RE: Is there such a thing as a boomerang effect for type 2's?

[Guest guest]

Bill,

For t2 diabetics, whose bodies still produce insulin, my guess is the pasta (and

other similar high density carbohydrates) induced the pancreas to over-react

resulting in a low for you. I'm no expert, and hopefully others will offer some

support for this idea, or a better explanation.

Dave

When Satan comes knocking on your door, you better let God answer the door!

Is there such a thing as a " boomerang " effect for

type 2's?

I ask the above question because I've had 2-3 experiences in the last year

where I've eaten an Italian dinner (early enough in the afternoon rather

than later in the evening). Normally, when I eat something I expect the

sugar to go up a little and then come back down to normal within about 3

hours. Of course with italian food the BS level does go higher, but still, I

should expect it to come back down. However, for the third time in about a

year or so, I've noticed that several hours after eating an italian meal, I

actually wind up with a low. The other night it went down to 57 requiring me

to take a sugar pill to step it back up. Fortunately, 57 isn't fatal but

last year I had a similar episode going down to 41. This begs the question,

is there such a thing as a kind of boomerang phenomenon when you eat

something that gives a big spike only to overshoot on the way down? I know

we have to contend with the Dawn phenomenon, which is the elevation of

sugars during the early morning hours, but I now have to wonder what is at

play when the sugar level swings reciprocally the other way after it comes

down? Your thoughts?

Thanks,

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Bill,

You are no the only one (type 2) who has reported this. I believe that

since you are still making some insulin, when your panacreas gets hit with

the higher than normal amount of glucose due toeating too much carb, the

beta cells oveer produce insulin giving you a low. As I said, I have had

other type 2's report this to me as well.

Is there such a thing as a " boomerang " effect for

type 2's?

I ask the above question because I've had 2-3 experiences in the last year

where I've eaten an Italian dinner (early enough in the afternoon rather

than later in the evening). Normally, when I eat something I expect the

sugar to go up a little and then come back down to normal within about 3

hours. Of course with italian food the BS level does go higher, but still, I

should expect it to come back down. However, for the third time in about a

year or so, I've noticed that several hours after eating an italian meal, I

actually wind up with a low. The other night it went down to 57 requiring me

to take a sugar pill to step it back up. Fortunately, 57 isn't fatal but

last year I had a similar episode going down to 41. This begs the question,

is there such a thing as a kind of boomerang phenomenon when you eat

something that gives a big spike only to overshoot on the way down? I know

we have to contend with the Dawn phenomenon, which is the elevation of

sugars during the early morning hours, but I now have to wonder what is at

play when the sugar level swings reciprocally the other way after it comes

down? Your thoughts?

Thanks,

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

This phenomenon is called " reactive hypoglycemia " when it occurs in people

without diabetes. The pancreas overreacts and releases too much insulin when

high-carb meals are eaten. I believe people with type 2 diabetes can also

experience it, since they are still producing insulin.

Jen

[Guest guest]

I know for a fact this does happen. I'm a type 2 and still only take

medicine and control my sugar with diet and exercise. Well I'm no different then

most diabetics who from time to time fall off the wagon and eat way to much of

what we know will mess us up. This feeling is really bad and not much to do

about it except let it run his course. I say every time I will never do it

again, but like the one who had a real bad hang over, I go right back and later

down the road do it all over again. Nothing is as bad as your sugar dropping

really to low after eating a high carb meal. Sleepy and drunk feeling is how it

makes me feel. Kind of like in a fog for about 2 hours. Drink water, try to walk

or some kind of exercise, don't eat and Prayer always helps. You would think we

would learn after a few times of this, but I suppose we have hard heads and

quickly for get the last time we felt the lows and think it won't happen like

that again.

RE: Is there such a thing as a " boomerang " effect

for type 2's?

This phenomenon is called " reactive hypoglycemia " when it occurs in people

without diabetes. The pancreas overreacts and releases too much insulin when

high-carb meals are eaten. I believe people with type 2 diabetes can also

experience it, since they are still producing insulin.

Jen

[Guest guest]

In my 42 years of being a type 1, insulin dependent, diabetic, I've managed to

learn that " falling off the wagon " is something that happens. I dare say there

is no diabetic that can maintain 100% discipline. This is not to say we should

throw discipline to the wind! But, I know for me, I enjoy a " break " on a daily

basis, and putting it into percentages, I might suggest that striving for 95-98%

discipline and allowing for some " wiggle " room is probably an okay thing.

The important thing is to eat nutritional foods for that 95-98% window. And it's

likely that some diabetics need to strive for 99%, knowing that anything less

will result in a total collapse. In the end though, as I said, no one can

maintain a perfect record, and if you think you can, I think you'll die young

trying to do the impossible, and not from your diabetes.

Dave

When Satan comes knocking on your door, you better let God answer the door!

RE: Is there such a thing as a " boomerang " effect

for type 2's?

This phenomenon is called " reactive hypoglycemia " when it occurs in people

without diabetes. The pancreas overreacts and releases too much insulin when

high-carb meals are eaten. I believe people with type 2 diabetes can also

experience it, since they are still producing insulin.

Jen

[Guest guest]

Actually, for me the feeling was more like I was falling into a deep pit of

sorts, wondering if I was going to keep dropping or if things would plateau

and turn around. I had to concentrate to think about checking my sugar to

verify what was happening, to find that 57 low. I figured that the best

thing to do was use a sugar pill to get the sugar to turn around and then

lay down and see if in 15 minutes what I would feel like. At least the sugar

started to come back up and the cold/numb feeling I had was subsiding. Not a

pleasant feeling, but not a feeling like being drunk either. In a fog, yes.

At least I knew I was right that it was a low and not a " high. "

Bill

[Guest guest]

Dave,

Well put. I don't think any of us will ever hit anything close to 95%

compliance with our diabetic needs. The thing I try to concentrate on is

knowing that with each meal comes a price. What am I willing to pay if I go

" off the wagon " ? I don't do it very often, otherwise my A-1-C would reflect

that to be sure, but what I do find is that knowing what to expect and how

to deal with it is most important. I know, for example, what that low feels

like. My mom, on the other hand, doesn't. When she gets messed up she

doesn't know if it's a high or a low sugar, and unless Dad is there to take

her sugar she won't know - she won't learn to do it herself because " she

can't see. " (She just won't try to do anything herself.) One thing that is

interesting to me in talking to other diabetics, is that some who wind up

with sugars in the 60s get so fogged in they can't tell themselves what they

need to do to get out of it, which is dangerous. I'm fortunate so far that

with even a low of 41, I've managed to fight my way back up. Not something I

want to keep revisiting, but good to know how to save myself. That said, I

think it's good if each of us, knowing there will be times we don't comply

with our dietary restrictions, learn what we need to do and prepare for it

ahead of time. Type 1's obviously have a different set of circumstances than

we type 2's, but still, we need to figure out what to do and not wait until

we're in a low to know. Does this make sense?

Bill

[Guest guest]

Well put Dave-from a person who has been diabetic for 65 years!

Re: Is there such a thing as a " boomerang " effect

for type 2's?

In my 42 years of being a type 1, insulin dependent, diabetic, I've managed

to learn that " falling off the wagon " is something that happens. I dare say

there is no diabetic that can maintain 100% discipline. This is not to say

we should throw discipline to the wind! But, I know for me, I enjoy a

" break " on a daily basis, and putting it into percentages, I might suggest

that striving for 95-98% discipline and allowing for some " wiggle " room is

probably an okay thing.

The important thing is to eat nutritional foods for that 95-98% window. And

it's likely that some diabetics need to strive for 99%, knowing that

anything less will result in a total collapse. In the end though, as I said,

no one can maintain a perfect record, and if you think you can, I think

you'll die young trying to do the impossible, and not from your diabetes.

Dave

When Satan comes knocking on your door, you better let God answer the door!

RE: Is there such a thing as a " boomerang " effect

for type 2's?

This phenomenon is called " reactive hypoglycemia " when it occurs in people

without diabetes. The pancreas overreacts and releases too much insulin when

high-carb meals are eaten. I believe people with type 2 diabetes can also

experience it, since they are still producing insulin.

Jen