Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 http://www.armourthyroid.com/faq.html this page give approximate equivalent strengths renee > > My doc prescribed 1 grain of armour. what is the synthroid eqivilant? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 One grain of Armour is equivelant to100mcg ( .1 mg) of Synthroid. You can go the the Armour thyroid website and they have equiv. for thyrolar and cytomel, also. Venizia > > My doc prescribed 1 grain of armour. what is the synthroid eqivilant? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 this dose is too low to be effective. hopefully he won't keep you there, hopefully he won't treat to the TSH test. Gracia My doc prescribed 1 grain of armour. what is the synthroid eqivilant? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.7/816 - Release Date: 5/23/2007 3:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Gracia wrote: this dose is too low to be effective. hopefully he won't keep you there, hopefully he won't treat to the TSH test. Gracia What do you mean this is too low? If i was taking 100 mcg of synthroid before wouldn't I take 1 grain of armour now? Crystal > > > this dose is too low to be effective. hopefully he won't keep you there, hopefully he won't treat to the TSH test. > Gracia > > My doc prescribed 1 grain of armour. what is the synthroid eqivilant? > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.7/816 - Release Date: 5/23/2007 3:59 PM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 I have no idea about $inthroid to Armour. If you only need one grain of Armour, then I suggest using high dose Iodoral/Lugols instead, but I suggest you do that anyway. Some peeps do not need thyroid meds if they get enough iodine/iodide. usual dose of Armour is 3-5 grains. I take 4 grains, I know some thyroidless peeps who take 10 grains. the old fashioned way of treating symptoms is best. Hypothyroidism is poorly treated, undertreated and untreated. I wonder if this disease maintenance system will ever heal itself, or if we will just have to bypass it. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com Gracia Gracia wrote: this dose is too low to be effective. hopefully he won't keep you there, hopefully he won't treat to the TSH test. Gracia What do you mean this is too low? If i was taking 100 mcg of synthroid before wouldn't I take 1 grain of armour now? Crystal > > > this dose is too low to be effective. hopefully he won't keep you there, hopefully he won't treat to the TSH test. > Gracia > > My doc prescribed 1 grain of armour. what is the synthroid eqivilant? > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.7/816 - Release Date: 5/23/2007 3:59 PM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Crystal, You wrote: > > What do you mean this is too low? If i was taking 100 mcg of > synthroid before wouldn't I take 1 grain of armour now? My guess is that the published dosage " equivalence " is based on the effect on TSH. That would seem to be scientific and based on a good measurement, something you need to avoid law suits. However, with T3 medications, the TSH is pushed a little lower for the same effect on hypoT symptoms. Thus, equivalence in terms of relief calls for more Armour than the " equivalence " table says. Exactly how much more probably depends on dosage, since Armour has a combination of T4 and T3 which is being compared to T4 only. The result will not be linear with dosage, even though the effect on TSH is. Effective half life changes a bit with dose, which technically makes the term half-life invalid, so doubling or tripling the dosage in Armour will have less effect than doubling or tripling the " equivalent " in Synthroid. Then, there are the individual differences in how people respond to the medications. Just think of the equivalence table as a very inaccurate general guideline, one that could be off by 50% or more. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 Thanks Gracia and Chuck for your responses. I called my my doc to let him know that I needed more then one grain of armour(he didn't know that I was taking 112 mcg's of synthroid. He gave me script for 100mcg's, but I lost it so I was taking a .75 and half of a .75). Anyway, his nurse called me back to let me know that he did indeed want me on 1 grain of armour. I told her that wasn't enough and she said, " well then, I'll just have to talk to him and tell him on Tuesday. " So I politely asked her to send me my lab results and made an appointment with an endo that I found on stop the thyroid madness. I will let everyone know how this turns out. Crystal from OK. > > > > > > this dose is too low to be effective. hopefully he won't keep you > there, hopefully he won't treat to the TSH test. > > Gracia > > > > My doc prescribed 1 grain of armour. what is the synthroid eqivilant? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.7/816 - Release Date: > 5/23/2007 3:59 PM > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 you go girl. the proactive patient gets well. Gracia Thanks Gracia and Chuck for your responses. I called my my doc to let him know that I needed more then one grain of armour(he didn't know that I was taking 112 mcg's of synthroid. He gave me script for 100mcg's, but I lost it so I was taking a .75 and half of a .75). Anyway, his nurse called me back to let me know that he did indeed want me on 1 grain of armour. I told her that wasn't enough and she said, " well then, I'll just have to talk to him and tell him on Tuesday. " So I politely asked her to send me my lab results and made an appointment with an endo that I found on stop the thyroid madness. I will let everyone know how this turns out. Crystal from OK. --- Recent Activity a.. 11New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 PH, Never take thyroid medication at bedtime. Always take half in the morning and the rest by 1-2 P.M. It will definitely keep you awake. My doctor who first gave me thyroid meds told me always to take them in the morning. And keeping me awake was the reason why. Lynda At 08:01 AM 12/18/2007, you wrote: >Hi All, >My prescription for Armour says to take twice daily. I wasn't sure if >that meant during the day or if it'd be better to split it up with one >at breakfast and one at bedtime. I took it at bedtime but was awake >from 3 a.m. on! Just curious what time of the day you take yours. >Thanks. - PH > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 PH, You don't want to be taking Armour at bedtime! Take it when you get up, and again at 4 PM. Dr. Mercola has an article on this: http://www.mercola.com/article/hypothyroid/treatment.htm Patty > > Hi All, > My prescription for Armour says to take twice daily. I wasn't sure if > that meant during the day or if it'd be better to split it up with one > at breakfast and one at bedtime. I took it at bedtime but was awake > from 3 a.m. on! Just curious what time of the day you take yours. > Thanks. - PH > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Patty and Lynda, Thanks for the dosing advice and article by Mercola. I always forget to search his site and instead go to other sources, when his staff are my docs! I followed his advice today and felt more " even " throughout the day. Hopefully I'll sleep well tonight. Love, PH > > > > Hi All, > > My prescription for Armour says to take twice daily. I wasn't sure > if > > that meant during the day or if it'd be better to split it up with > one > > at breakfast and one at bedtime. I took it at bedtime but was > awake > > from 3 a.m. on! Just curious what time of the day you take yours. > > Thanks. - PH > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 As far as I know 1 grain is equivalent to 60 mcgs. This is what the doctor said when he prescribed my Armour as he has given me 2 grain tablets. I was on 150 mcgs of levothyroxine. It might be that this is another attempt to discredit Armour. Glynis > > I am confused. > Chris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 I think you may have read the chart wrong! It does say that 1 grain Armour = 60 mcg of levothyroxine. Glynis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Hi Glynis I've kept reading it and read it that 1 grain equals 60mg armour thyroid equivalent to 100 mcg levothyroxine. Luv Chris > > I think you may have read the chart wrong! It does say that 1 grain > Armour = 60 mcg of levothyroxine. > > Glynis > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Hi I grain = 60 mg weight equivalent, it's what each grain of desiccated thyroid contains that matters- that's where I thing you got mixed up. Each grain contains 38mcg T4 and 9mcg T3 ( T3 is 4x as potent as T4 ) = 4x9=36 total per grain 38+36=74 mcg T4- assuming you can convert. Subject: Re: Armour Dosing Hi This is what I read and it seems to be from Forest http://www.armourthyroid.com/con_faqs.aspx#q4 Luv Chris > > As far as I know 1 grain is equivalent to 60 mcgs. This is what the > doctor said when he prescribed my Armour as he has given me 2 grain > tablets. I was on 150 mcgs of levothyroxine. It might be that this is > another attempt to discredit Armour. > > Glynis > > > > > > > > I am confused. > > > Chris > > > Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Hi How much the Armour is' worth' depends on whether you can convert T4 to T3 or not. You are probably going too fast and may end up hyper if you take too much armour too quickly as the effect of the T3 can be almost instant. Go to the website and read the how to dose with Armour file. Subject: Armour Dosing Hi I am confused. Can anyone enlighten me as I decided yesterday to change over and I took 1 grain last night and 1 1/2 grains this morning and I am not sure whether to take any more this afternoon, I feel fine so far. Luv Chris Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Hi I've already taken another grain but wont take any more today. Trouble is on 200 levothyroxine if I miss just one day my T3 goes down below normal and I feel it badly so I'm scared to drop too low so I'm initially trying a straight swap. Luv Chris > > Hi > How much the Armour is' worth' depends on whether you can convert > T4 to T3 or not. > You are probably going too fast and may end up hyper if you take too much > armour too quickly as the effect of the T3 can be almost instant. Go to the > website and read the how to dose with Armour file. > > > Subject: Armour Dosing > > Hi > > I am confused. > > Can anyone enlighten me as I decided yesterday to change over and I > took 1 grain last night and 1 1/2 grains this morning and I am not > sure whether to take any more this afternoon, I feel fine so far. > > Luv > Chris > > > > > > > > Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always > consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 HI Chris Don't try to do a straight swap in calculating this yourself because Armour contains other hormones that you are not taking into account. To be absolutely safe and not give yourself any problems, do start at half a grain for the first 7 days. If no adverse effects, add another half grain, and because you were on 200 mcgs previously, you could add another half grain after 14 days. After that, stay on one and a half grains for 3 to 4 weeks and add another half grain after that time. Always remembering, of course, that if you get palpitations or other adverse reactions, you should cut back to the dosage you were on before. You really DO have to be careful how you use Armour. It has the active T3, T2, T1 and other goodies, and also calcitonin. You might want to check if your adrenals are boosted too, because neither thyroxine nor natural thyroid extract will work if they are low. luv - Sheila Armour Dosing> > Hi> > I am confused. > > Can anyone enlighten me as I decided yesterday to change over and I > took 1 grain last night and 1 1/2 grains this morning and I am not > sure whether to take any more this afternoon, I feel fine so far.> > Luv> Chris> > > > > > > > Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always> consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Thanks Sheila, I am so desperate to combat the osteopenia and not have to take the calcium and vit D which I now have to take along with the levothyroxine and so far today I have had no clicking in my neck. Im hoping the calcitonin and added bits will do the trick. I wrote to my GP telling her I was taking my life into my own hands now, I have no trust any more. Luv Chris > > > > Hi > > How much the Armour is' worth' depends on whether you > can convert > > T4 to T3 or not. > > You are probably going too fast and may end up hyper if you take > too much > > armour too quickly as the effect of the T3 can be almost instant. > Go to the > > website and read the how to dose with Armour file. > > > > > > Subject: Armour Dosing > > > > Hi > > > > I am confused. > > > > Can anyone enlighten me as I decided yesterday to change over and > I > > took 1 grain last night and 1 1/2 grains this morning and I am not > > sure whether to take any more this afternoon, I feel fine so far. > > > > Luv > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. > Always > > consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing > medication. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Other way round - 1 grain IS 60mg armour which = 100mcg thyroxine. http://www.armourthyroid.com/con_faqs.aspx#q4 Val I think you may have read the chart wrong! It does say that 1 grain Armour = 60 mcg of levothyroxine.Glynis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Hi Chris Don't take your calcium anywhere near your thyroxine. Like iron, you should take this at least four hours away - and this is the same with Armour too. Luv - Sheila Thanks Sheila, I am so desperate to combat the osteopenia and not have to take the calcium and vit D which I now have to take along with the levothyroxine and so far today I have had no clicking in my neck.Im hoping the calcitonin and added bits will do the trick.I wrote to my GP telling her I was taking my life into my own hands now, I have no trust any more.LuvChris> >> > Hi > > How much the Armour is' worth' depends on whether you > can convert> > T4 to T3 or not.> > You are probably going too fast and may end up hyper if you take > too much> > armour too quickly as the effect of the T3 can be almost instant. > Go to the> > website and read the how to dose with Armour file.> > > > > > Subject: Armour Dosing> > > > Hi> > > > I am confused. > > > > Can anyone enlighten me as I decided yesterday to change over and > I > > took 1 grain last night and 1 1/2 grains this morning and I am not > > sure whether to take any more this afternoon, I feel fine so far.> > > > Luv> > Chris> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. > Always> > consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing > medication. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Hi Sheila Do you think I could stop taking the calcium now Im taking Armour, I hate it, its like eating a lump of chalk twice a day. I am being very careful when I have it though. Luv Chris > > > > > > Hi > > > How much the Armour is' worth' depends on whether you > > can convert > > > T4 to T3 or not. > > > You are probably going too fast and may end up hyper if you > take > > too much > > > armour too quickly as the effect of the T3 can be almost > instant. > > Go to the > > > website and read the how to dose with Armour file. > > > > > > > > > Subject: Armour Dosing > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I am confused. > > > > > > Can anyone enlighten me as I decided yesterday to change over > and > > I > > > took 1 grain last night and 1 1/2 grains this morning and I am > not > > > sure whether to take any more this afternoon, I feel fine so > far. > > > > > > Luv > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. > > Always > > > consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing > > medication. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 The Forest Website is incorrect. I wrote to them long ago pointing this out, as people were believing 1 grain of Armour was equivalent to 100 mcgs thyroxine. Luv - Sheila Hi JuneIts great but quite contrary to Forests own website regarding dosage of their Armour.LuvChris> >> > Hi> >> > I am confused.> >> > I thought 1 grain armour was equivalent to 60mg levothyroxine.> > Therefore if on 200 mcg levothyroxine the equivalent dose would be> > approximately 3 grains armour.> >> > But I have just read the Forests Armour Thyroid website and it says> > 1 grain is equivalent to 100 mcg levothyroxine.> >> > Can anyone enlighten me as I decided yesterday to change over and I> > took 1 grain last night and 1 1/2 grains this morning and I am not> > sure whether to take any more this afternoon, I feel fine so far.> >> > Luv> > Chris> >> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: 08/03/2008 10:14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 But this is not taking into account the contribution of T2, which although not measured as so many mg, must be present in the equation of the comparison with thyroxine. Val The Forest Website is incorrect. I wrote to them long ago pointing this out, as people were believing 1 grain of Armour was equivalent to 100 mcgs thyroxine. Luv - Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Sheila this is very important as it effects your costings. Based on what the manufacturers say 1 grain = 60mg armour thyroid is equivalent to 100 mcg levothyroxine. 1 grain = £17.88 for 100 Cost for replacing 200 mcg levothyroxine with 2 x 1 grain of armour would be 17.88 for 50 days with is about £10.00 per month, even lower than what you have quoted. Luv Chris > > But this is not taking into account the contribution of T2, which although not measured as so many mg, must be present in the equation of the comparison with thyroxine. > > Val > > The Forest Website is incorrect. I wrote to them long ago pointing this out, as people were believing 1 grain of Armour was equivalent to 100 mcgs thyroxine. > > Luv - Sheila > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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