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oooh yes!! my front teeth used to ache so much, I used a mouthwash that was formulated to treat gingivitis. It took the ache away for a few hours at a time. Then the sensitivity seemed to improve for maybe a year or two and then came back again. I am sure it is hypo related no matter what the docs say. Mine definitely coincided with the start of hypo

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I know that symptoms can be wide ranging when dealing with hypothyroidism and Hashimoto's. Have any of you had issues with teeth sensitivity?

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Oh gods I have MAJOR dental problems -- believe it or not, as bad as my sensitive teeth are, they are the least of the issues. But yeah, I have this big time.

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Thanks for the tip . . . however, I already use toothpaste for sensitive teeth. It is prescribed by my dentist. Unfortunately, it has sodium lauryl sulfate, which can cause irritation in "sensitive" people (i.e. those of us with auto immune issues like Hashimoto's). Most toothpaste contains SLS, but I now use SLS-free toothpastes: Squigle Enamel Saver and also CloSYS, which was prescribed by my dentist and is especially made to treat gum disease. I also purchased a WaterPik, and all these things, along with the Synthroid, have made my problem more bearable. I have good mouth days and bad mouth days :-o, just like I have good and bad thyroid days. Today was a bad day -- ankle joints and feet were so stiff and sore and I had to nap mid-afternoon. Most of my days are good on the Synthroid, but the tooth pain still dogs me.

So . . . any of you found supplements or vitamins that help with this?

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When I get the teeth problem like that I get a toothpaste for sensitive teeth, afraid it has floride in, usually but it does work after a week or two. Then I can go back to my usual stuff.

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Also avoid toothpaste or other things that have fluoride.Fluoride wreaks havoc with the thyroid.

Feisty*also known as the one-tooth hag*

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Thanks for the tip . . . however, I already use toothpaste for sensitive teeth. It is prescribed by my dentist. Unfortunately, it has sodium lauryl sulfate, which can cause irritation in "sensitive" people (i.e. those of us with auto immune issues like Hashimoto's). Most toothpaste contains SLS, but I now use SLS-free toothpastes: Squigle Enamel Saver and also CloSYS, which was prescribed by my dentist and is especially made to treat gum disease. I also purchased a WaterPik, and all these things, along with the Synthroid, have made my problem more bearable. I have good mouth days and bad mouth days :-o, just like I have good and bad thyroid days. Today was a bad day -- ankle joints and feet were so stiff and sore and I had to nap mid-afternoon. Most of my days are good on the Synthroid, but the tooth pain still dogs me.

So . . . any of you found supplements or vitamins that help with this?

the teawife

Hi ,

When I get the teeth problem like that I get a toothpaste for sensitive teeth, afraid it has floride in, usually but it does work after a week or two. Then I can go back to my usual stuff.

Dawn

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This is what my dentist prescribed to me a couple of years ago . . . it has extra fluoride, which is supposed to enable the tooth to create a sheath of enamel to solve the sensitivity issue. However, I was dismayed to learn that it contains sodium lauryl sulfate, which is an irritant to my gums. So then my dentist prescribed Closys II, which has no SLS, but I still have some tooth sensitivity, even after many proactive measures on my part.

It's time for a visit with my dentist, so I'm going to see if he has information and literature that discusses thyroid disease and teeth sensitivity. It's too coincidental that both problems materialized at the same time. Maybe it's just one of those areas that has not been fully studied.

Thanks for your input,

the teawife

From: The_Thyroid_Support_Group [mailto:The_Thyroid_Support_Group ] On Although fluoride is the preferred method of dealing with dentinal hypersensitivity. Prevident 5000 is Rx and your DDS can prescribe it for you. (I'm a dental hygienist and had my thyroid removed last May.) Nick

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Fluoride is bad for the thyroid!

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This is what my dentist prescribed to me a couple of years ago . . . it has extra fluoride, which is supposed to enable the tooth to create a sheath of enamel to solve the sensitivity issue. However, I was dismayed to learn that it contains sodium lauryl sulfate, which is an irritant to my gums. So then my dentist prescribed Closys II, which has no SLS, but I still have some tooth sensitivity, even after many proactive measures on my part.

It's time for a visit with my dentist, so I'm going to see if he has information and literature that discusses thyroid disease and teeth sensitivity. It's too coincidental that both problems materialized at the same time. Maybe it's just one of those areas that has not been fully studied.

Thanks for your input,

the teawife

From: The_Thyroid_Support_Group [mailto:The_Thyroid_Support_Group ] On Although fluoride is the preferred method of dealing with dentinal hypersensitivity. Prevident 5000 is Rx and your DDS can prescribe it for you. (I'm a dental hygienist and had my thyroid removed last May.) Nick

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Well, I only know this . . . after the previous conversation about flouride and thyroids, even though no one said when I asked, I wrote a note to 's school saying I did NOT want him doing the flouride "swish" stuff they do once a week, stating I'd recently read a study that reported it's been found to be the cause of thyroid problems in some people, and we don't need to make his any worse.

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Fluoride is bad for the thyroid!

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Thank you so much, , for this information. I plan to discuss it

further at my doctor's appointment at the end of the month. I meet with the

physician's assistant instead of the endocrinologist, and the PA much more

receptive to my needs. I plan to ask her a range of questions, thanks to the

wonderful exchange on this list.

I really want to ask her about the ArmourThyroid and see if they can

prescribe it, and if not, " Why not? "

My teeth have gotten better with my thyroid medicine . . . But I still feel

some sensitivity -- nothing like I had! I've only been on Synthroid for a

month, and they are still in a process of tweaking the dosage. I think I

might need a slight bit more because on some days, I have a sinking

sensation and other symptoms towards the end of the day (including pins &

needles in my hands and feet and a " fullness " or congestion in my ears). I'm

on a very low dosage -- only 50 mcg.

I notice it all comes in cycles -- I suppose that comes with asking a

manmade medicine to do the job an organ should be doing. However, I'll have

three really fantastic days, and then on the fourth day, I'll have this

incredible need to nap or sleep in late. I feel like the " old, sad me " did

for years with undiagnosed thyroid disease! I've been so happy to have my

energy back this last month and that makes me really feel the effects on the

" bad days. "

the teawife

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In January I saw a thyroid consultant who has raised my dose of thyroxine. I

am now taking 175mcg (to be raised to 200mcg next weekend). On a routine

visit last week my dentist commented that my gums look much healthier with

no inflammation at all. The sinus problems have disappeared too and my

hearing seems fine. I havent been aware of any problems with sensitive

teeth for some time and hadnt even thought of it until I read these posts.

Of course it might all be coincidence but I really think that since my

general health is much better these things must be linked.

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Talk with your DDS. There are other things they can use to decrease

dentinal hypersensitivity that don't contain flouride. If all else

fails and the sensitivity remains, gumline fillings can be placed in

these extremely sensitive areas. Nick

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Talk with your DDS. There are other things they can use to decrease

dentinal hypersensitivity that don't contain flouride. If all else

fails and the sensitivity remains, gumline fillings can be placed in

these extremely sensitive areas. Nick

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Talk with your DDS. There are other things they can use to decrease

dentinal hypersensitivity that don't contain flouride. If all else

fails and the sensitivity remains, gumline fillings can be placed in

these extremely sensitive areas. Nick

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My own theory is that the gums have slightly fallen further down the body of

the tooth (teeth), now exposing the more sensitive dentine (sp?) of the

tooth, which was never meant to be exposed to the air. It may only be a

very subtle drop below this " line " , so may not be so noticeable, nonetheless

still below the sensitivity line. That's my opinion, but a long time ago,

one dentist told me that the sensitivity could be caused by microscopic

holes in the teeth, that can't be seen with the naked eye, and that this can

be hereditary in nature. I say thyroid in nature, because he did say that I

and all my children have these " holes " , including my two stepchildren.

THEIR biological mom had Grave's Disease, I have Hashimoto's, two of my own

natural daughters have Hashimoto's, and I suspect my oldest stepson of

having longstanding thyroid disease, but he just won't listen to me and get

tested, or let me help him test. That would be 2 out of my 4 natural

children, and 1 out of her 2 natural children. Even though I have taken

good care of my teeth, brushed and flossed most of my life and taught all of

them to do so, it seems that these particular children's teeth have had more

cavities and sensitivities than the other children. My teeth seem to be

pretty strong in the enamel, but are still developing sensitivity,

especially the bottome front row. Two of my children and one of hers, so

far, do not have full blown thyroid disease, but I've been seeing a lot of

suspicious signs lately, particularly in my youngest daughter, who is very

active, athletic, energetic, and very " bouncy " , exactly like I was all my

life. She has had 3 children very rapidly, is slender, 27 yrs old, and has

now been diagnosed with endometriosis. Not changing the sbjct, but it shows

that ALL these things are signals of a thyroid riddled family, and I

strongly believe that, from all the research and info I've gathered. There

is almost no one thing that it doesn't touch.

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>

>

> Talk with your DDS. There are other things they can use to decrease

> dentinal hypersensitivity that don't contain flouride. If all else

> fails and the sensitivity remains, gumline fillings can be placed in

> these extremely sensitive areas. Nick

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You're on the right track. The " line " is the CEJ, or cementoenamel

junction. Recession exposes the dentin, and some people have more

porous dentin (at a microscopic level). As saliva gets into these more

porous teeth, osmotic forces (sweet, sour, salty etc.) and/or

mechanical forces (brushing e.g.) cause the saliva in these microscopic

tubules to move back and forth. As this saliva moves inward, it presses

against what's in the pulp chamber ----- NERVE ENDINGS!! You sense this

as pain. The way any sensitivity toothpaste works is that it contains

substances that will block, or occlude these tubules (at a microscopic

level). If you block off enough of them, you decrease the sensitivity.

The amount of microscopic porosity in one's teeth can definately be

genetic. I often see parents and children that have this. Some are

thyroid patients also, but many are not. It's just one of the many

things that we can inherit from our parents.

There's your DENTAL201 lecture on hypersensitivity.

Nick, Registered Dental Hygienist

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Thank you to all who responded on this topic.

Several years ago, when I started having issues with sensitive teeth, my dentist explained the reasons for my agony -- his description was similar to what Nick outlined. Afterwards, I understood what caused the sensitivity, but I still didn't understand the underlying causes of it. I've always had excellent dental hygiene, and no one in the family has this problem. I also noted that my sensitivity increased as a number of thyroid-related symptoms continued to develop in my body (I only recently had an official diagnosis of Hashi's and hypoT).

After our discussion on this list about this toothy topic, and the realization that it was not a common one among thyroid suffers, I was stumped! So I did a bit more research and I found some sites regarding periodontal disease that explain it can sometimes be a "secondary" disease when there is an underlying auto immune issue. I have celiac disease and Hashi's, so my teeth sensitivity seems to be my body's difficulty in fighting infection.

Similarly, I took a flu mist this past season because the flu shots were not widely available. After I took it, I became ill with the flu! In looking at the mist literature, it recommends that people with auto immune deficiencies not take the mist. Now that I have been diagnosed with at least two auto immune diseases, I realize they were talking about people like me!

Our auto immune issues make it that much harder for our bodies to fight illness -- whether flu or gum disease.

My teeth did seem to feel better right after I went on the Synthroid last month. However, I don't think my dosage is high enough -- I will investigate this at my appointment next week. I'm having "break through" periods during the days. Yesterday, I was painting a bathroom, and the physical work caused a huge, huge slump and a return of thyroid symptoms -- particularly the shooting pains through my legs, back and feet and the appearance of pesky hives!

Thank you all for your help! the teawife

You're on the right track. The "line" is the CEJ, or cementoenamel junction. Recession exposes the dentin, and some people have more porous dentin (at a microscopic level). As saliva gets into these more porous teeth, osmotic forces (sweet, sour, salty etc.) and/or mechanical forces (brushing e.g.) cause the saliva in these microscopic tubules to move back and forth. As this saliva moves inward, it presses against what's in the pulp chamber ----- NERVE ENDINGS!! You sense this as pain. The way any sensitivity toothpaste works is that it contains substances that will block, or occlude these tubules (at a microscopic level). If you block off enough of them, you decrease the sensitivity.

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--- McAllister

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> Thank you to all who responded on this topic.

>

> Several years ago, when I started having issues with

> sensitive teeth, my

> dentist explained the reasons for my agony -- his

> description was similar to

> what Nick outlined. Afterwards, I understood what

> caused the sensitivity,

> but I still didn't understand the underlying causes

> of it. I've always had

> excellent dental hygiene, and no one in the family

> has this problem.

***** snip *****

Hi , my Dentist told me I was brushing too

hard, causing my gums to recede. I have noticed since

I switched to a Crest Spin Brush Pro that I don't push

as hard on the brush and my teeth aren't as sensitive

as they used to be, although where the tooth is

exposed at the gum line they are sensitive to touch

when I'm using a toothpick or floss pick to go after

something stubbornly stuck like popcorn hulls. I know

this doesn't help or explain much, but that's what I

was told and what has helped me the most.

Kathy >^,,^<

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--- McAllister

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> Thank you to all who responded on this topic.

>

> Several years ago, when I started having issues with

> sensitive teeth, my

> dentist explained the reasons for my agony -- his

> description was similar to

> what Nick outlined. Afterwards, I understood what

> caused the sensitivity,

> but I still didn't understand the underlying causes

> of it. I've always had

> excellent dental hygiene, and no one in the family

> has this problem.

***** snip *****

Hi , my Dentist told me I was brushing too

hard, causing my gums to recede. I have noticed since

I switched to a Crest Spin Brush Pro that I don't push

as hard on the brush and my teeth aren't as sensitive

as they used to be, although where the tooth is

exposed at the gum line they are sensitive to touch

when I'm using a toothpick or floss pick to go after

something stubbornly stuck like popcorn hulls. I know

this doesn't help or explain much, but that's what I

was told and what has helped me the most.

Kathy >^,,^<

KitzCat146@...

http://www.chaytongroup.com/modernbill/order/index.php?aid=ka081104

http://www.heartwarmers4u.com/members/?kitzcat

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Thanks, Kathy . . . I've been through all this with my dentist . . . it is not the way I brush my teeth or my dental hygiene. He's been as perplexed as me. We've tried changing toothbrushes, introducing the water pik, never failing to floss daily, using Closys, using Prevident, etc., etc. . . . he'd even have me stand on my head and brush my teeth if he thought it would help!

I think he'll finally have some understanding of this mystery when I tell him that I've been diagnosed with HypoT. Along with the celiac disease, which can leach out nutrients from my body, I think I'm starting to understand my underlying issues.

Again, auto immune deficiencies can cause secondary problems, such as difficulty in fighting infections.

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Hi

I am interested in your dental theory.

It effects my family too.

What exactly do you think causes gums to recede or tiny holes in

teeth?

How does the thyroid do this?

Jen

> My own theory is that the gums have slightly fallen further down

the body of

> the tooth (teeth), now exposing the more sensitive dentine (sp?) of

the

> tooth, which was never meant to be exposed to the air. It may only

be a

> very subtle drop below this " line " , so may not be so noticeable,

nonetheless

> still below the sensitivity line. That's my opinion, but a long

time ago,

> one dentist told me that the sensitivity could be caused by

microscopic

> holes in the teeth, that can't be seen with the naked eye, and that

this can

> be hereditary in nature. I say thyroid in nature, because he did

say that I

> and all my children have these " holes " , including my two

stepchildren.

> THEIR biological mom had Grave's Disease, I have Hashimoto's, two

of my own

> natural daughters have Hashimoto's, and I suspect my oldest stepson

of

> having longstanding thyroid disease, but he just won't listen to me

and get

> tested, or let me help him test. That would be 2 out of my 4

natural

> children, and 1 out of her 2 natural children. Even though I have

taken

> good care of my teeth, brushed and flossed most of my life and

taught all of

> them to do so, it seems that these particular children's teeth have

had more

> cavities and sensitivities than the other children. My teeth seem

to be

> pretty strong in the enamel, but are still developing sensitivity,

> especially the bottome front row. Two of my children and one of

hers, so

> far, do not have full blown thyroid disease, but I've been seeing a

lot of

> suspicious signs lately, particularly in my youngest daughter, who

is very

> active, athletic, energetic, and very " bouncy " , exactly like I was

all my

> life. She has had 3 children very rapidly, is slender, 27 yrs old,

and has

> now been diagnosed with endometriosis. Not changing the sbjct, but

it shows

> that ALL these things are signals of a thyroid riddled family, and I

> strongly believe that, from all the research and info I've

gathered. There

> is almost no one thing that it doesn't touch.

>

>

>

> Re: sensitive teeth

>

>

> >

> >

> > Talk with your DDS. There are other things they can use to

decrease

> > dentinal hypersensitivity that don't contain flouride. If all else

> > fails and the sensitivity remains, gumline fillings can be placed

in

> > these extremely sensitive areas. Nick

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> Talk with your DDS. There are other things they can use to decrease

> dentinal hypersensitivity that don't contain flouride. If all else

> fails and the sensitivity remains, gumline fillings can be placed in

> these extremely sensitive areas. Nick

What are the options other than the fluoride? I was given " Fluoridex "

and told it was the only product that might help.

Barb.

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Thanks Nick! My lower front ones are definitely beginning to show a little

more of their bottoms than they should. I don't understand this, as I've

brushed and flossed, twice a day and, respectively, once a day, all my life.

Then I've known people who didn't take a flipping care about their teeth and

have never had a cavity one or any gum problems. It doesn't make sense.

Re: sensitive teeth

>

>

> You're on the right track. The " line " is the CEJ, or cementoenamel

> junction. Recession exposes the dentin, and some people have more

> porous dentin (at a microscopic level). As saliva gets into these more

> porous teeth, osmotic forces (sweet, sour, salty etc.) and/or

> mechanical forces (brushing e.g.) cause the saliva in these microscopic

> tubules to move back and forth. As this saliva moves inward, it presses

> against what's in the pulp chamber ----- NERVE ENDINGS!! You sense this

> as pain. The way any sensitivity toothpaste works is that it contains

> substances that will block, or occlude these tubules (at a microscopic

> level). If you block off enough of them, you decrease the sensitivity.

>

> The amount of microscopic porosity in one's teeth can definately be

> genetic. I often see parents and children that have this. Some are

> thyroid patients also, but many are not. It's just one of the many

> things that we can inherit from our parents.

>

> There's your DENTAL201 lecture on hypersensitivity.

> Nick, Registered Dental Hygienist

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I don't take any flu shots or meds any more because I have Hashi's. Also, my understanding is that the flu mist is a LIVE virus, so that doesn't help either.

RE: Re: sensitive teeth

Thank you to all who responded on this topic.

Several years ago, when I started having issues with sensitive teeth, my dentist explained the reasons for my agony -- his description was similar to what Nick outlined. Afterwards, I understood what caused the sensitivity, but I still didn't understand the underlying causes of it. I've always had excellent dental hygiene, and no one in the family has this problem. I also noted that my sensitivity increased as a number of thyroid-related symptoms continued to develop in my body (I only recently had an official diagnosis of Hashi's and hypoT).

After our discussion on this list about this toothy topic, and the realization that it was not a common one among thyroid suffers, I was stumped! So I did a bit more research and I found some sites regarding periodontal disease that explain it can sometimes be a "secondary" disease when there is an underlying auto immune issue. I have celiac disease and Hashi's, so my teeth sensitivity seems to be my body's difficulty in fighting infection.

Similarly, I took a flu mist this past season because the flu shots were not widely available. After I took it, I became ill with the flu! In looking at the mist literature, it recommends that people with auto immune deficiencies not take the mist. Now that I have been diagnosed with at least two auto immune diseases, I realize they were talking about people like me!

Our auto immune issues make it that much harder for our bodies to fight illness -- whether flu or gum disease.

My teeth did seem to feel better right after I went on the Synthroid last month. However, I don't think my dosage is high enough -- I will investigate this at my appointment next week. I'm having "break through" periods during the days. Yesterday, I was painting a bathroom, and the physical work caused a huge, huge slump and a return of thyroid symptoms -- particularly the shooting pains through my legs, back and feet and the appearance of pesky hives!

Thank you all for your help! the teawife

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I don't take any flu shots or meds any more because I have Hashi's. Also, my understanding is that the flu mist is a LIVE virus, so that doesn't help either.

RE: Re: sensitive teeth

Thank you to all who responded on this topic.

Several years ago, when I started having issues with sensitive teeth, my dentist explained the reasons for my agony -- his description was similar to what Nick outlined. Afterwards, I understood what caused the sensitivity, but I still didn't understand the underlying causes of it. I've always had excellent dental hygiene, and no one in the family has this problem. I also noted that my sensitivity increased as a number of thyroid-related symptoms continued to develop in my body (I only recently had an official diagnosis of Hashi's and hypoT).

After our discussion on this list about this toothy topic, and the realization that it was not a common one among thyroid suffers, I was stumped! So I did a bit more research and I found some sites regarding periodontal disease that explain it can sometimes be a "secondary" disease when there is an underlying auto immune issue. I have celiac disease and Hashi's, so my teeth sensitivity seems to be my body's difficulty in fighting infection.

Similarly, I took a flu mist this past season because the flu shots were not widely available. After I took it, I became ill with the flu! In looking at the mist literature, it recommends that people with auto immune deficiencies not take the mist. Now that I have been diagnosed with at least two auto immune diseases, I realize they were talking about people like me!

Our auto immune issues make it that much harder for our bodies to fight illness -- whether flu or gum disease.

My teeth did seem to feel better right after I went on the Synthroid last month. However, I don't think my dosage is high enough -- I will investigate this at my appointment next week. I'm having "break through" periods during the days. Yesterday, I was painting a bathroom, and the physical work caused a huge, huge slump and a return of thyroid symptoms -- particularly the shooting pains through my legs, back and feet and the appearance of pesky hives!

Thank you all for your help! the teawife

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Did you know that hypos have a LOT of trouble converting Vitamin A to the more useable form? This would be a main nutrient for the gums. I also have this problem, so I'm wondering if I don't need a little more Vitamin A? It's a thought.

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Thanks, Kathy . . . I've been through all this with my dentist . . . it is not the way I brush my teeth or my dental hygiene. He's been as perplexed as me. We've tried changing toothbrushes, introducing the water pik, never failing to floss daily, using Closys, using Prevident, etc., etc. . . . he'd even have me stand on my head and brush my teeth if he thought it would help!

I think he'll finally have some understanding of this mystery when I tell him that I've been diagnosed with HypoT. Along with the celiac disease, which can leach out nutrients from my body, I think I'm starting to understand my underlying issues.

Again, auto immune deficiencies can cause secondary problems, such as difficulty in fighting infections.

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As far as nutrients, see my answer on Vitamin A to . But I

personally think that the tiny microscopic holes are something like a form

of osteoporosis, not from HYPER, but rather from longstanding hypo. Both my

own children and my stepchildren, all have hypo mothers. Weird, huh? She

had Grave's, but is now hypo, and I have Hashimoto's, along with at least

two of my natural children.

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>

> Hi

>

> I am interested in your dental theory.

> It effects my family too.

> What exactly do you think causes gums to recede or tiny holes in

> teeth?

> How does the thyroid do this?

>

> Jen

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That is why a lot of us have a yellowish cast to our skin....distinguished from the jaundice from liver problems because there is no discoloration of the eyes...likeee there is with the jaundice. Also with this conversion problem, the yellowish tint is particularly noticed on the palms of the hands...

Feisty

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Thanks, Kathy . . . I've been through all this with my dentist . . . it is not the way I brush my teeth or my dental hygiene. He's been as perplexed as me. We've tried changing toothbrushes, introducing the water pik, never failing to floss daily, using Closys, using Prevident, etc., etc. . . . he'd even have me stand on my head and brush my teeth if he thought it would help!

I think he'll finally have some understanding of this mystery when I tell him that I've been diagnosed with HypoT. Along with the celiac disease, which can leach out nutrients from my body, I think I'm starting to understand my underlying issues.

Again, auto immune deficiencies can cause secondary problems, such as difficulty in fighting infections.

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