Re: i got questioned by my 5 year olds preschool director re: her diet

[Guest guest]

Hi

> she is bruising so badly it looks like she has been abused.

Back when he was 2.5 year old (before ANY diets)

My son used to wake up in the morning crying loudly

looking like he got beaten up

with bruises on face, dark under eyes circle, staticky hair

I think someone told me it was due to food allergies

could your girl be allergic to apples, pears,

whatever else you newly introduced or

increased the amount/frequencies of?

recently when we reintroduced eggs (IgG 4 he was allergic to

it, we abstained for half a year and then reintroduced)

he started having lots of crying, tantrums, stims, nail bitinf

when I removed eggs

he returned to his sweet calm smiley affectionate self

I can't be sure this is the cause

but it's seems a correlation for our case

good luck

mama Jzin

Dimiter, ASD, age 3

GFCF since 8/03

Feingold, Rotation, Allergy elimination, etc since 10/03

almost all organic

SCD since 12/03

[Guest guest]

Hi

> she is bruising so badly it looks like she has been abused.

Back when he was 2.5 year old (before ANY diets)

My son used to wake up in the morning crying loudly

looking like he got beaten up

with bruises on face, dark under eyes circle, staticky hair

I think someone told me it was due to food allergies

could your girl be allergic to apples, pears,

whatever else you newly introduced or

increased the amount/frequencies of?

recently when we reintroduced eggs (IgG 4 he was allergic to

it, we abstained for half a year and then reintroduced)

he started having lots of crying, tantrums, stims, nail bitinf

when I removed eggs

he returned to his sweet calm smiley affectionate self

I can't be sure this is the cause

but it's seems a correlation for our case

good luck

mama Jzin

Dimiter, ASD, age 3

GFCF since 8/03

Feingold, Rotation, Allergy elimination, etc since 10/03

almost all organic

SCD since 12/03

[Guest guest]

Hi

> she is bruising so badly it looks like she has been abused.

Back when he was 2.5 year old (before ANY diets)

My son used to wake up in the morning crying loudly

looking like he got beaten up

with bruises on face, dark under eyes circle, staticky hair

I think someone told me it was due to food allergies

could your girl be allergic to apples, pears,

whatever else you newly introduced or

increased the amount/frequencies of?

recently when we reintroduced eggs (IgG 4 he was allergic to

it, we abstained for half a year and then reintroduced)

he started having lots of crying, tantrums, stims, nail bitinf

when I removed eggs

he returned to his sweet calm smiley affectionate self

I can't be sure this is the cause

but it's seems a correlation for our case

good luck

mama Jzin

Dimiter, ASD, age 3

GFCF since 8/03

Feingold, Rotation, Allergy elimination, etc since 10/03

almost all organic

SCD since 12/03

[Guest guest]

Have you checked with your pediatrician about the bruises?

Coral

[Guest guest]

Hi , You are not alone in this. I was stopped and questioned by the

principal of my 9 yr. old daughters school. She questioned the diet, how

Abby looks. She said " we are so concerned because she looks so frail and

also because of all

her bruises " . She is bruising easy too and they are not healing up fast at

all. She said " Abby's skin looks transparent! " I thought

that was weird. She has always been fair but I am concerned about the

bruising as well. She is still getting over this 3 month illness after 4

days with a fever and cold and I am starting to question this diet for us as

well. We are going to do the " Metabolic Profile Analysis " from the Great

Smokies Labs soon. It will tell a lot about her malabsorption issues and

gastrointestinal function, dysbiosis, and neurotransmitters. We think it's

a B vitamin problem but she can't handle those so will be looking into why.

I have almost decided to put some foods back in that are not legal but still

stay modified SCD but I do not advocate that for other people.

How long has she been on SCD, because it may be die-off. My daughter has

not handled die-off that well since she is getting sick from it. She could

be having problems with the apples too since she may have problems with

salicylates. I found out this was a big issue for us early on. Hang in

there.

Kathy

Abby-9, ASD, UC, SCD for 11 weeks

> my five year olds director at preschool questioned re her diet and

> was it medically documented or prescribed...evidently her behavior at

> school has been so bad for the last few weeks, crying, chewing her

> hair even more, actually until several inches were in such a mat we

> had to cut off five inches, chewing on her shirt sleeves..letting her

> hair fall in front of her face and hiding crying refusing to

> particapate.

> she is celiac she was gluten free, diary free, soy free, corn free

> and sugar free until beginning this diet. now we have taken out eggs,

> rice and potatos.

>

> is this behavior normal for this diet? also the intor diuction of

> fruit has been a problem. we were only eating apples a few day. now

> we are trying more apples cooked and peeled pears...

>

> she is bruising so badly it looks like she has been abused.

>

> they want her to work with another therapist, and have a meeting next

> week. i felt very accused of being a bad parent and crazey mother.

>

> HELP>.

>

> lisa

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , You are not alone in this. I was stopped and questioned by the

principal of my 9 yr. old daughters school. She questioned the diet, how

Abby looks. She said " we are so concerned because she looks so frail and

also because of all

her bruises " . She is bruising easy too and they are not healing up fast at

all. She said " Abby's skin looks transparent! " I thought

that was weird. She has always been fair but I am concerned about the

bruising as well. She is still getting over this 3 month illness after 4

days with a fever and cold and I am starting to question this diet for us as

well. We are going to do the " Metabolic Profile Analysis " from the Great

Smokies Labs soon. It will tell a lot about her malabsorption issues and

gastrointestinal function, dysbiosis, and neurotransmitters. We think it's

a B vitamin problem but she can't handle those so will be looking into why.

I have almost decided to put some foods back in that are not legal but still

stay modified SCD but I do not advocate that for other people.

How long has she been on SCD, because it may be die-off. My daughter has

not handled die-off that well since she is getting sick from it. She could

be having problems with the apples too since she may have problems with

salicylates. I found out this was a big issue for us early on. Hang in

there.

Kathy

Abby-9, ASD, UC, SCD for 11 weeks

> my five year olds director at preschool questioned re her diet and

> was it medically documented or prescribed...evidently her behavior at

> school has been so bad for the last few weeks, crying, chewing her

> hair even more, actually until several inches were in such a mat we

> had to cut off five inches, chewing on her shirt sleeves..letting her

> hair fall in front of her face and hiding crying refusing to

> particapate.

> she is celiac she was gluten free, diary free, soy free, corn free

> and sugar free until beginning this diet. now we have taken out eggs,

> rice and potatos.

>

> is this behavior normal for this diet? also the intor diuction of

> fruit has been a problem. we were only eating apples a few day. now

> we are trying more apples cooked and peeled pears...

>

> she is bruising so badly it looks like she has been abused.

>

> they want her to work with another therapist, and have a meeting next

> week. i felt very accused of being a bad parent and crazey mother.

>

> HELP>.

>

> lisa

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , You are not alone in this. I was stopped and questioned by the

principal of my 9 yr. old daughters school. She questioned the diet, how

Abby looks. She said " we are so concerned because she looks so frail and

also because of all

her bruises " . She is bruising easy too and they are not healing up fast at

all. She said " Abby's skin looks transparent! " I thought

that was weird. She has always been fair but I am concerned about the

bruising as well. She is still getting over this 3 month illness after 4

days with a fever and cold and I am starting to question this diet for us as

well. We are going to do the " Metabolic Profile Analysis " from the Great

Smokies Labs soon. It will tell a lot about her malabsorption issues and

gastrointestinal function, dysbiosis, and neurotransmitters. We think it's

a B vitamin problem but she can't handle those so will be looking into why.

I have almost decided to put some foods back in that are not legal but still

stay modified SCD but I do not advocate that for other people.

How long has she been on SCD, because it may be die-off. My daughter has

not handled die-off that well since she is getting sick from it. She could

be having problems with the apples too since she may have problems with

salicylates. I found out this was a big issue for us early on. Hang in

there.

Kathy

Abby-9, ASD, UC, SCD for 11 weeks

> my five year olds director at preschool questioned re her diet and

> was it medically documented or prescribed...evidently her behavior at

> school has been so bad for the last few weeks, crying, chewing her

> hair even more, actually until several inches were in such a mat we

> had to cut off five inches, chewing on her shirt sleeves..letting her

> hair fall in front of her face and hiding crying refusing to

> particapate.

> she is celiac she was gluten free, diary free, soy free, corn free

> and sugar free until beginning this diet. now we have taken out eggs,

> rice and potatos.

>

> is this behavior normal for this diet? also the intor diuction of

> fruit has been a problem. we were only eating apples a few day. now

> we are trying more apples cooked and peeled pears...

>

> she is bruising so badly it looks like she has been abused.

>

> they want her to work with another therapist, and have a meeting next

> week. i felt very accused of being a bad parent and crazey mother.

>

> HELP>.

>

> lisa

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

> my five year olds director at preschool questioned re her diet and

> was it medically documented or prescribed...

--------------------------------------

This kind of thing makes me crazy. Has she stopped any parents and

told them she's concerned because their child eats Mc's three

times a week??? How can a child eat more healthy than this diet? It

is a lack of information, knowledge and sense - if you ask me. If she

is Celiac, can you find a doctor who is on board with SCD? It has

been around for Celiacs for decades.

-------------------------------------

evidently her behavior at

> school has been so bad for the last few weeks, crying, chewing her

> hair even more, actually until several inches were in such a mat we

> had to cut off five inches, chewing on her shirt sleeves..letting

her

> hair fall in front of her face and hiding crying refusing to

> particapate.

-----------------------------------------------

I'm so sorry she is having such a hard time. Is it possible she is

experiencing some major die-off? What is going on with her stools?

Also, is it possible she is reactive to phenols? Some of these

symptoms seem to be common among kids that are. Have you ever tried

enzymes?

> she is celiac she was gluten free, diary free, soy free, corn free

> and sugar free until beginning this diet. now we have taken out

eggs,

> rice and potatos.

I was just wondering why you pulled eggs? I'm assuming she reacts to

them. Could you tell us more about what she does eat and drink?

> is this behavior normal for this diet? also the intor diuction of

> fruit has been a problem. we were only eating apples a few day. now

> we are trying more apples cooked and peeled pears...

Any increase in behaviors or worsening of bms can be a sign of die-

off. It can also indicate consumption of illegals. We need to know

more about what she eats, drinks and any supplements she takes. Is

she eating the apples now cooked or raw? It is important that any

fruit be peeled seeded and cooked, like you mentioned.

> she is bruising so badly it looks like she has been abused.

>

> they want her to work with another therapist, and have a meeting

next

> week. i felt very accused of being a bad parent and crazey mother.

I don't know what to say about the bruises. bruises easily,

too, but so do I. He never looks " abused " , though - just like a kid

who falls down on his shins, knees and elbows a lot (usually they are

not in a soft place - almost always on a bone). If you have concerns

she is eing abused, please take her to a doctor.

Please hang in there. We are here to help you.

Looking forward to hearing more about your daughter.

son - 5yo ASD, SCD 13 months

[Guest guest]

--hi jennifer,

thanks for your response..i have seen four celiac doctors. who have

told me over the past to just keep going gluten free, that she is

still getting contamination and that she is very rare because even

when we took teh few packaged items out of her diet, she still when

scoped had totally blunted vill like she had been ingesting gluten on

a daily basis. the last doc i saw was the celiac guur in baltimore, i

he said he couln't rule out refractory sprue and that she may never

heal. i asked him about theis diet, which our allgergist and

chiropracor recommended, he said it wouldn't work. the celiac docs

are very by the book i could't get support around her food allergies

possibly causing the blunted villi.(we have been to boston cildrens

aand columbia in ny as well)

regarding the behavior i suppose it could be die off, but they were

such big protein and veggie eaters ,that they didn't eat much rice or

potatos. never sugar or anything because they couldn't tolerate it.

maybe the phenols, are they in the apples? pretty much the only fruit

she can tolerate. i usually peel them , but she was meltig down when

i was cooking them.

the last enzyme i tried was by kirkman, i found after a whoel summer

of hives the doc keep telling were misquito bites, that the enzymes

are grown on mold. both my kids are really allergic to mold. th other

enzyme which thye ate only for a few days before i realized were

burning thier tongues, because i was opening the capsules, and

sprinkling them on thier food. ultrase complete,i think it was

called. it actually seem to work , i think i may try that again,

i just had both girls tested for allergies, they are allgeric to:

eggs(severly)

almonds, cashews(severly)

mustard greens

protein in dairy

tomatoes

this is waht they eat:

pork, chicken, turkey, beef, codfish, flounder, applegate turkey dogs

brocilli, cauliflower carrots, squash(jesse only) spinach (eliza

sometimes)

celery, onion, ginger, garlic, rosemay thyme sage tarragon(all fresh)

apples, once in a while strawberries(cooked) occasionally pears

olive oil only, water to drink only

i make a lot of meat patties, or boil the meat first with onoin and

celery then slice it thin and fry in a little oil to make crispy.

today i let them have only cooked apple, just a little. although

jesse had too much butternut squash which went right through her..

i guess i will go back to acorn squash, and just a little.this morning

before the after breakfast(befor ingesting the squash) jesse had a

perpect poop. brown balls!!!and even smelled like real poop.

eliza sniffed several illegals, which i think my husband has been

significantly yelled at so it won't happen agian. diet coke, skittles

(huge bag) and tofutti bars with the sandwhich outside. those made

her sick, low grade temp to bed without dinner at 5:00 and a headache

for forst time.

sorry about the confusion on looking like being abused, both my girls

periodically get really bruised mostly on thier arms. even just

picking them up will bruise them, ot the dog playfully nipping.

usually i link it to them doing reasonably well with meats,veggies

and little apple. then i will feel safe to add something like a multi

vitamin or enzyme, or more fruit like strawberies and before i know

bruising.

sorry this is so long thanks for your help.

lisa

eliza 5 yo celiac, week three scd

jesse 3yo scd week three

- In pecanbread , " jenniferandmiguel1999 "

<jenniferandmiguel@c...> wrote:

>

> > my five year olds director at preschool questioned re her diet

and

> > was it medically documented or prescribed...

> --------------------------------------

> This kind of thing makes me crazy. Has she stopped any parents and

> told them she's concerned because their child eats Mc's three

> times a week??? How can a child eat more healthy than this diet? It

> is a lack of information, knowledge and sense - if you ask me. If

she

> is Celiac, can you find a doctor who is on board with SCD? It has

> been around for Celiacs for decades.

> -------------------------------------

> evidently her behavior at

> > school has been so bad for the last few weeks, crying, chewing

her

> > hair even more, actually until several inches were in such a mat

we

> > had to cut off five inches, chewing on her shirt sleeves..letting

> her

> > hair fall in front of her face and hiding crying refusing to

> > particapate.

>

> -----------------------------------------------

> I'm so sorry she is having such a hard time. Is it possible she is

> experiencing some major die-off? What is going on with her stools?

> Also, is it possible she is reactive to phenols? Some of these

> symptoms seem to be common among kids that are. Have you ever tried

> enzymes?

>

>

> > she is celiac she was gluten free, diary free, soy free, corn

free

> > and sugar free until beginning this diet. now we have taken out

> eggs,

> > rice and potatos.

>

> I was just wondering why you pulled eggs? I'm assuming she reacts

to

> them. Could you tell us more about what she does eat and drink?

>

> > is this behavior normal for this diet? also the intor diuction of

> > fruit has been a problem. we were only eating apples a few day.

now

> > we are trying more apples cooked and peeled pears...

>

> Any increase in behaviors or worsening of bms can be a sign of die-

> off. It can also indicate consumption of illegals. We need to know

> more about what she eats, drinks and any supplements she takes. Is

> she eating the apples now cooked or raw? It is important that any

> fruit be peeled seeded and cooked, like you mentioned.

>

> > she is bruising so badly it looks like she has been abused.

> >

> > they want her to work with another therapist, and have a meeting

> next

> > week. i felt very accused of being a bad parent and crazey mother.

>

> I don't know what to say about the bruises. bruises easily,

> too, but so do I. He never looks " abused " , though - just like a kid

> who falls down on his shins, knees and elbows a lot (usually they

are

> not in a soft place - almost always on a bone). If you have

concerns

> she is eing abused, please take her to a doctor.

>

> Please hang in there. We are here to help you.

>

> Looking forward to hearing more about your daughter.

>

>

> son - 5yo ASD, SCD 13 months

[Guest guest]

--hi jennifer,

thanks for your response..i have seen four celiac doctors. who have

told me over the past to just keep going gluten free, that she is

still getting contamination and that she is very rare because even

when we took teh few packaged items out of her diet, she still when

scoped had totally blunted vill like she had been ingesting gluten on

a daily basis. the last doc i saw was the celiac guur in baltimore, i

he said he couln't rule out refractory sprue and that she may never

heal. i asked him about theis diet, which our allgergist and

chiropracor recommended, he said it wouldn't work. the celiac docs

are very by the book i could't get support around her food allergies

possibly causing the blunted villi.(we have been to boston cildrens

aand columbia in ny as well)

regarding the behavior i suppose it could be die off, but they were

such big protein and veggie eaters ,that they didn't eat much rice or

potatos. never sugar or anything because they couldn't tolerate it.

maybe the phenols, are they in the apples? pretty much the only fruit

she can tolerate. i usually peel them , but she was meltig down when

i was cooking them.

the last enzyme i tried was by kirkman, i found after a whoel summer

of hives the doc keep telling were misquito bites, that the enzymes

are grown on mold. both my kids are really allergic to mold. th other

enzyme which thye ate only for a few days before i realized were

burning thier tongues, because i was opening the capsules, and

sprinkling them on thier food. ultrase complete,i think it was

called. it actually seem to work , i think i may try that again,

i just had both girls tested for allergies, they are allgeric to:

eggs(severly)

almonds, cashews(severly)

mustard greens

protein in dairy

tomatoes

this is waht they eat:

pork, chicken, turkey, beef, codfish, flounder, applegate turkey dogs

brocilli, cauliflower carrots, squash(jesse only) spinach (eliza

sometimes)

celery, onion, ginger, garlic, rosemay thyme sage tarragon(all fresh)

apples, once in a while strawberries(cooked) occasionally pears

olive oil only, water to drink only

i make a lot of meat patties, or boil the meat first with onoin and

celery then slice it thin and fry in a little oil to make crispy.

today i let them have only cooked apple, just a little. although

jesse had too much butternut squash which went right through her..

i guess i will go back to acorn squash, and just a little.this morning

before the after breakfast(befor ingesting the squash) jesse had a

perpect poop. brown balls!!!and even smelled like real poop.

eliza sniffed several illegals, which i think my husband has been

significantly yelled at so it won't happen agian. diet coke, skittles

(huge bag) and tofutti bars with the sandwhich outside. those made

her sick, low grade temp to bed without dinner at 5:00 and a headache

for forst time.

sorry about the confusion on looking like being abused, both my girls

periodically get really bruised mostly on thier arms. even just

picking them up will bruise them, ot the dog playfully nipping.

usually i link it to them doing reasonably well with meats,veggies

and little apple. then i will feel safe to add something like a multi

vitamin or enzyme, or more fruit like strawberies and before i know

bruising.

sorry this is so long thanks for your help.

lisa

eliza 5 yo celiac, week three scd

jesse 3yo scd week three

- In pecanbread , " jenniferandmiguel1999 "

<jenniferandmiguel@c...> wrote:

>

> > my five year olds director at preschool questioned re her diet

and

> > was it medically documented or prescribed...

> --------------------------------------

> This kind of thing makes me crazy. Has she stopped any parents and

> told them she's concerned because their child eats Mc's three

> times a week??? How can a child eat more healthy than this diet? It

> is a lack of information, knowledge and sense - if you ask me. If

she

> is Celiac, can you find a doctor who is on board with SCD? It has

> been around for Celiacs for decades.

> -------------------------------------

> evidently her behavior at

> > school has been so bad for the last few weeks, crying, chewing

her

> > hair even more, actually until several inches were in such a mat

we

> > had to cut off five inches, chewing on her shirt sleeves..letting

> her

> > hair fall in front of her face and hiding crying refusing to

> > particapate.

>

> -----------------------------------------------

> I'm so sorry she is having such a hard time. Is it possible she is

> experiencing some major die-off? What is going on with her stools?

> Also, is it possible she is reactive to phenols? Some of these

> symptoms seem to be common among kids that are. Have you ever tried

> enzymes?

>

>

> > she is celiac she was gluten free, diary free, soy free, corn

free

> > and sugar free until beginning this diet. now we have taken out

> eggs,

> > rice and potatos.

>

> I was just wondering why you pulled eggs? I'm assuming she reacts

to

> them. Could you tell us more about what she does eat and drink?

>

> > is this behavior normal for this diet? also the intor diuction of

> > fruit has been a problem. we were only eating apples a few day.

now

> > we are trying more apples cooked and peeled pears...

>

> Any increase in behaviors or worsening of bms can be a sign of die-

> off. It can also indicate consumption of illegals. We need to know

> more about what she eats, drinks and any supplements she takes. Is

> she eating the apples now cooked or raw? It is important that any

> fruit be peeled seeded and cooked, like you mentioned.

>

> > she is bruising so badly it looks like she has been abused.

> >

> > they want her to work with another therapist, and have a meeting

> next

> > week. i felt very accused of being a bad parent and crazey mother.

>

> I don't know what to say about the bruises. bruises easily,

> too, but so do I. He never looks " abused " , though - just like a kid

> who falls down on his shins, knees and elbows a lot (usually they

are

> not in a soft place - almost always on a bone). If you have

concerns

> she is eing abused, please take her to a doctor.

>

> Please hang in there. We are here to help you.

>

> Looking forward to hearing more about your daughter.

>

>

> son - 5yo ASD, SCD 13 months

[Guest guest]

-hi tzin,

they didn't test allergic to appples but i have always suspected

them, however it it one of teh onlyy fruits that she can eat without

getting fall apart poops. mayeb as someone else mentioned it it the

phenols. i haven't seen my sweet lovong eliza in so long.. seh is so

nasty and angry and aggressive al the time it hurts.

lisa-- In pecanbread , " Jzin Teng " <jzinius@y...>

wrote:

> Hi

>

> > she is bruising so badly it looks like she has been abused.

>

> Back when he was 2.5 year old (before ANY diets)

> My son used to wake up in the morning crying loudly

> looking like he got beaten up

> with bruises on face, dark under eyes circle, staticky hair

>

> I think someone told me it was due to food allergies

>

> could your girl be allergic to apples, pears,

> whatever else you newly introduced or

> increased the amount/frequencies of?

>

> recently when we reintroduced eggs (IgG 4 he was allergic to

> it, we abstained for half a year and then reintroduced)

> he started having lots of crying, tantrums, stims, nail bitinf

> when I removed eggs

> he returned to his sweet calm smiley affectionate self

> I can't be sure this is the cause

> but it's seems a correlation for our case

>

> good luck

> mama Jzin

> Dimiter, ASD, age 3

> GFCF since 8/03

> Feingold, Rotation, Allergy elimination, etc since 10/03

> almost all organic

> SCD since 12/03

[Guest guest]

-hi tzin,

they didn't test allergic to appples but i have always suspected

them, however it it one of teh onlyy fruits that she can eat without

getting fall apart poops. mayeb as someone else mentioned it it the

phenols. i haven't seen my sweet lovong eliza in so long.. seh is so

nasty and angry and aggressive al the time it hurts.

lisa-- In pecanbread , " Jzin Teng " <jzinius@y...>

wrote:

> Hi

>

> > she is bruising so badly it looks like she has been abused.

>

> Back when he was 2.5 year old (before ANY diets)

> My son used to wake up in the morning crying loudly

> looking like he got beaten up

> with bruises on face, dark under eyes circle, staticky hair

>

> I think someone told me it was due to food allergies

>

> could your girl be allergic to apples, pears,

> whatever else you newly introduced or

> increased the amount/frequencies of?

>

> recently when we reintroduced eggs (IgG 4 he was allergic to

> it, we abstained for half a year and then reintroduced)

> he started having lots of crying, tantrums, stims, nail bitinf

> when I removed eggs

> he returned to his sweet calm smiley affectionate self

> I can't be sure this is the cause

> but it's seems a correlation for our case

>

> good luck

> mama Jzin

> Dimiter, ASD, age 3

> GFCF since 8/03

> Feingold, Rotation, Allergy elimination, etc since 10/03

> almost all organic

> SCD since 12/03

[Guest guest]

--hi carlo,

yes we have,she doesn't know what it is they are not anemic and the

allergist says this just happpens to these kind of kids

lisa- In pecanbread , " cgetino " <cgetino@a...> wrote:

> Have you checked with your pediatrician about the bruises?

>

> Coral

[Guest guest]

" this is waht they eat:

pork, chicken, turkey, beef, codfish, flounder, applegate turkey

dogs brocilli, cauliflower carrots, squash(jesse only) spinach

(elizasometimes) celery, onion, ginger, garlic, rosemay thyme

sage tarragon(all fresh) apples, once in a while

strawberries(cooked) occasionally pears olive oil only, water to

drink only i make a lot of meat patties, or boil the meat first with

onoin and celery then slice it thin and fry in a little oil to make

crispy. "

From what I see in your list, it is highly unlikely that either of them

is getting enough carbs and I would venture to guess that they

are probably both in ketosis or close to it.

Can they tolerate some juice? What about bananas? Avocados?

Peaches? Any other fruit?

SCD was not meant to be a LOW carb diet, just a " specific " carb

diet. I really think their carb intake needs to be increased.

Jody

mom to -5 and -7

SCD 15 months

[Guest guest]

" this is waht they eat:

pork, chicken, turkey, beef, codfish, flounder, applegate turkey

dogs brocilli, cauliflower carrots, squash(jesse only) spinach

(elizasometimes) celery, onion, ginger, garlic, rosemay thyme

sage tarragon(all fresh) apples, once in a while

strawberries(cooked) occasionally pears olive oil only, water to

drink only i make a lot of meat patties, or boil the meat first with

onoin and celery then slice it thin and fry in a little oil to make

crispy. "

From what I see in your list, it is highly unlikely that either of them

is getting enough carbs and I would venture to guess that they

are probably both in ketosis or close to it.

Can they tolerate some juice? What about bananas? Avocados?

Peaches? Any other fruit?

SCD was not meant to be a LOW carb diet, just a " specific " carb

diet. I really think their carb intake needs to be increased.

Jody

mom to -5 and -7

SCD 15 months

[Guest guest]

-hi kathy

boy our girls sound so familiar. i have also suspected vitamin b's

(and vitamins because i have never been able to give them a multi

without major bruising)if i can keep the fruit out and they just eat

meat and veggies jesse has beautiful poops. only two weeks into this

diet, so i am moderatly encouraged,tomorrow starts week four on the

diet'.what is your daughter disposition like on this diet, what was

she like before? what is she tolerating, why is she in this on this

diet? wher do i find about this smoky mountainn labs test? i also

just sent a long response to jenniferand migurl.

good luck with your little one please keep me posted

lisa-- In pecanbread , " Kathy Hudson " <jhud2@e...>

wrote:

>

> Hi , You are not alone in this. I was stopped and questioned

by the

> principal of my 9 yr. old daughters school. She questioned the

diet, how

> Abby looks. She said " we are so concerned because she looks so

frail and

> also because of all

> her bruises " . She is bruising easy too and they are not healing up

fast at

> all. She said " Abby's skin looks transparent! " I thought

> that was weird. She has always been fair but I am concerned about

the

> bruising as well. She is still getting over this 3 month illness

after 4

> days with a fever and cold and I am starting to question this diet

for us as

> well. We are going to do the " Metabolic Profile Analysis " from the

Great

> Smokies Labs soon. It will tell a lot about her malabsorption

issues and

> gastrointestinal function, dysbiosis, and neurotransmitters. We

think it's

> a B vitamin problem but she can't handle those so will be looking

into why.

> I have almost decided to put some foods back in that are not legal

but still

> stay modified SCD but I do not advocate that for other people.

> How long has she been on SCD, because it may be die-off. My

daughter has

> not handled die-off that well since she is getting sick from it.

She could

> be having problems with the apples too since she may have problems

with

> salicylates. I found out this was a big issue for us early on.

Hang in

> there.

> Kathy

> Abby-9, ASD, UC, SCD for 11 weeks

>

>

> > my five year olds director at preschool questioned re her diet and

> > was it medically documented or prescribed...evidently her

behavior at

> > school has been so bad for the last few weeks, crying, chewing her

> > hair even more, actually until several inches were in such a mat

we

> > had to cut off five inches, chewing on her shirt sleeves..letting

her

> > hair fall in front of her face and hiding crying refusing to

> > particapate.

> > she is celiac she was gluten free, diary free, soy free, corn free

> > and sugar free until beginning this diet. now we have taken out

eggs,

> > rice and potatos.

> >

> > is this behavior normal for this diet? also the intor diuction of

> > fruit has been a problem. we were only eating apples a few day.

now

> > we are trying more apples cooked and peeled pears...

> >

> > she is bruising so badly it looks like she has been abused.

> >

> > they want her to work with another therapist, and have a meeting

next

> > week. i felt very accused of being a bad parent and crazey mother.

> >

> > HELP>.

> >

> > lisa

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following

> websites:

> > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > and

> > http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

-hi jody, they eat veggies at every meal and snack time and they eat

quite a bit, if i give tehm more fruit they poop i t all out.

what should i do?-- In pecanbread , " Jody G. "

<momtobandj@b...> wrote:

> " this is waht they eat:

> pork, chicken, turkey, beef, codfish, flounder, applegate turkey

> dogs brocilli, cauliflower carrots, squash(jesse only) spinach

> (elizasometimes) celery, onion, ginger, garlic, rosemay thyme

> sage tarragon(all fresh) apples, once in a while

> strawberries(cooked) occasionally pears olive oil only, water to

> drink only i make a lot of meat patties, or boil the meat first

with

> onoin and celery then slice it thin and fry in a little oil to make

> crispy. "

>

> From what I see in your list, it is highly unlikely that either of

them

> is getting enough carbs and I would venture to guess that they

> are probably both in ketosis or close to it.

>

> Can they tolerate some juice? What about bananas? Avocados?

> Peaches? Any other fruit?

>

> SCD was not meant to be a LOW carb diet, just a " specific " carb

> diet. I really think their carb intake needs to be increased.

>

> Jody

> mom to -5 and -7

> SCD 15 months

[Guest guest]

-hi jody, they eat veggies at every meal and snack time and they eat

quite a bit, if i give tehm more fruit they poop i t all out.

what should i do?-- In pecanbread , " Jody G. "

<momtobandj@b...> wrote:

> " this is waht they eat:

> pork, chicken, turkey, beef, codfish, flounder, applegate turkey

> dogs brocilli, cauliflower carrots, squash(jesse only) spinach

> (elizasometimes) celery, onion, ginger, garlic, rosemay thyme

> sage tarragon(all fresh) apples, once in a while

> strawberries(cooked) occasionally pears olive oil only, water to

> drink only i make a lot of meat patties, or boil the meat first

with

> onoin and celery then slice it thin and fry in a little oil to make

> crispy. "

>

> From what I see in your list, it is highly unlikely that either of

them

> is getting enough carbs and I would venture to guess that they

> are probably both in ketosis or close to it.

>

> Can they tolerate some juice? What about bananas? Avocados?

> Peaches? Any other fruit?

>

> SCD was not meant to be a LOW carb diet, just a " specific " carb

> diet. I really think their carb intake needs to be increased.

>

> Jody

> mom to -5 and -7

> SCD 15 months

[Guest guest]

Carb content of the vegetables that you listed.

Each value is for one CUP.

Broccoli - 8g

Cauliflower - 5g

Celery - 6g

Carrots - 16g

Squash (butternut)- 22g

Squash (acorn) - 30g

Spinach - 7g

So, even if your girls ate one cup of each of these (minus the

squash since you mentioned only one of them would eat it...)

it only comes to 42 g of carbs per day.

The information the list members have been able to find

recommends between 130-165g of carbs per day.

30-40 g of carbs will keep anyone in ketosis.

I had mentioned juice. What happens when they drink juice?

Also, I didn't see your answer about whether you have tried giving

peeled, cooked fruits.

What about bananas? Avocados?

(Amount of carbs in one cup.)

apple- 23g

avocado-20g

banana - 35g

grape juice-38g

peach- 14g

pear-25g

pineapple juice-35g

strawberries-11g

Jody

mom to -5 and -7

SCD 15 months

[Guest guest]

Carb content of the vegetables that you listed.

Each value is for one CUP.

Broccoli - 8g

Cauliflower - 5g

Celery - 6g

Carrots - 16g

Squash (butternut)- 22g

Squash (acorn) - 30g

Spinach - 7g

So, even if your girls ate one cup of each of these (minus the

squash since you mentioned only one of them would eat it...)

it only comes to 42 g of carbs per day.

The information the list members have been able to find

recommends between 130-165g of carbs per day.

30-40 g of carbs will keep anyone in ketosis.

I had mentioned juice. What happens when they drink juice?

Also, I didn't see your answer about whether you have tried giving

peeled, cooked fruits.

What about bananas? Avocados?

(Amount of carbs in one cup.)

apple- 23g

avocado-20g

banana - 35g

grape juice-38g

peach- 14g

pear-25g

pineapple juice-35g

strawberries-11g

Jody

mom to -5 and -7

SCD 15 months

[Guest guest]

--they are sreaming that do want thier fruits cooked, they push the

plate away. although before i woke up today my husband fried an apple

for eliza and she loved it. jesse would eat bananas all day. i forget

that i have giving her a few bites a day for the past week. when they

have juice they have immediate diareaha(sp)jesse can't handle the

bananas. pasty poops and frequent if i let her have more than a few

bites. they are of course very salicalate and phenols sensative

still. i really appreciate your help and input, the chiropractor felt

they were getting enough veggies, but i think you are correct they

are falling short. i am going to up the fruit and try juice again.

jesse took the ultrase enzyme this morning in honey, eliza refused

it.-

i ma going to the drug store today to get some of those ket sticks.

thnaks lisaIn pecanbread , " Jody G. " <momtobandj@b...>

wrote:

> Carb content of the vegetables that you listed.

>

> Each value is for one CUP.

>

> Broccoli - 8g

> Cauliflower - 5g

> Celery - 6g

> Carrots - 16g

> Squash (butternut)- 22g

> Squash (acorn) - 30g

> Spinach - 7g

>

>

> So, even if your girls ate one cup of each of these (minus the

> squash since you mentioned only one of them would eat it...)

> it only comes to 42 g of carbs per day.

> The information the list members have been able to find

> recommends between 130-165g of carbs per day.

>

> 30-40 g of carbs will keep anyone in ketosis.

>

> I had mentioned juice. What happens when they drink juice?

>

> Also, I didn't see your answer about whether you have tried giving

> peeled, cooked fruits.

> What about bananas? Avocados?

>

> (Amount of carbs in one cup.)

> apple- 23g

> avocado-20g

> banana - 35g

> grape juice-38g

> peach- 14g

> pear-25g

> pineapple juice-35g

> strawberries-11g

>

> Jody

> mom to -5 and -7

> SCD 15 months

[Guest guest]

--they are sreaming that do want thier fruits cooked, they push the

plate away. although before i woke up today my husband fried an apple

for eliza and she loved it. jesse would eat bananas all day. i forget

that i have giving her a few bites a day for the past week. when they

have juice they have immediate diareaha(sp)jesse can't handle the

bananas. pasty poops and frequent if i let her have more than a few

bites. they are of course very salicalate and phenols sensative

still. i really appreciate your help and input, the chiropractor felt

they were getting enough veggies, but i think you are correct they

are falling short. i am going to up the fruit and try juice again.

jesse took the ultrase enzyme this morning in honey, eliza refused

it.-

i ma going to the drug store today to get some of those ket sticks.

thnaks lisaIn pecanbread , " Jody G. " <momtobandj@b...>

wrote:

> Carb content of the vegetables that you listed.

>

> Each value is for one CUP.

>

> Broccoli - 8g

> Cauliflower - 5g

> Celery - 6g

> Carrots - 16g

> Squash (butternut)- 22g

> Squash (acorn) - 30g

> Spinach - 7g

>

>

> So, even if your girls ate one cup of each of these (minus the

> squash since you mentioned only one of them would eat it...)

> it only comes to 42 g of carbs per day.

> The information the list members have been able to find

> recommends between 130-165g of carbs per day.

>

> 30-40 g of carbs will keep anyone in ketosis.

>

> I had mentioned juice. What happens when they drink juice?

>

> Also, I didn't see your answer about whether you have tried giving

> peeled, cooked fruits.

> What about bananas? Avocados?

>

> (Amount of carbs in one cup.)

> apple- 23g

> avocado-20g

> banana - 35g

> grape juice-38g

> peach- 14g

> pear-25g

> pineapple juice-35g

> strawberries-11g

>

> Jody

> mom to -5 and -7

> SCD 15 months

[Guest guest]

--they are sreaming that do want thier fruits cooked, they push the

plate away. although before i woke up today my husband fried an apple

for eliza and she loved it. jesse would eat bananas all day. i forget

that i have giving her a few bites a day for the past week. when they

have juice they have immediate diareaha(sp)jesse can't handle the

bananas. pasty poops and frequent if i let her have more than a few

bites. they are of course very salicalate and phenols sensative

still. i really appreciate your help and input, the chiropractor felt

they were getting enough veggies, but i think you are correct they

are falling short. i am going to up the fruit and try juice again.

jesse took the ultrase enzyme this morning in honey, eliza refused

it.-

i ma going to the drug store today to get some of those ket sticks.

thnaks lisaIn pecanbread , " Jody G. " <momtobandj@b...>

wrote:

> Carb content of the vegetables that you listed.

>

> Each value is for one CUP.

>

> Broccoli - 8g

> Cauliflower - 5g

> Celery - 6g

> Carrots - 16g

> Squash (butternut)- 22g

> Squash (acorn) - 30g

> Spinach - 7g

>

>

> So, even if your girls ate one cup of each of these (minus the

> squash since you mentioned only one of them would eat it...)

> it only comes to 42 g of carbs per day.

> The information the list members have been able to find

> recommends between 130-165g of carbs per day.

>

> 30-40 g of carbs will keep anyone in ketosis.

>

> I had mentioned juice. What happens when they drink juice?

>

> Also, I didn't see your answer about whether you have tried giving

> peeled, cooked fruits.

> What about bananas? Avocados?

>

> (Amount of carbs in one cup.)

> apple- 23g

> avocado-20g

> banana - 35g

> grape juice-38g

> peach- 14g

> pear-25g

> pineapple juice-35g

> strawberries-11g

>

> Jody

> mom to -5 and -7

> SCD 15 months

[Guest guest]

Well, frying apples wouldn't be my first choice of a way to make

them more easily tolerated. Frying foods generally makes them

LESS well tolerated.

You can mix fruit into their meats. You can cook fruit and puree it

until it is very smooth, then even mix different fruits together and

make popsicles.

When you are giving bananas, are you giving very ripe bananas?

No green on them at all, with some spots?

When you give juice are you watering it down at least 50%?

Have you tried avocados? They are pretty high in carbs. If they

won't eat them plain, make the avocado meat loaf (recipe on

pecanbread.com) or the avocado chicken salad.

I have no quarrel with your chiropractor who says that they are

eating enough veggies. That is probably true, but they are mostly

eating veggies that are low in carbs. Your daughters' diet

sounds almost identical to my MIL, who is purposefully trying to

stay in ketosis because of her type 2 diabetes. The only

difference is that my MIL eats very few carrots.

Jody

mom to -5 and -7

SCD 15 months

[Guest guest]

-hi jody,

yes the juice i have tried in the past has been more like 80% water

and 20% juice.

they have fit when the meats are mushy so i stoped-putting veggies

because then they wouldn't eat the meat either. iam going to try

making morefruit sauces (apple pear )

yes the bananas are very ripe.

i just made walnut flour cookies.they only tested allergic to almond

cashews pistachios. i told eliza her cookies were nut free. halfway

through the cookie she said mommy you lied to me these cookies are

making ears itch. so i need to try bean flour i guess.

thnks lisa

- In pecanbread , " Jody G. " <momtobandj@b...> wrote:

> Well, frying apples wouldn't be my first choice of a way to make

> them more easily tolerated. Frying foods generally makes them

> LESS well tolerated.

>

> You can mix fruit into their meats. You can cook fruit and puree

it

> until it is very smooth, then even mix different fruits together

and

> make popsicles.

>

> When you are giving bananas, are you giving very ripe bananas?

> No green on them at all, with some spots?

>

> When you give juice are you watering it down at least 50%?

>

> Have you tried avocados? They are pretty high in carbs. If they

> won't eat them plain, make the avocado meat loaf (recipe on

> pecanbread.com) or the avocado chicken salad.

>

> I have no quarrel with your chiropractor who says that they are

> eating enough veggies. That is probably true, but they are mostly

> eating veggies that are low in carbs. Your daughters' diet

> sounds almost identical to my MIL, who is purposefully trying to

> stay in ketosis because of her type 2 diabetes. The only

> difference is that my MIL eats very few carrots.

>

> Jody

> mom to -5 and -7

> SCD 15 months