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You should have re-certified as a tatoo artist. Better certificate.

Henry

joby wrote:

> Just received my renewal card in the mail today. What a joke. I have to say

that this is the most unprofessional looking card I have ever seen. I know that

there are probably many of you out there that have already received yours, but I

have not seen any comments. Not only is this card ridiculous but you no longer

receive an 8 x 10 certificate!!

>

> What a shame....

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> Joby Berkley

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Perhaps while the department is checking for ideas they could also

check for some funding. Seems like LE and FD get all of that too and

maybe that is why they can hand out pretty plastic cards. As I

recall this not so appealing recert card came along about the same

time our legislature cut the health department's funding.

Whatever you get has to be paid for. What do you want? A pretty card

or some other more valuable services?

Larry

> TDH needs to check their neighbor agency for some ideas!!

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Just for kicks tell me what TDH does for you. I have no doubt that the

budget was the reason we now get an unprofessional looking card. You have to

admit that even our voter registration card looks better than what we get

now. I wonder if they are going to phase out the TDH cards and adopt the NR

card to take its place. Just a thought; Nothing to back it up.

I will add that I am not going to start calling my elected officials, but it

just goes to show you that EMS is on the bottom rung of the public safety

ladder. I am curious as to what TDH gives other medical professionals, RN,

RT, PT etc...

Joby Berkley

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> Perhaps while the department is checking for ideas they could also

> check for some funding. Seems like LE and FD get all of that too and

> maybe that is why they can hand out pretty plastic cards. As I

> recall this not so appealing recert card came along about the same

> time our legislature cut the health department's funding.

>

> Whatever you get has to be paid for. What do you want? A pretty card

> or some other more valuable services?

>

> Larry

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> > TDH needs to check their neighbor agency for some ideas!!

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> > Joby Berkley

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They can't blame the looks of the cards on budget. My firefighter

certification card looks a whole lot better than the new TDH recert cards.

Firefighter certification is only $20.00 a year and I get a new card every

year. TDH charges me $100.00 and is fixing to go up. I should get a card

that at least will last the 4 years. If they want to make money start

charging the volunteer services for their ambulance renewals. I bet the

ambulance services charge their patients. They make money just like everyone

else. I'm not saying charge the volunteers themselves, just the ambulance

renewal. They could charge the volunteers just for the card, the rest of us

already pay for a card. If TDH can show me where it cost $100.00 to reissue

my card I will apologize to them.

Ronnie Morton

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Perhaps while the department is checking for ideas they could also

check for some funding. Seems like LE and FD get all of that too and

maybe that is why they can hand out pretty plastic cards. As I

recall this not so appealing recert card came along about the same

time our legislature cut the health department's funding.

Whatever you get has to be paid for. What do you want? A pretty card

or some other more valuable services?

Larry

> TDH needs to check their neighbor agency for some ideas!!

>

>

> Joby Berkley

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Your $100 contributes to a great deal more than just your card. Your $100 helps

pay for many things the state does on your behalf, like:

1) Develop rules an policies to regulate EMS an try to keep idiots like the

" honk, honk " medic out of Texas EMS.

2) Run an investigatory office to do the same and enforce the rules.

3) Help facilitate meetings to get hospitals and EMS to work togethr better to

provide better care for patients

4) Regulate and supervise EMS training program to help ensure your next partner

is not incompetent.

5) Help EMS agencies respond to chaning rules and policies and help them provide

better care and service through tech assistance efforts

6) Runs a fairly sophesticated website that allows for certification

verification and easy access to EMS information from state and regional

resources.

7) Hosts one of the best state EMS conferences in the nation

8) etc, etc, etc

You get all of that for just $100 per four years. Or $25 every year or $2 per

month or $0.48 per week.

To me, that seems like a deal and I pay more than just $100 since I am also a

course coordinator. I have been honored to work with TDH staff members from a

variety of regional offices as well as from the main office and I have been,

without exception, impressed by their dedication and concern for the industry.

While you are complaining about a mere $100 certification fee every four years,

many of them are facing job uncertaintity the likes of which many of us will

not ever face. I for one vote to increase the fees by about 100% accross the

board and get them the funding they desperatly need!

Steve Dralle

San , TX

(Of course, these are my opinions and not those of my employer)

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They can't blame the looks of the cards on budget. My firefighter

certification card looks a whole lot better than the new TDH recert cards.

Firefighter certification is only $20.00 a year and I get a new card every

year. TDH charges me $100.00 and is fixing to go up. I should get a card

that at least will last the 4 years. If they want to make money start

charging the volunteer services for their ambulance renewals. I bet the

ambulance services charge their patients. They make money just like everyone

else. I'm not saying charge the volunteers themselves, just the ambulance

renewal. They could charge the volunteers just for the card, the rest of us

already pay for a card. If TDH can show me where it cost $100.00 to reissue

my card I will apologize to them.

Ronnie Morton

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Your $100 contributes to a great deal more than just your card. Your $100 helps

pay for many things the state does on your behalf, like:

1) Develop rules an policies to regulate EMS an try to keep idiots like the

" honk, honk " medic out of Texas EMS.

2) Run an investigatory office to do the same and enforce the rules.

3) Help facilitate meetings to get hospitals and EMS to work togethr better to

provide better care for patients

4) Regulate and supervise EMS training program to help ensure your next partner

is not incompetent.

5) Help EMS agencies respond to chaning rules and policies and help them provide

better care and service through tech assistance efforts

6) Runs a fairly sophesticated website that allows for certification

verification and easy access to EMS information from state and regional

resources.

7) Hosts one of the best state EMS conferences in the nation

8) etc, etc, etc

You get all of that for just $100 per four years. Or $25 every year or $2 per

month or $0.48 per week.

To me, that seems like a deal and I pay more than just $100 since I am also a

course coordinator. I have been honored to work with TDH staff members from a

variety of regional offices as well as from the main office and I have been,

without exception, impressed by their dedication and concern for the industry.

While you are complaining about a mere $100 certification fee every four years,

many of them are facing job uncertaintity the likes of which many of us will

not ever face. I for one vote to increase the fees by about 100% accross the

board and get them the funding they desperatly need!

Steve Dralle

San , TX

(Of course, these are my opinions and not those of my employer)

RE: Re: TDH Renewal ID

They can't blame the looks of the cards on budget. My firefighter

certification card looks a whole lot better than the new TDH recert cards.

Firefighter certification is only $20.00 a year and I get a new card every

year. TDH charges me $100.00 and is fixing to go up. I should get a card

that at least will last the 4 years. If they want to make money start

charging the volunteer services for their ambulance renewals. I bet the

ambulance services charge their patients. They make money just like everyone

else. I'm not saying charge the volunteers themselves, just the ambulance

renewal. They could charge the volunteers just for the card, the rest of us

already pay for a card. If TDH can show me where it cost $100.00 to reissue

my card I will apologize to them.

Ronnie Morton

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A few years back there was a move within the legislature to drastically

reduce state funding of " nonessential " agencies and departments, moving

instead to funding by way of user fees placed upon the " regulated

community " . Folks, *we* are the " regulated community " , and yes, fees will

probably be going up. In their efforts to cut taxes with no loss of services

the lege has left few options. If we want something new or wish to retain

something it must be funded from within. I may be wrong, but I don't think

fire or law enforcement are required to meet the same burden.

Ronnie, I don't like the looks of the card either, but I think we have

bigger fish to fry.

Regards,

Donn

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Perhaps while the department is checking for ideas they could also

check for some funding. Seems like LE and FD get all of that too and

maybe that is why they can hand out pretty plastic cards. As I

recall this not so appealing recert card came along about the same

time our legislature cut the health department's funding.

Whatever you get has to be paid for. What do you want? A pretty card

or some other more valuable services?

Larry

> TDH needs to check their neighbor agency for some ideas!!

>

>

> Joby Berkley

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A few years back there was a move within the legislature to drastically

reduce state funding of " nonessential " agencies and departments, moving

instead to funding by way of user fees placed upon the " regulated

community " . Folks, *we* are the " regulated community " , and yes, fees will

probably be going up. In their efforts to cut taxes with no loss of services

the lege has left few options. If we want something new or wish to retain

something it must be funded from within. I may be wrong, but I don't think

fire or law enforcement are required to meet the same burden.

Ronnie, I don't like the looks of the card either, but I think we have

bigger fish to fry.

Regards,

Donn

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Don't Miss EMStock 2004

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Re: TDH Renewal ID

Perhaps while the department is checking for ideas they could also

check for some funding. Seems like LE and FD get all of that too and

maybe that is why they can hand out pretty plastic cards. As I

recall this not so appealing recert card came along about the same

time our legislature cut the health department's funding.

Whatever you get has to be paid for. What do you want? A pretty card

or some other more valuable services?

Larry

> TDH needs to check their neighbor agency for some ideas!!

>

>

> Joby Berkley

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Joby,

I understand where your coming from. I brought this to the

attention of GETAC and BEM at the August 2003 meeting in Austin. I

understand where they are coming from also. So I suggested the

possibility of BEM having a box or something each person can check

and pay an additional $5-$10 for the Certificate and Card. I was told

they would look into this. I know there may be some legal reason they

cannot do this. I certainly would think if it cost them $1 for the

certificate-postage, they could not complain about a $4-$9 profit as

short of funds as they are. I know BEM monitors this group, so

perhaps someone in the know can tell us where this issue now stands.

Thanks,

Ron

> Just received my renewal card in the mail today. What a joke. I

have to say that this is the most unprofessional looking card I have

ever seen. I know that there are probably many of you out there that

have already received yours, but I have not seen any comments. Not

only is this card ridiculous but you no longer receive an 8 x 10

certificate!!

>

> What a shame....

>

> Joby Berkley

>

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Thanks Ron. I emailed the TDH certification inquiry folks to see about the

wall certificate. According to one of their replies in the database our wall

certificates do not have an expiration date. Well, mine does and I want to

know if they supply new ones to replace the one's that have an expiration

date.

Joby Berkley

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> Joby,

> I understand where your coming from. I brought this to the

> attention of GETAC and BEM at the August 2003 meeting in Austin. I

> understand where they are coming from also. So I suggested the

> possibility of BEM having a box or something each person can check

> and pay an additional $5-$10 for the Certificate and Card. I was told

> they would look into this. I know there may be some legal reason they

> cannot do this. I certainly would think if it cost them $1 for the

> certificate-postage, they could not complain about a $4-$9 profit as

> short of funds as they are. I know BEM monitors this group, so

> perhaps someone in the know can tell us where this issue now stands.

> Thanks,

> Ron

>

> > Just received my renewal card in the mail today. What a joke. I

> have to say that this is the most unprofessional looking card I have

> ever seen. I know that there are probably many of you out there that

> have already received yours, but I have not seen any comments. Not

> only is this card ridiculous but you no longer receive an 8 x 10

> certificate!!

> >

> > What a shame....

> >

> > Joby Berkley

> >

> >

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Why is everyone worried about a piece of paper? Does having a really nice cert

make you a better medic? I think not. Or do we just want a nice flashy cert to

brag to our friends and family about? I for one do not care if it was made in

Crayola, it is a piece of paper, not a diploma. just my .02 worth.

Salvador Capuchino, Jr.

EMT-Paramedic

Valley EMS

www.valleyems.com

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> Joby,

> I understand where your coming from. I brought this to the

> attention of GETAC and BEM at the August 2003 meeting in Austin. I

> understand where they are coming from also. So I suggested the

> possibility of BEM having a box or something each person can check

> and pay an additional $5-$10 for the Certificate and Card. I was told

> they would look into this. I know there may be some legal reason they

> cannot do this. I certainly would think if it cost them $1 for the

> certificate-postage, they could not complain about a $4-$9 profit as

> short of funds as they are. I know BEM monitors this group, so

> perhaps someone in the know can tell us where this issue now stands.

> Thanks,

> Ron

>

> > Just received my renewal card in the mail today. What a joke. I

> have to say that this is the most unprofessional looking card I have

> ever seen. I know that there are probably many of you out there that

> have already received yours, but I have not seen any comments. Not

> only is this card ridiculous but you no longer receive an 8 x 10

> certificate!!

> >

> > What a shame....

> >

> > Joby Berkley

> >

> >

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You know, I've sat back and listen to everyone complain about a piece of

paper all week long. What difference does it make. The fees are what they

are, whether you get a certificate or card or not. The only ones that are

going to ask to see it are your employer or a representative from the state.

They all know what it looks like. Don't you all think there are more

important things to rag on TDH about other than a certificate or card?

Maybe the state doesn't make money on the conference each year. It is most

likely the heaviest attended and best organized EMS conference in the

country each and every year.

(and you know what......everyone there has the same type of ID card. Crappy

or not, it still identifies you as a certified EMS professional)

To reinforce the sentiments of a few others here: The card doesn't make you

any more professional, your ethics are what determine that.

Now, on to more important matters. Who's going to the EMStock?

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Thom,

Well said. There is a difference between pride and ego and some folks know

what that is.

And I'll be at EMStock.

Regards,

Donn

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You know, I've sat back and listen to everyone complain about a piece of

paper all week long. What difference does it make. The fees are what they

are, whether you get a certificate or card or not. The only ones that are

going to ask to see it are your employer or a representative from the state.

They all know what it looks like. Don't you all think there are more

important things to rag on TDH about other than a certificate or card?

Maybe the state doesn't make money on the conference each year. It is most

likely the heaviest attended and best organized EMS conference in the

country each and every year.

(and you know what......everyone there has the same type of ID card. Crappy

or not, it still identifies you as a certified EMS professional)

To reinforce the sentiments of a few others here: The card doesn't make you

any more professional, your ethics are what determine that.

Now, on to more important matters. Who's going to the EMStock?

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Thom,

I think you'll find that most of us take great Pride in our Profession, and

we would like a Professional Certificate/License. If we're paying for it ,then

what's the problem? Is there problem with those of us that don't really care to

have a non Professional Crayola type certification/license/ paper/wallet card

that cost 10- 20 cents to make? We sure didn't like the original EMS License

Plate that was coming out and did everything possible to change it. Maybe it's

because some of us take great Pride in everything we do or have. I would think

that is a GOOD thing in a Profession. Is it not? No you don't have to have a

nice certificate/wallet card to have Pride. No, but it's the Pride you take in

what you have, and that reflects in what you do in any Profession. Would anyone

on here summit a budget request in Crayola and expect to be taken seriously?

Some folks may feel this issue is more important than EMS Stock.

For the last 4 years I keep hearing about the Texas EMS Conference in regards

to making money, being eliminated, and so forth. Every year I ask the folks that

are responsible at BEM and every year they tell me " yes it makes money, and will

be around for years to come " . So, after four years I don't even put any

creditability on the EMS Conference Rumors on here or just from word of mouth. I

go to the source in person, or by phone.

Just my 2 cents,

Ron

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You know, I've sat back and listen to everyone complain about a piece of

paper all week long. What difference does it make. The fees are what they

are, whether you get a certificate or card or not. The only ones that are

going to ask to see it are your employer or a representative from the state.

They all know what it looks like. Don't you all think there are more

important things to rag on TDH about other than a certificate or card?

Maybe the state doesn't make money on the conference each year. It is most

likely the heaviest attended and best organized EMS conference in the

country each and every year.

(and you know what......everyone there has the same type of ID card. Crappy

or not, it still identifies you as a certified EMS professional)

To reinforce the sentiments of a few others here: The card doesn't make you

any more professional, your ethics are what determine that.

Now, on to more important matters. Who's going to the EMStock?

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You ought to see my medical license from the TSBME. Printed with a dot

matrix printer on cardstock little thicker than bible paper. Sometimes you

can't read some of it (and our renewals are about $200.00 a year)

Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, TX

Ours is a useful trade, a worthy calling: with all its lightness and

frivolity it has one serious purpose, one aim, one specialty, and it is

constant to it--the deriding of shams, the exposure of pretentious

falsities, the laughing of stupid superstitions out of existence; and that

whoso is by instinct engaged in this sort of warfare is the natural enemy of

royalties, nobilities, privileges and all kindred swindles, and the natural

friend of human rights and human liberties.

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Ron,

I submit to you this question.

Who do you " show off " your EMS certification card to?

Just MY 2 cents,

-Thom

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I don't " show off " my EMS certification card to anyone. Why would I want to

" show off " ? I think I'm a little old for that, and 28 years in EMS I don't have

to impress anyone. Why do you possibly have a problem with myself or others

wanting a professional looking card? What is the problem with that, and we're

willing to pay for it with our money? If someone ask to see it I don't mind, but

I certainly would like to show a professional looking card. If you don't care

about that, then that's up to you. It's a free Country the last I checked.

Ron

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Ron,

I submit to you this question.

Who do you " show off " your EMS certification card to?

Just MY 2 cents,

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Which rule requires you to carry the card?

Maxine Pate

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DPS can manage to print professional looking Driver's licenses for $25 a

pop or so. My $100 or more to TDH gets me an ill-folding paper card I'm

required by rule to carry.

Mike :)

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ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! Just as doctor's and lawyers have their framed

certifications and diplomas hanging on their walls, I proudly display mine also.

I am

glad that we are finally getting the opportunity to get " degree " to hang on our

walls too. There is nothing wrong with wanting to display your pride in

something you worked so hard to accomplish.

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Salvador,

The reason I would like a " piece of paper " like the old ones is pride. I am

proud to be a paramedic in the state of Texas. I am proud of all the work I put

into my certification. I am proud of what I do for my communities. What is

wrong with wanting a certification on my wall.

Salvador Capuchino wrote:

Why is everyone worried about a piece of paper? Does having a really nice cert

make you a better medic? I think not. Or do we just want a nice flashy cert to

brag to our friends and family about? I for one do not care if it was made in

Crayola, it is a piece of paper, not a diploma. just my .02 worth.

Salvador Capuchino, Jr.

EMT-Paramedic

Valley EMS

www.valleyems.com

salvadorcapuchino@...

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What disappoints me most is that I let my cert go awhile back, now that

everything has gone from TDH, to NR (which I was never certified NR) NO ONE can

tell me what exactly I have to do to get my cert back. I have contacted TDH,

there is a different story depending on who you're talking to. All my CE's are

UTD, and so are my skills verification, but no one seems to be able to figure

out

how to get me certified again.

If someone can answer THIS question correctly, I'd be greatly appreciative...

Once upon a time I was a good medic......

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I am sorry. I was not referring to the wall certificate. I was referring to the

wallet ID. The ones we have now are okay. The only one thing that I was

disappointed with was the quality of the state exam when I took it in 2000. It

was very poor for something the state was providing. It would be nice to have a

computerized one that would give you results as soon as you are done with it.

But oh well.

Salvador Capuchino, Jr.

EMT-Paramedic

Valley EMS

www.valleyems.com

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Salvador,

The reason I would like a " piece of paper " like the old ones is pride. I am

proud to be a paramedic in the state of Texas. I am proud of all the work I put

into my certification. I am proud of what I do for my communities. What is

wrong with wanting a certification on my wall.

Salvador Capuchino wrote:

Why is everyone worried about a piece of paper? Does having a really nice cert

make you a better medic? I think not. Or do we just want a nice flashy cert to

brag to our friends and family about? I for one do not care if it was made in

Crayola, it is a piece of paper, not a diploma. just my .02 worth.

Salvador Capuchino, Jr.

EMT-Paramedic

Valley EMS

www.valleyems.com

salvadorcapuchino@...

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I understand what you are going through, I just finished helping a friend get

back into EMS after being expired. If you have been expired for less than 7

years than you can simply apply for Inactive status and from there you will be

required to follow the steps for inactive back to active which includes a Recert

Course which is 96 hours at the Paramedic level.

I was told that the seven years is the time you remain in the BEM system,

however they are attempting to make changes where you can only apply for

inactive status prior to your expiration date not after, so it would benefit you

to hurry.

If you will call the BEM and speak with Phil Lockwood, EMS Standards Program

Management, he can give you the correct information. His number is

.

Hope this helps.

, LP

Flight Paramedic

Memorial Hermann Life Flight

Houston, Texas

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What disappoints me most is that I let my cert go awhile back, now that

everything has gone from TDH, to NR (which I was never certified NR) NO ONE

can

tell me what exactly I have to do to get my cert back. I have contacted TDH,

there is a different story depending on who you're talking to. All my CE's are

UTD, and so are my skills verification, but no one seems to be able to figure

out

how to get me certified again.

If someone can answer THIS question correctly, I'd be greatly appreciative...

Once upon a time I was a good medic......

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Dear cllw602@a...:

Email me directly (include your identity) and I'll explain your

options the best I can. Perhaps you got " different stories " because

the staff member tried to answer your question without knowing or

looking up your previous certification status.

The recertification process for a candidate whose certificate expired

less than 90 days before is different from one who has been expired

from 91 days to a year, and still another for one whose expiration

date was over a year ago. Further, the rules limit re-entry

recertification to within one year after certification expiration

unless one obtains inactive certification - and then only if TDH

still retains the records of your expired certification (records

retention policies require disposal after a limited time). For more

information, see 157.34(f)(6) and 157.33(j), or contact me directly.

On the other hand, we're all human, so I acknowledge the possibility

that you simply got incorrect or conflicting information. If that's

the case, let me know who misguided you and I'll see that they're re-

informed.

Phil Lockwood

EMS Standards Program

Bureau of Emergency Management

> What disappoints me most is that I let my cert go awhile back, now

that

> everything has gone from TDH, to NR (which I was never certified

NR) NO ONE can

> tell me what exactly I have to do to get my cert back. I have

contacted TDH,

> there is a different story depending on who you're talking to. All

my CE's are

> UTD, and so are my skills verification, but no one seems to be able

to figure out

> how to get me certified again.

>

> If someone can answer THIS question correctly, I'd be greatly

appreciative...

> Once upon a time I was a good medic......

>

>

>

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There is little I can think of that would frightening me as much as the

threat of " re-education " by Phil Lockwood.

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Donn

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Dear cllw602@a...:

Email me directly (include your identity) and I'll explain your options the

best I can. Perhaps you got " different stories " because the staff member

tried to answer your question without knowing or looking up your previous

certification status.

The recertification process for a candidate whose certificate expired less

than 90 days before is different from one who has been expired from 91 days

to a year, and still another for one whose expiration date was over a year

ago. Further, the rules limit re-entry recertification to within one year

after certification expiration unless one obtains inactive certification -

and then only if TDH still retains the records of your expired certification

(records retention policies require disposal after a limited time). For

more information, see 157.34(f)(6) and 157.33(j), or contact me directly.

On the other hand, we're all human, so I acknowledge the possibility that

you simply got incorrect or conflicting information. If that's the case, let

me know who misguided you and I'll see that they're re- informed.

Phil Lockwood

EMS Standards Program

Bureau of Emergency Management

> What disappoints me most is that I let my cert go awhile back, now

that

> everything has gone from TDH, to NR (which I was never certified

NR) NO ONE can

> tell me what exactly I have to do to get my cert back. I have

contacted TDH,

> there is a different story depending on who you're talking to. All

my CE's are

> UTD, and so are my skills verification, but no one seems to be able

to figure out

> how to get me certified again.

>

> If someone can answer THIS question correctly, I'd be greatly

appreciative...

> Once upon a time I was a good medic......

>

>

>

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