RE: Forcing Blood Sugars Down

July 12, 2008

I think you are t1, so I'll respond accordingly.

When your bg is high, the number one, quintessential thing to remember is, get

it down! the need to do this was first seen in the well known study from the

early 90s I think it was, which was a 10-year study, and the results were so

dramatic, they started advising participants well before the 10 years had passed

to reduce their blood sugars.

Now, having said this, to answer your question: You need to take short acting

insulin such as Humalog, and/or exercise. If your bg is higher than 240

however, exercise is not recommended. Fortunately, both of these are generally

very affective, so you can usually get high bg's down pretty quickly. You don't

want to eat anything necessarily, however, if you do, just adjust your insulin

to accommodate the food, plus the high bg. Trial and error is how you will know

how much this is, because all of us are different.

Incidentally, if you are 165 in the mornings on a regular basis, this is

probably a little too high. Are you on a basil insulin such as Lantus? A dose

of this at bedtime has worked for me, although it took me a while to find the

right dosage.

Dave

Forcing Blood Sugars Down

I'm sure this has been gone over, but I seem not to get things until they

are pounded into my head. It isn't that my head is hard, but just the shell

around it; I am actually a mush brain -- just ask my kids...

Anyway, without using insulin, etc., what is the best way of treating or

dealing with high blood sugar. Yeh, I brought it on myself yesterday and

tested this morning at 265. It is not unusual for me to be 165 or so in the

morning, so that is just 100 points higher.

Is there a way to bring that down? Would you eat normally during the

process of reducing it?

Thanks for ideas!

July 12, 2008

Hi , you don't say whether you have type 1 or type 2. It depends on whether

you are currently Type 2, controlling by diet, meds (i.e. are you on metformin?)

or insulin, or if you are Type 1, controlling with a combination of short and

long term insulins (for example, Humalog and Lantus). Before we can really get

a handle of what might be going on, we need to get a better picture of what you

are doing.

July 12, 2008

,

You didn't state if you're type 1 or 2 nor did you tell us what meds you are

on. Either way, a morning sugar of 165 is way too high. In my opinion, you

should have it below 100. As a type 2, I can tell you that you can make or

break your day depending on that morning sugar. If my sugar is, say, 78 in

the morning, which is typical for me, generally my day will be a good one if

I adhere to my normal diet. However, if I blew it the day before and read a

sugar of say 116, I know my day is going to be challenging to get back in

line. I don't use insulin so I don't have that to help me fall back in line

and must exercise more to get the sugar to come back down. Then if it's a

warm or hot day the sugar will come down easier than it would on a cold day.

Sustaining high sugars is very dangerous so you want to do everything you

can to keep that number down. Starting out with 165 on a regular basis will

likely lead to other problems that you really don't want to endure, so do

what you can now to get that number lowered, and keep it that way during

your entire day, as much as you can.

Others here on the list who are type 1 can tell you more about how to dose

with insulin. I can only tell you how I handle this as a type 2.

Do what you can now to keep that sugar level down and eventually it will

become habit. And you'll be a lot healthier for it.

Bill Powers

July 12, 2008

Oh my gosh ,

I remember you are a type 2 diabetic, but even at that 165 is high for

fasting. Everything i've read says to keep it below 90 for mornings to

prevent heart trouble. Mine isn't as good as Bill's but I'm usually between

90 and 105. Have you talked to your doctor about going on a long lasting

insulin? What meds are you currently on?

_____

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of S

Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:10 AM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: Forcing Blood Sugars Down

I'm sure this has been gone over, but I seem not to get things until they

are pounded into my head. It isn't that my head is hard, but just the shell

around it; I am actually a mush brain -- just ask my kids...

Anyway, without using insulin, etc., what is the best way of treating or

dealing with high blood sugar. Yeh, I brought it on myself yesterday and

tested this morning at 265. It is not unusual for me to be 165 or so in the

morning, so that is just 100 points higher.

Is there a way to bring that down? Would you eat normally during the

process of reducing it?

Thanks for ideas!

July 12, 2008

You need to immediately consult your physician and ask him to prescribe Lantus,

the long-acting insulin, which stays in your system for around 24 hours. You

need to read the messages and do the experiments as suggested to see if you also

need to be taking long-acting insulin and also shkort-acting insulin. A fasting

blood sugar of 165 is way too high. You are headed for trouble very soon, if

you do not take corrective action regarding glucose level control and

management.

I will post the message titled should you be taking insulin? once again.

This time read it and follow the instructions.

Forcing Blood Sugars Down

I'm sure this has been gone over, but I seem not to get things until they

are pounded into my head. It isn't that my head is hard, but just the shell

around it; I am actually a mush brain -- just ask my kids...

Anyway, without using insulin, etc., what is the best way of treating or

dealing with high blood sugar. Yeh, I brought it on myself yesterday and

tested this morning at 265. It is not unusual for me to be 165 or so in the

morning, so that is just 100 points higher.

Is there a way to bring that down? Would you eat normally during the

process of reducing it?

Thanks for ideas!

July 12, 2008

Dave, thanks. I'm sorry, I wasn't clear.

I am Type II. That's why I said without using insulin. I use oral meds,

but not injections. That is something I have thought about, but honestly I

still haven't given good diet and proper exercise enough of a chance to see

how well I can do. I mean not consistently. For instance, I know I can eat

vegan, no animal products at all, and consume lots of rice and beans,

norally very bad for my BS readings, and do quite well. But, as I say,

consistency is my downfall.

I do believe I have that dawn phenominon. If I check my BS a few hours

after sleeping, I am in a good range, but if I check it after a full night

of sleep it is always out of range from 140 to 175.

July 12, 2008

Dave, thanks. I'm sorry, I wasn't clear.

I am Type II. That's why I said without using insulin. I use oral meds,

but not injections. That is something I have thought about, but honestly I

still haven't given good diet and proper exercise enough of a chance to see

how well I can do. I mean not consistently. For instance, I know I can eat

vegan, no animal products at all, and consume lots of rice and beans,

norally very bad for my BS readings, and do quite well. But, as I say,

consistency is my downfall.

I do believe I have that dawn phenominon. If I check my BS a few hours

after sleeping, I am in a good range, but if I check it after a full night

of sleep it is always out of range from 140 to 175.

July 12, 2008

I would also recommend you read the message titled psychological resistance. I

will also forward it to the list again.

Forcing Blood Sugars Down

I'm sure this has been gone over, but I seem not to get things until they

are pounded into my head. It isn't that my head is hard, but just the shell

around it; I am actually a mush brain -- just ask my kids...

Anyway, without using insulin, etc., what is the best way of treating or

dealing with high blood sugar. Yeh, I brought it on myself yesterday and

tested this morning at 265. It is not unusual for me to be 165 or so in the

morning, so that is just 100 points higher.

Is there a way to bring that down? Would you eat normally during the

process of reducing it?

Thanks for ideas!

July 12, 2008

Get on insulin therapy now! Both kinds of insulin, long-acting and

short-acting. Become a carb counting expert, and you can prevent or delay any

diabetic complications that are headed your way.

Forcing Blood Sugars Down

I'm sure this has been gone over, but I seem not to get things until they

are pounded into my head. It isn't that my head is hard, but just the shell

around it; I am actually a mush brain -- just ask my kids...

Anyway, without using insulin, etc., what is the best way of treating or

dealing with high blood sugar. Yeh, I brought it on myself yesterday and

tested this morning at 265. It is not unusual for me to be 165 or so in the

morning, so that is just 100 points higher.

Is there a way to bring that down? Would you eat normally during the

process of reducing it?

Thanks for ideas!

July 12, 2008

From what others have said on here, I would think about 30 minutes of

aerobic exercise would be the best way to bring it down fast.

Becky

_____

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of S

Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 8:10 AM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: Forcing Blood Sugars Down

I'm sure this has been gone over, but I seem not to get things until they

are pounded into my head. It isn't that my head is hard, but just the shell

around it; I am actually a mush brain -- just ask my kids...

Anyway, without using insulin, etc., what is the best way of treating or

dealing with high blood sugar. Yeh, I brought it on myself yesterday and

tested this morning at 265. It is not unusual for me to be 165 or so in the

morning, so that is just 100 points higher.

Is there a way to bring that down? Would you eat normally during the

process of reducing it?

Thanks for ideas!

July 12, 2008

If his bg drops on its own later in the morning, I wonder if Lantus will do the

job alone? Perhaps in combination with better management of his diet, and more

exercise, as well as consistency, he might be able to avoid taking Humalog or

some other quick acting insulin.

Dave

Forcing Blood Sugars Down

I'm sure this has been gone over, but I seem not to get things until they

are pounded into my head. It isn't that my head is hard, but just the shell

around it; I am actually a mush brain -- just ask my kids...

Anyway, without using insulin, etc., what is the best way of treating or

dealing with high blood sugar. Yeh, I brought it on myself yesterday and

tested this morning at 265. It is not unusual for me to be 165 or so in the

morning, so that is just 100 points higher.

Is there a way to bring that down? Would you eat normally during the

process of reducing it?

Thanks for ideas!

July 12, 2008

Harry, you know that I read everything you send along. As often as I have

given you a hard time, you should know that. And, I certainly do appreciate

all the great information and suggestions you provide. But, you know how it

is when things don't seem to directly impact your situation you don't absorb

them quite as much.

I have talked with my primary physician about if I should begin some sort of

insulin. She does not think it is right for me yet. Niether has the

endocrinologist, cardiologist, or nephrologist. I am proactive in my

medical care, but their overwhelming opinions seem to be now is not the

time. I really can't articulate why they don't think so, and I guess I

really should get that clear in my mind so that I can comfortably accept

their advice.

The one problem we all seem to face in trying to decide what to do is

hearing what is the optimum way to go and then living the practicalities of

living as mere mortals. Too often we are chided for not doing precisely

what we should in whatever aspect of our lives, but if we get to ask, we

find the ones doing the scolding don't do anything close to what they

preach. It is always much more appreciated and easier to pay attention when

the ones doing the teaching practice what they are preaching. Fifty percent

may not be the best and may not work over the longest period of time, but if

it is the closest most of us can get, than it really is the best, so

teaching more than that is really to teach nothing much at all.

Thanks to everyone for your good information.

July 12, 2008