do. Dh

says

NO, but his input is neither here nor there. Do you think insurance would

pay for or can you rent the hemo dialysis like a CPAP machines for maybe

less than 6 months. Our only other child and son who is 27 is going to be

tested to be a donor. Ds has been on HD at a hosptial or clinic since Dec

24, 3 days a week for 3 and a half hours a tx with hooking and unhooking

over 4 hours. He is weak after each tx and today it was mentioned to his

father and I that they might need to go on 4 hours or more.

Deborah Bowman/tn *Ü*

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Trade offs are everything aren't they? In UK virtually all out healthcare is

funded from taxes but that has downside too. If you have a non-urgent procedure

then it's a long wait. Also, the NHS is currently going through a a pay

modernisation process so it doesn't have enough money to pay the doctors cause

they're all expecting a $35,000 a year rise!!! ho hum - NHS accountants have

loadsa stress :o/

Dave

Hemo Dialysis at home

Does anyone do Hemo Dialysis at home with a big kidney machine like in a

dialysis center? We want to do this with our 17yos or ds and I do. Dh

says

NO, but his input is neither here nor there. Do you think insurance would

pay for or can you rent the hemo dialysis like a CPAP machines for maybe

less than 6 months. Our only other child and son who is 27 is going to be

tested to be a donor. Ds has been on HD at a hosptial or clinic since Dec

24, 3 days a week for 3 and a half hours a tx with hooking and unhooking

over 4 hours. He is weak after each tx and today it was mentioned to his

father and I that they might need to go on 4 hours or more.

Deborah Bowman/tn *Ü*

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home page:

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iga-nephropathy-unsubscribe

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by donations. If you would like to help, go to:

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Yeah same here Peirre - there's not even a pilot although we are moving dialysis

out to more remote areas to stop people having to travel but the need is so

variable around the area it's very costly!

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Hi Pierre,

Don't know about the US but in the UK it's very rare to fund home

hemodialysis -because of it's unusual nature, I'm usually the one who has to

find the cash and it's usually reserved for young children for most of the

requests I've been involved in - not sure how it works in the IS with the

commercial aspect to healthcare!

Dave

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Hi All,

We are just starting a home hemodialysis training program in our

clinic; I am not directly involved because the home program is not

my area of responsibility; incenter hemo is. However, I know that

we are the first facility in Northwest PA to start such a program;

the closest one is at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center.

So we are quite excited to be on the " cutting edge " in our neck of

the woods, which is quite rural. Our first patient has learned to

put his needles in and set up his machine; we are designing our

program to be minimally dependent on a " partner " but one can assist

if desired. We are starting our first patient on nocturnal home

hemo, but a plan is in the works to get a special machine

manufactured by AKSYS to do daily short hemo as well. (the

nocturnal will be 8 hour treatments 3 nights per week on a Gambro C3

machine; the daily will be 2.5-3 hour) I am not aware of any

insurance issues at this time, but I am not saying they won't come

up. If I get any information that would be useful to the group as a

whole regarding insurance, I will be glad to share. Since several

of you gave me a warm welcome, I thought I would share this story

with you; it seems that home hemo is gaining popularity again. We

also have an incenter nocturnal program that runs 2 nights per week;

8 hour treatments, and we have little difficulty keeping it full.

Take care,

Stacey

> Yeah same here Peirre - there's not even a pilot although we are

moving dialysis out to more remote areas to stop people having to

travel but the need is so variable around the area it's very costly!

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>

>

> Hi Pierre,

>

> Don't know about the US but in the UK it's very rare to fund home

> hemodialysis -because of it's unusual nature, I'm usually the

one who has to

> find the cash and it's usually reserved for young children for

most of the

> requests I've been involved in - not sure how it works in the IS

with the

> commercial aspect to healthcare!

>

> Dave

>

>

>

> To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group

> home page:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/

>

> To unsubcribe via email,

> iga-nephropathy-unsubscribe

> Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca. The site is entirely

supported by donations. If you would like to help, go to:

> http://www.igan.ca/id62.htm

>

> Thank you

>

>

>

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