Re: Re: Female Trooper Shoots Man On Traffic Stop (V IDEO )

[Guest guest]

Rev. : Steve didn't bring this topic to the list. It was initiated by

Joby Berkley (thanks for sharing this case with us, BTW).

Steve: While it may seem that on one hand discussing this " trooper " may be

gossiping. On the other hand, dicussing this " case study " has actually

brought about a number of positive comments regarding: verbal and non-verbal

communications with impaired individuals; the importance of being in control

of our own emotions while on duty; and the fact that at any time on any call

we are representing not only ourselves but our agency and profession. These

are not bad things to be discussed.

While it is unfortunate that the only example we have on this case study is

of what not to do, many times that can be used as an appropriate educational

tool. Just as professional discourse on a topic. If someone wants to

compare/contrast this video with another video that shows the same type of

call going perfectly so be it. It's just that video showing things going

right is usually taped over or discarded. Video showing things going south

or the aftermath of things going south (such as the railroad tank car

explosions that took out the fire department, etc.) are what gets saved. In

those cases, you have to deal the card that was dealt.

I did not take this tape as being a condemnation of law enforcement in

general or the fine men and women of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. I looked

at it and shared it with a law enforcement colleague as a case study of what

not to do and what can happen when you let things go south as it related to

my comments above and when this discussion first came out. Not being in her

shoes and not knowing what went on off camera, I can't say if what she did

was right or wrong at that moment in time. I can say that from that the tape

showed there were things that were going on that effected the call and the

outcome.

Just my $.02.

Barry Sharp

Re: Re: Female Trooper Shoots Man On Traffic Stop

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So what if this went to a jury trial. The people on the jury are not

going to be all law enforcement experts. we can discuss this with the

video we know. " a picture is worth a thousand words " .

Wasn't is you who brought this up?

sean

On Friday, Dec 19, 2003, at 16:27 US/Central, Steve composed:

> Exactly.  So would we react so well if a police officer made some

> " objective observations about the code " ?

> But why, oh why, on a EMS board, are we even talking about this?  THAT

> makes it gossip.  If the trooper had shot someone, then did CPR, we are

> within our area of expertise to discuss the CPR.  But we just can't

> escape the fact that, by carrying on about another field, one in which

> as a group we don't have expertise, we are gossiping.

>

> =Steve =

>

[Guest guest]

On Friday, Dec 19, 2003, at 17:05 US/Central, Barry Sharp composed:

> Rev. : Steve didn't bring this topic to the list. It was initiated

> by

> Joby Berkley (thanks for sharing this case with us, BTW).

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>

Oh, that's right, My apologies to those who had their feelings hurt.

[Guest guest]

WOW, I never thought that this video would cause such a conversation among

everyone. However, there have been some great points brought out. I will add

that there was no where near the conversation about this on a peace officer

list server. Makes me wonder if I should have even posted it in the first

place??? : )

Joby Berkley

Re: Re: Female Trooper Shoots Man On Traffic Stop (V

IDEO )

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> On Friday, Dec 19, 2003, at 17:05 US/Central, Barry Sharp composed:

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> > Rev. : Steve didn't bring this topic to the list. It was initiated

> > by

> > Joby Berkley (thanks for sharing this case with us, BTW).

> >

> >

> Oh, that's right, My apologies to those who had their feelings hurt.

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[Guest guest]

Well Joby, the next time we have an " incicent " where an EMS person is

involved and potentially in the wrong, bring that up on the LE

Listserver. They like to gossip as much as we do, as long as it's

about Fire or EMS (like we like to gossip about LE).

Oh, and lest anyone misconstrue my position, I'm just commenting for the

sake of commenting. No emotional involvement whatsoever. After 10

years in LE and now 20 in EMS, I'm fairly hard to offend! And I don't

mean to offend anyone else. I just love a good discussion!

Funny thing, when I left LE and went to the EMS side of the city, many

of my former colleagues accused me of going over to " The DARK Side of

the Force " (ala StarWars)!!! That rivalry has been going on a LONG time!

=Steve=

joby wrote:

>WOW, I never thought that this video would cause such a conversation among

>everyone. However, there have been some great points brought out. I will add

>that there was no where near the conversation about this on a peace officer

>list server. Makes me wonder if I should have even posted it in the first

>place??? : )

>

>Joby Berkley

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>>On Friday, Dec 19, 2003, at 17:05 US/Central, Barry Sharp composed:

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>>>Rev. : Steve didn't bring this topic to the list. It was initiated

>>>by

>>>Joby Berkley (thanks for sharing this case with us, BTW).

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>>Oh, that's right, My apologies to those who had their feelings hurt.

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[Guest guest]

Well Joby, the next time we have an " incicent " where an EMS person is

involved and potentially in the wrong, bring that up on the LE

Listserver. They like to gossip as much as we do, as long as it's

about Fire or EMS (like we like to gossip about LE).

Oh, and lest anyone misconstrue my position, I'm just commenting for the

sake of commenting. No emotional involvement whatsoever. After 10

years in LE and now 20 in EMS, I'm fairly hard to offend! And I don't

mean to offend anyone else. I just love a good discussion!

Funny thing, when I left LE and went to the EMS side of the city, many

of my former colleagues accused me of going over to " The DARK Side of

the Force " (ala StarWars)!!! That rivalry has been going on a LONG time!

=Steve=

joby wrote:

>WOW, I never thought that this video would cause such a conversation among

>everyone. However, there have been some great points brought out. I will add

>that there was no where near the conversation about this on a peace officer

>list server. Makes me wonder if I should have even posted it in the first

>place??? : )

>

>Joby Berkley

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>>On Friday, Dec 19, 2003, at 17:05 US/Central, Barry Sharp composed:

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>>>Rev. : Steve didn't bring this topic to the list. It was initiated

>>>by

>>>Joby Berkley (thanks for sharing this case with us, BTW).

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>>Oh, that's right, My apologies to those who had their feelings hurt.

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