Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Gene- In our 911 service here in Dogpatch, we find it so much simpler to write off the debts that go over 365 days......even those requested and signed for, rather than defend against a suit for refusal to pick up a " patron " who has an extensive record of failure to pay.... TD Liens for EMS bills >OK Folks. You asked for it. Here it is. This is the text of SB 504 which >added EMS services to the provisions of the Texas Property Code which >previously allowed hospitals to file liens against certain parties for hospital bills. > >Take a look at this and you'll see rather quickly why one of the posters here >said " see your attorney. " Hell, I'm an attorney and it would take me days >of study to figure out how to apply this piece of legislative shit and make it >stick. The hoops you have to jump through to sustain this lien would >discourage most from even trying. > >The other side of the story is that, once you file the lien, the debtor and >his attorney will be totally baffled about how to defend it. > >This bill is one of the greatest examples of good legislation gone bad from >amendments from special interests that I've ever seen. I can't even tell >whether it was actually signed by the Gov into law from what's presented on the >Texas websites. The original text of the Property Code does not reflect these >amendments when you look it up, and the bill status and text does not show the >Gov's signature. So I'm not even sure it's law. I don't subscribe to the >West's statute service so maybe Wes or or somebody else can figure this out. > > >If you can manage to get through the text you'll see at the very bottom that >it apparently only applies to providers in counties of 100,000 or less. This >is one of the wonderful devices that the Texas legislature is so fond of to >limit a bill's application to certain places. > >Anyway, here it is, in all it's glory: > >GG > > > > > > S.B. No. 504 > > > > >AN ACT > >relating to a lien on a cause of action or claim of an individual who >receives emergency medical services. > BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS: > > SECTION 1. Chapter 55, Property Code, is amended to read as >follows: > >CHAPTER 55. HOSPITAL AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES LIENS [LIEN] > Sec. 55.001. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter: > > (1) " Emergency medical services " has the meaning >assigned by Section 773.003, Health and Safety Code. > (2) " Emergency medical services provider " has the >meaning assigned by Section 773.003, Health and Safety Code. > (3) " Hospital " means a person or institution >maintaining a facility that provides hospital services in this >state. > (4) [(2)] " Person " does not include a county, common, >or independent school district. > Sec. 55.002. LIEN. (a) A hospital has a lien on a cause of >action or claim of an individual who receives hospital services for >injuries caused by an accident that is attributed to the negligence >of another person. For the lien to attach, the individual must be >admitted to a hospital not later than 72 hours after the accident. > ( The lien extends to both the admitting hospital and a >hospital to which the individual is transferred for treatment of >the same injury. > © An emergency medical services provider has a lien on a >cause of action or claim of an individual who receives emergency >medical services in a county with a population of 575,000 or less >for injuries caused by an accident that is attributed to the >negligence of another person. For the lien to attach, the >individual must receive the emergency medical services not later >than 72 hours after the accident. > Sec. 55.003. PROPERTY TO WHICH LIEN ATTACHES. (a) A [The] >lien under this chapter attaches to: > (1) a cause of action for damages arising from an >injury for which the injured individual is admitted to the hospital >or receives emergency medical services; > (2) a judgment of a court in this state or the decision >of a public agency in a proceeding brought by the injured individual >or by another person entitled to bring the suit in case of the death >of the individual to recover damages arising from an injury for >which the injured individual is admitted to the hospital or >receives emergency medical services; and > (3) the proceeds of a settlement of a cause of action >or a claim by the injured individual or another person entitled to >make the claim, arising from an injury for which the injured >individual is admitted to the hospital or receives emergency >medical services. > ( The lien does not attach to: > > (1) a claim under the workers' compensation law of this >state, the Federal Employees Liability Act, or the Federal >Longshore and [Longshoremen's or] Harbor Workers' Compensation Act; >or > (2) [a claim against the owner or operator of a >railroad company that maintains or whose employees maintain a >hospital in which the injured individual is receiving hospital >services; or > [(3)] the proceeds of an insurance policy in favor of >the injured individual or the injured individual's beneficiary or >legal representative, except public liability insurance carried by >the insured that protects the insured against loss caused by an >accident or collision. > © A hospital lien described by Section 55.002(a) does not >attach to a claim against the owner or operator of a railroad >company that maintains or whose employees maintain a hospital in >which the injured individual is receiving hospital services. > Sec. 55.004. AMOUNT OF LIEN. (a) In this section, > " emergency hospital care " means health care services provided in a >hospital to evaluate, stabilize, and treat a serious medical >problem of recent onset or severity, including severe pain that >would lead a prudent layperson possessing an average knowledge of >medicine and health to believe that the condition, illness, or >injury is of such a nature that failure to obtain immediate medical >care would in all reasonable probability: > (1) seriously jeopardize the patient's health; > > (2) seriously impair one or more bodily functions; > > (3) seriously harm an organ or other part of the body; > > (4) cause serious disfigurement; or > > (5) in the case of a pregnant woman, seriously >jeopardize the health of the fetus. > ( A hospital [The] lien described by Section 55.002(a) is >for the amount of the hospital's charges for services provided to >the injured individual during the first 100 days of the injured >individual's hospitalization. > © A hospital [The] lien described by Section 55.002(a) may >also include the amount of a physician's reasonable and necessary >charges for emergency hospital care services provided to the >injured individual during the first seven days of the injured >individual's hospitalization. At the request of the physician, the >hospital may act on the physician's behalf in securing and >discharging the lien. > (d) A hospital [The] lien described by Section 55.002(a) >does not cover: > (1) charges for other services that exceed a >reasonable and regular rate for the services; > (2) charges by the physician related to any services >provided under Subsection © for which the physician has accepted >insurance benefits or payment under a private medical indemnity >plan or program, regardless of whether the benefits or payment >equals the full amount of the physician's charges for those >services; > (3) charges by the physician for services provided >under Subsection © if the injured individual has coverage under a >private medical indemnity plan or program from which the physician >is entitled to recover payment for the physician's services under >an assignment of benefits or similar rights; or > (4) charges by the physician related to any services >provided under Subsection © if the physician is a member of the >legislature. > (e) A hospital [The] lien described by Section 55.002(a) is >not affected by a hospital's use of a method of classifying patients >according to their ability to pay that is solely intended to obtain >a lien for services provided to an indigent injured individual. > (f) An emergency medical services lien described by Section >55.002© is for the amount charged by the emergency medical >services provider, not to exceed $1,000, for emergency medical >services provided to the injured individual during the 72 hours >following the accident that caused the individual's injuries. > (g) An emergency medical services lien described by Section >55.002© does not cover: > (1) charges for services that exceed a reasonable and >regular rate for the services; > (2) charges by the emergency medical services provider >related to any services for which the emergency medical services >provider has accepted insurance benefits or payment under a private >medical indemnity plan or program, regardless of whether the >benefits or payments equal the full amount of the charges for those >services; or > (3) charges by the emergency medical services provider >for services provided if the injured individual has coverage under >a private medical indemnity plan or program from which the provider >is entitled to recover payment for the provider's services under an >assignment of benefits or similar right. > Sec. 55.005. SECURING LIEN. (a) To secure the lien, a >hospital or emergency medical services provider must file written >notice of the lien with the county clerk of the county in which the >[hospital] services were provided. The notice must be filed before >money is paid to an entitled person because of the injury. > ( The notice must contain: > > (1) the injured individual's name and address; > > (2) the date of the accident; > > (3) the name and location of the hospital or emergency >medical services provider claiming the lien; and > (4) the name of the person alleged to be liable for >damages arising from the injury, if known. > © The county clerk shall record the name of the injured >individual, the date of the accident, and the name and address of >the hospital or emergency medical services provider and shall index >the record in the name of the injured individual. > Sec. 55.006. DISCHARGE OF LIEN. (a) To discharge a [the] >lien under this chapter, the [hospital] authorities of the hospital >or emergency medical services provider claiming the lien or the >person in charge of the finances of the hospital or emergency >medical services provider must execute and file with the county >clerk of the county in which the lien notice was filed a certificate >stating that the debt covered by the lien has been paid or released >and authorizing the clerk to discharge the lien. > ( The county clerk shall record a memorandum of the >certificate and the date it was filed. > © The filing of the certificate and recording of the >memorandum discharge the lien. > Sec. 55.007. VALIDITY OF RELEASE. (a) A release of a cause >of action or judgment to which a [the] lien under this chapter may >attach is not valid unless: > (1) the [hospital's] charges of the hospital or >emergency medical services provider claiming the lien were paid in >full before the execution and delivery of the release; > (2) the [hospital's] charges of the hospital or >emergency medical services provider claiming the lien were paid >before the execution and delivery of the release to the extent of >any full and true consideration paid to the injured individual by or >on behalf of the other parties to the release; or > (3) the hospital or emergency medical services >provider claiming the lien is a party to the release. > ( A judgment to which a [the] lien under this chapter has >attached remains in effect until the [hospital's] charges of the >hospital or emergency medical services provider claiming the lien >are paid in full or to the extent set out in the judgment. > Sec. 55.008. [HOSPITAL] RECORDS. (a) On request by an >attorney for a party by, for, or against whom a claim is asserted >for damages arising from an injury, a hospital or emergency medical >services provider shall as promptly as possible make available for >the attorney's examination its records concerning the services >provided to the injured individual. > ( The hospital or emergency medical services provider may >issue reasonable rules for granting access to its records under >this section, but it may not deny access because a record is >incomplete. > © The records are admissible, subject to applicable rules >of evidence, in a civil suit arising from the injury. > SECTION 2. (a) This Act takes effect September 1, 2003. > > ( The change in law made by this Act applies only to >emergency medical services provided by an emergency medical >services provider on or after the effective date of this Act. >Emergency medical services provided by an emergency medical >services provider before the effective date of this Act are >governed by the law in effect at the time the services were >provided, and the former law is continued in effect for that >purpose. > > > > > > >______________________________ ______________________________ >President of the Senate Speaker of the House > I hereby certify that S.B. No. 504 passed the Senate on >March 17, 2003, by a viva-voce vote; May 15, 2003, Senate refused >to concur in House amendment and requested appointment of >Conference Committee; May 22, 2003, House granted request of the >Senate; May 31, 2003, Senate adopted Conference Committee Report >by a viva-voce vote. > > > > >______________________________ > Secretary of the Senate > I hereby certify that S.B. No. 504 passed the House, with >amendment, on May 6, 2003, by a non-record vote; May 22, 2003, >House granted request of the Senate for appointment of Conference >Committee; May 31, 2003, House adopted Conference Committee Report >by a non-record vote. > > > > >______________________________ > Chief Clerk of the House > > > >Approved: > > >______________________________ > Date > > > >______________________________ > Governor > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Gene- In our 911 service here in Dogpatch, we find it so much simpler to write off the debts that go over 365 days......even those requested and signed for, rather than defend against a suit for refusal to pick up a " patron " who has an extensive record of failure to pay.... TD Liens for EMS bills >OK Folks. You asked for it. Here it is. This is the text of SB 504 which >added EMS services to the provisions of the Texas Property Code which >previously allowed hospitals to file liens against certain parties for hospital bills. > >Take a look at this and you'll see rather quickly why one of the posters here >said " see your attorney. " Hell, I'm an attorney and it would take me days >of study to figure out how to apply this piece of legislative shit and make it >stick. The hoops you have to jump through to sustain this lien would >discourage most from even trying. > >The other side of the story is that, once you file the lien, the debtor and >his attorney will be totally baffled about how to defend it. > >This bill is one of the greatest examples of good legislation gone bad from >amendments from special interests that I've ever seen. I can't even tell >whether it was actually signed by the Gov into law from what's presented on the >Texas websites. The original text of the Property Code does not reflect these >amendments when you look it up, and the bill status and text does not show the >Gov's signature. So I'm not even sure it's law. I don't subscribe to the >West's statute service so maybe Wes or or somebody else can figure this out. > > >If you can manage to get through the text you'll see at the very bottom that >it apparently only applies to providers in counties of 100,000 or less. This >is one of the wonderful devices that the Texas legislature is so fond of to >limit a bill's application to certain places. > >Anyway, here it is, in all it's glory: > >GG > > > > > > S.B. No. 504 > > > > >AN ACT > >relating to a lien on a cause of action or claim of an individual who >receives emergency medical services. > BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS: > > SECTION 1. Chapter 55, Property Code, is amended to read as >follows: > >CHAPTER 55. HOSPITAL AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES LIENS [LIEN] > Sec. 55.001. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter: > > (1) " Emergency medical services " has the meaning >assigned by Section 773.003, Health and Safety Code. > (2) " Emergency medical services provider " has the >meaning assigned by Section 773.003, Health and Safety Code. > (3) " Hospital " means a person or institution >maintaining a facility that provides hospital services in this >state. > (4) [(2)] " Person " does not include a county, common, >or independent school district. > Sec. 55.002. LIEN. (a) A hospital has a lien on a cause of >action or claim of an individual who receives hospital services for >injuries caused by an accident that is attributed to the negligence >of another person. For the lien to attach, the individual must be >admitted to a hospital not later than 72 hours after the accident. > ( The lien extends to both the admitting hospital and a >hospital to which the individual is transferred for treatment of >the same injury. > © An emergency medical services provider has a lien on a >cause of action or claim of an individual who receives emergency >medical services in a county with a population of 575,000 or less >for injuries caused by an accident that is attributed to the >negligence of another person. For the lien to attach, the >individual must receive the emergency medical services not later >than 72 hours after the accident. > Sec. 55.003. PROPERTY TO WHICH LIEN ATTACHES. (a) A [The] >lien under this chapter attaches to: > (1) a cause of action for damages arising from an >injury for which the injured individual is admitted to the hospital >or receives emergency medical services; > (2) a judgment of a court in this state or the decision >of a public agency in a proceeding brought by the injured individual >or by another person entitled to bring the suit in case of the death >of the individual to recover damages arising from an injury for >which the injured individual is admitted to the hospital or >receives emergency medical services; and > (3) the proceeds of a settlement of a cause of action >or a claim by the injured individual or another person entitled to >make the claim, arising from an injury for which the injured >individual is admitted to the hospital or receives emergency >medical services. > ( The lien does not attach to: > > (1) a claim under the workers' compensation law of this >state, the Federal Employees Liability Act, or the Federal >Longshore and [Longshoremen's or] Harbor Workers' Compensation Act; >or > (2) [a claim against the owner or operator of a >railroad company that maintains or whose employees maintain a >hospital in which the injured individual is receiving hospital >services; or > [(3)] the proceeds of an insurance policy in favor of >the injured individual or the injured individual's beneficiary or >legal representative, except public liability insurance carried by >the insured that protects the insured against loss caused by an >accident or collision. > © A hospital lien described by Section 55.002(a) does not >attach to a claim against the owner or operator of a railroad >company that maintains or whose employees maintain a hospital in >which the injured individual is receiving hospital services. > Sec. 55.004. AMOUNT OF LIEN. (a) In this section, > " emergency hospital care " means health care services provided in a >hospital to evaluate, stabilize, and treat a serious medical >problem of recent onset or severity, including severe pain that >would lead a prudent layperson possessing an average knowledge of >medicine and health to believe that the condition, illness, or >injury is of such a nature that failure to obtain immediate medical >care would in all reasonable probability: > (1) seriously jeopardize the patient's health; > > (2) seriously impair one or more bodily functions; > > (3) seriously harm an organ or other part of the body; > > (4) cause serious disfigurement; or > > (5) in the case of a pregnant woman, seriously >jeopardize the health of the fetus. > ( A hospital [The] lien described by Section 55.002(a) is >for the amount of the hospital's charges for services provided to >the injured individual during the first 100 days of the injured >individual's hospitalization. > © A hospital [The] lien described by Section 55.002(a) may >also include the amount of a physician's reasonable and necessary >charges for emergency hospital care services provided to the >injured individual during the first seven days of the injured >individual's hospitalization. At the request of the physician, the >hospital may act on the physician's behalf in securing and >discharging the lien. > (d) A hospital [The] lien described by Section 55.002(a) >does not cover: > (1) charges for other services that exceed a >reasonable and regular rate for the services; > (2) charges by the physician related to any services >provided under Subsection © for which the physician has accepted >insurance benefits or payment under a private medical indemnity >plan or program, regardless of whether the benefits or payment >equals the full amount of the physician's charges for those >services; > (3) charges by the physician for services provided >under Subsection © if the injured individual has coverage under a >private medical indemnity plan or program from which the physician >is entitled to recover payment for the physician's services under >an assignment of benefits or similar rights; or > (4) charges by the physician related to any services >provided under Subsection © if the physician is a member of the >legislature. > (e) A hospital [The] lien described by Section 55.002(a) is >not affected by a hospital's use of a method of classifying patients >according to their ability to pay that is solely intended to obtain >a lien for services provided to an indigent injured individual. > (f) An emergency medical services lien described by Section >55.002© is for the amount charged by the emergency medical >services provider, not to exceed $1,000, for emergency medical >services provided to the injured individual during the 72 hours >following the accident that caused the individual's injuries. > (g) An emergency medical services lien described by Section >55.002© does not cover: > (1) charges for services that exceed a reasonable and >regular rate for the services; > (2) charges by the emergency medical services provider >related to any services for which the emergency medical services >provider has accepted insurance benefits or payment under a private >medical indemnity plan or program, regardless of whether the >benefits or payments equal the full amount of the charges for those >services; or > (3) charges by the emergency medical services provider >for services provided if the injured individual has coverage under >a private medical indemnity plan or program from which the provider >is entitled to recover payment for the provider's services under an >assignment of benefits or similar right. > Sec. 55.005. SECURING LIEN. (a) To secure the lien, a >hospital or emergency medical services provider must file written >notice of the lien with the county clerk of the county in which the >[hospital] services were provided. The notice must be filed before >money is paid to an entitled person because of the injury. > ( The notice must contain: > > (1) the injured individual's name and address; > > (2) the date of the accident; > > (3) the name and location of the hospital or emergency >medical services provider claiming the lien; and > (4) the name of the person alleged to be liable for >damages arising from the injury, if known. > © The county clerk shall record the name of the injured >individual, the date of the accident, and the name and address of >the hospital or emergency medical services provider and shall index >the record in the name of the injured individual. > Sec. 55.006. DISCHARGE OF LIEN. (a) To discharge a [the] >lien under this chapter, the [hospital] authorities of the hospital >or emergency medical services provider claiming the lien or the >person in charge of the finances of the hospital or emergency >medical services provider must execute and file with the county >clerk of the county in which the lien notice was filed a certificate >stating that the debt covered by the lien has been paid or released >and authorizing the clerk to discharge the lien. > ( The county clerk shall record a memorandum of the >certificate and the date it was filed. > © The filing of the certificate and recording of the >memorandum discharge the lien. > Sec. 55.007. VALIDITY OF RELEASE. (a) A release of a cause >of action or judgment to which a [the] lien under this chapter may >attach is not valid unless: > (1) the [hospital's] charges of the hospital or >emergency medical services provider claiming the lien were paid in >full before the execution and delivery of the release; > (2) the [hospital's] charges of the hospital or >emergency medical services provider claiming the lien were paid >before the execution and delivery of the release to the extent of >any full and true consideration paid to the injured individual by or >on behalf of the other parties to the release; or > (3) the hospital or emergency medical services >provider claiming the lien is a party to the release. > ( A judgment to which a [the] lien under this chapter has >attached remains in effect until the [hospital's] charges of the >hospital or emergency medical services provider claiming the lien >are paid in full or to the extent set out in the judgment. > Sec. 55.008. [HOSPITAL] RECORDS. (a) On request by an >attorney for a party by, for, or against whom a claim is asserted >for damages arising from an injury, a hospital or emergency medical >services provider shall as promptly as possible make available for >the attorney's examination its records concerning the services >provided to the injured individual. > ( The hospital or emergency medical services provider may >issue reasonable rules for granting access to its records under >this section, but it may not deny access because a record is >incomplete. > © The records are admissible, subject to applicable rules >of evidence, in a civil suit arising from the injury. > SECTION 2. (a) This Act takes effect September 1, 2003. > > ( The change in law made by this Act applies only to >emergency medical services provided by an emergency medical >services provider on or after the effective date of this Act. >Emergency medical services provided by an emergency medical >services provider before the effective date of this Act are >governed by the law in effect at the time the services were >provided, and the former law is continued in effect for that >purpose. > > > > > > >______________________________ ______________________________ >President of the Senate Speaker of the House > I hereby certify that S.B. No. 504 passed the Senate on >March 17, 2003, by a viva-voce vote; May 15, 2003, Senate refused >to concur in House amendment and requested appointment of >Conference Committee; May 22, 2003, House granted request of the >Senate; May 31, 2003, Senate adopted Conference Committee Report >by a viva-voce vote. > > > > >______________________________ > Secretary of the Senate > I hereby certify that S.B. No. 504 passed the House, with >amendment, on May 6, 2003, by a non-record vote; May 22, 2003, >House granted request of the Senate for appointment of Conference >Committee; May 31, 2003, House adopted Conference Committee Report >by a non-record vote. > > > > >______________________________ > Chief Clerk of the House > > > >Approved: > > >______________________________ > Date > > > >______________________________ > Governor > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on someone the day of or the day after treat/transport? I do not imagine an EMS service would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start occurring. I could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old saying goes, shit rolls down hill. Just my opinion..... Joby Berkley Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > OK Folks. You asked for it. Here it is. This is the text of SB 504 > which > > added EMS services to the provisions of the Texas Property Code which > > previously allowed hospitals to file liens against certain parties for > hospital bills. > > And EMS services are also capable of using it, as well they should be, we > need all the help we can get collecting our money. > > > > > Take a look at this and you'll see rather quickly why one of the posters > here > > said " see your attorney. " Hell, I'm an attorney and it would take me > days > > of study to figure out how to apply this piece of legislative shit and > make it > > stick. The hoops you have to jump through to sustain this lien would > > discourage most from even trying. > > It's really quite simple, you treat and transport, that same day, you gather > all the information, take 10 minutes to fill out the paperwork, in our case, > we have a secretary to do it, and by now she has it down to a science, drive > it to your county clerk and file the lien, it is up to their attorney to > make sure that we get a check for our services, the amount which is included > in the settlement, then we release the lien, and they get all the rest of > the money. > > It's not up to me to make sure you do yor thing, it's up to you to make sure > I get my money, then you get yours, no different than the bank being the > first lien holder while your car is financed, they get their money, then you > get your car. > > EMS services in a county of less than 575,000 can do it, and I highly > recommend it. > > 55.0002 > > > © An emergency medical services provider has a lien on a > > cause of action or claim of an individual who receives emergency > > medical services in a county with a population of 575,000 or less > > for injuries caused by an accident that is attributed to the > > negligence of another person. For the lien to attach, the > > individual must receive the emergency medical services not later > > than 72 hours after the accident. > > Curious what your county population is? > > http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/maps/texas_map.html > > There are certain criteria which must be met, but imagine collecting on all > the BS 'Allstate' wrecks that you go to and transport from.......remember > that you may bill (theoreticaly) 500.00, the plaintiff adds 500.00 to their > claim, and you now have a lien for 500.00, in order for the plaintiff to get > the balance of their settlement, you must get your 500.00. > > > > The other side of the story is that, once you file the lien, the debtor > and > > his attorney will be totally baffled about how to defend it. > > Which may well be why we get paid, it is easier to pay us, than to argue > with us..., kinda like the alligator shoe being on the other > foot........ (no offense to the alligators on the list) > > Just remember to release the lien, nothing like a pissed off alligator to > ruin your day..... > > Mike > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Well, it all come down to indigent care, which is what EMS has become about. Can't afford healthcare, so I use EMS as a ride, and a possible ticket to the head of the line, and EMTALA to ensure that I get the best care available in the ER. What are we going to collect? From whom? The ones who can afford to pay their bills usually do without resorting to liens, the ones who can't, never will under any circumstances. We can't toss them from their homes or repo their dilapidated cars....mark their credit scores? Get a hunk of their " estate " when they die? I don't agree. Healthcare has to absorb a certain ammount of people who either cannot, or will not pay their bills, and EMS just has to take it like everybody else. The " tired of being abused at 3 am " side of me would like something to be done, but my realistic side knows there are too many political pitfalls. All it would take is one 85 year-old lady on the local news bitching about the lien that was placed on her 2 room shack. magnetass sends Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on someone > the > > day of or the day after treat/transport? > > Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to > collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember that > the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against their > house or their car. > > > I do not imagine an EMS service > > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start occurring. I > > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old saying > > goes, shit rolls down hill. > > Because we collect? > > Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are > nowhere near budget? > > Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial > survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we > could do better at billed vs. collected? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 True story but I'm not naming the municipality.... there was a city years ago which used to turn off the water service on people who did not pay their ambulance bill..... B. , LP Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine EMS Educator Baylor EMS Medical Control 400 N. Main St. #104 Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300 Office Fax Cell Cell e-mail 8179925662@... Hospital Pager Personal Pager pager e-mail 8174342094@... Re: Liens for EMS bills > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on someone the > day of or the day after treat/transport? Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember that the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against their house or their car. > I do not imagine an EMS service > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start occurring. I > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old saying > goes, shit rolls down hill. Because we collect? Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are nowhere near budget? Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we could do better at billed vs. collected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 I really do believe that if services were to start this practice, people would scare off some citizens from calling 911. Joby Berkley Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > Gene- > > > > In our 911 service here in Dogpatch, we find it so much simpler to write > off > > the debts that go over 365 days......even those requested and signed for, > > rather than defend against a suit for refusal to pick up a " patron " who > has > > an extensive record of failure to pay.... > > > > TD > > If you are writing off one or two, that may be the case, if you are writing > off 100 per year, that's a different story. 100 calls X 300.00 is 30k in > revenue you are throwing out the window. > > Placing a lien does not force them to pay something they don't have, or > don't owe, nobody has been forced form their homes, no cars have been > repossessed, it simply insures that EMS gets their money from the > settlement. > > Any any service that refuses to pick up a patient, no matter how much he > owes is just getting closer to the alligator pond. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 It hasn't changed since 1974. I have transported " I got a bad ingrown toenail " , " I need my Dilantin refilled " , " I haven't had a bowel movement in two days " , " I think my man done gave me the clap " The worst ever was a busy Saturday night in Fort Worth. The waiting room was packed. A woman sat and watched the ambulances come in and take the patients right back for treatment. Finally, after waiting several hours, she went home and called the EMS. We carried her right back to the ED (at 2:30 AM while all hell was breaking loose in the city) and she was taken right back. The discharge diagnosis was: " thrombosed external hemorrhoid " Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX Don't miss EMStock 2004! http://www.emstock.com Re: Liens for EMS bills Well, it all come down to indigent care, which is what EMS has become about. Can't afford healthcare, so I use EMS as a ride, and a possible ticket to the head of the line, and EMTALA to ensure that I get the best care available in the ER. What are we going to collect? From whom? The ones who can afford to pay their bills usually do without resorting to liens, the ones who can't, never will under any circumstances. We can't toss them from their homes or repo their dilapidated cars....mark their credit scores? Get a hunk of their " estate " when they die? I don't agree. Healthcare has to absorb a certain ammount of people who either cannot, or will not pay their bills, and EMS just has to take it like everybody else. The " tired of being abused at 3 am " side of me would like something to be done, but my realistic side knows there are too many political pitfalls. All it would take is one 85 year-old lady on the local news bitching about the lien that was placed on her 2 room shack. magnetass sends Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on someone > the > > day of or the day after treat/transport? > > Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to > collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember that > the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against their > house or their car. > > > I do not imagine an EMS service > > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start occurring. I > > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old saying > > goes, shit rolls down hill. > > Because we collect? > > Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are > nowhere near budget? > > Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial > survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we > could do better at billed vs. collected? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Do you really want to scare off people from calling 911? Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX Don't miss EMStock 2004! http://www.emstock.com Re: Liens for EMS bills I really do believe that if services were to start this practice, people would scare off some citizens from calling 911. Joby Berkley Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > Gene- > > > > In our 911 service here in Dogpatch, we find it so much simpler to write > off > > the debts that go over 365 days......even those requested and signed for, > > rather than defend against a suit for refusal to pick up a " patron " who > has > > an extensive record of failure to pay.... > > > > TD > > If you are writing off one or two, that may be the case, if you are writing > off 100 per year, that's a different story. 100 calls X 300.00 is 30k in > revenue you are throwing out the window. > > Placing a lien does not force them to pay something they don't have, or > don't owe, nobody has been forced form their homes, no cars have been > repossessed, it simply insures that EMS gets their money from the > settlement. > > Any any service that refuses to pick up a patient, no matter how much he > owes is just getting closer to the alligator pond. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Dallas did this in the 1970s Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX Don't miss EMStock 2004! http://www.emstock.com Re: Liens for EMS bills > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on someone the > day of or the day after treat/transport? Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember that the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against their house or their car. > I do not imagine an EMS service > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start occurring. I > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old saying > goes, shit rolls down hill. Because we collect? Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are nowhere near budget? Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we could do better at billed vs. collected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Really?? This was a considerably smaller town and was at least 2 decades later!!!!! B. , LP Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine EMS Educator Baylor EMS Medical Control 400 N. Main St. #104 Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300 Office Fax Cell Cell e-mail 8179925662@... Hospital Pager Personal Pager pager e-mail 8174342094@... Re: Liens for EMS bills > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on someone the > day of or the day after treat/transport? Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember that the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against their house or their car. > I do not imagine an EMS service > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start occurring. I > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old saying > goes, shit rolls down hill. Because we collect? Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are nowhere near budget? Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we could do better at billed vs. collected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Really?? This was a considerably smaller town and was at least 2 decades later!!!!! B. , LP Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine EMS Educator Baylor EMS Medical Control 400 N. Main St. #104 Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300 Office Fax Cell Cell e-mail 8179925662@... Hospital Pager Personal Pager pager e-mail 8174342094@... Re: Liens for EMS bills > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on someone the > day of or the day after treat/transport? Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember that the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against their house or their car. > I do not imagine an EMS service > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start occurring. I > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old saying > goes, shit rolls down hill. Because we collect? Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are nowhere near budget? Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we could do better at billed vs. collected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Really?? This was a considerably smaller town and was at least 2 decades later!!!!! B. , LP Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine EMS Educator Baylor EMS Medical Control 400 N. Main St. #104 Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300 Office Fax Cell Cell e-mail 8179925662@... Hospital Pager Personal Pager pager e-mail 8174342094@... Re: Liens for EMS bills > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on someone the > day of or the day after treat/transport? Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember that the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against their house or their car. > I do not imagine an EMS service > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start occurring. I > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old saying > goes, shit rolls down hill. Because we collect? Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are nowhere near budget? Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we could do better at billed vs. collected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Damn Doc ain't afraid of naming no damn body....LOL!! Joby Berkley Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on > someone > the > > day of or the day after treat/transport? > > Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to > collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember > that > the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against > their > house or their car. > > > I do not imagine an EMS service > > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start > occurring. I > > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old > saying > > goes, shit rolls down hill. > > Because we collect? > > Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are > nowhere near budget? > > Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial > survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we > could do better at billed vs. collected? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Damn Doc ain't afraid of naming no damn body....LOL!! Joby Berkley Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on > someone > the > > day of or the day after treat/transport? > > Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to > collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember > that > the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against > their > house or their car. > > > I do not imagine an EMS service > > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start > occurring. I > > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old > saying > > goes, shit rolls down hill. > > Because we collect? > > Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are > nowhere near budget? > > Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial > survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we > could do better at billed vs. collected? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Damn Doc ain't afraid of naming no damn body....LOL!! Joby Berkley Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on > someone > the > > day of or the day after treat/transport? > > Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to > collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember > that > the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against > their > house or their car. > > > I do not imagine an EMS service > > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start > occurring. I > > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old > saying > > goes, shit rolls down hill. > > Because we collect? > > Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are > nowhere near budget? > > Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial > survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we > could do better at billed vs. collected? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 No north central texas: dallas/ft. Worth area B. , LP Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine EMS Educator Baylor EMS Medical Control 400 N. Main St. #104 Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300 Office Fax Cell Cell e-mail 8179925662@... Hospital Pager Personal Pager pager e-mail 8174342094@... Re: Liens for EMS bills Your from South Texas aren't you???? Mike Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on > someone > the > > day of or the day after treat/transport? > > Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to > collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember > that > the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against > their > house or their car. > > > I do not imagine an EMS service > > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start > occurring. I > > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old > saying > > goes, shit rolls down hill. > > Because we collect? > > Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are > nowhere near budget? > > Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial > survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we > could do better at billed vs. collected? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 No north central texas: dallas/ft. Worth area B. , LP Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine EMS Educator Baylor EMS Medical Control 400 N. Main St. #104 Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300 Office Fax Cell Cell e-mail 8179925662@... Hospital Pager Personal Pager pager e-mail 8174342094@... Re: Liens for EMS bills Your from South Texas aren't you???? Mike Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on > someone > the > > day of or the day after treat/transport? > > Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to > collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember > that > the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against > their > house or their car. > > > I do not imagine an EMS service > > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start > occurring. I > > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old > saying > > goes, shit rolls down hill. > > Because we collect? > > Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are > nowhere near budget? > > Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial > survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we > could do better at billed vs. collected? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 No north central texas: dallas/ft. Worth area B. , LP Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine EMS Educator Baylor EMS Medical Control 400 N. Main St. #104 Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300 Office Fax Cell Cell e-mail 8179925662@... Hospital Pager Personal Pager pager e-mail 8174342094@... Re: Liens for EMS bills Your from South Texas aren't you???? Mike Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on > someone > the > > day of or the day after treat/transport? > > Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to > collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember > that > the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against > their > house or their car. > > > I do not imagine an EMS service > > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start > occurring. I > > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old > saying > > goes, shit rolls down hill. > > Because we collect? > > Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are > nowhere near budget? > > Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial > survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we > could do better at billed vs. collected? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 gotcha. I misunderstood. magnetass sends Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on > someone > > > the > > > > day of or the day after treat/transport? > > > > > > Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to > > > collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember > that > > > the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against > > their > > > house or their car. > > > > > > > I do not imagine an EMS service > > > > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start > occurring. > > I > > > > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old > > saying > > > > goes, shit rolls down hill. > > > > > > Because we collect? > > > > > > Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are > > > nowhere near budget? > > > > > > Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial > > > survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we > > > could do better at billed vs. collected? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 gotcha. I misunderstood. magnetass sends Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on > someone > > > the > > > > day of or the day after treat/transport? > > > > > > Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to > > > collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember > that > > > the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against > > their > > > house or their car. > > > > > > > I do not imagine an EMS service > > > > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start > occurring. > > I > > > > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old > > saying > > > > goes, shit rolls down hill. > > > > > > Because we collect? > > > > > > Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are > > > nowhere near budget? > > > > > > Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial > > > survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we > > > could do better at billed vs. collected? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 gotcha. I misunderstood. magnetass sends Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on > someone > > > the > > > > day of or the day after treat/transport? > > > > > > Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to > > > collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember > that > > > the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against > > their > > > house or their car. > > > > > > > I do not imagine an EMS service > > > > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start > occurring. > > I > > > > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old > > saying > > > > goes, shit rolls down hill. > > > > > > Because we collect? > > > > > > Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are > > > nowhere near budget? > > > > > > Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial > > > survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we > > > could do better at billed vs. collected? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 I can beat that. " I'm thirsty " " I'm hungry " " I can't sleep " " I think there is a force in my walls that makes my TV come on " " I took some sleeping pills, now I feel like I want to pass out " " I smoked some weed, now I feel all dizzy and kind of like I'm drunk " Pt: " Where am I going to get this prescription filled at 3 AM? " Paramedic: " Eckerds? " Pt: " For real? " Paramedic: " Yes ma'am....for real " sigh...... magnetass sends Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on someone > > the > > > day of or the day after treat/transport? > > > > Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to > > collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember that > > the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against > their > > house or their car. > > > > > I do not imagine an EMS service > > > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start occurring. > I > > > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old > saying > > > goes, shit rolls down hill. > > > > Because we collect? > > > > Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are > > nowhere near budget? > > > > Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial > > survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we > > could do better at billed vs. collected? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Hah! That'll surely open a can of worms. Alfonso R. Ochoa, NREMT-P > Your from South Texas aren't you???? > > Mike > > > Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > From: " joby " <joby@s...> > > > > > > > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on > > someone > > the > > > day of or the day after treat/transport? > > > > Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to > > collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember > > that > > the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against > > their > > house or their car. > > > > > I do not imagine an EMS service > > > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start > > occurring. I > > > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old > > saying > > > goes, shit rolls down hill. > > > > Because we collect? > > > > Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are > > nowhere near budget? > > > > Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial > > survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we > > could do better at billed vs. collected? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Hah! That'll surely open a can of worms. Alfonso R. Ochoa, NREMT-P > Your from South Texas aren't you???? > > Mike > > > Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > From: " joby " <joby@s...> > > > > > > > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on > > someone > > the > > > day of or the day after treat/transport? > > > > Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to > > collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember > > that > > the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against > > their > > house or their car. > > > > > I do not imagine an EMS service > > > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start > > occurring. I > > > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old > > saying > > > goes, shit rolls down hill. > > > > Because we collect? > > > > Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are > > nowhere near budget? > > > > Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial > > survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we > > could do better at billed vs. collected? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 As far as I know utilities are still turned off for none payment . Lights gas water, but not ems police or fire. We absorb and right off the losses and still provide care for the pt. We have also found that filling liens throws good money after bad. We have found that paying a collection agency throws good money after bad. Re: Liens for EMS bills > > > > > > > Do you not think that it would be a bit quick to throw a lien on > someone > the > > day of or the day after treat/transport? > > Not at all, if you wait, you run a risk of missing an opportunity to > collect. All the lien does, is insure that we get out money. Remember > that > the lien is against the judegement that they may receive, not against > their > house or their car. > > > I do not imagine an EMS service > > would keep a contract to long, at all, if this were to start > occurring. I > > could see some politicians getting some phone calls and as the old > saying > > goes, shit rolls down hill. > > Because we collect? > > Would those be the same politicians pissing and moaning because we are > nowhere near budget? > > Why should the business of EMS work any less at insuring their financial > survival? Isn't that where 90% of our issues come from? Don't we wish we > could do better at billed vs. collected? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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