Herbs

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He just wants to have a way to know whats in store for him..........he wants quality not quantity. when the doc told him he cold go on like this for 2 to 3 years.....his reaction was "I'll take it!! That would make me 90!!" even the doc had a chuckle. My Dad is out tonight with his girlfrend......a spring chicken at 72! I told him he was robbing the cradle! I want him to be as prepared for whats ahead as can be, so he can plan on doing the things he wants.

Hugs

Judie

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In a message dated 10/7/01 10:44:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tdcc2000@... writes:

Harper, are you saying that people have to take prednisone for the rest of our lives?

debby

My doctor strongly recommends that all AIH patients stay on maintenance Prednisone dosages throughout their lifetime; some other doctors do not. I think that doctors disagree as to the best general course of action, and also that each patient is different.

Dr. Palmer's book says that 14% to 50% of people who go into remission stay in remission after medication is discontinued. (I don't understand that statement --14 to 50 is a big percentage spread!) The text then elaborates on which patients are most likely to relapse.

Harper (AIH 5/00)

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In a message dated 10/7/01 11:13:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tdcc2000@... writes:

Interesting....I just don't understand how come we can't get into remission and stay...but then I am so new at all of this. The literature that I have read also said there are few that maintain remission. I hope I am one of those who make it, but I am just new at the meds, and I guess it won't happen for several years.

debby

To cite Palmer's book again, "It takes about a year-and-a-half to two years for most people to go into remission. Some people respond much faster -- perhaps within six months -- while others take years. Approximately 14 to 50 % of these people remain in long-tgerm remission after medications are discontinued. People who remain in remission usually have a normal life expectancy. . . Up to 20% of people with AIH do not respond to conventional treatment. The reason for this is unclear and is subject to differing opinions among researchers . . ."

Harper

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Harper, are you saying that people have to take prednisone for the rest of our lives?

debby

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In a message dated 10/5/01 4:46:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pattyeady@... writes:

But I came off prednisone and am still in remission so I know I made the right decision. I am still concerned that I may not stay in remission though. My doctor says he generally has about a dozen AIH patients, and he's never had anyone who quit prednisone and was able to stay in remission permanently. However, statistics show that some people are lucky and succeed at it! Harper (AIH 5/00)

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Interesting....I just don't understand how come we can't get into remission and stay...but then I am so new at all of this. The literature that I have read also said there are few that maintain remission. I hope I am one of those who make it, but I am just new at the meds, and I guess it won't happen for several years.

debby

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In a message dated 10/7/01 10:44:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tdcc2000@... writes:

Harper, are you saying that people have to take prednisone for the rest of our lives? debby My doctor strongly recommends that all AIH patients stay on maintenance Prednisone dosages throughout their lifetime; some other doctors do not. I think that doctors disagree as to the best general course of action, and also that each patient is different. Dr. Palmer's book says that 14% to 50% of people who go into remission stay in remission after medication is discontinued. (I don't understand that statement --14 to 50 is a big percentage spread!) The text then elaborates on which patients are most likely to relapse. Harper (AIH 5/00)

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has anyone tried Bromelain - also the cream called Boswella.

Also can someone help me understand about herbs such as ginseng and others to

boost our immune system, I'm confused on which is good and bad.

I'm also taking seledium, green tea, Vit E - b-complx. -

I was told by a friend this week that her Dad takes odor free Garlic and

works out in the garden and the mostqitoes don't even bother him, they were

eating her up.

he claims they use to bother him but not anymore.

I've had my 2nd treatment of Remicade and also on a small dose of MTX.

6 ultracet's a day and 20mg of Bextra, just wasn't getting it. had a shot of

corti.

last Friday. so Again I'm checking out herbs, to try and replace the

ultracet and bextra.

Thanks for anyone's help.

Jan in Dothan, AL

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I am interested in boswella cream too. Is that something to stay

away from? A friend of mine used it for swelling arthritic knees and

it was amazingly helpful.

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There are not a lot of herbs that work with PA.... and

what's more, most of your herbalists and homeopathic

" Doctors " are absolutely clueless when it comes to

PA. My fruit-cake sister in law is totally " natural "

and keeps coming at me with this crap and that

garbage.... Whenever she comes with it, I have to ask

her, " Where did you get it, and what does that person know

about PA? " But other than that, most herbals are bunk and

any snake-oil salesman that would convince you that you

need glucosemin and condroiten doesn't know their <buttocks>

from their elbow - or your tendons from cartilage.

[Message modified slightly by moderator, even though I agree with your

sentiments ;-) -Ron]

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HI, I agree with Meghan, plus it is a good idea to ALWAYS check with

your Dr. before taking anything, especially when you're taking

prescribed medications.

B

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I started using garlic for cholesteral. It lowered it about 30 points and I

no longer get chigger bites. However, the mosquitoes still find me quite

tasty!

Ks Di

[ ] Re:herbs

has anyone tried Bromelain - also the cream called Boswella.

Also can someone help me understand about herbs such as ginseng and others

to

boost our immune system, I'm confused on which is good and bad.

I'm also taking seledium, green tea, Vit E - b-complx. -

I was told by a friend this week that her Dad takes odor free Garlic and

works out in the garden and the mostqitoes don't even bother him, they were

eating her up.

he claims they use to bother him but not anymore.

I've had my 2nd treatment of Remicade and also on a small dose of MTX.

6 ultracet's a day and 20mg of Bextra, just wasn't getting it. had a shot

of

corti.

last Friday. so Again I'm checking out herbs, to try and replace the

ultracet and bextra.

Thanks for anyone's help.

Jan in Dothan, AL

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In a message dated 08/11/2002 9:01:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

JNJSewing@... writes:

> herbs such as ginseng and others to

> boost our immune system, I'm confused on which is good and bad.

All herbs that BOOST the immune system are BAD for PA! Stop trying to

increase your immunity - you are fighting against the PA treatments by doing

so.

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In a message dated 08/13/2002 2:50:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

popeatlarge2000@... writes:

> and there is NO

> EVIDENCE to suggest that using herbs and supplements

> will counteract psoriatic arthritis treatment.

Mike - I'm not dismissing herbs and alternative treatments. EPO works

wonders for some. What I believe Meghan (I think it was Meghan) and I are

saying is - Don't take any herbs that boost the immune system such as

enchineca, etc. - You are then fighting against the DMARDS which lower the

immune system. Lowering the immune system is how we get our bodies to stop

attacking the joints, ligaments, tendons, etc. which is what is our whole

problem with PA.

Certainly there are many wonderful herbs and supplements to use. Just watch

out for any that boost your immunity as you would be counteracting the DMARDS.

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You are entitled to guide your own treatment, but I

would advise you not to dismiss herbal remedies. We

are, after all, dealing with a disease the cause of

which is still unknown. Using herbs and supplements

promotes general health, and taking specific herbs and

supplements can help fight damage caused by this

disease and the harsh pharmaceuticals we are forced to

use. Here's what I take:

— evening primrose oil reduces inflammation associated

with arthritis

— milk thistle reduces liver damage caused by

pharmaceuticals (also, there is good reason to believe

that liver dysfunction causes psoriatic arthritis)

— garlic fights bacteria such as the

fingernail/toenail variety associated with psoriasis

— lecithin prevents virus infections (some doctors

think that psoriatic arthritis may be caused by a

viral infection), cleans the liver (again, the liver

is damaged by pharmaceuticals such as Vioxx, Celebrex

and, of course, Methotrexate) and purifies the kidneys

(also damaged by pharmaceuticals).

— coenzyme Q10 prevents cellular damage caused by

unstable oxygen molecules called free radicals (some

think this may contribute to psoriatic arthritis)

It's important to remember that herbs and supplements,

unlike pharmaceuticals, will not dramatically all your

symptoms the day you take them — and there is NO

EVIDENCE to suggest that using herbs and supplements

will counteract psoriatic arthritis treatment. They

are things to add to your diet to make sure your body

is getting what it needs. I think of taking these the

same way I do about eating spinach on a regular basis

or going to the gym several times a week. Since I have

been taking herbs and supplements, I feel a greater

general well-being — physically and emotionally.

Dismiss these if you like, but remember that each one

of the items mentioned above were helping people

prevent diseases for many years before Celebrex was

invented.

Mike Pope

Tallahassee, Florida

P.S. for more information about natural treatment to

this disease, check out " The Psoriasis Cure. "

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0895299178/qid=1029259262/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1\

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> In a message dated 08/11/2002 9:01:03 PM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> JNJSewing@... writes:

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>

> > herbs such as ginseng and others to

> > boost our immune system, I'm confused on which is

> good and bad.

>

> All herbs that BOOST the immune system are BAD for

> PA! Stop trying to

> increase your immunity - you are fighting against

> the PA treatments by doing

> so.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

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I keep hearing conflicting things abut dried herbs: firstly, that they

do have mould and should be avoided, then some people say the tiny

amount you eat, and because you usually cook them (not in dressings

obviously but in hot sauces and soups) makes it ok. Anyone have any

thoughts?

RE: Re: Salad - here i come! - michelle

try adding dry mustard to the eggs before adding the additional

ingredients.

Also, the addition of herbs can make mayonnaise a wonderfully versatile

sauce.

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Y'know, I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that there are few things out

there that DON'T have mold on them somehow, somewhere, sometime (think

leftovers for instance). So I guess it's a matter of degree. IMHO this

regimen is restricted enough and we have to get flavour from somewhere. So

I'd go with the dried herbs.

From: " Simon "

> I keep hearing conflicting things abut dried herbs:

>

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I agree, but fresh herbs are always an option. Also, if you don't have cats

that will eat them, almost all of them are really easy to grow in a sunny

window in little pots. You can cut a little and use them and they grow back.

Re: herbs

Y'know, I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that there are few things out

there that DON'T have mold on them somehow, somewhere, sometime (think

leftovers for instance). So I guess it's a matter of degree. IMHO this

regimen is restricted enough and we have to get flavour from somewhere. So

I'd go with the dried herbs.

From: " Simon "

> I keep hearing conflicting things abut dried herbs:

>

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Dear Ralph and JoAnn,

RE: Herbs. When I first visited Dr. H, he told me about a doctor who had

herbs for lyme. I am sorry, but I don't recall the name now. I am sure someone

else will come along with the name as I have seen it several times since on

this site.

I want to say Dr. Zhang, but I am not sure. When you get the information,

you can call them and they will send out information. If I recall correctly, it

was about $300 a month for his plan.

I was taking the garlic that my doc suggested at first from this company. It

was costing me $80 a month. I only took it one month and switched to eating

raw garlic.

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> Hi everybody,

>

> Is there a list of herbs anyone can tell us about for lymes?

>

> Thank you for your help,

>

> Ralph & JoAnn

Samento (aka Saventaro or TOA-free Cat's Claw) is probably the

single best herb for Lyme. Carnivora is also excellent, but a

fairly expensive. Also Artemisinin.

Lesser but good synergistic herbs that can be added and aid in case

of coinfections are Olive leaf extract, garlic, bitter melon. The

old stand-by Colloidal Silver will also give some herxes. Also,

combining Noni juice and shark liver oil (Squalene) can have a good

anti-microbial as well as calming anti-depressant affect.

Craig

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And if you have used them, what are they for?? Symptoms or for

killing the virus??

Barbara

> Has anyone here used Milk Thistle ,Dandelion ,or Red Clover?

> Rhonda

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here is a site I found

http://www.skyeherbals.com/hepc/symptoms.html

I had Milk Thistle suggested to me by a friend. I had an idea of taking it

until I start treatment but I would love more information first

Rhonda

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> And if you have used them, what are they for?? Symptoms or for

> killing the virus??

> Barbara

>

>

> > Has anyone here used Milk Thistle ,Dandelion ,or Red Clover?

> > Rhonda

>

>

>

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I used milk thistle mainly, but I believe I had a mixture which contained burdock root and dandelion (something or other). This was before I went on treatment and I actually lowered my alt/ast counts into the normal range before starting treatment. -dz-Rhonda <rhondahudson@...> wrote:

Has anyone here used Milk Thistle ,Dandelion ,or Red Clover?Rhonda BEGIN:VCARDVERSION:2.1N:Hudson;RhondaFN:Rhonda HudsonEMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:rhondahudson@...REV:20040730T152324ZEND:VCARD

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Thank you Dave-heartening news!

Rhonda

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> I used milk thistle mainly, but I believe I had a mixture which contained

burdock root and dandelion (something or other). This was before I went on

treatment and I actually lowered my alt/ast counts into the normal range

before starting treatment. -dz-

>

> Rhonda <rhondahudson@...> wrote:Has anyone here used Milk

Thistle ,Dandelion ,or Red Clover?

> Rhonda

>

>

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Rhonda, my husband has been using milk thistle since before treatment. What is

dandelion and red clover supposed to do?

Sue and gidget

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I was told that the milk thistle would help rejuvinate the liver, or help with

its cleansing abilities. i don't know if it worked, but it didn't hurt and he's

still taking it.

Sue and Gidget

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Well heck I don't know!!

I was on a site where they had Milk Thistle, Dandelion Root, and Red Clover

all on the same page for Hepatitis C.

Of course I can't find it now

Rhonda

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> Rhonda, my husband has been using milk thistle since before treatment.

What is dandelion and red clover supposed to do?

> Sue and gidget

>

>

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