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In a message dated 8/8/2005 10:55:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

honiholo@... writes:

I have to go back to the cardiologist in two weeks so he can check the

effects of the drugs. How do I handle that? Pat

If it was me, I'd take the meds and get the test. When I went back I'd ask

what is causing the problem. Make him explain it to you so you understand.

Get the technical terms for what's going on so you can study your condition.

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honiholo wrote:

> I have to go back to the cardiologist in two weeks so he can check the

> effects of the drugs. How do I handle that?

Your way :-))

My way would be to use fish oil and hawthorn berry and I would skip the

Rx's (which actually block some of the fish oil benefits) and I would

also not eat plant oils other than EV olive - as they are inflammatory

(and are why you get Rx's). Then I'd go for my check-up later without

mentioning what I did to get so improved. Unless asked :-)

I would also be using a blood pressure cuff at home - I'd ask for a Rx

for one if I did not have one - so as to be in charge of knowing for

myself what works for me.

> Over all I can't complain since I'm home! Two hours was with the

> cardiologist who was not only willing to talk but also to listen.

Listening is a real plus!!!!!!!!

> left with instructions to take daily an aspirin and one 10 mg tab of

> Lisinopril (Prinivil, Zestril) which is an ace inhibitor,

Can't pay me to take them but this is your decision.

> and an appointment

> for a perfusion scan which uses radiation. (Should I do this?)

My BP was over 200 systolic when I did this.

I don't know how he justifies it at your BP.

Costs a lot so he earns $s. Up to you.

I would not do it again if it were me.

We stopped

> at the pharmacy for the info sheets, but didn't fill the prescription.

> Doctor did make a big appeal FOR taking it, and said that while all the

> alternative things I mentioned were good for prevention, they will NOT

> reverse the damage.

That is not a valid or fair statement.

Nothing HE gave you can reverse damage!!!

I had the same negative attitude from my surgeon on Friday when I

explained I'd used homeopathy and diet to reverse my heart problems, and

that is why on the form I had inserted the word " had " before checking

" cardiomyopathy " , Asthma, and a few other things they assume are

permanent - because THEY can't fix them.

She just said it can't happen. But she did get my cardio records

faxed, and she hooked me up to a heart monitor and there was silence

after that :-))

> We'll see. I haven't decided if I will take his pills

> while I wait for compliance to heal my heart. I notice the info sheet

says

> NOT to take potassium with the drug as it will cause " muscle weakness or

> very slow heart beats. "

Not to take potassium with which drug? Depends on the ace inhibitor.

some of them cause raised potassium levels as a side effect and doctors

ALL are scared stiff of potassium.

Ace inhibitors work by messing with the blood vessel contraction system

so that the vessels are dilated - so they carry more blood per volume

thus lowering the pressure.

It's exactly what fish oil does without the side effects.

Potassium will also tend to lower your blood pressure and the raised

potassium from some ace inhibitors may be part of how it " works " .

My choice would be to use safe nutrients to do the job - the potassium

and fish oil - and skip the drugs with their side effects and unknown

long-term effects on blood vessels and enzyme systems.

The most common side effects of ace inhibitors are cough, elevated blood

potassium levels, low blood pressure, dizziness, headache, drowsiness,

weakness, abnormal taste (metallic or salty taste), and rash. It may

take up to a month for coughing to subside, and if one ACE inhibitor

causes cough it is likely that the others will too. The most serious,

but rare, side effects of ACE inhibitors are kidney failure, allergic

reactions, a decrease in white blood cells, and swelling of tissues.

There have been reports that aspirin and other non-steroidal

anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDS) such as ibuprofen, indomethacin, and

naproxen may reduce the effects of ACE inhibitors; then I suppose if the

aspirin counters any effect of the ACE they will increase the dose and

consequently the toxicity????

All that risk and for what?

Just to avoid fish oil taste?

I never will understand how doctors can prescribe something with that

many side effects when there is a food that does the job safely and side

effect free :-))

Well I suppose I do understand - they do not study metabolism at the

necessary detail level or with respect to how nutrients are utilized.

All they know about is drugs :-))

The lowly fish ain't on their menu:-)

Lunch was at a birthday party for our 17-YO granddaughter at Olive

Garden.

> I carried in my 1/2 can of Salmon (Aldi's, marked wild Alaskan, $1.19)

There is no such thing as too much salmon - Read Dr Perricone's book

" the Perricone Prescription " - it's about eating anti-inflammatory food

and Salmon is king:-)) It was a big part of getting my heart healthy.

> Irene said get fish oil in to heal my heart!

Yes but aspirin will block its benefits to a large extent.

ALL omega-3 oils have associated eicosanoids and most of them are

inflammatory - except fish oil's two omega-3's which have

anti-inflammatory eicosanoids.

Aspirin blocks ALL eicosanoid activity - detrimental or beneficial.

So it will only help people who insist on eating inflammatory omega-3's

such as plant oils other than extra virgin olive - it will block the

inflammation of those omega-3's./. But it will also block the benefits

of the fish oil anti-inflammatory action.

So if you want real benefit - you need to skip all the plant oils except

extra virgin olive (so NO canola, safflower, soy, flax etc etc) and use

only EVO, fish oil, rice bran (same profile as EVO). Nuts are okay if

they are fresh - preferably in shells when you get them.

Then the fish oil eicosanoids will dilate your blood vessels for you

(not needing the ACE inhibitor for that) and will also be

anti-inflammatory (better than aspirin which only goes halfway by

switching off bad and good eicosanoids.)

> Then we got in our new as of last Friday 2000 minivan, drove two blocks,

> stopped quickly for an adult person who stepped right out into the

road. We

> got smacked from behind by a truck that adroitly avoided the bumper

and went

> for the rear door which no longer opens but neither did our old one,

which

> is why we traded it in the first place.

Oh geesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROTTEN - Are you okay, no whiplash etc????????

> Well, as I said, I'm home. Not in the hospital from either the doctor

or the

> trucker, so it was a GOOD day!

May all your future days be an upgrade!!!!!!!!!!

Namaste,

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

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My turn - I have a " forgot to say " :

I would use 1000 IU per day of Vit E.

It is a blood thinner with beneficial side effects like it repairs blood

vessel and cell walls to make them more flexible, in conjunction with 4

caps a day of fish oil in my case - which also increases cell wall

flexibility and integrity.

I've been doing that since 2001.

For women the cell wall flexibility is especially important as women's'

heart attacks involve spasm to close them rather than blockage to close

them as in men and you do not need the vessels to break due to lack of

flexibility when they spasm or to be unable to stretch flexibly as needed.

The heart attack I had in May was entirely caused by spasm as

opposed to blockage (but was triggered by stress and high cortisol, not

a problem you have) - I have no blockages. But it was mild thanks to

flexible blood vessel walls. Aspirin by comparison is inflammatory to

the cell wall surfaces (as you know - it burns holes in stomachs) and

Vit E does the blood thinning with beneficial effects to cell and blood

vessel walls instead of detrimental ones.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

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my mom had a pos ANA over 10 years ago and has never developed

anything, they told her she had lupus. Hmm. Nan

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THANK YOU NAN!!! This makes me feel so good. Lynn

Forgot to say

my mom had a pos ANA over 10 years ago and has never developedanything, they told her she had lupus. Hmm. Nan