Re: Cortisol dosing question/high cortisol

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Im confused..if you have high cortisol, why are you taking cortisol?

Subject: Cortisol dosing question/high cortisolTo: RT3_T3 Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 7:51 PM

Hello,I just joined this board and just started taking cortisol 3 days ago. My cortisol is high, I don't have RT3 or thyroid antibodies, but my T3 is in the low-normal range. I have had high cortisol in saliva tests for the last 3 years and probably before that even. The last test I had was a year ago, but my symptoms feel the same. I have had trouble tolerating cortisol, T3 and thyroid medicine in the past, so my Dr (Naturopathic) put me on 2.75 MG's compounded bioidentical cortisol twice a day. The first 2 days I had very bad migranes, (first day I slept for 5 hours after taking the dose) and other bad feelings - fatigue/spacey, warm in the face. Today I doubled the dose. I felt better, a little hyper - but that is ok I will take hyper - I am never hyper! No migraines but tired in the early evening - still tired. So my question is, with high cortisol, is dosing the

same as with low cortisol? I have the link to the STTM cortisol dosing schedule, but am not sure what to follow. Also fyi I will eventually be adding in T3 after this part is working. Thanks in advance.------------------------------------

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I also would not treat high cortils by adding in more cortiosl.

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In the past I have taken PS for the high cortisol. That has not worked so well,

brought it down a little but not enough. I am taking cortisol now to give my

adrenals a break. Then I plan to add in T3. I have been on the cortisol for

about a week now and doing ok, but still having some symptoms. I am taking

about 20 MG give or take. In the beginning I didn't realize that the low dose I

was taking was causing it to crash too low, resulting in bad symptoms. There is

some reason my adrenals are pushing out so much cortisol but they have been

doing it for a few years and I suppressing them for a while is a good idea if I

feel good enough on the cortisol. Comments welcome, thanks.

Moon

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> I also would not treat high cortils by adding in more cortiosl.

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> There is some reason my adrenals are pushing out so much cortisol but they

have been doing it for a few years and I suppressing them for a while is a good

idea if I feel good enough on the cortisol. Comments welcome, thanks.

Being hypo is a reason for them to push out too much.

From what I can gather reading between the lines of what is published

a common sequence as the thyroid sinks is for the adrenals to make

more cortisol to compensate for lack of thyroid before they end up

" burning out " . If you catch the hypo before the last stage then you

can be in the " too much cortisol " stage and hopefully fully treating

the hypo will lower it by both taking away the reason for it and also

utilising some of the cortisol as the T3 gets into the cells.

Nick

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what is the last stage and how do you know if you got there?

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Here is a link ot the stages of adrneal fatigue. You can match them to

your saliva cortiowl and DHEA results.

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI.html

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is this a place you recommend for treatment?

Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol dosing question/high cortisolTo: RT3_T3 Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 10:00 AM

Here is a link ot the stages of adrneal fatigue. You can match them to your saliva cortiowl and DHEA results.http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI.html-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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is this a place you recommend for treatment?

Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol dosing question/high cortisolTo: RT3_T3 Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 10:00 AM

Here is a link ot the stages of adrneal fatigue. You can match them to your saliva cortiowl and DHEA results.http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI.html-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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is this a place you recommend for treatment?

Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol dosing question/high cortisolTo: RT3_T3 Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 10:00 AM

Here is a link ot the stages of adrneal fatigue. You can match them to your saliva cortiowl and DHEA results.http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI.html-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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I havenot ofund ANY place I would recommend fo treatment. It seems every

time I think someone knows their stuff they do something stoopid so I no

longer recommend.

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LOL I can see that Val, I have been on the real thryoid group and STTM a while

back when I tried thyroid medication that didnt work. So now this is the method

I'm trying. The moderators on there say people on there with high cortisol have

taken cortisol too. I think there is even on string that you posted on STTM

responding to people with high cortisol taking cortisol. Anyway, when I add the

T3 in hopefully soon, I will see how that goes - I am sensitive to everything

but tolerating the cortisol although I am tired and kind of out of it, just a

different kind of tired an out of it than usual. The T3 will be a very low

starting dose so hopefully I'll handle it well, because my T3 is on the low

normal end of the range, has been for the last few years and I have had " chronic

fatigue " for the last few years. Keeping my fingers crossed.

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> I have not found ANY place I would recommend for treatment. It seems every

> time I think someone knows their stuff they do something stoopid so I no

> longer recommend.

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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From what I've been reading,high cortisol,like I myself have,long

story,is putting more of a strain on the adrenals,and putting the person

on an additional type cortisol,gluticocid? Is a way of resting the

adrenals?? So they don't burn out? I'm still trying to learn/study

this.,I also had been trying in the past,to lower my cortisol with the

recommended supplements,but now I'm wondering if this might infact be a

bad,counter productive thing,or way of doing it??? To high cortisol

isn't a healthy thing,and in my case seems to be surpressing my immune

system,as well as adding to my osteoperosis,but now with my possible new

diagnoses of locah,and how its treated,is a whole different confusing

ball game!! To say the least! Locah= late onset congenital adrenal

hypoplasia,sp? Deb

--aliano

[Guest guest]

From what I've been reading,high cortisol,like I myself have,long

story,is putting more of a strain on the adrenals,and putting the person

on an additional type cortisol,gluticocid? Is a way of resting the

adrenals?? So they don't burn out? I'm still trying to learn/study

this.,I also had been trying in the past,to lower my cortisol with the

recommended supplements,but now I'm wondering if this might infact be a

bad,counter productive thing,or way of doing it??? To high cortisol

isn't a healthy thing,and in my case seems to be surpressing my immune

system,as well as adding to my osteoperosis,but now with my possible new

diagnoses of locah,and how its treated,is a whole different confusing

ball game!! To say the least! Locah= late onset congenital adrenal

hypoplasia,sp? Deb

--aliano

[Guest guest]

It is confusing, I'm still pretty confused and have to see how this goes. I do

still feel tired and a little spacey on the cortisol, but part of what cortisol

does is suppress your own cortisol. I would like to learn more about it. My

naturopath recommended the book " safe uses of cortisol " by Jeffries. I am

unemployed though and it's not a cheap book! So that may have to wait. I am

just hoping that taking cortisol will shut mine down a little. Don't know if

this will work or not. Another way IS by reducing your cortisol through

phosphitydl serine PS for short, melatonin at night, no caffeine etc. I have

tried that and reduced it a bit but still pretty high. Of course I couldnt take

PS throughout the day it just made me too tired so took a high dose at night

before bed. Just waiting for the T3 to arrive - hopefully on Friday!

>

> From what I've been reading,high cortisol,like I myself have,long

> story,is putting more of a strain on the adrenals,and putting the person

> on an additional type cortisol,gluticocid? Is a way of resting the

> adrenals?? So they don't burn out? I'm still trying to learn/study

> this.,I also had been trying in the past,to lower my cortisol with the

> recommended supplements,but now I'm wondering if this might infact be a

> bad,counter productive thing,or way of doing it??? To high cortisol

> isn't a healthy thing,and in my case seems to be surpressing my immune

> system,as well as adding to my osteoperosis,but now with my possible new

> diagnoses of locah,and how its treated,is a whole different confusing

> ball game!! To say the least! Locah= late onset congenital adrenal

> hypoplasia,sp? Deb

> --aliano

>

[Guest guest]

It is confusing, I'm still pretty confused and have to see how this goes. I do

still feel tired and a little spacey on the cortisol, but part of what cortisol

does is suppress your own cortisol. I would like to learn more about it. My

naturopath recommended the book " safe uses of cortisol " by Jeffries. I am

unemployed though and it's not a cheap book! So that may have to wait. I am

just hoping that taking cortisol will shut mine down a little. Don't know if

this will work or not. Another way IS by reducing your cortisol through

phosphitydl serine PS for short, melatonin at night, no caffeine etc. I have

tried that and reduced it a bit but still pretty high. Of course I couldnt take

PS throughout the day it just made me too tired so took a high dose at night

before bed. Just waiting for the T3 to arrive - hopefully on Friday!

>

> From what I've been reading,high cortisol,like I myself have,long

> story,is putting more of a strain on the adrenals,and putting the person

> on an additional type cortisol,gluticocid? Is a way of resting the

> adrenals?? So they don't burn out? I'm still trying to learn/study

> this.,I also had been trying in the past,to lower my cortisol with the

> recommended supplements,but now I'm wondering if this might infact be a

> bad,counter productive thing,or way of doing it??? To high cortisol

> isn't a healthy thing,and in my case seems to be surpressing my immune

> system,as well as adding to my osteoperosis,but now with my possible new

> diagnoses of locah,and how its treated,is a whole different confusing

> ball game!! To say the least! Locah= late onset congenital adrenal

> hypoplasia,sp? Deb

> --aliano

>

[Guest guest]

Have you also tried Zinc and DHEA? Both are said to help lower cortiosl

and calm the HPA.

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[Guest guest]

Have you also tried Zinc and DHEA? Both are said to help lower cortiosl

and calm the HPA.

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I have taken zinc on and off in the past, but actually just got a good acqueous

zine - liquid which tastes like water if your zinc is too low and tastes like

horrible metal if you have enough zinc. Right now it's like water with a very

slight taste to it for me. So I know I need to keep taking it. I haven't tried

DHEA but my DHEA levels in the saliva test weren't low. I don't know if I can

continue this though because I am not feeling great on the cortisol, it's been

over a week, and breaking out a lot too from it.

Moon

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> Have you also tried Zinc and DHEA? Both are said to help lower cortiosl

> and calm the HPA.

>

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

I have taken zinc on and off in the past, but actually just got a good acqueous

zine - liquid which tastes like water if your zinc is too low and tastes like

horrible metal if you have enough zinc. Right now it's like water with a very

slight taste to it for me. So I know I need to keep taking it. I haven't tried

DHEA but my DHEA levels in the saliva test weren't low. I don't know if I can

continue this though because I am not feeling great on the cortisol, it's been

over a week, and breaking out a lot too from it.

Moon

>

> Have you also tried Zinc and DHEA? Both are said to help lower cortiosl

> and calm the HPA.

>

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

I have taken zinc on and off in the past, but actually just got a good acqueous

zine - liquid which tastes like water if your zinc is too low and tastes like

horrible metal if you have enough zinc. Right now it's like water with a very

slight taste to it for me. So I know I need to keep taking it. I haven't tried

DHEA but my DHEA levels in the saliva test weren't low. I don't know if I can

continue this though because I am not feeling great on the cortisol, it's been

over a week, and breaking out a lot too from it.

Moon

>

> Have you also tried Zinc and DHEA? Both are said to help lower cortiosl

> and calm the HPA.

>

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>

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what brand of zinc?

Subject: Re: Cortisol dosing question/high cortisolTo: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 7:17 PM

I have taken zinc on and off in the past, but actually just got a good acqueous zine - liquid which tastes like water if your zinc is too low and tastes like horrible metal if you have enough zinc. Right now it's like water with a very slight taste to it for me. So I know I need to keep taking it. I haven't tried DHEA but my DHEA levels in the saliva test weren't low. I don't know if I can continue this though because I am not feeling great on the cortisol, it's been over a week, and breaking out a lot too from it. Moon>> Have you also tried Zinc and DHEA? Both are said to help lower cortiosl > and calm the HPA.> > -- >

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I am very low on zinc and have recently added in supplements. I have low

cortisol and am taking Cortef - will the zinc work against the Cortef?

Thanks for your help,

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> Have you also tried Zinc and DHEA? Both are said to help lower cortiosl

> and calm the HPA.

>

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I really don't know how much lowering effect it would have to take Zinc

whne you are low in it. I think the cortisllowering effects would be

taking zinc whne you already have sufficient.

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[Guest guest]

That makes sense. Thanks, Val. :-)

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> I really don't know how much lowering effect it would have to take Zinc

> whne you are low in it. I think the cortisllowering effects would be

> taking zinc whne you already have sufficient.

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