Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

[Guest guest]

Zyto's read items by the energy the items emit. Everything living and dead has an energy signature that is unique to it. I have had great results with using energized medicine, and therefore, I am very intrigued. Zytos, and machines like them, send an energy signal to your body and then measure your reaction. These energy machines have been in use for a very long time, but before the Internet, word just didn't travel much about them. I don't understand how I can send an email and a split second later, it appears halfway across the world. I don't understand how I can talk on the telephone or computer and it instantaneously is heard halfway across the world. I use these things because someone showed me how. With the Zyto, I had one done because many parents were saying they liked it. I loved it myself. I do know that many different companies' products have had their energy signature uploaded for the practitioner to choose from. Reading the Zyto report is amazing. I learned a great deal, and was able to get insight into the problems that needed addressing. It's not just the recommended products, but also the areas of concern that is points out that can really help, especially when one has had slow improvements. I think if anyone is unhappy with their Zyto, they should ask to view the report and have the practitioner help them read the areas of interest, so that they can learn what it says and have the option of getting back-up testing done in these areas of interest, by their MD.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

[Guest guest]

Zyto's read items by the energy the items emit. Everything living and dead has an energy signature that is unique to it. I have had great results with using energized medicine, and therefore, I am very intrigued. Zytos, and machines like them, send an energy signal to your body and then measure your reaction. These energy machines have been in use for a very long time, but before the Internet, word just didn't travel much about them. I don't understand how I can send an email and a split second later, it appears halfway across the world. I don't understand how I can talk on the telephone or computer and it instantaneously is heard halfway across the world. I use these things because someone showed me how. With the Zyto, I had one done because many parents were saying they liked it. I loved it myself. I do know that many different companies' products have had their energy signature uploaded for the practitioner to choose from. Reading the Zyto report is amazing. I learned a great deal, and was able to get insight into the problems that needed addressing. It's not just the recommended products, but also the areas of concern that is points out that can really help, especially when one has had slow improvements. I think if anyone is unhappy with their Zyto, they should ask to view the report and have the practitioner help them read the areas of interest, so that they can learn what it says and have the option of getting back-up testing done in these areas of interest, by their MD.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

[Guest guest]

I think that sometimes when you believe in something, there is a change in you

that your child notices and responds to positively. I think that is why the

Son-Rise program works for some people and ABA for others.

If you can't believe in it it is unlikely to cause a positive change. Zyto is

something I can't convince myself would work, therefore it won't for my kid.

Also it is a lot of money. I would feel guilty and taken advantage of and he

would react to that. I'm like Eve after she bit into the apple. Jaded.

Jen

>

> In regards to the Zyto discussion...it sounds similar to a test that

> was done at our DAN!'s office recently. She called it a " Balance "

> test. But it has to be essentially the same thing. There was a

> cradle that looked sort of like a large computer mouse with a place

> for each finger to be placed. And the way it was explained to me was

> that the manufacturer determined the " energy " of a certain item that

> was being tested. For instance potatoes. The computer would send the

> frequency that they somehow associated with potatoes (or whatever else

> they are testing for) to my child's body and then read the response

> that my child's energy field produced. So, if my child's response

> energy rejected the energy that is supposed to be representing

> potatoes, then it was interpreted that my child should probably stay

> away from potatoes. To be quite honest with you, I felt like a

> complete idiot for actually paying to have this test done...especially

> after I came home and explained it to my husband. In my opinion,

> there are a lot of problems with this type of test. First of all, how

> do they go about assigning a certain " energy " to a substance to begin

> with? How do they know what the " frequency " of corn, or potatoes, or

> anything else is? Also, when it was reading my child's energy

> response to certain substances, he was screaming pretty much the

> entire time. How could that even be accurate? But I suppose the

> biggest problem that I had with the whole concept is that after the

> test was finished the software makes recommendations for supplements

> that are all produced by the same company...the same company that

> produces the software! Seems like a conflict of interest to me.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]



even when I am not hear daily I still get all the emails and read them all and catch up and respond. WHO are these people who have tested and compaired to blood,. the only reference that was given was LIA and I read up on their stuff and it was not on there that is was lined up to blood testing, rather just lined up to like 89% of what dr's would recommend based on discribed syptoms which means telling someone what is going on with you would still be more accurate them using this machine. and that is with out medical testing!

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember reading Heidi N. has used Zyto and has also said it's very accurate. > >> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > > > > Rose> >>

[Guest guest]

I would suggest you get your daughter on SSI,like I am.My office calls,all of my tests,and what we can get by an Rx is all covered by Medicaid.and everybody knows who I see...

From: Christel King <christelking1@ myfairpoint. net>Subject: Re: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 9:31 AM

again accurate compaired to what???? we can all do the same thing this thing is claiming to do! we do it daily! talking about our kids symptoms and going from there with what it means, you dont need some dr to do this and pay money!

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember reading Heidi N. has used Zyto and has also said it's very accurate. > >> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking

this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > > > > Rose> >>

[Guest guest]

I would suggest you get your daughter on SSI,like I am.My office calls,all of my tests,and what we can get by an Rx is all covered by Medicaid.and everybody knows who I see...

From: Christel King <christelking1@ myfairpoint. net>Subject: Re: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 9:31 AM

again accurate compaired to what???? we can all do the same thing this thing is claiming to do! we do it daily! talking about our kids symptoms and going from there with what it means, you dont need some dr to do this and pay money!

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember reading Heidi N. has used Zyto and has also said it's very accurate. > >> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking

this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > > > > Rose> >>

[Guest guest]

What is SSI?

 

I would suggest you get your daughter on SSI,like I am.My office calls,all of my tests,and what we can get by an Rx is all covered by Medicaid.and everybody knows who I see...

 

                                               

From: Christel King <christelking1@ myfairpoint. net>Subject: Re: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 9:31 AM

 

again accurate compaired to what????  we can all do the same thing this thing is claiming to do!  we do it daily!  talking about our kids symptoms and going from there with what it means, you dont need some dr to do this and pay money!

 

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember reading Heidi N. has used Zyto and has also said it's very accurate. > >> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.

> > > > > > Rose> >>

-- ThanksKoteshPh:

[Guest guest]

What is SSI?

 

I would suggest you get your daughter on SSI,like I am.My office calls,all of my tests,and what we can get by an Rx is all covered by Medicaid.and everybody knows who I see...

 

                                               

From: Christel King <christelking1@ myfairpoint. net>Subject: Re: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 9:31 AM

 

again accurate compaired to what????  we can all do the same thing this thing is claiming to do!  we do it daily!  talking about our kids symptoms and going from there with what it means, you dont need some dr to do this and pay money!

 

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember reading Heidi N. has used Zyto and has also said it's very accurate. > >> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.

> > > > > > Rose> >>

-- ThanksKoteshPh:

[Guest guest]

Our DAN does not do Zyto but she has had it done to her about 5 times and she's said it's been spot on every time. I have no first hand knowledge of the cradle but I've heard nothing but positives and that it is accurate when put up against labs being pulled at the same time. My DAN has nothing to gain by telling me that it's been accurate for her every time because she doesn't do it.

Cheryl~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~@midian42~

again accurate compaired to what???? we can all do the same thing this thing is claiming to do! we do it daily! talking about our kids symptoms and going from there with what it means, you dont need some dr to do this and pay money!

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember reading Heidi N. has used Zyto and has also said it's very accurate. > >> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > > > > Rose> >>

[Guest guest]

Our DAN does not do Zyto but she has had it done to her about 5 times and she's said it's been spot on every time. I have no first hand knowledge of the cradle but I've heard nothing but positives and that it is accurate when put up against labs being pulled at the same time. My DAN has nothing to gain by telling me that it's been accurate for her every time because she doesn't do it.

Cheryl~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~@midian42~

again accurate compaired to what???? we can all do the same thing this thing is claiming to do! we do it daily! talking about our kids symptoms and going from there with what it means, you dont need some dr to do this and pay money!

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember reading Heidi N. has used Zyto and has also said it's very accurate. > >> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > > > > Rose> >>

[Guest guest]

Social Security Disability

From: Christel King <christelking1@ myfairpoint. net>Subject: Re: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 9:31 AM

again accurate compaired to what???? we can all do the same thing this thing is claiming to do! we do it daily! talking about our kids symptoms and going from there with what it means, you dont need some dr to do this and pay money!

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember reading Heidi N. has used Zyto and has also said it's very accurate. > >> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > > > > Rose> >>

-- ThanksKoteshPh:

[Guest guest]

Social Security Disability

From: Christel King <christelking1@ myfairpoint. net>Subject: Re: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 9:31 AM

again accurate compaired to what???? we can all do the same thing this thing is claiming to do! we do it daily! talking about our kids symptoms and going from there with what it means, you dont need some dr to do this and pay money!

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember reading Heidi N. has used Zyto and has also said it's very accurate. > >> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > > > > Rose> >>

-- ThanksKoteshPh:

[Guest guest]

social security income ( disability pay) which our kids can qualify for monthly to help cover the costs

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember reading Heidi N. has used Zyto and has also said it's very accurate. > >> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > > > > Rose> >>

-- ThanksKoteshPh:

[Guest guest]

social security income ( disability pay) which our kids can qualify for monthly to help cover the costs

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember reading Heidi N. has used Zyto and has also said it's very accurate. > >> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > > > > Rose> >>

-- ThanksKoteshPh:

[Guest guest]

social security income ( disability pay) which our kids can qualify for monthly to help cover the costs

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember reading Heidi N. has used Zyto and has also said it's very accurate. > >> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > > > > Rose> >>

-- ThanksKoteshPh:

[Guest guest]

Have you tried OSR(oxidative stress

relief) by Dr. Boyd Haley??? What you are describing is what my son used to

do and all these symptoms have disappeared with OSR, we saw results the very

first day, my son is 20yrs. Old and like you , we did it all and still are

amazed at our results.. it can be ordered direct from Biopure Healing

Products.. if you have tried everything, I would give it a try.. good luck…

Corinne

From:

mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Rose Rudolph

Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009

3:46 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re:

Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Oh Liz, where to start! He's very severely autistic, screams all

day, chewed off all his finger nails, ground down his entire first set of

teeth, he once got a 3rd degree burn from a grill and didn't even feel it!

and to top it off we've spent tens of thousands of dollars and he

didn't respond to anything!!!!!!!!

No improvements ........NONE!

He didn't resond to chelation, IVIG, hyperbarics, intense diets, sauna

therapy, you name it, we've tried it and got nowhere!

Do you have any ideas as to why he never responded?

Rose

From: Liz

<elizabethsoliday>

To: mb12 valtrex

Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009

11:52:14 AM

Subject: Re: Anyone

a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Rose, If you don't mind me asking, what are your

child's symptoms? What keeps him from learning/functionin g in school or at

home?

>

> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking

this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always

said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive,

just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his

to no avail.

>

>

> Rose

>

[Guest guest]

We saw Dr. Buttar for over 2 years - saw him once and never again - always given

new expensive treatments every visit as his protocol was being tweaked - saw

little progress - never did the IV's - didn't feel like we were given good

explanations on why we were doing some things. Very expensive and not satisfied

with level of care so we left his practice.

My son is 12 and he continues to progress very very slowly!

FWIW,

Becky

>

> My son was a patient of Dr Butttar's about 2.5 yrs ago.  We traveled from MA

to NC to see him for 8 IV's trips.  My son made some minor progress but the

expense and travel prevented us from continuing with him. I also did not like

that I never saw Dr Buttar but dealt with his long time nurse.

>

> We continured IV chelation w/ our DAN doc in MA and have now done over 100

IV's of DMPS/EDTA/GSH/NAC/Vit C and phoschol.  My son continues to improve but

not at the speed we would like.  We recently started the biofilm protocol and

use enzymes and oral disodium EDTA rto brak up the biofilm. WE follow that with

penicillin to kill his strep, valtrex to kill the chicken pox and diflucan for

yeast.  We then follow up with citrus pectin, charcoal and enhansa. At night we

give him a DMPS/GSH suppository.   We have chelated my 12 yr old son for over

7 yrs and I believe the metals, virus and  bacteria are stuck in the biofilm.

>

> You may want to look into the biofilm theory and see if it may help your child

before traveling and spending the $$$$ for Dr Buttar.

>

> Good luck!

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: enzymesandautism ; mb12 valtrex

> Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 9:11:40 AM

> Subject: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

>

>  

> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this

upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would

be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering

how expensive. I've tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.

>

>

> Rose

>

[Guest guest]

We saw Dr. Buttar for over 2 years - saw him once and never again - always given

new expensive treatments every visit as his protocol was being tweaked - saw

little progress - never did the IV's - didn't feel like we were given good

explanations on why we were doing some things. Very expensive and not satisfied

with level of care so we left his practice.

My son is 12 and he continues to progress very very slowly!

FWIW,

Becky

>

> My son was a patient of Dr Butttar's about 2.5 yrs ago.  We traveled from MA

to NC to see him for 8 IV's trips.  My son made some minor progress but the

expense and travel prevented us from continuing with him. I also did not like

that I never saw Dr Buttar but dealt with his long time nurse.

>

> We continured IV chelation w/ our DAN doc in MA and have now done over 100

IV's of DMPS/EDTA/GSH/NAC/Vit C and phoschol.  My son continues to improve but

not at the speed we would like.  We recently started the biofilm protocol and

use enzymes and oral disodium EDTA rto brak up the biofilm. WE follow that with

penicillin to kill his strep, valtrex to kill the chicken pox and diflucan for

yeast.  We then follow up with citrus pectin, charcoal and enhansa. At night we

give him a DMPS/GSH suppository.   We have chelated my 12 yr old son for over

7 yrs and I believe the metals, virus and  bacteria are stuck in the biofilm.

>

> You may want to look into the biofilm theory and see if it may help your child

before traveling and spending the $$$$ for Dr Buttar.

>

> Good luck!

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: enzymesandautism ; mb12 valtrex

> Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 9:11:40 AM

> Subject: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

>

>  

> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this

upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would

be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering

how expensive. I've tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.

>

>

> Rose

>

[Guest guest]

We saw Dr. Buttar for over 2 years - saw him once and never again - always given

new expensive treatments every visit as his protocol was being tweaked - saw

little progress - never did the IV's - didn't feel like we were given good

explanations on why we were doing some things. Very expensive and not satisfied

with level of care so we left his practice.

My son is 12 and he continues to progress very very slowly!

FWIW,

Becky

>

> My son was a patient of Dr Butttar's about 2.5 yrs ago.  We traveled from MA

to NC to see him for 8 IV's trips.  My son made some minor progress but the

expense and travel prevented us from continuing with him. I also did not like

that I never saw Dr Buttar but dealt with his long time nurse.

>

> We continured IV chelation w/ our DAN doc in MA and have now done over 100

IV's of DMPS/EDTA/GSH/NAC/Vit C and phoschol.  My son continues to improve but

not at the speed we would like.  We recently started the biofilm protocol and

use enzymes and oral disodium EDTA rto brak up the biofilm. WE follow that with

penicillin to kill his strep, valtrex to kill the chicken pox and diflucan for

yeast.  We then follow up with citrus pectin, charcoal and enhansa. At night we

give him a DMPS/GSH suppository.   We have chelated my 12 yr old son for over

7 yrs and I believe the metals, virus and  bacteria are stuck in the biofilm.

>

> You may want to look into the biofilm theory and see if it may help your child

before traveling and spending the $$$$ for Dr Buttar.

>

> Good luck!

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: enzymesandautism ; mb12 valtrex

> Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 9:11:40 AM

> Subject: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

>

>  

> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this

upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would

be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering

how expensive. I've tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.

>

>

> Rose

>

[Guest guest]

Corinne,

What dosage are you giving your 20yo? I have a big 16yo and wondering how much

to give him. We tried this before at a low dose, and I'm planning to try it

again soon.

Terri

>

> Have you tried OSR(oxidative stress relief) by Dr. Boyd Haley??? What you

> are describing is what my son used to do and all these symptoms have

> disappeared with OSR, we saw results the very first day, my son is 20yrs.

> Old and like you , we did it all and still are amazed at our results.. it

> can be ordered direct from Biopure Healing Products.. if you have tried

> everything, I would give it a try.. good luck.

>

>

>

> Corinne

>

[Guest guest]

Corinne,

What dosage are you giving your 20yo? I have a big 16yo and wondering how much

to give him. We tried this before at a low dose, and I'm planning to try it

again soon.

Terri

>

> Have you tried OSR(oxidative stress relief) by Dr. Boyd Haley??? What you

> are describing is what my son used to do and all these symptoms have

> disappeared with OSR, we saw results the very first day, my son is 20yrs.

> Old and like you , we did it all and still are amazed at our results.. it

> can be ordered direct from Biopure Healing Products.. if you have tried

> everything, I would give it a try.. good luck.

>

>

>

> Corinne

>

[Guest guest]

Corinne,

What dosage are you giving your 20yo? I have a big 16yo and wondering how much

to give him. We tried this before at a low dose, and I'm planning to try it

again soon.

Terri

>

> Have you tried OSR(oxidative stress relief) by Dr. Boyd Haley??? What you

> are describing is what my son used to do and all these symptoms have

> disappeared with OSR, we saw results the very first day, my son is 20yrs.

> Old and like you , we did it all and still are amazed at our results.. it

> can be ordered direct from Biopure Healing Products.. if you have tried

> everything, I would give it a try.. good luck.

>

>

>

> Corinne

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, I order mine from Biopure Healing Products , so it is not in a capsule but in a powder form.. it comes with a small white spoon,... I give him 2 spoons each day around 6p.m. In watching Dr. Boyd Haley he says it is better to follow the recommended instructions and to start slow, which is what we are doing.. We took him for a physical last week and our regular Dr. could not believe the improvement since last year, it was a stress free Dr;'s appointment and never has that ever happened. Please try again if possible .. Good luck and have a happy holiday..

Corinne

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of TerriMSent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:57 AMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Corinne,What dosage are you giving your 20yo? I have a big 16yo and wondering how much to give him. We tried this before at a low dose, and I'm planning to try it again soon.Terri>> Have you tried OSR(oxidative stress relief) by Dr. Boyd Haley??? What you> are describing is what my son used to do and all these symptoms have> disappeared with OSR, we saw results the very first day, my son is 20yrs.> Old and like you , we did it all and still are amazed at our results.. it> can be ordered direct from Biopure Healing Products.. if you have tried> everything, I would give it a try.. good luck.> > > > Corinne>