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Not to drag this into a political debate, but there's a very good reason

that closed-captioning gained acceptance so easily while doing anything that

services the blindness sector has not. Unity. The deaf community spoke with

one voice and all of them were in one basic accord on their need to be

communicated to. On the other hand, the blindness community has two camps

that have fought each other for years, one group that says it's the official

voice of the blind says we don't need such enhancements, while the other

group says we do. This has only served to make us look like a confused bunch

of people who don't really know what we need, and so the powers-that-be

throw their hands up saying " well, if they don't know what they want,

neither do we. " Until the quibbling ever stops, it's going to be awfully

hard to move forward. OK, now I'm off the soapbox. I only submitted this as

a thought on why we're being shut out, not to get any arguments going.

Bill Powers

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Hi ,

First, you're welcome! Second, actually it's the narrow minded CNIB who

cannot think past their noses or outside the box who were consulted by the

CRTC who came up with one channel. Just like the library services, they

like to separate us from mainstream like we are lepers or something. No

wonder we get nowhere!

Ruth

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:25 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: Re: off topic

I would also like to echo the others' thank yous here - it means a lot that

someone is willing and able to advocate for all of us.

As for mainstreaming on all channels for TV programming - I believe it would

be quite the mental challenge for our dear bureaucrats. I imagine it is

mommy CRTC protecting us from... well... I don't know what. First Health

Canada feels it needs to protect us from the talking meters and the CRTC

protects us from descriptive and easily accessible TV programming? *sigh*

No, they don't get it, but for some reason they do get the closed captioning

concept.

I also notice that more and more, shows are going silent here, and more and

more commercials are relying exlusively on visual and unrelated music to

give the messaging. I think because it's the bottom line, and to have

voiceovers in both official languages is expensive, so companies who are

advertising whatever, will cheap out by giving the message visually.

A perfect example are the recent Canada Bond commercials... from our very

Canadian government that supposedly promotes accessibility. Whatever! Just

another thing that I will choose to describe to Larry - or not - as the case

may be. Not that I want or need commercials to be described or anything - it

is an interesting trend though.

Re: off topic

Thank you , we had no idea this was launched, and we're right near

where it launched, but apparently with all that is going on here with our

government debaucle that is going on, it even wasn't noticed. I did call our

cable provider (which happens to be the largest provider in Canada), and

they didn't have a clue about it... well, maybe one day hopefully.

It apparently includes some Canadian programming, but It's unfortunate that

mainstream programming isn't available yet. Hopefully it will expand as time

moves on. I do appreciate the fact that outstanding Canadian programming is

at least made available. In the meantime, we'll be content to have some

outstanding Canadian shows, such as Little Mosque on the Prairie, which is

at least a current show.

Interesting though they've decided to include a 20 year old Canadian series,

such as Road to Avonlea... but neglect to include my own personal favourites

such as Grey's Anatomy and Ugly Betty, but I digress... however I do

challenge them to bring in some more programming that's from this paticular

century, and I challenge them to include a visually described Dancing with

the Stars - now that's a challenge for ya!

As much as we appreciate their effort, it would be nice to have programming

that is available to all. And even more importantly, to be actually offered

by our cable programming departments.

According to their website, they will have:

CBC shows:

This is Wonderland

Heartland

Little Mosque on the Prairie

This Hour has 22 Minutes

- along with a collection of Canadian documentaries and movies

Also will feature original CTV programming, including series such as

Road To Avonlea

Alice I Think

Whistler

and original movies such as

Shades of Black

Lives of the Saints

additional programming from CTV include specialty channels including

MuchMusic, Discovery Channel and Travel+Escape.

Murdoch Mysteries

Less than a Kind

Survivorman

Mantracker

OMNI documentaries

and biographies from The Biography channel.

Like I said, it's a start, and I'm looking forward to seeing more made

available.

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Hi ,

First, you're welcome! Second, actually it's the narrow minded CNIB who

cannot think past their noses or outside the box who were consulted by the

CRTC who came up with one channel. Just like the library services, they

like to separate us from mainstream like we are lepers or something. No

wonder we get nowhere!

Ruth

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:25 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: Re: off topic

I would also like to echo the others' thank yous here - it means a lot that

someone is willing and able to advocate for all of us.

As for mainstreaming on all channels for TV programming - I believe it would

be quite the mental challenge for our dear bureaucrats. I imagine it is

mommy CRTC protecting us from... well... I don't know what. First Health

Canada feels it needs to protect us from the talking meters and the CRTC

protects us from descriptive and easily accessible TV programming? *sigh*

No, they don't get it, but for some reason they do get the closed captioning

concept.

I also notice that more and more, shows are going silent here, and more and

more commercials are relying exlusively on visual and unrelated music to

give the messaging. I think because it's the bottom line, and to have

voiceovers in both official languages is expensive, so companies who are

advertising whatever, will cheap out by giving the message visually.

A perfect example are the recent Canada Bond commercials... from our very

Canadian government that supposedly promotes accessibility. Whatever! Just

another thing that I will choose to describe to Larry - or not - as the case

may be. Not that I want or need commercials to be described or anything - it

is an interesting trend though.

Re: off topic

Thank you , we had no idea this was launched, and we're right near

where it launched, but apparently with all that is going on here with our

government debaucle that is going on, it even wasn't noticed. I did call our

cable provider (which happens to be the largest provider in Canada), and

they didn't have a clue about it... well, maybe one day hopefully.

It apparently includes some Canadian programming, but It's unfortunate that

mainstream programming isn't available yet. Hopefully it will expand as time

moves on. I do appreciate the fact that outstanding Canadian programming is

at least made available. In the meantime, we'll be content to have some

outstanding Canadian shows, such as Little Mosque on the Prairie, which is

at least a current show.

Interesting though they've decided to include a 20 year old Canadian series,

such as Road to Avonlea... but neglect to include my own personal favourites

such as Grey's Anatomy and Ugly Betty, but I digress... however I do

challenge them to bring in some more programming that's from this paticular

century, and I challenge them to include a visually described Dancing with

the Stars - now that's a challenge for ya!

As much as we appreciate their effort, it would be nice to have programming

that is available to all. And even more importantly, to be actually offered

by our cable programming departments.

According to their website, they will have:

CBC shows:

This is Wonderland

Heartland

Little Mosque on the Prairie

This Hour has 22 Minutes

- along with a collection of Canadian documentaries and movies

Also will feature original CTV programming, including series such as

Road To Avonlea

Alice I Think

Whistler

and original movies such as

Shades of Black

Lives of the Saints

additional programming from CTV include specialty channels including

MuchMusic, Discovery Channel and Travel+Escape.

Murdoch Mysteries

Less than a Kind

Survivorman

Mantracker

OMNI documentaries

and biographies from The Biography channel.

Like I said, it's a start, and I'm looking forward to seeing more made

available.

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Hi ,

First, you're welcome! Second, actually it's the narrow minded CNIB who

cannot think past their noses or outside the box who were consulted by the

CRTC who came up with one channel. Just like the library services, they

like to separate us from mainstream like we are lepers or something. No

wonder we get nowhere!

Ruth

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:25 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: Re: off topic

I would also like to echo the others' thank yous here - it means a lot that

someone is willing and able to advocate for all of us.

As for mainstreaming on all channels for TV programming - I believe it would

be quite the mental challenge for our dear bureaucrats. I imagine it is

mommy CRTC protecting us from... well... I don't know what. First Health

Canada feels it needs to protect us from the talking meters and the CRTC

protects us from descriptive and easily accessible TV programming? *sigh*

No, they don't get it, but for some reason they do get the closed captioning

concept.

I also notice that more and more, shows are going silent here, and more and

more commercials are relying exlusively on visual and unrelated music to

give the messaging. I think because it's the bottom line, and to have

voiceovers in both official languages is expensive, so companies who are

advertising whatever, will cheap out by giving the message visually.

A perfect example are the recent Canada Bond commercials... from our very

Canadian government that supposedly promotes accessibility. Whatever! Just

another thing that I will choose to describe to Larry - or not - as the case

may be. Not that I want or need commercials to be described or anything - it

is an interesting trend though.

Re: off topic

Thank you , we had no idea this was launched, and we're right near

where it launched, but apparently with all that is going on here with our

government debaucle that is going on, it even wasn't noticed. I did call our

cable provider (which happens to be the largest provider in Canada), and

they didn't have a clue about it... well, maybe one day hopefully.

It apparently includes some Canadian programming, but It's unfortunate that

mainstream programming isn't available yet. Hopefully it will expand as time

moves on. I do appreciate the fact that outstanding Canadian programming is

at least made available. In the meantime, we'll be content to have some

outstanding Canadian shows, such as Little Mosque on the Prairie, which is

at least a current show.

Interesting though they've decided to include a 20 year old Canadian series,

such as Road to Avonlea... but neglect to include my own personal favourites

such as Grey's Anatomy and Ugly Betty, but I digress... however I do

challenge them to bring in some more programming that's from this paticular

century, and I challenge them to include a visually described Dancing with

the Stars - now that's a challenge for ya!

As much as we appreciate their effort, it would be nice to have programming

that is available to all. And even more importantly, to be actually offered

by our cable programming departments.

According to their website, they will have:

CBC shows:

This is Wonderland

Heartland

Little Mosque on the Prairie

This Hour has 22 Minutes

- along with a collection of Canadian documentaries and movies

Also will feature original CTV programming, including series such as

Road To Avonlea

Alice I Think

Whistler

and original movies such as

Shades of Black

Lives of the Saints

additional programming from CTV include specialty channels including

MuchMusic, Discovery Channel and Travel+Escape.

Murdoch Mysteries

Less than a Kind

Survivorman

Mantracker

OMNI documentaries

and biographies from The Biography channel.

Like I said, it's a start, and I'm looking forward to seeing more made

available.

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Hi Bill,

You guys have only two? Up here it's every man/woman for him or herself.

Not only that, big Daddy CNIB is the only one that gets consulted. Up here

it is the Canadian National Institute for the blind not of the blind which

has been changed recently, but it's the same old thing and by the time all

is said and done, the blind consumer has no voice.

Ruth

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Bill Powers

Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:01 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: RE: off topic

Not to drag this into a political debate, but there's a very good reason

that closed-captioning gained acceptance so easily while doing anything that

services the blindness sector has not. Unity. The deaf community spoke with

one voice and all of them were in one basic accord on their need to be

communicated to. On the other hand, the blindness community has two camps

that have fought each other for years, one group that says it's the official

voice of the blind says we don't need such enhancements, while the other

group says we do. This has only served to make us look like a confused bunch

of people who don't really know what we need, and so the powers-that-be

throw their hands up saying " well, if they don't know what they want,

neither do we. " Until the quibbling ever stops, it's going to be awfully

hard to move forward. OK, now I'm off the soapbox. I only submitted this as

a thought on why we're being shut out, not to get any arguments going.

Bill Powers

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Hi Bill,

You guys have only two? Up here it's every man/woman for him or herself.

Not only that, big Daddy CNIB is the only one that gets consulted. Up here

it is the Canadian National Institute for the blind not of the blind which

has been changed recently, but it's the same old thing and by the time all

is said and done, the blind consumer has no voice.

Ruth

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Bill Powers

Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:01 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: RE: off topic

Not to drag this into a political debate, but there's a very good reason

that closed-captioning gained acceptance so easily while doing anything that

services the blindness sector has not. Unity. The deaf community spoke with

one voice and all of them were in one basic accord on their need to be

communicated to. On the other hand, the blindness community has two camps

that have fought each other for years, one group that says it's the official

voice of the blind says we don't need such enhancements, while the other

group says we do. This has only served to make us look like a confused bunch

of people who don't really know what we need, and so the powers-that-be

throw their hands up saying " well, if they don't know what they want,

neither do we. " Until the quibbling ever stops, it's going to be awfully

hard to move forward. OK, now I'm off the soapbox. I only submitted this as

a thought on why we're being shut out, not to get any arguments going.

Bill Powers

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Ruth,

There are actually more than two groups that deal with blindness issues here

in the states, but for the sake of a national voice, the only normally

recognized voices are the NFB (National Federation of the Blind) and the ACB

(American Council of the Blind.) There are other organizations and agencies,

but the strongest voices are the ones I mentinoed. How I wish it were

possible they could get on the same page, but that's wishful thinking.

Bill Powers

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Ruth,

There are actually more than two groups that deal with blindness issues here

in the states, but for the sake of a national voice, the only normally

recognized voices are the NFB (National Federation of the Blind) and the ACB

(American Council of the Blind.) There are other organizations and agencies,

but the strongest voices are the ones I mentinoed. How I wish it were

possible they could get on the same page, but that's wishful thinking.

Bill Powers

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Ruth,

There are actually more than two groups that deal with blindness issues here

in the states, but for the sake of a national voice, the only normally

recognized voices are the NFB (National Federation of the Blind) and the ACB

(American Council of the Blind.) There are other organizations and agencies,

but the strongest voices are the ones I mentinoed. How I wish it were

possible they could get on the same page, but that's wishful thinking.

Bill Powers

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Hi Bill,

Well then, I guess we should start wishing huh?! We are just as frustrated

up here.

Ruth

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Bill Powers

Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:59 AM

To: blind-diabetics

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Ruth,

There are actually more than two groups that deal with blindness issues here

in the states, but for the sake of a national voice, the only normally

recognized voices are the NFB (National Federation of the Blind) and the ACB

(American Council of the Blind.) There are other organizations and agencies,

but the strongest voices are the ones I mentinoed. How I wish it were

possible they could get on the same page, but that's wishful thinking.

Bill Powers

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But what you say is absolutely true.

RE: off topic

Not to drag this into a political debate, but there's a very good reason

that closed-captioning gained acceptance so easily while doing anything that

services the blindness sector has not. Unity. The deaf community spoke with

one voice and all of them were in one basic accord on their need to be

communicated to. On the other hand, the blindness community has two camps

that have fought each other for years, one group that says it's the official

voice of the blind says we don't need such enhancements, while the other

group says we do. This has only served to make us look like a confused bunch

of people who don't really know what we need, and so the powers-that-be

throw their hands up saying " well, if they don't know what they want,

neither do we. " Until the quibbling ever stops, it's going to be awfully

hard to move forward. OK, now I'm off the soapbox. I only submitted this as

a thought on why we're being shut out, not to get any arguments going.

Bill Powers

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Hello Ruth. I first want to congradulate you on the work you have started.

I am not sure if you are aware of the AEBC (Advocates for equality for blind,

deaf blind, and visually impaired). We are a national advocacy organization and

work with government to fight for equality in everything. This also means

accessible items, Medicare equality and so much more.

I hope this helps, and the CNIB is not the only organization.

Take care.

Cherryl

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Ruth,

There are actually more than two groups that deal with blindness issues here

in the states, but for the sake of a national voice, the only normally

recognized voices are the NFB (National Federation of the Blind) and the ACB

(American Council of the Blind.) There are other organizations and agencies,

but the strongest voices are the ones I mentinoed. How I wish it were

possible they could get on the same page, but that's wishful thinking.

Bill Powers

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Do you also advocate the prodigy voice glucose meter?

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Ruth,

There are actually more than two groups that deal with blindness issues here

in the states, but for the sake of a national voice, the only normally

recognized voices are the NFB (National Federation of the Blind) and the ACB

(American Council of the Blind.) There are other organizations and agencies,

but the strongest voices are the ones I mentinoed. How I wish it were

possible they could get on the same page, but that's wishful thinking.

Bill Powers

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