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Friends!

Who cares about our cheesy website right now? Nobody in their right mind.

The finest website in Internetdom won't help us unless we have MEMBERS. Our

website is good enough right now to get you the application you need to join.

DO IT. We can finish fixing the website later.

What's past is past about our board. THAT WAS THEN. THIS IS NOW.

Are we going to bitch and moan like we always have about this faction or

that, or are we for once going to bond together and get something done for our

profession?

Now is the time to put your money where your mouth is. It only costs you $35

to become a paid member for a year and add your weight to our membership.

Folks, if we could tell our legislators that we have 5,000 members, we could

do anything we wanted. If we had 10,000 members, they would be groveling at

our feet to see what we wanted.

Where do you stand? Will you step forward and make your weight count?

Do you want EMS to be under the Texas Department of Public Safety? Do you

want EMS to be under the Texas Board of Nurse Examiners? Do you want there to

be NO agency that has responsibility ONLY TO EMS? That's where we're headed

at warp speed, folks. We're already 90% there, and it's going to be a hard

landing.

We must get an EMS Commission through the next legislature, and that means we

needed to start YESTERDAY.

Gene G.

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Friends!

Who cares about our cheesy website right now? Nobody in their right mind.

The finest website in Internetdom won't help us unless we have MEMBERS. Our

website is good enough right now to get you the application you need to join.

DO IT. We can finish fixing the website later.

What's past is past about our board. THAT WAS THEN. THIS IS NOW.

Are we going to bitch and moan like we always have about this faction or

that, or are we for once going to bond together and get something done for our

profession?

Now is the time to put your money where your mouth is. It only costs you $35

to become a paid member for a year and add your weight to our membership.

Folks, if we could tell our legislators that we have 5,000 members, we could

do anything we wanted. If we had 10,000 members, they would be groveling at

our feet to see what we wanted.

Where do you stand? Will you step forward and make your weight count?

Do you want EMS to be under the Texas Department of Public Safety? Do you

want EMS to be under the Texas Board of Nurse Examiners? Do you want there to

be NO agency that has responsibility ONLY TO EMS? That's where we're headed

at warp speed, folks. We're already 90% there, and it's going to be a hard

landing.

We must get an EMS Commission through the next legislature, and that means we

needed to start YESTERDAY.

Gene G.

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Friends!

Who cares about our cheesy website right now? Nobody in their right mind.

The finest website in Internetdom won't help us unless we have MEMBERS. Our

website is good enough right now to get you the application you need to join.

DO IT. We can finish fixing the website later.

What's past is past about our board. THAT WAS THEN. THIS IS NOW.

Are we going to bitch and moan like we always have about this faction or

that, or are we for once going to bond together and get something done for our

profession?

Now is the time to put your money where your mouth is. It only costs you $35

to become a paid member for a year and add your weight to our membership.

Folks, if we could tell our legislators that we have 5,000 members, we could

do anything we wanted. If we had 10,000 members, they would be groveling at

our feet to see what we wanted.

Where do you stand? Will you step forward and make your weight count?

Do you want EMS to be under the Texas Department of Public Safety? Do you

want EMS to be under the Texas Board of Nurse Examiners? Do you want there to

be NO agency that has responsibility ONLY TO EMS? That's where we're headed

at warp speed, folks. We're already 90% there, and it's going to be a hard

landing.

We must get an EMS Commission through the next legislature, and that means we

needed to start YESTERDAY.

Gene G.

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Okay, Gene,

I'll bite. Tell me how to join EMSAT, and what, exactly y'all are doing to

move Texas EMS forward (or EMS as whole). I have been watching the debate for

quite sometime now (if EMSAT is worth the effort or not).

Prove to me EMSAT has the initiative to move this beast forward.

I'm there, if y'all are serious about progressing. Talking is great, but

show me that " walk. "

No doubt, Texas, and EMS as whole needs a huge push. I would love to be one

of many voices that makes this happen.

Anxiously awaiting your response.

, LP, RN, FP-C

Clinical Manager

PHI Air Medial - Texas (SKYMED)

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Gene,

I think it is important to tell everyone exactly what EMSAT has done and can do

for EMS. It was posted as a question earlier with no specific explanation, so I

will ask it again. What has EMSAT done since its existence? Many hear you say

that increasing membership will look good to the legislators, but what the

majority of the providers don't know is how EMSAT works. How each members voice

can be heard and what individuals are already in place that will assist EMS as a

whole to obtain our goals.

I am for a change and I do believe that we need a strong board to stand up for

EMS just like the Board of Nursing or any of the other Boards that are well

established. I do believe that a " campaign " type speech would help individuals

to know that this is what HAS to happen.

Just my Thoughts,

, LP

Flight Paramedic

Memorial Hermann Life Flight

Houston, Texas

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Friends!

Who cares about our cheesy website right now? Nobody in their right mind.

The finest website in Internetdom won't help us unless we have MEMBERS. Our

website is good enough right now to get you the application you need to join.

DO IT. We can finish fixing the website later.

What's past is past about our board. THAT WAS THEN. THIS IS NOW.

Are we going to bitch and moan like we always have about this faction or

that, or are we for once going to bond together and get something done for our

profession?

Now is the time to put your money where your mouth is. It only costs you $35

to become a paid member for a year and add your weight to our membership.

Folks, if we could tell our legislators that we have 5,000 members, we could

do anything we wanted. If we had 10,000 members, they would be groveling at

our feet to see what we wanted.

Where do you stand? Will you step forward and make your weight count?

Do you want EMS to be under the Texas Department of Public Safety? Do you

want EMS to be under the Texas Board of Nurse Examiners? Do you want there to

be NO agency that has responsibility ONLY TO EMS? That's where we're headed

at warp speed, folks. We're already 90% there, and it's going to be a hard

landing.

We must get an EMS Commission through the next legislature, and that means we

needed to start YESTERDAY.

Gene G.

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Mr. Reynolds,

I did not take your post as a personal attack, it was clear to me that it

wasn't. I would like to address a couple of things you have said, though. I

wished I could comment on all that you have said, but don't have the time this

a.m. to address all of it.

You are obviously a very passionate man about EMS and firefighting. For this

I'm glad. Most people in the EMS Community share your passion, and those who

don't usually will not stay in this field for very long.

I will gladly support an association that has a strong presence. By strong

presence, I'm referring to the leadership, or board, not just the number of

people. What do the leaders of this association have planned to push EMS

forward? What are they thinking? What, specifically, are they trying to

accomplish?

I generally like to have a clear understanding of exactly what I'm

supporting before jumping in.

You wrote: " For that $35.00, I am represented by one of the

few, if not the only EMS lobbyist at the State

Capitol, and each member will now receive a

$10,000 insurance policy; forgive me, but I don't

remember the particular flavor of insurance right

off hand. "

I'm older now and tend to have memory loss, but the above is the only thing

I've seen that specifically states what EMSAT has done thus far. However, I

feel certain EMSAT has probably accomplished many things (or has a clear agenda

to), I just haven't heard about them. This is the information I'm looking

for. What is on the EMS Lobbyist's task list?

It's not about the money. I would gladly pay way more than $35.00 to support

a strong organization (I'd pay it every month). For me, it's about the time.

And, because of time, I rely on the leaders of the association to have

specific agendas and make them happen. If you and Gene and others are making

things happen, that's what I'm looking to support, but, again, I would like to

know

what those things are. I believe this is a fair request.

You wrote " Please join EMSAT. It's the only voice for Texas

EMS. "

I will gladly join EMSAT if you could give me just a couple of things

specifically that helps me understand what the only voice for Texas is saying.

I

will not only support EMSAT, but will promote it every chance I get! Let me

make

this clear, I am not asking what can EMSAT do for me, what I'm asking is what

can EMSAT do for EMS?

Thanks for your time Mr. Reynolds, and I look forward to your answers.

More than likely, a future EMSAT member

In a message dated 1/20/2004 12:16:20 AM Central Standard Time,

preyn2@... writes:

Ms. , please don't take this as a

personal attack on you, because I honestly do not

intend this letter as such. I have read this

question so many times it sickens me, and your

letter was the proverbial straw that broke my

back.

Your question is " What are y'all (meaning EMSAT)

doing to move Texas EMS forward? "

To that, I must answer that WE can't do anything

without YOUR support. The Emergency Medical

Services Association of Texas (EMSAT) is the only

statewide organization working to improve the lot

of the EMS provider in the state of Texas,

regardless of whether that provider is volunteer

or paid; regardless of whether that provider is

an ECA, EMT, EMT-I, EMT-P, or LP; regardless of

whether that provider works in the largest metro

area or the smallest town. Everybody who

provides EMS in Texas needs to be a member of

EMSAT. All of us must take active roles in

determining what happens to EMS in Texas.

Many people express concern over spending $35.00

every year to join and maintain a membership in

EMSAT. Let me explain how I think of that

$35.00:

**In a good week, I spend that much money eating

fast food at work.

**It's less than my monthly cell phone bill.

**It's about what it costs me to fuel my truck

for a week.

**It's less than one night out with my wife and

kids.

**It's a little more than one case of Girl Scout

Cookies.

**It's a carton of cigarettes.

For that $35.00, I am represented by one of the

few, if not the only EMS lobbyist at the State

Capitol, and each member will now receive a

$10,000 insurance policy; forgive me, but I don't

remember the particular flavor of insurance right

off hand.

It probably doesn't sound like much bang for the

buck, but right now, it's the ONLY bang, and the

bang only gets louder with each member. There

are something like 50,000 EMS providers in Texas,

and if we could get even a fraction of those

people to join, that would definitely be a good

sized bang.

I think the biggest problem with Texas EMS is

that, because EMS is largely a local issue, few

EMS providers ever stop to look at the big

picture, and that big picture is about to bite us

where the sun don't shine. We're too busy

looking at the bugs on our own windshields to see

the cliff in front of us.

Do you know what I love about people like Medics,

Firefighters, and Cops? People we meet off duty

ask us what we " do " for a living, and we tell

them what we " are " . Do you understand the

difference? God knows none of us is a Medic

because of the excellent pay; we do it because we

love helping others. I could no more be an

accountant than jump over the moon.

In my DNA, there are markers that determine that

I am a caucasian male, 5'11 " , brown hair, hazel

eyes, and nearsighted. Some time in the future,

I honestly believe that somebody will find a

genetic marker that signifies that I was born to

be a Medic.

You won't find anybody who is more passionate

about what they are than a Medic or a

Firefighter. God help us, we wear shirts

proclaiming for all the world to see that this is

what we are. You don't see people wearing shirts

that proudly scream " Accountant " or " Garbage

Hauler " or " Car Salesman " , but I'll bet you see

lots of people wearing shirts that say

" Firefighter " or " Paramedic " or " EMT " .

We're fighters. Day in and day out, we see

people who we KNOW are dying and there's nothing

we can do about it, and yet we fight to save

their lives. You've done it and I've done it,

even though we knew it was futile.

Because of what we do, when we do it, and the

conditions under which we must do it, we are held

in the highest esteem in society. People trust

us more than they trust teachers, and we trust

our beloved children to teachers every day.

Accountants don't help the guy in front of them

in the checkout line balance their checkbook.

Garbage men don't stop to pick up garbage when

they're off work. Why? Because they all have a

" job. " We have a " calling. " We DO stop to help

people at collisions when we're off. We DO run

into our neighbor's houses to make sure they're

all out safely if there's a fire. It's not what

we do, it's what we are.

It's a sad statement, but it's true: The people

who write the laws the affect EMS in Texas (or

anywhere, for that matter) will probably never

need our services. They are, for the most part,

educated, affluent, insured, and healthy. They

have access to personal physicians. The only

time they'll ever see a trauma surgeon is on the

golf course. For them, EMS legislation is merely

a political exercise.

Legislators don't know that EMS is the primary

healthcare provider for a huge segment of the

population. Legislators don't know how many

people are laying on an EMS stretcher when they

meet the ER doc. Legislators don't know how

difficult it is for some of our most selfless

dedicated public servants, the rural volunteers,

to obtain and maintain the education and training

necessary to provide basic services.

We're in a fight right now. I believe, as do

many others, that Texas EMS is on the brink of

falling into a legislative abyss that will take

years to get out of if WE, you and I, don't pull

it back from the edge.

Well, for me, what I ***am*** means I have to be

more involved in EMS than going to work every

third day and collecting a pay check every couple

of weeks. It means I have to let the people who

write the laws know what the effect of those laws

will be.

I'm Phil Reynolds. I'm a Firefighter with the

City of Austin Fire Department, and I'm a Captain

with the Jollyville Fire Department just outside

Austin. I've been a Paramedic for something like

10 years, and was an EMT before that. I've been

a volunteer firefighter in suburban and rural

areas, and I've worked transport EMS in urban,

suburban, and rural areas.

I was elected to the Board of Directors of the

Emergency Medical Services Association of Texas

in November. I can't promise that I'll be the

best EMSAT Board Member, or the wisest, and I'm

definitely not the most experienced at anything.

Maybe the current Board isn't made up of people

who are the best people for the jobs. But at

least we're willing to stand up and be heard when

it's important.

Please join EMSAT. It's the only voice for Texas

EMS.

Thank you for reading this, and I sincerely hope

you'll join us.

Stay safe -

Phil Reynolds, EMT-P

EMSAT BoD

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Excellent reply Phil. I'll be taking a packet of application to our RAC

meeting this week.

Barry Meffert

TSA-D

In a message dated 1/20/2004 12:16:24 AM Central Standard Time,

preyn2@... writes:

Ms. , please don't take this as a

personal attack on you, because I honestly do not

intend this letter as such. I have read this

question so many times it sickens me, and your

letter was the proverbial straw that broke my

back.

Your question is " What are y'all (meaning EMSAT)

doing to move Texas EMS forward? "

To that, I must answer that WE can't do anything

without YOUR support. The Emergency Medical

Services Association of Texas (EMSAT) is the only

statewide organization working to improve the lot

of the EMS provider in the state of Texas,

regardless of whether that provider is volunteer

or paid; regardless of whether that provider is

an ECA, EMT, EMT-I, EMT-P, or LP; regardless of

whether that provider works in the largest metro

area or the smallest town. Everybody who

provides EMS in Texas needs to be a member of

EMSAT. All of us must take active roles in

determining what happens to EMS in Texas.

Many people express concern over spending $35.00

every year to join and maintain a membership in

EMSAT. Let me explain how I think of that

$35.00:

**In a good week, I spend that much money eating

fast food at work.

**It's less than my monthly cell phone bill.

**It's about what it costs me to fuel my truck

for a week.

**It's less than one night out with my wife and

kids.

**It's a little more than one case of Girl Scout

Cookies.

**It's a carton of cigarettes.

For that $35.00, I am represented by one of the

few, if not the only EMS lobbyist at the State

Capitol, and each member will now receive a

$10,000 insurance policy; forgive me, but I don't

remember the particular flavor of insurance right

off hand.

It probably doesn't sound like much bang for the

buck, but right now, it's the ONLY bang, and the

bang only gets louder with each member. There

are something like 50,000 EMS providers in Texas,

and if we could get even a fraction of those

people to join, that would definitely be a good

sized bang.

I think the biggest problem with Texas EMS is

that, because EMS is largely a local issue, few

EMS providers ever stop to look at the big

picture, and that big picture is about to bite us

where the sun don't shine. We're too busy

looking at the bugs on our own windshields to see

the cliff in front of us.

Do you know what I love about people like Medics,

Firefighters, and Cops? People we meet off duty

ask us what we " do " for a living, and we tell

them what we " are " . Do you understand the

difference? God knows none of us is a Medic

because of the excellent pay; we do it because we

love helping others. I could no more be an

accountant than jump over the moon.

In my DNA, there are markers that determine that

I am a caucasian male, 5'11 " , brown hair, hazel

eyes, and nearsighted. Some time in the future,

I honestly believe that somebody will find a

genetic marker that signifies that I was born to

be a Medic.

You won't find anybody who is more passionate

about what they are than a Medic or a

Firefighter. God help us, we wear shirts

proclaiming for all the world to see that this is

what we are. You don't see people wearing shirts

that proudly scream " Accountant " or " Garbage

Hauler " or " Car Salesman " , but I'll bet you see

lots of people wearing shirts that say

" Firefighter " or " Paramedic " or " EMT " .

We're fighters. Day in and day out, we see

people who we KNOW are dying and there's nothing

we can do about it, and yet we fight to save

their lives. You've done it and I've done it,

even though we knew it was futile.

Because of what we do, when we do it, and the

conditions under which we must do it, we are held

in the highest esteem in society. People trust

us more than they trust teachers, and we trust

our beloved children to teachers every day.

Accountants don't help the guy in front of them

in the checkout line balance their checkbook.

Garbage men don't stop to pick up garbage when

they're off work. Why? Because they all have a

" job. " We have a " calling. " We DO stop to help

people at collisions when we're off. We DO run

into our neighbor's houses to make sure they're

all out safely if there's a fire. It's not what

we do, it's what we are.

It's a sad statement, but it's true: The people

who write the laws the affect EMS in Texas (or

anywhere, for that matter) will probably never

need our services. They are, for the most part,

educated, affluent, insured, and healthy. They

have access to personal physicians. The only

time they'll ever see a trauma surgeon is on the

golf course. For them, EMS legislation is merely

a political exercise.

Legislators don't know that EMS is the primary

healthcare provider for a huge segment of the

population. Legislators don't know how many

people are laying on an EMS stretcher when they

meet the ER doc. Legislators don't know how

difficult it is for some of our most selfless

dedicated public servants, the rural volunteers,

to obtain and maintain the education and training

necessary to provide basic services.

We're in a fight right now. I believe, as do

many others, that Texas EMS is on the brink of

falling into a legislative abyss that will take

years to get out of if WE, you and I, don't pull

it back from the edge.

Well, for me, what I ***am*** means I have to be

more involved in EMS than going to work every

third day and collecting a pay check every couple

of weeks. It means I have to let the people who

write the laws know what the effect of those laws

will be.

I'm Phil Reynolds. I'm a Firefighter with the

City of Austin Fire Department, and I'm a Captain

with the Jollyville Fire Department just outside

Austin. I've been a Paramedic for something like

10 years, and was an EMT before that. I've been

a volunteer firefighter in suburban and rural

areas, and I've worked transport EMS in urban,

suburban, and rural areas.

I was elected to the Board of Directors of the

Emergency Medical Services Association of Texas

in November. I can't promise that I'll be the

best EMSAT Board Member, or the wisest, and I'm

definitely not the most experienced at anything.

Maybe the current Board isn't made up of people

who are the best people for the jobs. But at

least we're willing to stand up and be heard when

it's important.

Please join EMSAT. It's the only voice for Texas

EMS.

Thank you for reading this, and I sincerely hope

you'll join us.

Stay safe -

Phil Reynolds, EMT-P

EMSAT BoD

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Ms. ,

Your question was asked of Mr. Reynolds, but I hope you don't mind too much

if I offer mi dos centavos worth of explanation.

You write:

> I will gladly support an association that has a strong

> presence.

EMSAT does not have a strong presence (yet) and the reasons for this have

many roots. One is the ever pervasive " What is in it for me? " attitude.

Medics seem to have trouble with the concept that change will come slowly,

but that membership in a professional organization is still the right thing

to do. Another reason was the philosophical gap perceived between many of

the EMSAT board members and most of the rest of Texas EMS. Following the

recent elections that argument no longer holds water.

EMSAT has warts, I agree, but good folks are working to make it right. They

are forced to do the work with little resources. EMSAT is caught in the

Catch-22 of low credibility due to low membership, low membership due to

little clout, and little clout due to low credibility.

Medics everywhere should understand that it is better for us individually

and much better for the profession as a whole to maintain membership in

professional organizations and to participate in the political process as

much as possible. We have to get beyond asking " what is in it for me? " , and

we have to get beyond the concept of immediate gratification.

Texas EMS is in crisis. We face a bigger challenge today than we have ever

faced. What we do (or fail to do) today affects our profession in this state

for years to come. Organization, participation, compromise and consensus are

needed if we want to improve our lot. Warts and all, we simply must embrace

EMSAT as our professional association, or else reconcile ourselves to the

knowledge that EMS will forever be the bench warmers - the side show.

> What do the leaders of this association have planned to

> push EMS forward? What are they thinking?

This list has seen that question asked in various ways a hundred times and

I'll bet those involved in EMSAT get weary of having to repeat themselves.

The answers have been posted to this forum many times. A quick search of the

Yahoo archives will tell you what each of these folks thinks and feels. I

think you will find that the majority of what is posted to be positive and

forward-thinking.

The EMSAT Board of Directors listing is below. You will notice my name is

not there - not yet at least.

- President

Tx1@...

Gene Gandy- Vice-President

wegandy1938@...

Donna Gomez-Treasurer

dgems2emtp@...

Scarborough

sremtp20@...

williamn@...

Jane Hill

je.hill@...

Randell Pitts

agfltmedic@...

Al

wffireems@...

Phil Reynolds

preyn2@...

Regards,

Donn

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P

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- Friedrich Nietzsche, " Untimely Meditations "

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Don great post.

What is happening to EMS has caught us blindside, but it shouldn't have. We

should have started paying attention when BEM could no longer support the State

Testing process. We should have guessed that there was a problem when we

started seeing a continues rule changing process, we should have guessed when

BEM started the rate hike process, but we missed it, (all EMS, not just EMSAT).

I know hindsight is 20/20, but we cannot be put off by what is in the past. At

this time the future is much more important than the past. If we are to have a

chance to grow in the future, and do not want to be governed by an unrelated

agency we must come together now, and move fast.

Mine is not the best Mind in EMS, there are much better minds out there. Those

minds need to be working full time to find a solution to our common problem. It

is not just EMSAT that must act. We all must act at the local, regional and

State level.

In addition to working with our political leaders, we must also let the public

know what is happening. We in common need to issue press releases with a common

them. We must let the voters know of our concerns, and what the the outcome

might be.

We do not want to return to that old days method of EMS where each agency did

EMS as he, she, or they chose. For the public safety, and the health care

concerns of the general public we must shoulder the yoke and move this beast

forward.

If you have friends in the legislature, or judges or county/city commissioners,

or well connected physicians bring them up to date on the situation and ask for

their support.

Sorry for the soap box, but I feel very strongly about this issue, and moved to

try and make a difference.

Nacogdoches

County EMS

EMSAT Board Member

" D.E. (Donn) " wrote:

> Ms. ,

>

> Your question was asked of Mr. Reynolds, but I hope you don't mind too much

> if I offer mi dos centavos worth of explanation.

>

> You write:

> > I will gladly support an association that has a strong

> > presence.

>

> EMSAT does not have a strong presence (yet) and the reasons for this have

> many roots. One is the ever pervasive " What is in it for me? " attitude.

> Medics seem to have trouble with the concept that change will come slowly,

> but that membership in a professional organization is still the right thing

> to do. Another reason was the philosophical gap perceived between many of

> the EMSAT board members and most of the rest of Texas EMS. Following the

> recent elections that argument no longer holds water.

>

> EMSAT has warts, I agree, but good folks are working to make it right. They

> are forced to do the work with little resources. EMSAT is caught in the

> Catch-22 of low credibility due to low membership, low membership due to

> little clout, and little clout due to low credibility.

>

> Medics everywhere should understand that it is better for us individually

> and much better for the profession as a whole to maintain membership in

> professional organizations and to participate in the political process as

> much as possible. We have to get beyond asking " what is in it for me? " , and

> we have to get beyond the concept of immediate gratification.

>

> Texas EMS is in crisis. We face a bigger challenge today than we have ever

> faced. What we do (or fail to do) today affects our profession in this state

> for years to come. Organization, participation, compromise and consensus are

> needed if we want to improve our lot. Warts and all, we simply must embrace

> EMSAT as our professional association, or else reconcile ourselves to the

> knowledge that EMS will forever be the bench warmers - the side show.

>

> > What do the leaders of this association have planned to

> > push EMS forward? What are they thinking?

>

> This list has seen that question asked in various ways a hundred times and

> I'll bet those involved in EMSAT get weary of having to repeat themselves.

> The answers have been posted to this forum many times. A quick search of the

> Yahoo archives will tell you what each of these folks thinks and feels. I

> think you will find that the majority of what is posted to be positive and

> forward-thinking.

>

> The EMSAT Board of Directors listing is below. You will notice my name is

> not there - not yet at least.

>

> - President

> Tx1@...

>

> Gene Gandy- Vice-President

> wegandy1938@...

>

> Donna Gomez-Treasurer

> dgems2emtp@...

>

> Scarborough

> sremtp20@...

>

>

> williamn@...

>

> Jane Hill

> je.hill@...

>

> Randell Pitts

> agfltmedic@...

>

> Al

> wffireems@...

>

> Phil Reynolds

> preyn2@...

>

> Regards,

> Donn

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P

>

> ...your educators can be only your liberators...

> - Friedrich Nietzsche, " Untimely Meditations "

>

>

>

>

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Don great post.

What is happening to EMS has caught us blindside, but it shouldn't have. We

should have started paying attention when BEM could no longer support the State

Testing process. We should have guessed that there was a problem when we

started seeing a continues rule changing process, we should have guessed when

BEM started the rate hike process, but we missed it, (all EMS, not just EMSAT).

I know hindsight is 20/20, but we cannot be put off by what is in the past. At

this time the future is much more important than the past. If we are to have a

chance to grow in the future, and do not want to be governed by an unrelated

agency we must come together now, and move fast.

Mine is not the best Mind in EMS, there are much better minds out there. Those

minds need to be working full time to find a solution to our common problem. It

is not just EMSAT that must act. We all must act at the local, regional and

State level.

In addition to working with our political leaders, we must also let the public

know what is happening. We in common need to issue press releases with a common

them. We must let the voters know of our concerns, and what the the outcome

might be.

We do not want to return to that old days method of EMS where each agency did

EMS as he, she, or they chose. For the public safety, and the health care

concerns of the general public we must shoulder the yoke and move this beast

forward.

If you have friends in the legislature, or judges or county/city commissioners,

or well connected physicians bring them up to date on the situation and ask for

their support.

Sorry for the soap box, but I feel very strongly about this issue, and moved to

try and make a difference.

Nacogdoches

County EMS

EMSAT Board Member

" D.E. (Donn) " wrote:

> Ms. ,

>

> Your question was asked of Mr. Reynolds, but I hope you don't mind too much

> if I offer mi dos centavos worth of explanation.

>

> You write:

> > I will gladly support an association that has a strong

> > presence.

>

> EMSAT does not have a strong presence (yet) and the reasons for this have

> many roots. One is the ever pervasive " What is in it for me? " attitude.

> Medics seem to have trouble with the concept that change will come slowly,

> but that membership in a professional organization is still the right thing

> to do. Another reason was the philosophical gap perceived between many of

> the EMSAT board members and most of the rest of Texas EMS. Following the

> recent elections that argument no longer holds water.

>

> EMSAT has warts, I agree, but good folks are working to make it right. They

> are forced to do the work with little resources. EMSAT is caught in the

> Catch-22 of low credibility due to low membership, low membership due to

> little clout, and little clout due to low credibility.

>

> Medics everywhere should understand that it is better for us individually

> and much better for the profession as a whole to maintain membership in

> professional organizations and to participate in the political process as

> much as possible. We have to get beyond asking " what is in it for me? " , and

> we have to get beyond the concept of immediate gratification.

>

> Texas EMS is in crisis. We face a bigger challenge today than we have ever

> faced. What we do (or fail to do) today affects our profession in this state

> for years to come. Organization, participation, compromise and consensus are

> needed if we want to improve our lot. Warts and all, we simply must embrace

> EMSAT as our professional association, or else reconcile ourselves to the

> knowledge that EMS will forever be the bench warmers - the side show.

>

> > What do the leaders of this association have planned to

> > push EMS forward? What are they thinking?

>

> This list has seen that question asked in various ways a hundred times and

> I'll bet those involved in EMSAT get weary of having to repeat themselves.

> The answers have been posted to this forum many times. A quick search of the

> Yahoo archives will tell you what each of these folks thinks and feels. I

> think you will find that the majority of what is posted to be positive and

> forward-thinking.

>

> The EMSAT Board of Directors listing is below. You will notice my name is

> not there - not yet at least.

>

> - President

> Tx1@...

>

> Gene Gandy- Vice-President

> wegandy1938@...

>

> Donna Gomez-Treasurer

> dgems2emtp@...

>

> Scarborough

> sremtp20@...

>

>

> williamn@...

>

> Jane Hill

> je.hill@...

>

> Randell Pitts

> agfltmedic@...

>

> Al

> wffireems@...

>

> Phil Reynolds

> preyn2@...

>

> Regards,

> Donn

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P

>

> ...your educators can be only your liberators...

> - Friedrich Nietzsche, " Untimely Meditations "

>

>

>

>

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" The only voice of EMS " as it has been put right now is, as we all are,

facing a huge crisis in EMS in Texas. What will we do??? We don't know

yet. That is probably going to be the biggest agenda item on the meeting on

February 11th. We want to hear the thought processes of each Board member

AND of each person that attends the meeting so we can hopefully DESIGN a game

plan to respond. It is impossible at this juncture to tell you what we as a

Board plan to do because we have not heard all the information yet and have

not heard all the voices of the members yet. EMS in Texas has really never

faced a crisis of this magnitude since its inception, so we all need to get

together face-to-face if possible and discuss this issue before any rash

judgements or decisions are made. I also hope that the EMSAT lobbyist is

present so that we can get his input.

The purpose of EMSAT is to help EMS in Texas have the opportunity to have a

voice and to attempt to push through needed changes as a group. Some changes

have gone through and have been mentioned in various posts over the last

week. Others have not. Some changes were good, some weren't as good. But

the " purpose " has remained the same. Each and every one of the current Board

members wants to help the EMS community push forward in this and other

issues. But it is no good if you are not there to help make those decisions

and to help decide what is the best plan to push forward. That is the reason

I finally joined and that is the reason that I now sit on the Board.

I do think that we are not going to be able to derail what is happening

because it is legislatively mandated. However, I DO think we could use this

to our advantage in the not so distant future to help GET things like we want

and need. But, if you don't want to join until you see what is going to

transpire at the meeting, then I encourage you to show up and bring your

money. Observe and listen. Then, if you think that it is " worth it " , pay

your money and become a member and HELP us to work on this and other issues.

Folks, EMSAT is NOT going to be the answer to all our problems, and I don't

think that anyone is saying that. But right now, it is the ONLY vehicle we

have that is structured for this purpose and ready to go once given the

support and direction that it needs - from YOU.

Jane Hill

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Throughout the years, there were copmplaints of how the TDH bureaucracy worked.

But at least everything was together under one program specialist or director,

reporting to the same most reverened grandest poobaa. Looking at plan, it seems

will be worse than dealing with the IRS or trying to fix your dial-up internet

by talking to three different software companies.

WE MUST STAND TOGETHER ¯-NOW JOIN EMSAT!!!!!

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Throughout the years, there were copmplaints of how the TDH bureaucracy worked.

But at least everything was together under one program specialist or director,

reporting to the same most reverened grandest poobaa. Looking at plan, it seems

will be worse than dealing with the IRS or trying to fix your dial-up internet

by talking to three different software companies.

WE MUST STAND TOGETHER ¯-NOW JOIN EMSAT!!!!!

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,

Go to this site and print out the application and send it with your check.

Simple as that.

http://www.emsatoftx.org/

Pay no attention to the " under construction " sign and click on " Join Emsat "

in the list on the left hand side of the page.

EMSAT can only succeed in promoting EMS if it has EMS members. The reason we

have been limited in our efforts is lack of members. Legislators laugh at

you when you tell them you represent a couple of hundred out of 50,000+ members.

Other than that, EMSAT has done much for EMS over the years, among the

things we have done being keeping bad legislation from being passed year after

year, getting some of our initiatives passed, including the license plate bill

last session. (Yes, I know some say that's trivial, but we did a survey and it

was the hottest issue among the troops, so that's what they wanted--that's what

we did.)

We employ a lobbyist, Frazier, who also has clients like Texas Utilities

and so forth, and he has done a great job of keeping us apprised of

legislation that concerns us. Dozens and dozens of bills that are filed each

session

affect us in some way, many in ways we would never know until they were passed

unless we had .

One of the bills we killed was one that would have allowed a police officer

to order us to draw blood from a person or patient at an EMS scene. Order.

Not request. We did not want to be in that situation. You can imagine trying

to take care of a patient and get them out of there and to the trauma center

and a Trooper coming up and ordering you to draw blood from a driver before you

left and threatening to arrest you if you didn't. We got that bill killed.

We do lots of other stuff that's mostly behind the scenes, like getting the

wording of bills that affect us changed to correct problems, and so forth.

As for " proving " that we can do something, again, we can only do that if we

have strength in numbers. If we had 10% of the certified/licensed EMS

personnel as members, we could really get a politician's attention. If we had

all

55,000, they'd be crawling on their hands and knees to us to see what we needed.

So before we can " walk the walk " we must have a membership base to back it up.

Hope you'll join and bring some others with you.

Best,

Gene

In a message dated 1/19/2004 9:43:03 PM Central Standard Time,

lisawhir@... writes:

Okay, Gene,

I'll bite. Tell me how to join EMSAT, and what, exactly y'all are doing to

move Texas EMS forward (or EMS as whole). I have been watching the debate

for

quite sometime now (if EMSAT is worth the effort or not).

Prove to me EMSAT has the initiative to move this beast forward.

I'm there, if y'all are serious about progressing. Talking is great, but

show me that " walk. "

No doubt, Texas, and EMS as whole needs a huge push. I would love to be one

of many voices that makes this happen.

Anxiously awaiting your response.

, LP, RN, FP-C

Clinical Manager

PHI Air Medial - Texas (SKYMED)

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,

Go to this site and print out the application and send it with your check.

Simple as that.

http://www.emsatoftx.org/

Pay no attention to the " under construction " sign and click on " Join Emsat "

in the list on the left hand side of the page.

EMSAT can only succeed in promoting EMS if it has EMS members. The reason we

have been limited in our efforts is lack of members. Legislators laugh at

you when you tell them you represent a couple of hundred out of 50,000+ members.

Other than that, EMSAT has done much for EMS over the years, among the

things we have done being keeping bad legislation from being passed year after

year, getting some of our initiatives passed, including the license plate bill

last session. (Yes, I know some say that's trivial, but we did a survey and it

was the hottest issue among the troops, so that's what they wanted--that's what

we did.)

We employ a lobbyist, Frazier, who also has clients like Texas Utilities

and so forth, and he has done a great job of keeping us apprised of

legislation that concerns us. Dozens and dozens of bills that are filed each

session

affect us in some way, many in ways we would never know until they were passed

unless we had .

One of the bills we killed was one that would have allowed a police officer

to order us to draw blood from a person or patient at an EMS scene. Order.

Not request. We did not want to be in that situation. You can imagine trying

to take care of a patient and get them out of there and to the trauma center

and a Trooper coming up and ordering you to draw blood from a driver before you

left and threatening to arrest you if you didn't. We got that bill killed.

We do lots of other stuff that's mostly behind the scenes, like getting the

wording of bills that affect us changed to correct problems, and so forth.

As for " proving " that we can do something, again, we can only do that if we

have strength in numbers. If we had 10% of the certified/licensed EMS

personnel as members, we could really get a politician's attention. If we had

all

55,000, they'd be crawling on their hands and knees to us to see what we needed.

So before we can " walk the walk " we must have a membership base to back it up.

Hope you'll join and bring some others with you.

Best,

Gene

In a message dated 1/19/2004 9:43:03 PM Central Standard Time,

lisawhir@... writes:

Okay, Gene,

I'll bite. Tell me how to join EMSAT, and what, exactly y'all are doing to

move Texas EMS forward (or EMS as whole). I have been watching the debate

for

quite sometime now (if EMSAT is worth the effort or not).

Prove to me EMSAT has the initiative to move this beast forward.

I'm there, if y'all are serious about progressing. Talking is great, but

show me that " walk. "

No doubt, Texas, and EMS as whole needs a huge push. I would love to be one

of many voices that makes this happen.

Anxiously awaiting your response.

, LP, RN, FP-C

Clinical Manager

PHI Air Medial - Texas (SKYMED)

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Read my reply to Philips' post as to what EMSAT has done. Much of our

work has been behind the scenes with legislation. We have tried to stay on top

of bills that affect us and help along the ones that are good and stop the

ones that are bad. Much of that sort of work in intangible in terms of pointing

to something that has our name or imprint on it, but suffice it to say that

the laws, rules, and regulations that have governed us have been influenced for

the better through EMSAT's vigilance and efforts. Many times our President

has been the only person from the EMS community to show up and testify for or

against a bill that affects us. Nobody knew about those things.

We intend to become a louder voice with the politicos with every member that

we gain. Politicians care about one thing and one thing only: votes. If you

represent an organization with thousands of members, suddenly everybody wants

to listen to you. Without members, they couldn't care less and most won't

give you the time of day.

We are luck to have a very few state legislators who know something about EMS

and our issues, but not many, and we have lost several good ones who didn't

get reelected.

As we grow in membership and strength, we'll be able to set an agenda that

all will be proud of. But we can't do it without members. It is not reasonable

to ask EMSAT to prove its worth and relevance when it is a fledgling

organization struggling to grow.

So many say, prove to me that EMSAT is relevant and I'll join. I say, join

and help to MAKE US RELEVANT.

Hope this, together with my other post, adequately addresses your concerns.

If not, please let me know and I'll go at it again.

Best,

Gene

In a message dated 1/19/2004 10:38:19 PM Central Standard Time,

jtmedic@... writes:

Gene,

I think it is important to tell everyone exactly what EMSAT has done and can

do for EMS. It was posted as a question earlier with no specific explanation,

so I will ask it again. What has EMSAT done since its existence? Many hear

you say that increasing membership will look good to the legislators, but

what the majority of the providers don't know is how EMSAT works. How each

members voice can be heard and what individuals are already in place that will

assist EMS as a whole to obtain our goals.

I am for a change and I do believe that we need a strong board to stand up

for EMS just like the Board of Nursing or any of the other Boards that are well

established. I do believe that a " campaign " type speech would help

individuals to know that this is what HAS to happen.

Just my Thoughts,

, LP

Flight Paramedic

Memorial Hermann Life Flight

Houston, Texas

Re: EMSAT

Friends!

Who cares about our cheesy website right now? Nobody in their right mind.

The finest website in Internetdom won't help us unless we have MEMBERS.

Our

website is good enough right now to get you the application you need to

join.

DO IT. We can finish fixing the website later.

What's past is past about our board. THAT WAS THEN. THIS IS NOW.

Are we going to bitch and moan like we always have about this faction or

that, or are we for once going to bond together and get something done for

our

profession?

Now is the time to put your money where your mouth is. It only costs you

$35

to become a paid member for a year and add your weight to our membership.

Folks, if we could tell our legislators that we have 5,000 members, we

could

do anything we wanted. If we had 10,000 members, they would be groveling

at

our feet to see what we wanted.

Where do you stand? Will you step forward and make your weight count?

Do you want EMS to be under the Texas Department of Public Safety? Do you

want EMS to be under the Texas Board of Nurse Examiners? Do you want there

to

be NO agency that has responsibility ONLY TO EMS? That's where we're

headed

at warp speed, folks. We're already 90% there, and it's going to be a hard

landing.

We must get an EMS Commission through the next legislature, and that means

we

needed to start YESTERDAY.

Gene G.

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wegandy1938@... writes:

,

Go to this site and print out the application and send it with your check.

Simple as that.

Gene,

Thanks for the info. Through my private emails today with Phil, I will do

just that. You have my full support for EMSAT. Phil answered privately, with

honesty, my questions regarding EMSAT.

As I stated to him, all I'm asking for is a strong leadership with this

group. As one of my favorite persons always says " get 'er done. " Thanks,

Randy.

I needed some education on EMSAT and where it's going. Phil provided that

for me. I am complete support of EMSAT and will do whatever I can to promote

the positive future of EMS. I'm all about the " do " and not just the talk.

Don't work so hard, Gene.

Take care,

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In a message dated 1/20/2004 11:33:26 PM Central Standard Time,

wegandy1938@... writes:

,

Go to this site and print out the application and send it with your check.

Simple as that.

Gene,

Thanks for the info. Through my private emails today with Phil, I will do

just that. You have my full support for EMSAT. Phil answered privately, with

honesty, my questions regarding EMSAT.

As I stated to him, all I'm asking for is a strong leadership with this

group. As one of my favorite persons always says " get 'er done. " Thanks,

Randy.

I needed some education on EMSAT and where it's going. Phil provided that

for me. I am complete support of EMSAT and will do whatever I can to promote

the positive future of EMS. I'm all about the " do " and not just the talk.

Don't work so hard, Gene.

Take care,

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THANK YOU Jane. that is what I wanted to know money coming soon and

if you are unlucky and I can weasel out of a shift I'll be at the

meeting.

The only voice of EMS " as it has been put right now is, as we all

are,

facing a huge crisis in EMS in Texas. What will we do??? We don't

know

yet. That is probably going to be the biggest agenda item on the

meeting on

February 11th. We want to hear the thought processes of each Board

member

AND of each person that attends the meeting so we can hopefully

DESIGN a game

plan to respond. It is impossible at this juncture to tell you what

we as a

Board plan to do because we have not heard all the information yet

and have

not heard all the voices of the members yet. EMS in Texas has really

never

faced a crisis of this magnitude since its inception, so we all need

to get

together face-to-face if possible and discuss this issue before any

rash

judgements or decisions are made. I also hope that the EMSAT

lobbyist is

present so that we can get his input.

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THANK YOU Jane. that is what I wanted to know money coming soon and

if you are unlucky and I can weasel out of a shift I'll be at the

meeting.

The only voice of EMS " as it has been put right now is, as we all

are,

facing a huge crisis in EMS in Texas. What will we do??? We don't

know

yet. That is probably going to be the biggest agenda item on the

meeting on

February 11th. We want to hear the thought processes of each Board

member

AND of each person that attends the meeting so we can hopefully

DESIGN a game

plan to respond. It is impossible at this juncture to tell you what

we as a

Board plan to do because we have not heard all the information yet

and have

not heard all the voices of the members yet. EMS in Texas has really

never

faced a crisis of this magnitude since its inception, so we all need

to get

together face-to-face if possible and discuss this issue before any

rash

judgements or decisions are made. I also hope that the EMSAT

lobbyist is

present so that we can get his input.

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I'm inclined to agree with Mike here. I joined EMSAT one year and all I

received was a welcome letter and pin and, months later, a ballot asking me to

vote

for board members. Aside from recognizing a few names from this e-mail list,

I didn't know who any of them were and didn't vote. I will admit that I am

ignorant in the matters of running an organization like this and that I don't

know how to go about fixing or improving it. But I don't mind saying that I

expected more when I sent in my check. Perhaps part of the problem is that I

never

wrote EMSTAT and expressed my concerns in this instance.

My two cents,

PS I like Mike's idea of local chapters. That is something I could get

involved in.

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mreed_911@... writes:

You're not having any effect. You're not fixing anything. And you're

certainly not communicating to anyone about it in any sort of effective

manner. You're making things WORSE. Please STOP.

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,

Things are rapidly changing. We have a new website in the works. It's going

to have lots more stuff on it. You'll be able to go there and find out

what's going on. Take a preview look at www.emsatoftx.org.

It's still being worked on, but it's taking shape rapidly.

Mailing costs prohibit sending out newsletters, but we'll eventually have a

newsletter online so you can see what's happening. You'll also be able to see

who the Board Members are.

These major changes began on February 24, and they are moving along rapidly.

So stay tuned. Things will improve.

GG

In a message dated 3/18/2004 2:46:05 PM Central Standard Time,

troutinthebath@... writes:

I'm inclined to agree with Mike here. I joined EMSAT one year and all I

received was a welcome letter and pin and, months later, a ballot asking me

to vote

for board members. Aside from recognizing a few names from this e-mail list,

I didn't know who any of them were and didn't vote. I will admit that I am

ignorant in the matters of running an organization like this and that I don't

know how to go about fixing or improving it. But I don't mind saying that I

expected more when I sent in my check. Perhaps part of the problem is that I

never

wrote EMSTAT and expressed my concerns in this instance.

My two cents,

PS I like Mike's idea of local chapters. That is something I could get

involved in.

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mreed_911@... writes:

You're not having any effect. You're not fixing anything. And you're

certainly not communicating to anyone about it in any sort of effective

manner. You're making things WORSE. Please STOP.

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