Chelation

[Guest guest]

>There is a website where you can buy dmsa without a prescription

>but I forgot the address. Hopefully someone else can tell you on

>here. I've seen it posted on this list before.

You can buy DMSA without prescription from vitamin research products

at www.vrp.com.

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: <MRSROSE2000@...>

> I was just given a book on Chelation therapy. Since many of

> you are quite versed in alternative treatments in our quest for better

> health....what do you think?? Would it interfere with AP??? Is it

> good....bad....waste of money????? Martha

I had heard about a number of people who benefitted from chelation but let

me tell you my first personal experience with it. My daughter had a friend

with scleroderma who found the AP too late. She was already on oxygen 24/7.

Her feet turned black & blue - darker at the toes, lighter at the ankles and

then red. It was midsummer and this woman was in multiple layers of

clothes due to Raynaud's.

On TV one night (maybe 20/20) she heard about chelation and called me to ask

if it would help her. I knew it would but where would we find a doctor to

take such a patient? Long story short, I found one - right close to where

we both lived. I don't remember exactly, but had at least two

chelations treatments a week. At the end of the second week, the color in

her feet was back to normal and the Raynaud's was gone.

Second story - My husband complained every once in a while of a pain in his

chest - insisting it wasn't his heart. I knew different. His father and my

mother had the same problem. It's called angina. Also, unbeknown to me, he

had pain in his legs when walking up the hills around our home - which he

confessed to after chelation had cleared the problem.

I convinced him to do chelation. He took 34 treatments in all. The chest

pain left shortly as did the pains in his legs. His doctor sent him for a

complete heart workup and the doctor told him he had the heart of a 40 year

old man. He was 75 at the time. I took 34 treatments also as a preventive.

We were going to do several IVs a year as maintenance but decided to go with

Dr. Matthias Rath's protocol using lysine, proline and vitamin C.

has a good story on chelation too. Maybe she will have time to share

it.

It's definitely worth getting.

Ethel

[Guest guest]

Hi Martha,

A friend of mine had a heart condition and had been told nothing could be

done for him. He couldn't have a shower without nearly passing out. He

eventually went to a doctor who did chelation therapy and had about three

months of EDTA injections.

I saw him after he'd had chelation and I swear I hardly recognised him. His

colour was normal, there was a spring in his step, his hair had gone curly

and he looked so much younger. He took his wife on a trip around Australia

after that. Eventually he needed some surgery and the heart surgeon said

that chelation had saved his life. He's remained well and enjoying life.

Chelation is described as helping many degenerative conditions. A chelating

doctor will assess each individual and I know the kidneys have to be

functioning normally in order to process the EDTA.

Chris.

> I was just given a book on Chelation therapy. I must say it is quit

> interesting but as usual, I am a bit skeptical. However, since it seems just

> possible that it may have some truth in its claims, I thought I would ask is

anyone

> familiar with this??? Has anyone tried it or known someone personally who

> has??? I did notice a chelation building in another city near me. Since many

of

> you are quite versed in alternative treatments in our quest for better

> health....what do you think?? Would it interfere with AP??? Is it

> good....bad....waste of money????? Martha

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/5/2003 4:16:15 PM Central Daylight Time,

emsnooks@... writes:

> Dr. Matthias Rath's protocol using lysine, proline and vitamin C.

>

>

Where can I find a copy of Dr Raths protocol?? Since I have no immediate

problems maybe getting one or two treatments a year and then using diet might be

a good maintenance idea. The Doc in the book goes once or twice a year just

as a preventative measure. Somsething to think on. Martha

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: <MRSROSE2000@...>

> In a message dated 8/5/2003 4:16:15 PM Central Daylight Time,

> emsnooks@... writes:

>

> > Dr. Matthias Rath's protocol using lysine, proline and vitamin C.

> >

> >

>

> Where can I find a copy of Dr Raths protocol?? Since I have no immediate

> problems maybe getting one or two treatments a year and then using diet

might be

> a good maintenance idea. The Doc in the book goes once or twice a year

just

> as a preventative measure. Somsething to think on. Martha

>

If you are doing chelation, you must do more than just a couple to get the

desired results.

Check www.dr-rath-research.org for more information. Dr. Rath has two books

you can download.

Ethel

[Guest guest]

Ethel, the August issue of the Health Sciences Institute newsletter has an

article on the new chelation breakthrough.

It is a 750 mg Ca-EDTA suppository taken

at bed time. It is called Detoxamin. Three treatments equal one IV EDTA

treatment at much less cost.

WEB SITE:

http://www.age-erasers.com/

However, Dr Milner states that NO ONE

should have chelation without knowledgable medical supervision due to

possible side effects. Since EDTA is a poor chelator of mercury & aluminum,

it could just move them around without

exiting the body. He recommends testing

for heavy metals prior to EDTA therapy.

Hair analysis and chelation challenge followed by urine analysis of heavy metals

are often used. He says mercury amalgams can be an obstacle to safe

chelation.

Anyone wanting to purchase a copy of this article can contact HSI at:

http://www.hsibaltimore.com

REGARDS,

ray

[Guest guest]

Ray,

Thanks for bringing this new type chelation to our attention. After

reading your post, a search revealed an excellent site, even has a

short video presentation which is quite good.

If interested, go to:

http://www.detoxamin.com/page2.html

bg

> Ethel, the August issue of the Health Sciences Institute

newsletter has an

> article on the new chelation breakthrough.

> It is a 750 mg Ca-EDTA suppository taken

> at bed time. It is called Detoxamin. Three treatments equal one IV

EDTA treatment at much less cost.

> WEB SITE:

> http://www.age-erasers.com/

>

> However, Dr Milner states that NO ONE

> should have chelation without knowledgable medical supervision due

to

> possible side effects. Since EDTA is a poor chelator of mercury &

aluminum,

> it could just move them around without

> exiting the body. He recommends testing

> for heavy metals prior to EDTA therapy.

> Hair analysis and chelation challenge followed by urine analysis

of heavy metals are often used. He says mercury amalgams can be an

obstacle to safe

> chelation.

> Anyone wanting to purchase a copy of this article can contact HSI

at:

> http://www.hsibaltimore.com

>

> REGARDS,

> ray

[Guest guest]

rheumatic RE:Chelation

> Ethel, the August issue of the Health Sciences Institute newsletter has an

> article on the new chelation breakthrough.

> It is a 750 mg Ca-EDTA suppository taken

> at bed time. It is called Detoxamin. Three treatments equal one IV EDTA

treatment at much less cost.

> WEB SITE:

> http://www.age-erasers.com/

>

> However, Dr Milner states that NO ONE

> should have chelation without knowledgable medical supervision due to

> possible side effects. Since EDTA is a poor chelator of mercury &

aluminum,

> it could just move them around without

> exiting the body. He recommends testing

> for heavy metals prior to EDTA therapy.

> Hair analysis and chelation challenge followed by urine analysis of heavy

metals are often used. He says mercury amalgams can be an obstacle to safe

> chelation.

> Anyone wanting to purchase a copy of this article can contact HSI at:

> http://www.hsibaltimore.com

>

> REGARDS,

Thanks for the information, Ray. Dr. Gordon, one of the leaders who

promoted IV chelation therapy, also has an oral product available now. I'm

told oral works much slower than intravenous therapy.

Since EDTA pulls out minerals as well as heavy metal, you really should have

a physician monitor you if you use the oral EDTA.

The formula used in our IV therapy included -

EDTA

vitamin C

B12

dexapanthenol

magnesiumn chloride

potassium chloride

B complex

Ethel

>

[Guest guest]

My dd is being chelated at the present. She is far worse than I am. It will be

some time before I can chelate myself. I do know that she is tired alot when

chelation rounds are in progress.

I have also spoke with an adult who is chelating herself and her son at the same

time. I asked how she felt and what was going on with her - she stated she was

just real tired when the rounds were going on.

HTH

Karyn

[ ] chelation

Has anybody on this list undergone chelation themselves? What protocol

did you use? How did you feel during it? Did you get worse at all? If

you got worse, what did you do about it?

[Guest guest]

Thanks! This helps so much. My doctor is not very knowledgeable about

chelation and made me sicker when I had my fillings in. The reason I

asked about starting chelation is I am absolutely terrified of three

main things:

1. Embarrassing myself at work

2. Not driving well and getting into an accident

3. Not getting any sleep at night due to anxiety and being unable to

function

If it is just fatigue, I can deal with that. Best wishes to you and

your daughter.

Bernadette

> My dd is being chelated at the present. She is far worse than I am.

It will be some time before I can chelate myself. I do know that she

is tired alot when chelation rounds are in progress.

> I have also spoke with an adult who is chelating herself and her

son at the same time. I asked how she felt and what was going on with

her - she stated she was just real tired when the rounds were going

on.

>

> HTH

>

> Karyn

> [ ] chelation

>

>

> Has anybody on this list undergone chelation themselves? What

protocol

> did you use? How did you feel during it? Did you get worse at

all? If

> you got worse, what did you do about it?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I usually do the rounds on the weekend start on fri am and end sun pm. This way

it doesn't interfere with alot of your concerns, because they are mine as

well!!!

Karyn

[ ] chelation

>

>

> Has anybody on this list undergone chelation themselves? What

protocol

> did you use? How did you feel during it? Did you get worse at

all? If

> you got worse, what did you do about it?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Hello. My son is almost 9 and has been diagnosed as borderline

> Asperger's since the age of 3.

>

> We have done the gamut with as far as gfcf and enzymes go.

> He was totally gfcf for about 9 months with many positive changes.

> We then added in all three Houston Enzymes about a year ago. At

> this point, 's diet is primarily non gfcf (as a result of

> allowing more and more 'infractions' with enzymes, it is difficult

> to get him to accept gfcf foods, particularly the breads, because of

> constant reintroduction of 'real' versions of food). He does okay

> with large amount of enzymes (3+ pep) with non-gfcf foods.

>

> The reason I am writing is, we started chelation about 10 days ago.

> First with Allithimine 100 mg/gm gel 0.5 ml applied topically twice

> daily for one week.

Allithiamine is not a chelating agent, does not remove any heavy metals

from the body, and is quite dangerous to the liver.

> On Saturday, we added in (with the Allithimine)

> Glutathione-Lipo 100/mg/gm 0.5 ml applied topically twice daily.

Glutathione is not a chelating agent and does not remove any more

metals than come out on their own.

> We

> have been advised by our doctor to do this for a total course of

> three weeks,

Sounds like you need to find a real doctor a lot more than you need to

do the urine test.

>to be followed by a 24 hour urine test. ( was

> tolerant of the smell of the Allithimine, but was crying and enraged

> at one point today with the smell of the Glutathione)

>

> After reading the files section, I am concerned about several things:

> 1) Is there any merit/effectivness of this type of chelation (the

> topical creams)?

No.

> 2) Am I doing him a dis-service by administering enzymes

> (Peptizyde, HN Zyme, No-Fen) during this stage of chelation?

No. This is appropriate and helpful.

> 3) Since it's been the holiday break, his diet has really been non-

> gfcf (we stay much closer to gfcf during the normal school

> schedule), am I putting him at additional risk by having him be " off

> the diet " with enzymes during chelation?

No.

> Any and all advice will be much appreciated.

Start chelating properly. Don't use dangerous and harmful agents or

protocols unless there is a reason, which there clearly isn't for

allithiamine.

> Thanks,

>

> , Mom of 8yr 10 mo

[Guest guest]

Andy,

Thank you for responding to my inquiry personally.

In the last two days, has been complaining of cramping in his

calfs. In his almost nine yrs., he has never made such a

complaint. I do not believe it has anything to do with muscle

strain as he moves basically from the tv to the computer to the

gamecube, so not much chance of muscle injury there.

Do you think it could be related to the chelating agents

(Allithimine & Glutathione) applied topically?

I have a call into the Dr. I have stopped using the creams since

Wed afternoon as I have become concerned about this muscle pain.

When he was tested for metals, the only category came out

high in was Lead. I realize that this is a Mercury site, but would

I follow Andy's recommendations using DMSA and ALA for lead? I know

that our physician uses both of those products, but for some reason

recommended using these creams, at least initially. The last thing

I want to do is hurt my child. I am very fortunate that is

very high functioning and all I want is to give him as much chance

at " complete normalcy " (however one defines that) as possible. I

would hate to injure my son, knowing that we are quite fortunate to

have him be as high functioning as he is.

Any opinion on the muscle cramps? Was I correct to abruptly stop

the Allitimine & Glutathione, or was that unwise? Should I pursue

DMSA & ALA with the Dr for Lead?

I'm sure each of you faced the same uncertainty when you began this

journey as I am facing now. Any input or advice would be much

appreciated.

With many thanks,

( 8yrs 10 mo)

> > Hello. My son is almost 9 and has been diagnosed as borderline

> > Asperger's since the age of 3.

> >

> > We have done the gamut with as far as gfcf and enzymes go.

> > He was totally gfcf for about 9 months with many positive

changes.

> > We then added in all three Houston Enzymes about a year ago. At

> > this point, 's diet is primarily non gfcf (as a result of

> > allowing more and more 'infractions' with enzymes, it is

difficult

> > to get him to accept gfcf foods, particularly the breads,

because of

> > constant reintroduction of 'real' versions of food). He does okay

> > with large amount of enzymes (3+ pep) with non-gfcf foods.

> >

> > The reason I am writing is, we started chelation about 10 days

ago.

> > First with Allithimine 100 mg/gm gel 0.5 ml applied topically

twice

> > daily for one week.

>

> Allithiamine is not a chelating agent, does not remove any heavy

metals

> from the body, and is quite dangerous to the liver.

>

> > On Saturday, we added in (with the Allithimine)

> > Glutathione-Lipo 100/mg/gm 0.5 ml applied topically twice daily.

>

> Glutathione is not a chelating agent and does not remove any more

> metals than come out on their own.

>

> > We

> > have been advised by our doctor to do this for a total course of

> > three weeks,

>

> Sounds like you need to find a real doctor a lot more than you

need to

> do the urine test.

>

> >to be followed by a 24 hour urine test. ( was

> > tolerant of the smell of the Allithimine, but was crying and

enraged

> > at one point today with the smell of the Glutathione)

> >

> > After reading the files section, I am concerned about several

things:

> > 1) Is there any merit/effectivness of this type of chelation (the

> > topical creams)?

>

> No.

>

> > 2) Am I doing him a dis-service by administering enzymes

> > (Peptizyde, HN Zyme, No-Fen) during this stage of chelation?

>

> No. This is appropriate and helpful.

>

> > 3) Since it's been the holiday break, his diet has really been

non-

> > gfcf (we stay much closer to gfcf during the normal school

> > schedule), am I putting him at additional risk by having him

be " off

> > the diet " with enzymes during chelation?

>

> No.

>

> > Any and all advice will be much appreciated.

>

> Start chelating properly. Don't use dangerous and harmful agents

or

> protocols unless there is a reason, which there clearly isn't for

> allithiamine.

>

> > Thanks,

> >

> > , Mom of 8yr 10 mo

[Guest guest]

> Andy,

>

> Thank you for responding to my inquiry personally.

>

> In the last two days, has been complaining of cramping in his

> calfs. In his almost nine yrs., he has never made such a

> complaint. I do not believe it has anything to do with muscle

> strain as he moves basically from the tv to the computer to the

> gamecube, so not much chance of muscle injury there.

>

> Do you think it could be related to the chelating agents

> (Allithimine & Glutathione) applied topically?

>

> I have a call into the Dr. I have stopped using the creams since

> Wed afternoon as I have become concerned about this muscle pain.

>

> When he was tested for metals, the only category came out

> high in was Lead. I realize that this is a Mercury site, but would

> I follow Andy's recommendations using DMSA and ALA for lead? I know

> that our physician uses both of those products, but for some reason

> recommended using these creams, at least initially. The last thing

> I want to do is hurt my child. I am very fortunate that is

> very high functioning and all I want is to give him as much chance

> at " complete normalcy " (however one defines that) as possible. I

> would hate to injure my son, knowing that we are quite fortunate to

> have him be as high functioning as he is.

>

> Any opinion on the muscle cramps? Was I correct to abruptly stop

> the Allitimine & Glutathione, or was that unwise? Should I pursue

> DMSA & ALA with the Dr for Lead?

>

> I'm sure each of you faced the same uncertainty when you began this

> journey as I am facing now. Any input or advice would be much

> appreciated.

>

> With many thanks,

>

> ( 8yrs 10 mo)

Hello ,

First, the only reason I am commenting at all is your final

paragraph (where you ask for ANY input or advice). Since

your post is addressed to Andy, I decided not to reply

initially, based on that.

For lead, DMSA every 4 hours (yes, Andy's dose and timing

schedule) works well.

When you tested for metals and the only category that

was " high " was lead, were you aware that mercury usually

is shown as " normal " on hair tests EVEN IF YOU ARE

MERCURY POISONED? You can read about this, here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html

For the cramps, I am quite confident that calcium will

take care of this. I do NOT know the relation (if any)

to the cremes you were using. But calcium is great

for muscle cramps (this INCLUDES menstrual cramps!)

I use calcium capsules with about 1/2 as much magnesium

included, and have read that this is a good way to

take it. For me it sometimes takes a several capsules

over a few hours.

good wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

Dear Moria,

Thanks for the reply. I addressed the letter to Andy, only because

he had responded to my original post, that and the fact that he

seems to be something of an 'entity' on these boards and I

appreciated taking the time to answer my post.

I welcome and any all advice from parents (and patients) who have

been down the road that and I are starting to travel.

After reading your post, I gave three Kirkman calcium

capsules, I will give him two more before bed.

I have not yet heard back from the Dr., so as of right now, I am not

giving my son any treatment with the 'chelating creams'until I speak

to him. I would like to ask him about going straight to the

DMSA/AMA route rather than as an after effect of the topical route.

Thanks for your advice and have a wonderful night!

--- In , " moriamerri " <moriam@e...>

wrote:

> --- In , " nj2txus " <nj2txus@y...>

wrote:

> > Andy,

> >

> > Thank you for responding to my inquiry personally.

> >

> > In the last two days, has been complaining of cramping in

his

> > calfs. In his almost nine yrs., he has never made such a

> > complaint. I do not believe it has anything to do with muscle

> > strain as he moves basically from the tv to the computer to the

> > gamecube, so not much chance of muscle injury there.

> >

> > Do you think it could be related to the chelating agents

> > (Allithimine & Glutathione) applied topically?

> >

> > I have a call into the Dr. I have stopped using the creams

since

> > Wed afternoon as I have become concerned about this muscle pain.

> >

> > When he was tested for metals, the only category came out

> > high in was Lead. I realize that this is a Mercury site, but

would

> > I follow Andy's recommendations using DMSA and ALA for lead? I

know

> > that our physician uses both of those products, but for some

reason

> > recommended using these creams, at least initially. The last

thing

> > I want to do is hurt my child. I am very fortunate that

is

> > very high functioning and all I want is to give him as much

chance

> > at " complete normalcy " (however one defines that) as possible.

I

> > would hate to injure my son, knowing that we are quite fortunate

to

> > have him be as high functioning as he is.

> >

> > Any opinion on the muscle cramps? Was I correct to abruptly

stop

> > the Allitimine & Glutathione, or was that unwise? Should I

pursue

> > DMSA & ALA with the Dr for Lead?

> >

> > I'm sure each of you faced the same uncertainty when you began

this

> > journey as I am facing now. Any input or advice would be much

> > appreciated.

> >

> > With many thanks,

> >

> > ( 8yrs 10 mo)

>

>

> Hello ,

>

> First, the only reason I am commenting at all is your final

> paragraph (where you ask for ANY input or advice). Since

> your post is addressed to Andy, I decided not to reply

> initially, based on that.

>

> For lead, DMSA every 4 hours (yes, Andy's dose and timing

> schedule) works well.

>

> When you tested for metals and the only category that

> was " high " was lead, were you aware that mercury usually

> is shown as " normal " on hair tests EVEN IF YOU ARE

> MERCURY POISONED? You can read about this, here:

> http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html

>

> For the cramps, I am quite confident that calcium will

> take care of this. I do NOT know the relation (if any)

> to the cremes you were using. But calcium is great

> for muscle cramps (this INCLUDES menstrual cramps!)

> I use calcium capsules with about 1/2 as much magnesium

> included, and have read that this is a good way to

> take it. For me it sometimes takes a several capsules

> over a few hours.

>

> good wishes,

> Moria

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

> Thanks for the reply. I addressed the letter to Andy, only because

> he had responded to my original post,

that makes sense, and I usually address specific people writing.

However, I'm also aware that often people (apparently) really ARE

asking for ANDY to respond, so I do not reply to messages that are

to him, in most cases. (handful of exceptions only.)

I guess one way to post (which you did) is to say that the

questions are to everyone (if you want everyone's input).

Also, sometimes people ask for replies only from " people who have

tried xyz " , and, again, I will (almost always) not reply unless I do

fall into that category. There are probably a few more

exceptions here, in that I often reply to posts that

request " parents' experiences " (I am not a parent) and

I will say I'm not a parent. The reason I do this is

that I think many writers use " parents " as a generic

term thinking it will apply to everyone on the list.

Of course, if they do not want non-parent input, they

are still free to ignore what I say, but my guess in this case

is that usually the exclusion is not intended.

In the case of questions to Andy, I think many people

really do want ANDY to reply, so I generally don't.

But it does depend on the wording.....

> Thanks for your advice and have a wonderful night!

you are welcome, you too

Moria

[Guest guest]

Hi Jane, go to the FAQ's here......Cheri*** BTW, Welcome ;-)

[Guest guest]

> Hi all, I am new to the group. I have a 7-year old son whom we are

> getting ready to chelate. I am trying to gather as much info as I

> can about the process and the chelation agents. BUT there is sooo

> much info out there and I get easily confused. Does any of you have

> any to-the-point and easy to understand websites I can go to?

My page is a general info page, with links to go for further information

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thank you Cheri and Dana. That really helped out.

Jane

danasview <danasview@...> wrote:

> Hi all, I am new to the group. I have a 7-year old son whom we are

> getting ready to chelate. I am trying to gather as much info as I

> can about the process and the chelation agents. BUT there is sooo

> much info out there and I get easily confused. Does any of you have

> any to-the-point and easy to understand websites I can go to?

My page is a general info page, with links to go for further information

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

Dana

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

--- In , " autismjane " <autismjane@y...>

wrote:

> Hi all, I am new to the group. I have a 7-year old son whom we are

> getting ready to chelate. I am trying to gather as much info as I

> can about the process and the chelation agents. BUT there is sooo

> much info out there and I get easily confused. Does any of you have

> any to-the-point and easy to understand websites I can go to?

>

> Take care,

> Jane

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam

And also Dana's website-- but she already posted it.

Moria

[Guest guest]

> Hi, I was wondering when do I know it is time to increase the

amount

> of ALA and DMSA my son is receiving for chelation?

I increased the dose of ALA when my son's improvements became less

noticeable after a few rounds.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Since PCA_rx doesn't appear to be a chelator or remove any heavy

metals, you might want to use a real chelator rather than an expensive

placebo. If you want to try placebo therapy, tic-tac's are quite

inexpensive.

How to make things worse: chelate using an incorrect protocol, e. g.

the DAN! protocol. How to make them better: chelate properly, which

for DMSA is every 4 hours using modest amounts.

Being a DAN! doctor is far from a guarantee of competence. You are

doing the right thing to ask other parents for input. Do be aware that

you need to get the details of the chelation protocols as these are

crucially important in understanding what happened.

You might go see the chelation polls in the polls section of the group

webpage.

Andy . . . . . . . . . ..

> Hi! I just had my son take a DMSA challenge test. I am using a

> DAN! doctor. I am confused as to go on and chelate using DMSA or

> just go on my own and use the PCA-RX product. Naturally, he has

> enough to overcome without me making it worse.

>

> Anyone out there have any thoughts, personal experiences, positive

> and/or negative effects?

>

> I would greatly appreciate any help.

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

> One other comment he had elevated lead but all the other metals were

> within normal range. His doctor said that the other metals might be

> bound to tight to get a test. Does anyone know any information on

> what I should expect?

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty,

I am so utterly confused! My book " Amalgam Illness " hadn't arrived

and so I emailed the bookseller who emailed back. Andy Cutler, the

author, responded! So I asked him about chlorella, ionic foot baths,

and far infrared saunas and he replied that " no one should use them

as they could be quite harmful. " He didn't say why they were

harmful. I am torn as to what to do because it seems everywhere I

turn there is a different opinion. I'm just curious if you followed

his protocol to a T or did you incorporate other detoxing at the same

time? And again, how long did you take DMSA...even though I know it

may be different for me...just curious. I haven't read his protocol

yet as the book's not here, but saw on some site that you have to

take the DMSA on a very strict schedule, even waking up at night

every 3-4 hours. Did you do that?

While at first I felt Mercola's office was giving me everything I

need, in reading 's old posts the services now offered are very

different and much less. I'm a little annoyed. Basically, the doc I

saw said to buy Cutler's book and gave me DMSA w/ 1 sentence for

directions. He also told me I needed thermal imaging but that he

didn't have time to find a thermal imaging location for me because he

has too many patients, so I have to do it on my own. For the money

I'm paying, I'm beginning to realize I could have and AM doing a lot

of this on my own!! I feel like I should be paying you, not my doc!

Anyway, thanks for the help. Love, PH

[Guest guest]

PH,

It sounds like you've already tapped out Mercola's clinic for everything they can do for you! . . . I hope not!

We've seen so many women get good results from FAR saunas and foot baths, it would be very hard to doubt their benefit.

It would be interesting to know why he doesn't like them! . . . and what he prefers to them.

Some time ago, I searched the internet high and low looking for comments on ionic foot baths. At that time, the only negative comments I found were by people who hadn't tried them, and who had a vested interest in discouraging their use.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty,

Maybe this explains my horrible fog/drunken-like feeling. I juice

greens every morning since I stopped the carrots because Mercola

suggested it because I am so orange. Seriously, in our family

Christmas photo everyone is normal color and then there's me looking

as if I have some horrible fake spray tan!! It doesn't even look

like me either because I've gained probably 7 pounds since being on

Armour for two weeks..but that's a whole other story. The weight

gains not pleasant but it's insignificant when you don't have your

health.

I don't get the cytokine/green juice connection if we're still

encouraged to eat leafy greens. I guess it's something with the

juicing that's different than raw? I still feel I need a big salad

every day for health but maybe I'll try a few days of cooked foods to

see if it helps. The last couple days have been really scary because

it seems like my symptoms have been worse with confusion, brain fog,

eyes seem slower than my head movement. The only " bad " food I had at

Christmas was one tiny macaroon but I figured the coconut outweighed

the 2 grams of sugar.

Wow, every time I think I have it hard, I am reminded of your

situation...6 months without income, 4 kids, moving, waitressing,

opening businesses and then in an old post I read the other night,

you mentioned you were homeschooling one of your kids while ill!!

Patty, I honestly don't know how you did it. Here I am having a pity

party for myself...your story puts things in perspective.

Thanks for the reminder to trust God and know that He's faithful. I

have a habit of trying to control/fix everything even after

I've " given everything to Him. " It's a work in progress and I can

visualize a positive outcome I believe He has in store for me. I

just want it NOW but He knows better what I need. Love, PH

> > > >

> > > > Hi Patty,

> > > >

> > > > I am so utterly confused! My book " Amalgam Illness " hadn't

> > arrived

> > > > and so I emailed the bookseller who emailed back. Andy

Cutler,

> > the

> > > > author, responded! So I asked him about chlorella, ionic

foot

> > > baths,

> > > > and far infrared saunas and he replied that " no one should

use

> > them

> > > > as they could be quite harmful. " He didn't say why they were

> > > > harmful. I am torn as to what to do because it seems

> everywhere

> > I

> > > > turn there is a different opinion. I'm just curious if you

> > > followed

> > > > his protocol to a T or did you incorporate other detoxing at

> the

> > > same

> > > > time? And again, how long did you take DMSA...even though I

> know

> > it

> > > > may be different for me...just curious. I haven't read his

> > > protocol

> > > > yet as the book's not here, but saw on some site that you

have

> to

> > > > take the DMSA on a very strict schedule, even waking up at

> night

> > > > every 3-4 hours. Did you do that?

> > > >

> > > > While at first I felt Mercola's office was giving me

everything

> I

> > > > need, in reading 's old posts the services now offered

are

> > > very

> > > > different and much less. I'm a little annoyed. Basically, the

> doc

> > I

> > > > saw said to buy Cutler's book and gave me DMSA w/ 1 sentence

> for

> > > > directions. He also told me I needed thermal imaging but

that

> he

> > > > didn't have time to find a thermal imaging location for me

> > because

> > > he

> > > > has too many patients, so I have to do it on my own. For the

> > money

> > > > I'm paying, I'm beginning to realize I could have and AM

doing

> a

> > > lot

> > > > of this on my own!! I feel like I should be paying you, not

my

> > doc!

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, thanks for the help. Love, PH

> > > >

> > >

> >

>