Re: off topic--Catholic sex manual, etc...

December 28, 2001

Ann-Marie.... if there EVER was a nun who could shake up the hierarchy

in Rome, it would be YOU! But... promise me that before you go to Rome

you'll stop by Calif. and pick me up.... I wouldn't miss that for all

the tea in China...LOL

Hope you had a great day.

Take care,

Vicki

December 29, 2001

I wouldn't mind shaking them up, too. Nearly did when

my ex petitioned for an annulment so he could marry a

" good Catholic " woman (only his 3rd try.) I found the

whole process so insulting...I began a campaign to

fight the Catholic Church's process. Even went so far

as to enlist the assistance of Vitoli, an

author who has written against the process...then I

sort of had my own little miracle during the

proceedings and realized none of this had anything to

do with God. Asked the priest where I could turn in

my Baptismal certificate (sorry, Ann-Marie!) and

walked away and never looked back.

We go through a lot sometimes...but it's been an

eye-opener I wouldn't have missed! Catholic church or

Islam...not sure which treats women worse. And we

could, and do, do so much and bring so much to our

faith. Sorry to digress...

Lynn

--- anzavic@... wrote:

>

> Ann-Marie.... if there EVER was a nun who could

> shake up the hierarchy

> in Rome, it would be YOU! But... promise me that

> before you go to Rome

> you'll stop by Calif. and pick me up.... I wouldn't

> miss that for all

> the tea in China...LOL

>

> Hope you had a great day.

> Take care,

> Vicki

>

December 29, 2001

Amen to that Lynn... It's high time the Catholics joined in with the

changing times... A WOMAN needs to be the Pope!

Enough said!

Vicki

December 29, 2001

Amen to that Lynn... It's high time the Catholics joined in with the

changing times... A WOMAN needs to be the Pope!

Enough said!

Vicki

December 30, 2001

Lynn--sorry you had such a bad experience with the annulment process. Many do, including my sister who is Presbyterian now. I think a lot depends on who is working with you--I have a really good friend (a sister in my community) who is a pastoral worker in a parish and works with lots of individuals on annulments. She cries with them (of course, she's a woman, so..................)

Ann-Marie

P.S. Everyone--I DO love the Church but not the bull____. So many have been hurt by "red tape" or insensitivity by priests and nuns in their pasts. I refer to these folks as "recovering Catholics" and always tell them how sorry I am about whatever negative experience they've had. I hope in some way this gives them a "different ending.." (editorial now finished!)Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here

December 30, 2001

Geez, Ann-Marie, now I feel bad for spouting off like

that! Could I blame the Pred...naw...actually, there

are no more hard feelings about it. I dealt with a

nasty priest in the St. Louis diocese...well, maybe

not nasty...high falutin', if you get my drift...you

are just a woman kind of attitude. Oh, believe me, I

gave him several pieces of my mind. And he never once

gave me an adequate response about the legitimacy of

the children...In his defense or ?, the annulment was

granted to me...my ex was found severely lacking in

proper intentions within the framework of matrimony

and the sacraments.

Actually, it was a healing time for me...I got right

with a lot of stuff! Now, my walk with Him is better

than ever. And when I need ritual...there is the

church...I still love the Latin mass. Just may have

located a local church that still offers one.

I just wish to goodness those stuffed shirts in Rome

realized we women have so much to contribute...the

Episcopalians don't have any problems with it! And

since we stole most of their music, you'd think we

could steal a little of that attitude from 'em, too!

Hugs to you, Ann-Marie...and how are you feeling these

days???

Lynn

--- " Ann-Marie Borgess, SND "

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annulment process. & nbsp; Many do, including my sister

who is Presbyterian now. & nbsp; I think a lot depends

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friend (a sister in my community) who is a pastoral

worker in a parish and works with lots of individuals

on annulments. & nbsp; She cries with them (of course,

she's a woman, so..................)</P>

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Catholics " and always tell them how sorry I am about

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December 31, 2001

Dear Anne-Marie,

What a beautiful response to Lynn. If the Catholic church had more people like you to represent the religion, there would be much more to appreciate within the church. You are a wonderful representative of what it should mean to serve God. Annette

-----Original Message-----From: Ann-Marie Borgess, SND Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 5:41 PMTo: OurMyositis Subject: Re: off topic--Catholic sex manual, etc...

Lynn--sorry you had such a bad experience with the annulment process. Many do, including my sister who is Presbyterian now. I think a lot depends on who is working with you--I have a really good friend (a sister in my community) who is a pastoral worker in a parish and works with lots of individuals on annulments. She cries with them (of course, she's a woman, so..................)

Ann-Marie

P.S. Everyone--I DO love the Church but not the bull____. So many have been hurt by "red tape" or insensitivity by priests and nuns in their pasts. I refer to these folks as "recovering Catholics" and always tell them how sorry I am about whatever negative experience they've had. I hope in some way this gives them a "different ending.." (editorial now finished!)

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