Re: Paramedics Accused Of Sexually Assaulting 15-Year-Old

January 14, 2004

And a very good article it was.

Danny L.

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January 14, 2004

Mark Geragos is on the case.....

" What's wrong with having a 15-year old girl in the back of your ambulance

at 2:00 AM? It is the most loving thing you can do. It's very right. It's

very loving, that's what the world needs now, more love more heart? "

January 14, 2004

Mark Geragos is on the case.....

" What's wrong with having a 15-year old girl in the back of your ambulance

at 2:00 AM? It is the most loving thing you can do. It's very right. It's

very loving, that's what the world needs now, more love more heart? "

January 14, 2004

This isn't MedStar's Explorer program's first " incident. " At least this

time it was heterosexual. That's progress for ya.

Rob

January 14, 2004

This isn't MedStar's Explorer program's first " incident. " At least this

time it was heterosexual. That's progress for ya.

Rob

January 14, 2004

As an Eagle Scout, I have always supported the Explorer programs. We allowed

explorers and high-school students (from a health professions program) into

the emergency department and other areas of the hospitals. We established

very strict rules for dress, language, behavior, privacy concerns, and so

on. For the most part, the kids did great. In EMS, we had to be careful for

them on dangerous scenes (crime and accident) and extremely careful about

bloodborne pathogens. Sexual issues are always a possibility and not limited

to EMS. Many physicians and nurses have ended up in tremendous trouble for

developing even consensual sexual relations with patients. This stuff

shouldn't happen. Three things will happen. The case will be proven to be

bogus, or the defendants will claim it was consensual and they thought she

was 18, or they will plead or be found guilty. The latter two possibilities

will give EMS a very black eye in the eyes of Fort Worth citizens and those

in general. I am sure the national news feeds will pick up this story and

run with it. It is a shame this gets the press when we need to be focusing

on improving EMS pay and benefits, professionalism, expanded treatment

options, longevity and homeland security. People need to read my EMS Cowboys

article again: http://www.jems.com/jems/e1003a.html

Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, TX

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Re: Paramedics Accused Of Sexually Assaulting

15-Year-Old

This isn't MedStar's Explorer program's first " incident. " At least this

time it was heterosexual. That's progress for ya.

Rob

January 14, 2004

Thank god it was heterosexual or it would look bad on the news and in court.

Remember it could happen to any EMS service even yours.

Re: Paramedics Accused Of Sexually Assaulting

15-Year-Old

This isn't MedStar's Explorer program's first " incident. " At least this

time it was heterosexual. That's progress for ya.

Rob

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January 15, 2004

Here we go again; one step forward, two steps back. We can't afford this if we

want to be considered professional. True this happens in other fields of

endeavor, but when this occurs in EMS, it just reinforces previous prejudices

and stereotyping.

What happened to this young lady is inconscionable. Aside from the obvious lack

of respect for this child's rights, it endangers 'explorer' type programs.

These programs can be a source of future medics. Folks, we can't afford this.

With projections of demand rising and medic populations decreasing, we can ill

afford the loss of positive exposure.

Larry RN LP EMSI

January 15, 2004

Just to stir the pot..... are you saying that anytime men and women are

together late at night, we're incapable of self-control? Funny, I'd expect

better

from a professional.

-Wes Ogilvie

January 15, 2004

You are throwing the blame the wrong way and making a very bold statement

(they set themselves up for failure). I take exception to that remark since

I have had children associated with that organization, Girl and Boy Scouts

of America, and I as well as a child.

The family has trusted their daughter to a professional organization, Girl

Scouts and MedStar, and probably never second guessed their decision. How

many of you would have been offended if a parent questioned their child's

safety with you??? Especially if they were concerned about their child being

sexually assaulted or raped, what ever you want to call it. Be careful not

to throw stones at the victim. She was a child that was to be guarded

against all harm!!

However, I will be following this story since I live in the area. This

troubles me greatly and being a law enforcement officer and a paramedic for

many years, this incident deserves the full ( and it will get ) attention of

the FWPD, Tarrant County DA and TDH.

Joby Berkley

Re: Paramedics Accused Of Sexually Assaulting

15-Year-Old

> Who or what parent in their right mind would sllep at night allowing their

15 year old daughter to be out at midnight. this company and the Girl Scouts

set themselves up for failure. It was just waiting to happen.

January 15, 2004

You are throwing the blame the wrong way and making a very bold statement

(they set themselves up for failure). I take exception to that remark since

I have had children associated with that organization, Girl and Boy Scouts

of America, and I as well as a child.

The family has trusted their daughter to a professional organization, Girl

Scouts and MedStar, and probably never second guessed their decision. How

many of you would have been offended if a parent questioned their child's

safety with you??? Especially if they were concerned about their child being

sexually assaulted or raped, what ever you want to call it. Be careful not

to throw stones at the victim. She was a child that was to be guarded

against all harm!!

However, I will be following this story since I live in the area. This

troubles me greatly and being a law enforcement officer and a paramedic for

many years, this incident deserves the full ( and it will get ) attention of

the FWPD, Tarrant County DA and TDH.

Joby Berkley

Re: Paramedics Accused Of Sexually Assaulting

15-Year-Old

> Who or what parent in their right mind would sllep at night allowing their

15 year old daughter to be out at midnight. this company and the Girl Scouts

set themselves up for failure. It was just waiting to happen.

January 15, 2004

joby wrote:

> ...this incident deserves the full ( and it will get ) attention of

> the FWPD, Tarrant County DA and TDH.

FWPD is very well versed in this sort of investigation, since they have

an officer charged with the exact same conduct every couple of years. I

personally know of two FWPD officers convicted of sexual assault on

Explorers in the recent past. Funny thing is, we never see the media

run with those cases. Can't wait to see if we get the same blind eye.

Rob

January 15, 2004

joby wrote:

> ...this incident deserves the full ( and it will get ) attention of

> the FWPD, Tarrant County DA and TDH.

FWPD is very well versed in this sort of investigation, since they have

an officer charged with the exact same conduct every couple of years. I

personally know of two FWPD officers convicted of sexual assault on

Explorers in the recent past. Funny thing is, we never see the media

run with those cases. Can't wait to see if we get the same blind eye.

Rob

January 15, 2004

I have over 32 years in the field working 24 hour shifts with male and female

partners and have never even considered any thing like this would ever happen,

much less with a child this is a terrible thing to happen to ems and that child.

There is no excuse for the actions of those two men not even if it was

consensual which cant happen with a minor who's care and safety the were

entrusted with.

Re: Paramedics Accused Of Sexually Assaulting

15-Year-Old

> Who or what parent in their right mind would sllep at night allowing their

15 year old daughter to be out at midnight. this company and the Girl Scouts

set themselves up for failure. It was just waiting to happen.

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January 15, 2004

Hey Wes,

To begin with, a 15 y/o is not a woman, she is a teenager. I

never said we're incapable of self control. Temptation is what it is. All I am

saying is that this unfortunate incident should not be blamed on the medics

alone. The guilty ones are actually the Girl Scouts, Med Star, and the parents.

Now taking that the story is accurate as written, the D.O. of Med Star should be

out of a job. To even allow a 15 y/o female teenager to be with an all male crew

at 0200 is just stupid. I can just hear the excuse, the crew was posting and was

unable to return to station. She should have been with a crew that had at least

one female. We all know in a case like this that accusation are enough to ruin

your career. If these events are not true, these medics careers are ruined.

The girl scouts should be out selling cookies or whatever it is they do and

leave the ride outs to actual high school medical programs. How many boy scouts

are riding out? And the parents, hmmm..... I have a daughter and I guarantee she

will not be out past 9 p.m. without me knowing her whereabouts.

Re: Paramedics Accused Of Sexually Assaulting

15-Year-Old

Just to stir the pot..... are you saying that anytime men and women are

together late at night, we're incapable of self-control? Funny, I'd expect

better

from a professional.

-Wes Ogilvie

January 15, 2004