Re: Balance testing equipment recommendation

[Guest guest]

Brad--As the proud owner of a Biodex Balance System, I recommend that you put

the money into Christmas bonuses for your staff to aide in retention, and/or

continuing ed $.  My unit sits in the corner, used perhaps an hour or so a week,

and I have seen far more expensive equipment sitting in the corner at other

clinics...I personally feel that unless you are using it specifically as a

marketing tool, which in your case seems unnecessary (based on your facility)

that these units are becoming the balance equivalent of the Cybex/Kincom that

you " had to have " if you were going to rehab an ACL repair.   Buy some really

good, really cheap balance equipment like BOSU balls, bonus your staff, educate

them. You'll get just as good results for your patients.  Jeff Woodruff, PT,

GCS.  Woodruff PT, Chester ,NH

Subject: Balance testing equipment recommendation

To: PTManager

Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment. The

population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older adults

at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post balance testing

and potentially for balance retraining.

Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

Thank you,

Brad King, PT

Assistant Supervisor

Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

Mayo Clinic, Rochester

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[Guest guest]

Brad,

We tested the Biodex Balance System for several weeks. All of us came to the

conclusion that it is an overpriced gadget. We currently use a couple of

different foam products, a Bosu and a 70's mini-tramp. I agree with Jeff, save

your money.

Jon Mark Pleasant,PT

Methodist Medical Center

>

>

>

> Subject: Balance testing equipment recommendation

> To: PTManager

> Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

>

>

> I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment. The

population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older adults

at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post balance testing

and potentially for balance retraining.

>

> Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

> Thank you,

>

> Brad King, PT

> Assistant Supervisor

> Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

> Mayo Clinic, Rochester

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline and

your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the full

group.

>

> Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit {POPTS} is a serious threat to our

professions. PTManager is not available to support POPTS-model practices. The

description of PTManager group includes the following:

> " PTManager believes in and supports Therapist-owned Therapy Practices ONLY "

> Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will not be approved

>

> PTManager encourages participation in your professional association.  Join

APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

>

> Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

>

[Guest guest]

That's funny that you guys bring up the topic of Balance Units. I just had the

Biodex rep in my office selling me on the Biodex Balance SD unit. I was actually

considering it, even though I've resisted for many years. I guess from a

practical perspective it won't be used that much, but as a marketing tool

especially for the Medicare fall prevention population it may be good. After

reading your texts I'm now second guessing myself.

Mike Rizkalla

Trinity, NJ

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Balance testing equipment recommendation

> To: PTManager

> Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

>

>

> I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment. The

population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older adults

at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post balance testing

and potentially for balance retraining.

>

> Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

> Thank you,

>

> Brad King, PT

> Assistant Supervisor

> Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

> Mayo Clinic, Rochester

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline and

your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the full

group.

>

> Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit {POPTS} is a serious threat to our

professions. PTManager is not available to support POPTS-model practices. The

description of PTManager group includes the following:

> " PTManager believes in and supports Therapist-owned Therapy Practices ONLY "

> Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will not be approved

>

> PTManager encourages participation in your professional association.  Join

APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

>

> Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

>

[Guest guest]

In the past 3 weeks we have started using the Wii with the Wii fit board. Can't

report on any results, however, the patients enjoy it. Also addresses goals of

balance, coordination, weight shift, promote WB at an involved extremity. Can be

objective and quantifiable for documentation. ie number of times patient hit

soccer ball per game as well as other numeric values and times to complete task.

Inexpensive, $350 total for TV, Wii console and Wii fit.

Roll PT, OCS, FAAOMPT

Ocean Springs, MS

www.ptcos.com

> >

> >

> > From: medcity_pt <baking@>

> > Subject: Balance testing equipment recommendation

> > To: PTManager

> > Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

> >

> >

> > I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment. The

population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older adults

at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post balance testing

and potentially for balance retraining.

> >

> > Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Brad King, PT

> > Assistant Supervisor

> > Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

> > Mayo Clinic, Rochester

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline and

your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the full

group.

> >

> > Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit {POPTS} is a serious threat to

our professions. PTManager is not available to support POPTS-model practices.

The description of PTManager group includes the following:

> > " PTManager believes in and supports Therapist-owned Therapy Practices ONLY "

> > Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will not be approved

> >

> > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association.  Join

APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

> >

> > Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

> >

[Guest guest]

I am fall proof certified, a program designed to reduce falls in the community

dwelling elderly individual. We use a balance test pre and post called the FAB

test. it gives a numerical value for a final score giving you the quantative

value you need for documentation and to show progression.

Egbert PT WCC CKTP CLT

Draper rehab

Draper, UT

jeff@... wrote:

>Brad--As the proud owner of a Biodex Balance System, I recommend that you put

the money into Christmas bonuses for your staff to aide in retention, and/or

continuing ed $.  My unit sits in the corner, used perhaps an hour or so a

week, and I have seen far more expensive equipment sitting in the corner at

other clinics...I personally feel that unless you are using it specifically as a

marketing tool, which in your case seems unnecessary (based on your facility)

that these units are becoming the balance equivalent of the Cybex/Kincom that

you " had to have " if you were going to rehab an ACL repair.   Buy some really

good, really cheap balance equipment like BOSU balls, bonus your staff, educate

them. You'll get just as good results for your patients.  Jeff Woodruff, PT,

GCS.  Woodruff PT, Chester ,NH

>

>

>

>

>

>Subject: Balance testing equipment recommendation

>To: PTManager

>Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

>

>

>I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment. The

population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older adults

at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post balance testing

and potentially for balance retraining.

>

>Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

>Thank you,

>

>Brad King, PT

>Assistant Supervisor

>Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

>Mayo Clinic, Rochester

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline and

your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the full

group.

>

>Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit {POPTS} is a serious threat to our

professions. PTManager is not available to support POPTS-model practices. The

description of PTManager group includes the following:

> " PTManager believes in and supports Therapist-owned Therapy Practices ONLY "

>Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will not be approved

>

>PTManager encourages participation in your professional association.  Join

APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

>

>Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

>

[Guest guest]

I am fall proof certified, a program designed to reduce falls in the community

dwelling elderly individual. We use a balance test pre and post called the FAB

test. it gives a numerical value for a final score giving you the quantative

value you need for documentation and to show progression.

Egbert PT WCC CKTP CLT

Draper rehab

Draper, UT

jeff@... wrote:

>Brad--As the proud owner of a Biodex Balance System, I recommend that you put

the money into Christmas bonuses for your staff to aide in retention, and/or

continuing ed $.  My unit sits in the corner, used perhaps an hour or so a

week, and I have seen far more expensive equipment sitting in the corner at

other clinics...I personally feel that unless you are using it specifically as a

marketing tool, which in your case seems unnecessary (based on your facility)

that these units are becoming the balance equivalent of the Cybex/Kincom that

you " had to have " if you were going to rehab an ACL repair.   Buy some really

good, really cheap balance equipment like BOSU balls, bonus your staff, educate

them. You'll get just as good results for your patients.  Jeff Woodruff, PT,

GCS.  Woodruff PT, Chester ,NH

>

>

>

>

>

>Subject: Balance testing equipment recommendation

>To: PTManager

>Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

>

>

>I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment. The

population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older adults

at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post balance testing

and potentially for balance retraining.

>

>Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

>Thank you,

>

>Brad King, PT

>Assistant Supervisor

>Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

>Mayo Clinic, Rochester

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline and

your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the full

group.

>

>Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit {POPTS} is a serious threat to our

professions. PTManager is not available to support POPTS-model practices. The

description of PTManager group includes the following:

> " PTManager believes in and supports Therapist-owned Therapy Practices ONLY "

>Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will not be approved

>

>PTManager encourages participation in your professional association.  Join

APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

>

>Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

>

[Guest guest]

I am fall proof certified, a program designed to reduce falls in the community

dwelling elderly individual. We use a balance test pre and post called the FAB

test. it gives a numerical value for a final score giving you the quantative

value you need for documentation and to show progression.

Egbert PT WCC CKTP CLT

Draper rehab

Draper, UT

jeff@... wrote:

>Brad--As the proud owner of a Biodex Balance System, I recommend that you put

the money into Christmas bonuses for your staff to aide in retention, and/or

continuing ed $.  My unit sits in the corner, used perhaps an hour or so a

week, and I have seen far more expensive equipment sitting in the corner at

other clinics...I personally feel that unless you are using it specifically as a

marketing tool, which in your case seems unnecessary (based on your facility)

that these units are becoming the balance equivalent of the Cybex/Kincom that

you " had to have " if you were going to rehab an ACL repair.   Buy some really

good, really cheap balance equipment like BOSU balls, bonus your staff, educate

them. You'll get just as good results for your patients.  Jeff Woodruff, PT,

GCS.  Woodruff PT, Chester ,NH

>

>

>

>

>

>Subject: Balance testing equipment recommendation

>To: PTManager

>Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

>

>

>I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment. The

population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older adults

at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post balance testing

and potentially for balance retraining.

>

>Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

>Thank you,

>

>Brad King, PT

>Assistant Supervisor

>Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

>Mayo Clinic, Rochester

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline and

your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the full

group.

>

>Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit {POPTS} is a serious threat to our

professions. PTManager is not available to support POPTS-model practices. The

description of PTManager group includes the following:

> " PTManager believes in and supports Therapist-owned Therapy Practices ONLY "

>Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will not be approved

>

>PTManager encourages participation in your professional association.  Join

APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

>

>Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

>

[Guest guest]

On ANOTHER NOTE

My Clinic (as well as our 2 other clinics) have had GREAT results with our

BIODEX SD. Have utilized it for 2 years now and been very happy with what

we do. We use as an ADJUNCT to all our balance patients, LE post op

patients (both young athletes and total joint patients). An ADJUNCT to our

other clinical utilizations, i.e. BOSU, Speed Pulley's, etc...an ADJUCT

We have benefited from a successful marketing return to our physicians as

well as to the PUBLIC. The FREE Fall Screen that we market gets a lot of

patients through the door, and a few of our referral sources are particular

to the Fall Index Score and Protocol Result s we communicate to them. I

would contend that we have more than paid for it in our 2 years of use.

NOW, that being said..I would seek out a used one FIRST, cut the cost to

50%-60%.........we did this and get the updated software support that is

required and service. I would recommend a vendor we use. VONCO

Medical...www.voncomed.com...Ask for Stan.

Would be happy to answer any more questions off line if needed.

Merry Christmas and Best of Luck to EVERYONE next year in these challenging

times of LESS $$$$$.

Kevyn Soupiset, PT, MPT

" Success often comes from taking a misstep in the right direction. "

Progressive Therapy & Sports Medicine

117 W. 6th

Larned, KS 67550

Ph:

Fax

www.progressive-larned.com

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From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf

Of dougrollptocs

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:51 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: Balance testing equipment recommendation

In the past 3 weeks we have started using the Wii with the Wii fit board.

Can't report on any results, however, the patients enjoy it. Also addresses

goals of balance, coordination, weight shift, promote WB at an involved

extremity. Can be objective and quantifiable for documentation. ie number of

times patient hit soccer ball per game as well as other numeric values and

times to complete task.

Inexpensive, $350 total for TV, Wii console and Wii fit.

Roll PT, OCS, FAAOMPT

Ocean Springs, MS

www.ptcos.com

> >

> >

> > From: medcity_pt <baking@>

> > Subject: Balance testing equipment recommendation

> > To: PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

> >

> >

> > I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment.

The population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older

adults at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post

balance testing and potentially for balance retraining.

> >

> > Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Brad King, PT

> > Assistant Supervisor

> > Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

> > Mayo Clinic, Rochester

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline

and your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the

full group.

> >

> > Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit {POPTS} is a serious threat

to our professions. PTManager is not available to support POPTS-model

practices. The description of PTManager group includes the following:

> > " PTManager believes in and supports Therapist-owned Therapy Practices

ONLY "

> > Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will not be approved

> >

> > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association.

Join APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

> >

> > Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

> >

[Guest guest]

On ANOTHER NOTE

My Clinic (as well as our 2 other clinics) have had GREAT results with our

BIODEX SD. Have utilized it for 2 years now and been very happy with what

we do. We use as an ADJUNCT to all our balance patients, LE post op

patients (both young athletes and total joint patients). An ADJUNCT to our

other clinical utilizations, i.e. BOSU, Speed Pulley's, etc...an ADJUCT

We have benefited from a successful marketing return to our physicians as

well as to the PUBLIC. The FREE Fall Screen that we market gets a lot of

patients through the door, and a few of our referral sources are particular

to the Fall Index Score and Protocol Result s we communicate to them. I

would contend that we have more than paid for it in our 2 years of use.

NOW, that being said..I would seek out a used one FIRST, cut the cost to

50%-60%.........we did this and get the updated software support that is

required and service. I would recommend a vendor we use. VONCO

Medical...www.voncomed.com...Ask for Stan.

Would be happy to answer any more questions off line if needed.

Merry Christmas and Best of Luck to EVERYONE next year in these challenging

times of LESS $$$$$.

Kevyn Soupiset, PT, MPT

" Success often comes from taking a misstep in the right direction. "

Progressive Therapy & Sports Medicine

117 W. 6th

Larned, KS 67550

Ph:

Fax

www.progressive-larned.com

<http://www.elocallink.tv/vp6/spon-fcsa_a.php?fvm=1 & sponid=AjUFMg5rVjtUYg== &

v>

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From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf

Of dougrollptocs

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:51 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: Balance testing equipment recommendation

In the past 3 weeks we have started using the Wii with the Wii fit board.

Can't report on any results, however, the patients enjoy it. Also addresses

goals of balance, coordination, weight shift, promote WB at an involved

extremity. Can be objective and quantifiable for documentation. ie number of

times patient hit soccer ball per game as well as other numeric values and

times to complete task.

Inexpensive, $350 total for TV, Wii console and Wii fit.

Roll PT, OCS, FAAOMPT

Ocean Springs, MS

www.ptcos.com

> >

> >

> > From: medcity_pt <baking@>

> > Subject: Balance testing equipment recommendation

> > To: PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

> >

> >

> > I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment.

The population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older

adults at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post

balance testing and potentially for balance retraining.

> >

> > Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Brad King, PT

> > Assistant Supervisor

> > Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

> > Mayo Clinic, Rochester

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline

and your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the

full group.

> >

> > Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit {POPTS} is a serious threat

to our professions. PTManager is not available to support POPTS-model

practices. The description of PTManager group includes the following:

> > " PTManager believes in and supports Therapist-owned Therapy Practices

ONLY "

> > Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will not be approved

> >

> > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association.

Join APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

> >

> > Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

> >

[Guest guest]

On ANOTHER NOTE

My Clinic (as well as our 2 other clinics) have had GREAT results with our

BIODEX SD. Have utilized it for 2 years now and been very happy with what

we do. We use as an ADJUNCT to all our balance patients, LE post op

patients (both young athletes and total joint patients). An ADJUNCT to our

other clinical utilizations, i.e. BOSU, Speed Pulley's, etc...an ADJUCT

We have benefited from a successful marketing return to our physicians as

well as to the PUBLIC. The FREE Fall Screen that we market gets a lot of

patients through the door, and a few of our referral sources are particular

to the Fall Index Score and Protocol Result s we communicate to them. I

would contend that we have more than paid for it in our 2 years of use.

NOW, that being said..I would seek out a used one FIRST, cut the cost to

50%-60%.........we did this and get the updated software support that is

required and service. I would recommend a vendor we use. VONCO

Medical...www.voncomed.com...Ask for Stan.

Would be happy to answer any more questions off line if needed.

Merry Christmas and Best of Luck to EVERYONE next year in these challenging

times of LESS $$$$$.

Kevyn Soupiset, PT, MPT

" Success often comes from taking a misstep in the right direction. "

Progressive Therapy & Sports Medicine

117 W. 6th

Larned, KS 67550

Ph:

Fax

www.progressive-larned.com

<http://www.elocallink.tv/vp6/spon-fcsa_a.php?fvm=1 & sponid=AjUFMg5rVjtUYg== &

v>

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From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf

Of dougrollptocs

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:51 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: Balance testing equipment recommendation

In the past 3 weeks we have started using the Wii with the Wii fit board.

Can't report on any results, however, the patients enjoy it. Also addresses

goals of balance, coordination, weight shift, promote WB at an involved

extremity. Can be objective and quantifiable for documentation. ie number of

times patient hit soccer ball per game as well as other numeric values and

times to complete task.

Inexpensive, $350 total for TV, Wii console and Wii fit.

Roll PT, OCS, FAAOMPT

Ocean Springs, MS

www.ptcos.com

> >

> >

> > From: medcity_pt <baking@>

> > Subject: Balance testing equipment recommendation

> > To: PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

> >

> >

> > I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment.

The population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older

adults at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post

balance testing and potentially for balance retraining.

> >

> > Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Brad King, PT

> > Assistant Supervisor

> > Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

> > Mayo Clinic, Rochester

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline

and your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the

full group.

> >

> > Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit {POPTS} is a serious threat

to our professions. PTManager is not available to support POPTS-model

practices. The description of PTManager group includes the following:

> > " PTManager believes in and supports Therapist-owned Therapy Practices

ONLY "

> > Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will not be approved

> >

> > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association.

Join APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

> >

> > Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

> >

[Guest guest]

, can you please share any information you have regarding the fall reduction

program you are certified in?

Thanks so much,

Engelberg, PT

Manager, Outpatient Rehabilitation

Orlando Health

stephanie.engelberg@...

Visit us on the web at

http://www.orlandohealth.com/rehab<http://www.orlandohelath.com/rehab>

From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of

Egbert

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:20 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: Balance testing equipment recommendation

I am fall proof certified, a program designed to reduce falls in the community

dwelling elderly individual. We use a balance test pre and post called the FAB

test. it gives a numerical value for a final score giving you the quantative

value you need for documentation and to show progression.

Egbert PT WCC CKTP CLT

Draper rehab

Draper, UT

jeff@...<mailto:jeff%40woodruffpt.com> wrote:

>Brad--As the proud owner of a Biodex Balance System, I recommend that you put

the money into Christmas bonuses for your staff to aide in retention, and/or

continuing ed $. My unit sits in the corner, used perhaps an hour or so a week,

and I have seen far more expensive equipment sitting in the corner at other

clinics...I personally feel that unless you are using it specifically as a

marketing tool, which in your case seems unnecessary (based on your facility)

that these units are becoming the balance equivalent of the Cybex/Kincom that

you " had to have " if you were going to rehab an ACL repair. Buy some really

good, really cheap balance equipment like BOSU balls, bonus your staff, educate

them. You'll get just as good results for your patients. Jeff Woodruff, PT,

GCS. Woodruff PT, Chester ,NH

>

>

>

>

>From: medcity_pt <baking@...<mailto:baking%40mayo.edu>>

>Subject: Balance testing equipment recommendation

>To: PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com>

>Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

>

>

>I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment. The

population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older adults

at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post balance testing

and potentially for balance retraining.

>

>Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

>Thank you,

>

>Brad King, PT

>Assistant Supervisor

>Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

>Mayo Clinic, Rochester

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline and

your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the full

group.

>

>Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit {POPTS} is a serious threat to our

professions. PTManager is not available to support POPTS-model practices. The

description of PTManager group includes the following:

> " PTManager believes in and supports Therapist-owned Therapy Practices ONLY "

>Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will not be approved

>

>PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join

APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

>

>Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

>

[Guest guest]

, can you please share any information you have regarding the fall reduction

program you are certified in?

Thanks so much,

Engelberg, PT

Manager, Outpatient Rehabilitation

Orlando Health

stephanie.engelberg@...

Visit us on the web at

http://www.orlandohealth.com/rehab<http://www.orlandohelath.com/rehab>

From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of

Egbert

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:20 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: Balance testing equipment recommendation

I am fall proof certified, a program designed to reduce falls in the community

dwelling elderly individual. We use a balance test pre and post called the FAB

test. it gives a numerical value for a final score giving you the quantative

value you need for documentation and to show progression.

Egbert PT WCC CKTP CLT

Draper rehab

Draper, UT

jeff@...<mailto:jeff%40woodruffpt.com> wrote:

>Brad--As the proud owner of a Biodex Balance System, I recommend that you put

the money into Christmas bonuses for your staff to aide in retention, and/or

continuing ed $. My unit sits in the corner, used perhaps an hour or so a week,

and I have seen far more expensive equipment sitting in the corner at other

clinics...I personally feel that unless you are using it specifically as a

marketing tool, which in your case seems unnecessary (based on your facility)

that these units are becoming the balance equivalent of the Cybex/Kincom that

you " had to have " if you were going to rehab an ACL repair. Buy some really

good, really cheap balance equipment like BOSU balls, bonus your staff, educate

them. You'll get just as good results for your patients. Jeff Woodruff, PT,

GCS. Woodruff PT, Chester ,NH

>

>

>

>

>From: medcity_pt <baking@...<mailto:baking%40mayo.edu>>

>Subject: Balance testing equipment recommendation

>To: PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com>

>Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

>

>

>I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment. The

population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older adults

at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post balance testing

and potentially for balance retraining.

>

>Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

>Thank you,

>

>Brad King, PT

>Assistant Supervisor

>Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

>Mayo Clinic, Rochester

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline and

your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the full

group.

>

>Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit {POPTS} is a serious threat to our

professions. PTManager is not available to support POPTS-model practices. The

description of PTManager group includes the following:

> " PTManager believes in and supports Therapist-owned Therapy Practices ONLY "

>Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will not be approved

>

>PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join

APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

>

>Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

>

[Guest guest]

, can you please share any information you have regarding the fall reduction

program you are certified in?

Thanks so much,

Engelberg, PT

Manager, Outpatient Rehabilitation

Orlando Health

stephanie.engelberg@...

Visit us on the web at

http://www.orlandohealth.com/rehab<http://www.orlandohelath.com/rehab>

From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of

Egbert

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:20 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: Balance testing equipment recommendation

I am fall proof certified, a program designed to reduce falls in the community

dwelling elderly individual. We use a balance test pre and post called the FAB

test. it gives a numerical value for a final score giving you the quantative

value you need for documentation and to show progression.

Egbert PT WCC CKTP CLT

Draper rehab

Draper, UT

jeff@...<mailto:jeff%40woodruffpt.com> wrote:

>Brad--As the proud owner of a Biodex Balance System, I recommend that you put

the money into Christmas bonuses for your staff to aide in retention, and/or

continuing ed $. My unit sits in the corner, used perhaps an hour or so a week,

and I have seen far more expensive equipment sitting in the corner at other

clinics...I personally feel that unless you are using it specifically as a

marketing tool, which in your case seems unnecessary (based on your facility)

that these units are becoming the balance equivalent of the Cybex/Kincom that

you " had to have " if you were going to rehab an ACL repair. Buy some really

good, really cheap balance equipment like BOSU balls, bonus your staff, educate

them. You'll get just as good results for your patients. Jeff Woodruff, PT,

GCS. Woodruff PT, Chester ,NH

>

>

>

>

>From: medcity_pt <baking@...<mailto:baking%40mayo.edu>>

>Subject: Balance testing equipment recommendation

>To: PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com>

>Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

>

>

>I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment. The

population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older adults

at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post balance testing

and potentially for balance retraining.

>

>Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

>Thank you,

>

>Brad King, PT

>Assistant Supervisor

>Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

>Mayo Clinic, Rochester

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline and

your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the full

group.

>

>Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit {POPTS} is a serious threat to our

professions. PTManager is not available to support POPTS-model practices. The

description of PTManager group includes the following:

> " PTManager believes in and supports Therapist-owned Therapy Practices ONLY "

>Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will not be approved

>

>PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join

APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

>

>Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

>

[Guest guest]

I spoke with a well known neurologist a few years back who used a high-priced,

high-tech piece of balance testing equipment with a color monitor to

differentiate fallers from non-fallers. Categorization was based on whether the

patient fell stepping up onto the device -- about an 8 inch step. Patients who

fell were fallers, patients who succeeded were non-fallers. The rest of the

data collected was considered meaningless.

We have a similar piece of balance equipment here at the Rehabilitation

Institute, albeit made out of plywood.

Hansen, PT, PhD

Rehabilitation Institute of Kansas City

Kansas City, Missouri

> > >

> > >

> > > From: medcity_pt <baking@>

> > > Subject: Balance testing equipment recommendation

> > > To: PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment.

> The population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older

> adults at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post

> balance testing and potentially for balance retraining.

> > >

> > > Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > > Brad King, PT

> > > Assistant Supervisor

> > > Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

> > > Mayo Clinic, Rochester

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline

> and your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the

> full group.

> > >

> > > Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit {POPTS} is a serious threat

> to our professions. PTManager is not available to support POPTS-model

> practices. The description of PTManager group includes the following:

> > > " PTManager believes in and supports Therapist-owned Therapy Practices

> ONLY "

> > > Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will not be approved

> > >

> > > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association.

> Join APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

> > >

> > > Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

> > >

[Guest guest]

I spoke with a well known neurologist a few years back who used a high-priced,

high-tech piece of balance testing equipment with a color monitor to

differentiate fallers from non-fallers. Categorization was based on whether the

patient fell stepping up onto the device -- about an 8 inch step. Patients who

fell were fallers, patients who succeeded were non-fallers. The rest of the

data collected was considered meaningless.

We have a similar piece of balance equipment here at the Rehabilitation

Institute, albeit made out of plywood.

Hansen, PT, PhD

Rehabilitation Institute of Kansas City

Kansas City, Missouri

> > >

> > >

> > > From: medcity_pt <baking@>

> > > Subject: Balance testing equipment recommendation

> > > To: PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment.

> The population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older

> adults at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post

> balance testing and potentially for balance retraining.

> > >

> > > Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > > Brad King, PT

> > > Assistant Supervisor

> > > Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

> > > Mayo Clinic, Rochester

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline

> and your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the

> full group.

> > >

> > > Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit {POPTS} is a serious threat

> to our professions. PTManager is not available to support POPTS-model

> practices. The description of PTManager group includes the following:

> > > " PTManager believes in and supports Therapist-owned Therapy Practices

> ONLY "

> > > Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will not be approved

> > >

> > > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association.

> Join APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

> > >

> > > Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

> > >

[Guest guest]

I spoke with a well known neurologist a few years back who used a high-priced,

high-tech piece of balance testing equipment with a color monitor to

differentiate fallers from non-fallers. Categorization was based on whether the

patient fell stepping up onto the device -- about an 8 inch step. Patients who

fell were fallers, patients who succeeded were non-fallers. The rest of the

data collected was considered meaningless.

We have a similar piece of balance equipment here at the Rehabilitation

Institute, albeit made out of plywood.

Hansen, PT, PhD

Rehabilitation Institute of Kansas City

Kansas City, Missouri

> > >

> > >

> > > From: medcity_pt <baking@>

> > > Subject: Balance testing equipment recommendation

> > > To: PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment.

> The population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older

> adults at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post

> balance testing and potentially for balance retraining.

> > >

> > > Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > > Brad King, PT

> > > Assistant Supervisor

> > > Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

> > > Mayo Clinic, Rochester

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline

> and your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the

> full group.

> > >

> > > Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit {POPTS} is a serious threat

> to our professions. PTManager is not available to support POPTS-model

> practices. The description of PTManager group includes the following:

> > > " PTManager believes in and supports Therapist-owned Therapy Practices

> ONLY "

> > > Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will not be approved

> > >

> > > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association.

> Join APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

> > >

> > > Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Group,

 Here is the link re: the Fall Proof certification

http://hhd.fullerton.edu/csa/FallProof/FallProof_InstructorCert.htm

 

Egbert PT CKTP CLT WCC

Director of Rehab

Draper, UT

>

>

>From: medcity_pt <baking@...<mailto:baking%40mayo.edu>>

>Subject: Balance testing equipment recommendation

>To: PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com>

>Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:47 PM

>

>

>I'm looking for advice regarding commercial balance testing equipment. The

population we're interested in testing are the community dwelling older adults

at risk for falls. The equipment would be used for pre and post balance testing

and potentially for balance retraining.

>

>Would like to know what equipment you'd recommend and why.

>Thank you,

>

>Brad King, PT

>Assistant Supervisor

>Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

>Mayo Clinic, Rochester

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline and

your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the full

group.

>

>Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit {POPTS} is a serious threat to our

professions. PTManager is not available to support POPTS-model practices. The

description of PTManager group includes the following:

> " PTManager believes in and supports Therapist-owned Therapy Practices ONLY "

>Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will not be approved

>

>PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join APTA,

AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

>

>Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

>