Re: HELP... mom and 3 year old son new to SCD, really struggling

[Guest guest]

Louise,

Welcome to the list.

You have lots of questions. I will do my best to address them.

SCD is NOT a low carbohydrate diet. The amount of

carbohydrates is not restricted in any way. Only the types of

carbohydrates are limited.

If you are concerned that your son is not getting enough

carbohydrates, please use Fitday.com to determine whether he

is or not. Fitday.com is completely free and can be customized

easily.

If you just switched to SCD a week ago, you are probably

introducing foods too quickly. We do not recommend starting nut

products so soon in the diet.

Please start with the intro diet if at all possible. This will give

your systems a little break and time to heal. Then begin to add

foods slowly. All peeled, seeded and cooked, with the only

exceptions be very ripe bananas and ripe avocados.

You asked about the probiotics. I am unsure what the D-lactate

free probiotics are. Elaine recommends L-Acidophilus which

can be ordered from Custom Probiotics. Start slowly with this.

Begin with 1/6th of the tiny, tiny spoon that comes with the

probiotics. My guess is that you have started with a much higher

dose than that. Taking a high dose can trigger a die-off reaction.

You mention your son losing weight. Was he overweight to start

with? If not, feed him more food. SCD should not trigger weight

loss in the long run. A few kids lose a little weight during the

intro diet, but then add the weight back afterward.

It really sounds to me like you are using a lot of nut products. I

would venture to guess that your systems are not ready for the

nuts if you have D. Please go back to the intro and add foods

more slowly this time to determine what you and your son can

tolerate. Foods that are well tolerated will not cause D.

You will need to make any " milk " from scratch. There are recipes

on pecanbread.com for many, many different things including nut

milk.

As for supplements, Elaine recommends a good multi-vitamin.

Freeda sells an SCD multi-vitamin. Many of the ASD kids use

products from Kirkman Labs. On pecanbread.com, you will find

a list of legal supplements. You can choose Freeda or one of

the others listed on the supplements page on pecanbread.com.

You asked what to do to prevent this from happening to your little

one. This is my personal opinion and doesn't reflect the opinion

of pecanbread.com or this list.... No more vaccines. And when

you introduce foods, only give him SCD foods. Once he is older

and doing well, you can try other foods and see how he reacts to

them. It will be much easier for you to have all three of you eating

the same foods than it will be to try to keep your older one from

grabbing goldfish from the younger one.

As for the yogurt, if it did not ferment long enough, there will not

be that many good bacteria in there. You don't have to throw it

out, but it may not be that potent.

If I have missed any of your questions, just repost and I will do

my best.

Jody

mom to -5 and -7

SCD 15 months

[Guest guest]

Jody, thank you so so much.

Fitday.com is awesome. Where do I find out the target amounts of carbs,

protein etc. that a 3 year old would need? How do you customize the nut

muffins, etc.?

We had been on GFCF so I thought we could probably add the new foods more

quickly. We will reluctantly go back to the intro diet.

Do you know who could tell me if the D-Lactate free probiotic is legal? I

bought it from Custom Probiotics, the same place that sells L-acidophilus.

No, my son is not overweight. He's not wild about this diet and is just

eating less. and it worries me.

Is it healthy to feed an infant only SCD foods?

Louise

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From: Jody G.

Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:05 PM

To: pecanbread

Subject: Re: HELP... mom and 3 year old son new to SCD, really

struggling

Louise,

Welcome to the list.

You have lots of questions. I will do my best to address them.

SCD is NOT a low carbohydrate diet. The amount of

carbohydrates is not restricted in any way. Only the types of

carbohydrates are limited.

If you are concerned that your son is not getting enough

carbohydrates, please use Fitday.com to determine whether he

is or not. Fitday.com is completely free and can be customized

easily.

If you just switched to SCD a week ago, you are probably

introducing foods too quickly. We do not recommend starting nut

products so soon in the diet.

Please start with the intro diet if at all possible. This will give

your systems a little break and time to heal. Then begin to add

foods slowly. All peeled, seeded and cooked, with the only

exceptions be very ripe bananas and ripe avocados.

You asked about the probiotics. I am unsure what the D-lactate

free probiotics are. Elaine recommends L-Acidophilus which

can be ordered from Custom Probiotics. Start slowly with this.

Begin with 1/6th of the tiny, tiny spoon that comes with the

probiotics. My guess is that you have started with a much higher

dose than that. Taking a high dose can trigger a die-off reaction.

You mention your son losing weight. Was he overweight to start

with? If not, feed him more food. SCD should not trigger weight

loss in the long run. A few kids lose a little weight during the

intro diet, but then add the weight back afterward.

It really sounds to me like you are using a lot of nut products. I

would venture to guess that your systems are not ready for the

nuts if you have D. Please go back to the intro and add foods

more slowly this time to determine what you and your son can

tolerate. Foods that are well tolerated will not cause D.

You will need to make any " milk " from scratch. There are recipes

on pecanbread.com for many, many different things including nut

milk.

As for supplements, Elaine recommends a good multi-vitamin.

Freeda sells an SCD multi-vitamin. Many of the ASD kids use

products from Kirkman Labs. On pecanbread.com, you will find

a list of legal supplements. You can choose Freeda or one of

the others listed on the supplements page on pecanbread.com.

You asked what to do to prevent this from happening to your little

one. This is my personal opinion and doesn't reflect the opinion

of pecanbread.com or this list.... No more vaccines. And when

you introduce foods, only give him SCD foods. Once he is older

and doing well, you can try other foods and see how he reacts to

them. It will be much easier for you to have all three of you eating

the same foods than it will be to try to keep your older one from

grabbing goldfish from the younger one.

As for the yogurt, if it did not ferment long enough, there will not

be that many good bacteria in there. You don't have to throw it

out, but it may not be that potent.

If I have missed any of your questions, just repost and I will do

my best.

Jody

mom to -5 and -7

SCD 15 months

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

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[Guest guest]

>

>

> No, my son is not overweight. He's not wild about this diet and is

just

> eating less. and it worries me.

>

>

>

> Is it healthy to feed an infant only SCD foods?

>

>

Louise, may I interupt? My son really resented the start of this

diet two weeks ago. He still does not really " like " all the foods I

give him, but I offer them anyway. Now he has to have a little of

this to get more of that. Yesterday he ate his peas without effort

and even asked for more today. It takes time for your little guy to

adjust and his tastes will change to begin to enjoy the foods

available. Then his weight should stabalize I imagine.

Personally, I have been following the diet out of a sence of

comrodery for my son (also, I am sick and tired of yeast infections)

and I am amazed how I can reach for an orange and banana when a

little hungry and not even miss the crackers, cereal, and all the

other " filler " foods that were so addictive to me. And I was

ADDICTED!!

As far as SCD for baby, my own personal opinion is that much of the

food we relied on before SCD seem like cheep fillers (think baby

crackers, cheerios, gold fish). They stick to our ribs and so we

think they are good. But I can't really feel guilty about not

serving bread, rice, cereal (yeah, I miss the potatoes!). To me, we

are serving just the healthy food. Get ready to serve all day long

though, for mine, it really doesn't stick to their ribs for long!

Its hard not to worry about our kids! But we have a good resource

here, don't we?

Helen, mom to three great kids, including (9 ASD, SCD 2 weeks)

[Guest guest]

>

>

> No, my son is not overweight. He's not wild about this diet and is

just

> eating less. and it worries me.

>

>

>

> Is it healthy to feed an infant only SCD foods?

>

>

Louise, may I interupt? My son really resented the start of this

diet two weeks ago. He still does not really " like " all the foods I

give him, but I offer them anyway. Now he has to have a little of

this to get more of that. Yesterday he ate his peas without effort

and even asked for more today. It takes time for your little guy to

adjust and his tastes will change to begin to enjoy the foods

available. Then his weight should stabalize I imagine.

Personally, I have been following the diet out of a sence of

comrodery for my son (also, I am sick and tired of yeast infections)

and I am amazed how I can reach for an orange and banana when a

little hungry and not even miss the crackers, cereal, and all the

other " filler " foods that were so addictive to me. And I was

ADDICTED!!

As far as SCD for baby, my own personal opinion is that much of the

food we relied on before SCD seem like cheep fillers (think baby

crackers, cheerios, gold fish). They stick to our ribs and so we

think they are good. But I can't really feel guilty about not

serving bread, rice, cereal (yeah, I miss the potatoes!). To me, we

are serving just the healthy food. Get ready to serve all day long

though, for mine, it really doesn't stick to their ribs for long!

Its hard not to worry about our kids! But we have a good resource

here, don't we?

Helen, mom to three great kids, including (9 ASD, SCD 2 weeks)

[Guest guest]

I have been thinking of this concept of food not " sticking to the

ribs " . I think it is like the difference between formula and

nursing. When you nurse a small baby, the timing is often about

every 2 hours but if you give formula you can get away with every 4

hours. It was explained to me that since the body can digest

breastmilk so much easier, the baby feels hungry sooner but formula

takes longer to digest making him feel full longer. This is probably

what is happening to our kids (and us adults on the diet).

> As far as SCD for baby, my own personal opinion is that much of the

> food we relied on before SCD seem like cheep fillers (think baby

> crackers, cheerios, gold fish). They stick to our ribs and so we

> think they are good. But I can't really feel guilty about not

> serving bread, rice, cereal (yeah, I miss the potatoes!). To me,

we

> are serving just the healthy food. Get ready to serve all day long

> though, for mine, it really doesn't stick to their ribs for long!

> Helen, mom to three great kids, including (9 ASD, SCD 2 weeks)