Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

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Another person you really need to try is MP at Start Living Well Today. I've been on this group for 1.5 years, not super active, but I do chime in once in a while. My daughter is 18 and this spring had a really bad regression and was LITERALLY on her way to a mental hospital (long story short here). He was able to get her on her feet within two weeks, and has been steadily working with her, through Zyto appts, since. Now, after approximately 7 months, she is doing better than I've seen her in years. I truly wish I had discovered him years ago, would have made her life and mine so much easier I would be happy to discuss more off line if you're at all interested

Subject: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?To: enzymesandautism , mb12 valtrex Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:11 AM

I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I've tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.

Rose

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Rose, If you don't mind me asking, what are your child's symptoms? What keeps

him from learning/functioning in school or at home?

>

> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this

upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would

be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering

how expensive. I've tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.

>

>

> Rose

>

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My son was a patient of Dr Butttar's about 2.5 yrs ago. We traveled from MA to NC to see him for 8 IV's trips. My son made some minor progress but the expense and travel prevented us from continuing with him. I also did not like that I never saw Dr Buttar but dealt with his long time nurse.

We continured IV chelation w/ our DAN doc in MA and have now done over 100 IV's of DMPS/EDTA/GSH/NAC/Vit C and phoschol. My son continues to improve but not at the speed we would like. We recently started the biofilm protocol and use enzymes and oral disodium EDTA rto brak up the biofilm. WE follow that with penicillin to kill his strep, valtrex to kill the chicken pox and diflucan for yeast. We then follow up with citrus pectin, charcoal and enhansa. At night we give him a DMPS/GSH suppository. We have chelated my 12 yr old son for over 7 yrs and I believe the metals, virus and bacteria are stuck in the biofilm.

You may want to look into the biofilm theory and see if it may help your child before traveling and spending the $$$$ for Dr Buttar.

Good luck!

To: enzymesandautism ; mb12 valtrex Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 9:11:40 AMSubject: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I've tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.

Rose

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Thanks ! Yeah, that was me asking about Dr. Usman. I'm kind of fishing around for some one who isn't going to give me a bunch of fluff about being able to help my son but actually get the job done. I know that Dr. Usmans clinic is pretty awesome at getting results, as is Dr. Buttar. I'm BEYOND my wits end! We've seen 5 no-name dan docs that absolutely were jokes! I thought well, you get what you pay for and I should probably get someone who is getting results on board.

Not in the chicago area, per se, we are in WI.

Thanks for your hugs!

Rose

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 3:55:10 PMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Rose,

Was it you who was asking about Dr. Usman a few weeks ago? I *think* her clinic is now taking new patients with a shortish waiting list, but it is to see her nurse practicioner, who I understand is quite good. Dr. Usman 's biofilm protocol is something you might want to look into, if you haven't already.

Are you in the Chicago area?

Hugs and much luck,

Oh Liz, where to start! He's very severely autistic, screams all day, chewed off all his finger nails, ground down his entire first set of teeth, he once got a 3rd degree burn from a grill and didn't even feel it!

and to top it off we've spent tens of thousands of dollars and he didn't respond to anything!!!! !!!!

No improvements ........NONE!

He didn't resond to chelation, IVIG, hyperbarics, intense diets, sauna therapy, you name it, we've tried it and got nowhere!

Do you have any ideas as to why he never responded?

Rose

From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, December 11, 2009 11:52:14 AMSubject: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Rose, If you don't mind me asking, what are your child's symptoms? What keeps him from learning/functionin g in school or at home? >> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > Rose>

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We went to dr buttar beginning last May. There are 2 treatment modalities for chelation of heavy metals. He either uses TD-DMSA or IV dmsa. He prefers and suggests that the IV treatment is more effective for heavymetal toxicity damage. He just has a free webinar last night and said that IV treatment only works. But, he never said that to us in his office. His protocol for IV treatment is 9-11 IVs that are unmarked the nursing staff will not discuss what the IV dosages are. Or what the vitamin and mineral bags ingredient are. We never got anyone to tell us. Each phone call is billed at $225 for any questions. His nurse practioner does not know as much as many parent do. So, go to Buttar if you can.The cost for treatment was not revealed to us until after our first visit which cost us $3,000 for the office visit,

regular blood panel, 2 genetic tests and his personally designed supplement regime. The IV treatments are 4 rounds of IVs (an overnight stay is required) four times per year. THe cost was $40,000 for IVs. That is not including supplements, or any extra treatments that he may offer such as ozone, transportation and accomodations. We did opt for the ozone treatment. We spent $14,000 for our first appointment, and 2 rounds of IV treatment. Results: our son definitely perked up, became more verbal(from non-verbal) and was relaxed and comfortable for the first time in his life. We begun Transdermal DMPS for a short term due to the cost. We have been unable to get any insurance money reimbursed. The 2 genetic tests were to find out if your child is a non-excreter.Which Dr. Buttar told us he "assumed" since our son has autis. But, indeed the test Did Infact show that our son is a

nonexcreter according to dr. buttar's theory.Personal Oppinion. Although, dr buttar's protocol does seem to work. His staff (with the exception of the front desk person Ilona) does not give out ANY information. If you have any medical inquiries they are very quick to make an appointment with Buttar. We found this very disconcerting and unsettling. We wanted to know what they were putting into our child's veins and were subjected to their avoidance behaviours. I don't know if they cannot divulge the amounts due to some fear of letting the secret out or if they did not know. The doctor gave us vague and anecdotal stories about the protocol. It seems like everyone speaks very highly of Dr. buttar, but we found the office very expensive, medical information unavailable, and were told by the Nurse Practioner that, "this was a priviledge to be getting this treatment." WHich was a total turn-off. Hey, if it's

so great, why are you sharing it with your patients, other doctors and making it affordable to more kiddos?Heidy , RN, BSN, MPHChapel Hill, NC

Oh Liz, where to start! He's very severely autistic, screams all day, chewed off all his finger nails, ground down his entire first set of teeth, he once got a 3rd degree burn from a grill and didn't even feel it!

and to top it off we've spent tens of thousands of dollars and he didn't respond to anything!!!! !!!!

No improvements ........NONE!

He didn't resond to chelation, IVIG, hyperbarics, intense diets, sauna therapy, you name it, we've tried it and got nowhere!

Do you have any ideas as to why he never responded?

Rose

From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, December 11, 2009 11:52:14 AMSubject: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Rose, If you don't mind me asking, what are your child's symptoms? What keeps him from learning/functionin g in school or at home? >> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > Rose>

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i believe he is the dr where a child died getting chelation if i remember correctly and his liscence is being evaluated still

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Rose, If you don't mind me asking, what are your child's symptoms? What keeps him from learning/functionin g in school or at home? >> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > Rose>

[Guest guest]

MP also has a biofilm protocol he's implemented with my 18-year-old Aspie. I know he worked closely with Usman and adopted a similar approach. This has helped tremendously with my daughter's yeast, and I've written about her on here before. She te one refuses to alter her diet, eats horrible, fast food, everything, but is still getting better everyday. Periodically MP checks her yeast levels via Zyto and they're within normal range, with the horrible diet, and she only takes Nystatin.

I cannot stress how wonderful he has been to work with, especially in the beginning when my daughter crashed. He gave me his cell phone number and even called me on weekends to check in on my suicidal daughter. He truly cares about his patients. The prices are reasonable, you can even schedule 15-minute freebies when you need to. Probably the hardest part for those with young children or those severely affected is keeping their hand on the Zyto cradle. There were times when mine didn't even want to keep her hand on it for long just because she was moody and angry all the time, but he was good about letting her takes breaks and playing Gameboy or w/e for a few minutes while he thought about stuff or him and I chitchatted, then he'd tell me to have her put her hand back on it, and he'd run some more panels.

Just wanted to throw that out there

Oh Liz, where to start! He's very severely autistic, screams all day, chewed off all his finger nails, ground down his entire first set of teeth, he once got a 3rd degree burn from a grill and didn't even feel it!

and to top it off we've spent tens of thousands of dollars and he didn't respond to anything!!!! !!!!

No improvements ........NONE!

He didn't resond to chelation, IVIG, hyperbarics, intense diets, sauna therapy, you name it, we've tried it and got nowhere!

Do you have any ideas as to why he never responded?

Rose

From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, December 11, 2009 11:52:14 AMSubject: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. B! uttar's?

Rose, If you don't mind me asking, what are your child's symptoms? What keeps him from learning/functionin g in school or at home? >> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > Rose>

[Guest guest]

Have you done a SPECT scan? Have you looked into atypical Landau Kleffner

Syndrome? What about lyme?

> >

> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking

this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he

would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just

wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no

avail.

> >

> >

> > Rose

> >

>

[Guest guest]

i didn't even realize he was still seeing patients...

To: mb12 valtrex From: raarmom@...Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:01:27 -0800Subject: Re: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

We went to dr buttar beginning last May. There are 2 treatment modalities for chelation of heavy metals. He either uses TD-DMSA or IV dmsa. He prefers and suggests that the IV treatment is more effective for heavymetal toxicity damage. He just has a free webinar last night and said that IV treatment only works. But, he never said that to us in his office. His protocol for IV treatment is 9-11 IVs that are unmarked the nursing staff will not discuss what the IV dosages are. Or what the vitamin and mineral bags ingredient are. We never got anyone to tell us. Each phone call is billed at $225 for any questions. His nurse practioner does not know as much as many parent do. So, go to Buttar if you can.The cost for treatment was not revealed to us until after our first visit which cost us $3,000 for the office visit, regular blood panel, 2 genetic tests and his personally designed supplement regime. The IV treatments are 4 rounds of IVs (an overnight stay is required) four times per year. THe cost was $40,000 for IVs. That is not including supplements, or any extra treatments that he may offer such as ozone, transportation and accomodations. We did opt for the ozone treatment. We spent $14,000 for our first appointment, and 2 rounds of IV treatment. Results: our son definitely perked up, became more verbal(from non-verbal) and was relaxed and comfortable for the first time in his life. We begun Transdermal DMPS for a short term due to the cost. We have been unable to get any insurance money reimbursed. The 2 genetic tests were to find out if your child is a non-excreter.Which Dr. Buttar told us he "assumed" since our son has autis. But, indeed the test Did Infact show that our son is a nonexcreter according to dr. buttar's theory.Personal Oppinion. Although, dr buttar's protocol does seem to work. His staff (with the exception of the front desk person Ilona) does not give out ANY information. If you have any medical inquiries they are very quick to make an appointment with Buttar. We found this very disconcerting and unsettling. We wanted to know what they were putting into our child's veins and were subjected to their avoidance behaviours. I don't know if they cannot divulge the amounts due to some fear of letting the secret out or if they did not know. The doctor gave us vague and anecdotal stories about the protocol. It seems like everyone speaks very highly of Dr. buttar, but we found the office very expensive, medical information unavailable, and were told by the Nurse Practioner that, "this was a priviledge to be getting this treatment." WHich was a total turn-off. Hey, if it's so great, why are you sharing it with your patients, other doctors and making it affordable to more kiddos?Heidy , RN, BSN, MPHChapel Hill, NC

Oh Liz, where to start! He's very severely autistic, screams all day, chewed off all his finger nails, ground down his entire first set of teeth, he once got a 3rd degree burn from a grill and didn't even feel it!

and to top it off we've spent tens of thousands of dollars and he didn't respond to anything!!!! !!!!

No improvements ........NONE!

He didn't resond to chelation, IVIG, hyperbarics, intense diets, sauna therapy, you name it, we've tried it and got nowhere!

Do you have any ideas as to why he never responded?

Rose

From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, December 11, 2009 11:52:14 AMSubject: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Rose, If you don't mind me asking, what are your child's symptoms? What keeps him from learning/functionin g in school or at home? >> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > Rose>

Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.

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Hi , what's a Zyto cradle, please?

MP also has a biofilm protocol he's implemented with my 18-year-old Aspie. I know he worked closely with Usman and adopted a similar approach. This has helped tremendously with my daughter's yeast, and I've written about her on here before. She te one refuses to alter her diet, eats horrible, fast food, everything, but is still getting better everyday. Periodically MP checks her yeast levels via Zyto and they're within normal range, with the horrible diet, and she only takes Nystatin.

I cannot stress how wonderful he has been to work with, especially in the beginning when my daughter crashed. He gave me his cell phone number and even called me on weekends to check in on my suicidal daughter. He truly cares about his patients. The prices are reasonable, you can even schedule 15-minute freebies when you need to. Probably the hardest part for those with young children or those severely affected is keeping their hand on the Zyto cradle. There were times when mine didn't even want to keep her hand on it for long just because she was moody and angry all the time, but he was good about letting her takes breaks and playing Gameboy or w/e for a few minutes while he thought about stuff or him and I chitchatted, then he'd tell me to have her put her hand back on it, and he'd run some more panels.

Just wanted to throw that out there

Oh Liz, where to start! He's very severely autistic, screams all day, chewed off all his finger nails, ground down his entire first set of teeth, he once got a 3rd degree burn from a grill and didn't even feel it!

and to top it off we've spent tens of thousands of dollars and he didn't respond to anything!!!! !!!!

No improvements ........NONE!

He didn't resond to chelation, IVIG, hyperbarics, intense diets, sauna therapy, you name it, we've tried it and got nowhere!

Do you have any ideas as to why he never responded?

Rose

From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, December 11, 2009 11:52:14 AMSubject: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. B! uttar's?

Rose, If you don't mind me asking, what are your child's symptoms? What keeps him from learning/functionin g in school or at home? >> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > Rose>

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It's a cradle that the practitioner sends to the patients. All I had to do is download a program in my computer. So on the day of our appts, MP calls on my home phone, we log in to the Zyto program, and she puts her hand on the cradle. He then sends a signal from his end, and the signal comes through to my daughter and reads what is going on in her body. I can't fully explain the science behind it, but I can tell you that it is incredibly accurate. He runs different panels, ie. hormone panel, Lyme's panel, virus, etc. and it determines which area is her biggest "stressor". Meaning what is her biggest problem at that moment. He then inputs a couple of different remedies, and she puts her hand on again and it determines which supplement or whatever is best for her body to help with the immediate problem.

It's like peeling an onion, layer by layer. It's impressive, to say the least. He even tells me if she has a headache!!

Oh Liz, where to start! He's very severely autistic, screams all day, chewed off all his finger nails, ground down his entire first set of teeth, he once got a 3rd degree burn from a grill and didn't even feel it!

and to top it off we've spent tens of thousands of dollars and he didn't respond to anything!!!! !!!!

No improvements ........NONE!

He didn't resond to chelation, IVIG, hyperbarics, intense diets, sauna therapy, you name it, we've tried it and got nowhere!

Do you have any ideas as to why he never responded?

Rose

From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, December 11, 2009 11:52:14 AMSubject: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. B! uttar's?

Rose, If you don't mind me asking, what are your child's symptoms? What keeps him from learning/functionin g in school or at home? >> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > Rose>

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wow I just totally lost respect for micheal payne, and I had heard such great things about him before with yasko! be soooo careful, there is no way for someone hundreds of miles away able to read your childs energy over the computer by them holding something! computer program or not, that is a scam if I have ever heard one! how are you testing the reliablity of this testing??? are you doing blood test to back things, ect? i pray you are not paying him money for this!

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. B! uttar's?

Rose, If you don't mind me asking, what are your child's symptoms? What keeps him from learning/functionin g in school or at home? >> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > Rose>

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We are in the Chicago area, but our DAN doc is in Madison, WI - Van Dyke. We are very happy with him, so far. He has a son who has recovered from severe autism. Have you called Dr. Usman's clinic?I've also heard really good things about Dr. Mercola in Hoffman Estates, IL (suburb of Chicago).Well, I wish you and your son the best of luck. You are an awesome and completely dedicated mom. Hang in there!! Thanks ! Yeah, that was me asking about Dr. Usman. I'm kind of fishing around for some one who isn't going to give me a bunch of fluff about being able to help my son but actually get the job done. I know that Dr. Usmans clinic is pretty awesome at getting results, as is Dr. Buttar. I'm BEYOND my wits end! We've seen 5 no-name dan docs that absolutely were jokes! I thought well, you get what you pay for and I should probably get someone who is getting results on board. Not in the chicago area, per se, we are in WI. Thanks for your hugs! Rose From: Seraphine <karenseraphine (DOT) us>To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 3:55:10 PMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's? Rose, Was it you who was asking about Dr. Usman a few weeks ago? I *think* her clinic is now taking new patients with a shortish waiting list, but it is to see her nurse practicioner, who I understand is quite good. Dr. Usman 's biofilm protocol is something you might want to look into, if you haven't already. Are you in the Chicago area? Hugs and much luck, Oh Liz, where to start! He's very severely autistic, screams all day, chewed off all his finger nails, ground down his entire first set of teeth, he once got a 3rd degree burn from a grill and didn't even feel it! and to top it off we've spent tens of thousands of dollars and he didn't respond to anything!!!! !!!! No improvements ........NONE! He didn't resond to chelation, IVIG, hyperbarics, intense diets, sauna therapy, you name it, we've tried it and got nowhere! Do you have any ideas as to why he never responded? Rose From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, December 11, 2009 11:52:14 AMSubject: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's? Rose, If you don't mind me asking, what are your child's symptoms? What keeps him from learning/functionin g in school or at home? >> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > Rose>

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Christel,

I don't know if you have a way to go back into the archives, but this is not the first discussion about Zyto on this group. This group is where I learned about it. Then after it picked up three Lyme's co-infections, I joined the LIA group to learn more about Lyme's, and they discuss the Zyto on there as well. The Zyto is not a scam, and has had a lot of testing done and has been proven to be in line with blood testing most of the time. I'm sorry, I don't know the exact figures off the top of my head, but it is very high, like 98% of the time.

I personally do not need to back anything up with blood tests. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. Just like I don't have any tests and cannot prove that vaccines, including all three Gardisil shots harmed my daughter. I can't prove it, but I know that it's true. And it is not cool for you to make such an inflammatory remark regarding something that you obviously know nothing about. Did you even look at anything information regarding Zyto before you sent that email? I guess I now understand better why it is best to refer to practitioners by their initials, to protect them.

Oh Liz, where to start! He's very severely autistic, screams all day, chewed off all his finger nails, ground down his entire first set of teeth, he once got a 3rd degree burn from a grill and didn't even feel it!

and to top it off we've spent tens of thousands of dollars and he didn't respond to anything!!!! !!!!

No improvements ........NONE!

He didn't resond to chelation, IVIG, hyperbarics, intense diets, sauna therapy, you name it, we've tried it and got nowhere!

Do you have any ideas as to why he never responded?

Rose

From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, December 11, 2009 11:52:14 AMSubject: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. B! uttar's?

Rose, If you don't mind me asking, what are your child's symptoms? What keeps him from learning/functionin g in school or at home? >> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > Rose>

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i don't need to read about a computer program to know that you can't read a persons body over the computer with them holding a joy stick or ball or anything, that would be like me saying touch your computer screen and I can tell you everything wrong with you. that's just nuts. there is are so many scams out there to rob us of our funds to help our kids I am floored someone would think a person could read your child over a computer like that. you CAN test shots and effectiveness and toxins by titers, by symptoms which would be way more accurate them having someone hold something while someone on the other side of the computer reads your fortune over the airwaves hundreds of miles away. I have DAN in LIA and I have heard of no such thing, he speaks at the conferences and was awarded by them at the dr of the year or something like that for them. you have to look at who is saying these things are proven to, is it the place SELLING the computer program, or the dr profiting from it, independant labs corrilating ect? it's mot necessarily inflammitory towards you it just discusts me to see the levels people who call themselves helpers of our kids will scoop to make a mighty buck!

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. B! uttar's?

Rose, If you don't mind me asking, what are your child's symptoms? What keeps him from learning/functionin g in school or at home? >> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > Rose>

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just read up on it, not any more impressed, they say it's NOT a medical device, or to be used to give medical advice, it's to be used to track trends that is it. they aren't recommending it either, they are just curious about it's data collecting from everything I read on the LIA site.

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. B! uttar's?

Rose, If you don't mind me asking, what are your child's symptoms? What keeps him from learning/functionin g in school or at home? >> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > Rose>

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i read up on it, there is nothing saying it lines up with blood tests just lines up with what dr's would recommend based on syptoms given, (meaning oral discritions of things) so you can get the same results with more accuracy with just telling a dr what is going on with you and then giving you recommendations, no blood test compairisons, that is FROM the LIA site

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. B! uttar's?

Rose, If you don't mind me asking, what are your child's symptoms? What keeps him from learning/functionin g in school or at home? >> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > Rose>

[Guest guest]

That is ASTOUNDING...and very scary.

> >

> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking

this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he

would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just

wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no

avail.

> >

> >

> > Rose

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have talked to Micheal Payne before at an old TACA meeting where he was a

keynote speaker. He was very very kind and SO intelligent. He answered questions

nonstop from all of us and blew us all away. His wife was in attendance and was

a very lovely person. He did do the Zyto thing on my friend who is the TACA

president there. Her husband could not believe how accurate this was. At first I

was thinking " what in the world is this guy doing!! " but by the end of it I was

a bit more open minded. I didn't totally become a " believer " but it was enough

to perk my interest. I definitely don't think he is doing the Zyto to scam

people. He and alot of people really believe in this. I have a book called " My

Child is Not Autistic, But...... " in which she went to a healer who rid her

son's autism by releasing different energies, etc. Her son " did " recover from

autism. I was very skeptical, but I guess stranger things have happened.

Anyways, just wanted to say I met Micheal Payne and he was very kind. He used to

be housed with our DAN dr ( Megson) but is not there anymore. Christel, I

felt the same way as you at first, but to talk to him was like talking to an

autism genius

> >

> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a

patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around

with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going

there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type

of chelation but his to no avail.

> >

> >

> > Rose

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember reading Heidi N. has used Zyto and

has also said it's very accurate.

> >

> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking

this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he

would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just

wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no

avail.

> >

> >

> > Rose

> >

>

[Guest guest]

again accurate compaired to what???? we can all do the same thing this thing is claiming to do! we do it daily! talking about our kids symptoms and going from there with what it means, you dont need some dr to do this and pay money!

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember reading Heidi N. has used Zyto and has also said it's very accurate. > >> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > > > > Rose> >>

[Guest guest]

Christel,

After I responded to your email last night, it dawned on me that when the Zyto was first discussed on this group that that was during the time that you were absent. I know several months went by where you weren't active in this group, so I can only assume that you didn't keep up. We talked about Zyto and people expressed their doubts. We also discussed how it was tested. There were test groups for it that did blood tests before and after getting a reading to see how accurate the Zyto was, and that's where I'm saying that I think it was around 98% in line with blood testing. Not just one time either. Again I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but it was large numbers of people testing over a long period of time.

All I know is my daugher was a mess. I had no idea which direction to turn and what treatments to do for what. And I didn't have time to play around. When you have a child who is suicidal, cutting themselves, depressed like she was, the only place left for her was a hospital. I knew they would slap her on antidepressents and antipsycotics, and we had already been there and those things only made her worse, and it took me years to get her off that stuff. So I don't need titer tests or anything to prove to me that Zyto works, I know b/c I saw her improve quicker and better than I ever have either working through traditional medicine or with other biomedical doctors.

I know it sounds hokey, I thought the same thing. I didn't jump on it the first time I heard about it either. Then I started thinking about it and researching a little bit, and decided I had nothing to lose really. Truthfully, I WAS desperate, and thought I was willing to lose a few bucks if it turned out to be a scam, but I'd rather lose a few bucks and get scammed rather than always wonder about it. I wanted to know at the end of the day that I had tried absolutely everything that was within my reach to try. His prices are more reasonable than MANY of the DAN! doctors I read about on here, and I don't even have to leave my house for the appt.

Also, the Yahoo group I was referring to is the BorreliaMultipleInfectionsandAutism parent group, sorry for the misquote on that.

And, yes, Heidi N has stated in earlier posts that she has used 's Zyto for testing and has felt it was accurate

Subject: Re: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 9:31 AM

again accurate compaired to what???? we can all do the same thing this thing is claiming to do! we do it daily! talking about our kids symptoms and going from there with what it means, you dont need some dr to do this and pay money!

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember reading Heidi N. has used Zyto and has also said it's very accurate. > >> >

I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > > > > Rose> >>

[Guest guest]

I agree. I thought the whole zyto thing sounded hokey as well. But I have used it twice now and it has confirmed what I already knew thru blood work and other lab testing. In the long run, zyto can run thousands of tests in a half and hour and save you thousands of dollars and years of testing. Anything you learn thru zyto, you can double check thru lab work if you want to. The zyto works thru energy testing. Many people use muscle testing and hae found that to be helpful. It is pretty much the same principle.

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 10:17:38 AMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Christel,

After I responded to your email last night, it dawned on me that when the Zyto was first discussed on this group that that was during the time that you were absent. I know several months went by where you weren't active in this group, so I can only assume that you didn't keep up. We talked about Zyto and people expressed their doubts. We also discussed how it was tested. There were test groups for it that did blood tests before and after getting a reading to see how accurate the Zyto was, and that's where I'm saying that I think it was around 98% in line with blood testing. Not just one time either. Again I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but it was large numbers of people testing over a long period of time.

All I know is my daugher was a mess. I had no idea which direction to turn and what treatments to do for what. And I didn't have time to play around. When you have a child who is suicidal, cutting themselves, depressed like she was, the only place left for her was a hospital. I knew they would slap her on antidepressents and antipsycotics, and we had already been there and those things only made her worse, and it took me years to get her off that stuff. So I don't need titer tests or anything to prove to me that Zyto works, I know b/c I saw her improve quicker and better than I ever have either working through traditional medicine or with other biomedical doctors.

I know it sounds hokey, I thought the same thing. I didn't jump on it the first time I heard about it either. Then I started thinking about it and researching a little bit, and decided I had nothing to lose really. Truthfully, I WAS desperate, and thought I was willing to lose a few bucks if it turned out to be a scam, but I'd rather lose a few bucks and get scammed rather than always wonder about it. I wanted to know at the end of the day that I had tried absolutely everything that was within my reach to try. His prices are more reasonable than MANY of the DAN! doctors I read about on here, and I don't even have to leave my house for the appt.

Also, the Yahoo group I was referring to is the BorreliaMultipleInf ectionsandAutism parent group, sorry for the misquote on that.

And, yes, Heidi N has stated in earlier posts that she has used 's Zyto for testing and has felt it was accurate

From: Christel King <christelking1@ myfairpoint. net>Subject: Re: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 9:31 AM

again accurate compaired to what???? we can all do the same thing this thing is claiming to do! we do it daily! talking about our kids symptoms and going from there with what it means, you dont need some dr to do this and pay money!

Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. Buttar's?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember reading Heidi N. has used Zyto and has also said it's very accurate. > >> > I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > > > > Rose> >>

[Guest guest]

Zyto was the first form of testing that was used on my son. Many of the Chiropractors and Nauropaths are using this technology. This is how Bio-communication works. Your body is designed to facilitate inter-cellular communication. Much of this communication is in response to stressors, things like viruses, allergens, or pollution. Environmental stressors elicit cellular response. Zyto's bio-communication technology stimulates this experience. It uses computer generated digital stressors to stimulate your body, and then listens to and translates your body's response. Digital stressors create similar cellular responses. Digital stressors are questions and your body's response, measured by changes in galvanic skin response, are the answers. Bio-communication is the conversion between your body and the computer.ValenciaSent from my iPhoneOn

Dec 11, 2009, at 10:51 PM, ez wrote:

It's a cradle that the practitioner sends to the patients. All I had to do is download a program in my computer. So on the day of our appts, MP calls on my home phone, we log in to the Zyto program, and she puts her hand on the cradle. He then sends a signal from his end, and the signal comes through to my daughter and reads what is going on in her body. I can't fully explain the science behind it, but I can tell you that it is incredibly accurate. He runs different panels, ie. hormone panel, Lyme's panel, virus, etc. and it determines which area is her biggest "stressor". Meaning what is her biggest problem at that moment. He then inputs a couple of different remedies, and she puts her hand on again and it determines which supplement or whatever is best for her body to help with the

immediate problem.

It's like peeling an onion, layer by layer. It's impressive, to say the least. He even tells me if she has a headache!!

Oh Liz, where to start! He's very severely autistic, screams all day, chewed off all his finger nails, ground down his entire first set of teeth, he once got a 3rd degree burn from a grill and didn't even feel it!

and to top it off we've spent tens of thousands of dollars and he didn't respond to anything!!!! !!!!

No improvements ........NONE!

He didn't resond to chelation, IVIG, hyperbarics, intense diets, sauna therapy, you name it, we've tried it and got nowhere!

Do you have any ideas as to why he never responded?

Rose

From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, December 11, 2009 11:52:14 AMSubject: Re: Anyone a patient of Dr. B! uttar's?

Rose, If you don't mind me asking, what are your child's symptoms? What keeps him from learning/functionin g in school or at home? >> I'm looking for anyone that has or is a patient of Dr. Buttar's. Thinking this upcoming year will be our last go around with Biomed and I always said he would be the last thing I try. I know going there is really expensive, just wondering how expensive. I' ve tried every type of chelation but his to no avail.> > > Rose>

[Guest guest]

In regards to the Zyto discussion...it sounds similar to a test that

was done at our DAN!'s office recently. She called it a " Balance "

test. But it has to be essentially the same thing. There was a

cradle that looked sort of like a large computer mouse with a place

for each finger to be placed. And the way it was explained to me was

that the manufacturer determined the " energy " of a certain item that

was being tested. For instance potatoes. The computer would send the

frequency that they somehow associated with potatoes (or whatever else

they are testing for) to my child's body and then read the response

that my child's energy field produced. So, if my child's response

energy rejected the energy that is supposed to be representing

potatoes, then it was interpreted that my child should probably stay

away from potatoes. To be quite honest with you, I felt like a

complete idiot for actually paying to have this test done...especially

after I came home and explained it to my husband. In my opinion,

there are a lot of problems with this type of test. First of all, how

do they go about assigning a certain " energy " to a substance to begin

with? How do they know what the " frequency " of corn, or potatoes, or

anything else is? Also, when it was reading my child's energy

response to certain substances, he was screaming pretty much the

entire time. How could that even be accurate? But I suppose the

biggest problem that I had with the whole concept is that after the

test was finished the software makes recommendations for supplements

that are all produced by the same company...the same company that

produces the software! Seems like a conflict of interest to me.