Guest guest Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 My kids liked taking it. I have them off it now, as my son cannot seem to tolerate any b12 and my daughter gets some in her SNT. But probably will start my daughter back on it, since she tolerated it pretty well. --- ToniTo: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 9:36:25 AMSubject: sublingual B12 and B6 , Belated thanks for your advice. We have an upcoming appointment with our DAN and we will talk about removing fructose. We are on SCD with him and they allow pear sauce, which would be high on fructose, I believe. I also wanted to ask a general question to the group. MB12 shots have proven to be very stressful for us and our DAN has suggested a sublingual form of B12 and B6 (he is low on both of them) that is going to be dissolved under his tongue in a few seconds. Does anyone have any experience with this? Could you advice on effectiveness of taking B6 and B12 in this manner? Many thanks in advance. Cetin > > > have you also looked into fructose malabsorption, as that two is a big issue with dysbiosis and gut function. both myself and my son tested positive and it is amazing the difference removing fructose from the diet has done. the behavioural changes have been unbelieveable in myself and my son. > i was told that by my Dr that the b12 helps the liver in the detox process, and due to the high toxicity we have due to lack of gut/bowel function the liver can get over loaded, milk thistle will help the liver, but the b12 helps with the detox process, amongst other things, the hydroxy, which we are are on also helps the CNS. hence the experience of less sensory issues > > > > > > To: mb12 valtrex > From: cetinciner@... > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:01:58 +0000 > Subject: advice on test results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > We got our son's urine test results from Genova Diagnostics and we would really appreciate if anyone could offer suggestions on them especially since we are meeting with his doctor tomorrow. > > > > - Need for antioxidants and minerals: very high > > > > Any particular suggestion how address these? > > > > - Need for B-vitamins: very high (both B6 and B12) > > > > We applied MB12 shots for more than a year and in the previous report it showed that he didn't need anymore. To give it a trial and because it was getting stressful, we stopped the shots. The need immediately came back. How can we address B6 though? > > > > - GI Dysfunction: very high (yeast/fungal dysbiosis, bacterial dysbiosis, protein malabsorption) > > > > He is on strict SCD diet and has been eating wonderfully; however, he doesn't seem to be able to digest any of it. > > > > - Detoxification dysfunction: also high > > > > It is interesting how his neurotransmitter imbalance became bad after stopping MB12 shots. Oxidative stress is always high for him. > > > > Thank you for reading so far. On a different note, although his results are worse in this test, he has been sleeping well (knock on wood) and academically, he is doing also well. > > > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > > > Chet > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Çetin Bey, Sizle tanışmıyor olsak da Türkiyeli olduğunuzu düşünerek yazma gereği hissettim. Bazen bazı çocuklarda suox ya da cbs gen mutasyonları bulunduğu için metil B-12 hatta diğer metil donörler kullanmak da ters tepebiliyor. Benim oğlum da bunu yaşayarak gördüm.Huysuzluk, uykusuzluk,öfke gibi sorunlara yol açıyordu. Sadece Metil B-12 değil aynı zaman da magnezyum sulfatı, SAMe ve benzerlerini de tolare edemeyebiliyorlar. Genetiğine baktıktan sonra hidroksy B-12, siyano kobalamin ve adenosyl B-12 gibi versiyonları ile takviye ederek vücudun kendi metil B-12 sini üretmesini destekleyip sorunu aştık. Başka mutasyonları da varsa onları da ayrıca değerlendirmek, neyi,nasıl ,ne zaman vermeliyiz diye plan yaptık. Bu uygulama 6-7 ayda ciddi ilerlemeler kaydetmemizi sağladı . Kolay gelsin. Serpil To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 4:36:25 PMSubject: sublingual B12 and B6, Belated thanks for your advice. We have an upcoming appointment with our DAN and we will talk about removing fructose. We are on SCD with him and they allow pear sauce, which would be high on fructose, I believe.I also wanted to ask a general question to the group. MB12 shots have proven to be very stressful for us and our DAN has suggested a sublingual form of B12 and B6 (he is low on both of them) that is going to be dissolved under his tongue in a few seconds.Does anyone have any experience with this? Could you advice on effectiveness of taking B6 and B12 in this manner?Many thanks in advance.Cetin>> > have you also looked into fructose malabsorption, as that two is a big issue with dysbiosis and gut function. both myself and my son tested positive and it is amazing the difference removing fructose from the diet has done. the behavioural changes have been unbelieveable in myself and my son.> i was told that by my Dr that the b12 helps the liver in the detox process, and due to the high toxicity we have due to lack of gut/bowel function the liver can get over loaded, milk thistle will help the liver, but the b12 helps with the detox process, amongst other things, the hydroxy, which we are are on also helps the CNS. hence the experience of less sensory issues> > > > > > To: mb12 valtrex > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:01:58 +0000> Subject: advice on test results> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone,> > > > We got our son's urine test results from Genova Diagnostics and we would really appreciate if anyone could offer suggestions on them especially since we are meeting with his doctor tomorrow.> > > > - Need for antioxidants and minerals: very high> > > > Any particular suggestion how address these?> > > > - Need for B-vitamins: very high (both B6 and B12)> > > > We applied MB12 shots for more than a year and in the previous report it showed that he didn't need anymore. To give it a trial and because it was getting stressful, we stopped the shots. The need immediately came back. How can we address B6 though?> > > > - GI Dysfunction: very high (yeast/fungal dysbiosis, bacterial dysbiosis, protein malabsorption)> > > > He is on strict SCD diet and has been eating wonderfully; however, he doesn't seem to be able to digest any of it.> > > > - Detoxification dysfunction: also high> > > > It is interesting how his neurotransmitter imbalance became bad after stopping MB12 shots. Oxidative stress is always high for him.> > > > Thank you for reading so far. On a different note, although his results are worse in this test, he has been sleeping well (knock on wood) and academically, he is doing also well.> > > > Thanks in advance for any help.> > > > Chet>------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Thanks, Toni. What is the brand name you are using for this? Our son also has high need for antioxidants. Can that be included in sublingual form, too? Cetin > > > > > > have you also looked into fructose malabsorption, as that two is a big issue > >with dysbiosis and gut function. both myself and my son tested positive and it > >is amazing the difference removing fructose from the diet has done. the > >behavioural changes have been unbelieveable in myself and my son. > > i was told that by my Dr that the b12 helps the liver in the detox process, and > >due to the high toxicity we have due to lack of gut/bowel function the liver can > >get over loaded, milk thistle will help the liver, but the b12 helps with the > >detox process, amongst other things, the hydroxy, which we are are on also helps > >the CNS. hence the experience of less sensory issues > > > > > > > > > > > > To: mb12 valtrex > > From: cetinciner@ > > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:01:58 +0000 > > Subject: advice on test results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > We got our son's urine test results from Genova Diagnostics and we would really > >appreciate if anyone could offer suggestions on them especially since we are > >meeting with his doctor tomorrow. > > > > > > > > - Need for antioxidants and minerals: very high > > > > > > > > Any particular suggestion how address these? > > > > > > > > - Need for B-vitamins: very high (both B6 and B12) > > > > > > > > We applied MB12 shots for more than a year and in the previous report it showed > >that he didn't need anymore. To give it a trial and because it was getting > >stressful, we stopped the shots. The need immediately came back. How can we > >address B6 though? > > > > > > > > - GI Dysfunction: very high (yeast/fungal dysbiosis, bacterial dysbiosis, > >protein malabsorption) > > > > > > > > He is on strict SCD diet and has been eating wonderfully; however, he doesn't > >seem to be able to digest any of it. > > > > > > > > - Detoxification dysfunction: also high > > > > > > > > It is interesting how his neurotransmitter imbalance became bad after stopping > >MB12 shots. Oxidative stress is always high for him. > > > > > > > > Thank you for reading so far. On a different note, although his results are > >worse in this test, he has been sleeping well (knock on wood) and academically, > >he is doing also well. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > > > > > > > Chet > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 I have to tell you, I have been very please w/B12 in a transdermal gel (skin creme). No stress involved. CGF > > > > ________________________________ > > From: cetinciner <cetinciner@> > > Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 9:36:25 AM > > .... > > > > I also wanted to ask a general question to the group. MB12 shots have proven to be very stressful for us and our DAN has suggested a sublingual form of B12 and B6 (he is low on both of them) that is going to be dissolved under his tongue in a few seconds. > > > > Does anyone have any experience with this? Could you advice on effectiveness of taking B6 and B12 in this manner? > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > Cetin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Thanks very much. So that it may be beneficial for some other families, we decided to go with transdermal cream containing both B12 and B6, from Coastal Compounding in Atlanta. We will also get gluthotiane for his oxidative stress and LDN for his immune system boost from the same pharmacy. They will prepare 2-month prescriptions in one shipment, which is pretty good. We are still thinking about what to do for anti-oxidant needs? Does anyone have a suggestion? Chet > > I have to tell you, I have been very please w/B12 in a transdermal gel (skin creme). No stress involved. > CGF > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: cetinciner <cetinciner@> > > > Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 9:36:25 AM > > > > ... > > > > > > I also wanted to ask a general question to the group. MB12 shots have proven to be very stressful for us and our DAN has suggested a sublingual form of B12 and B6 (he is low on both of them) that is going to be dissolved under his tongue in a few seconds. > > > > > > Does anyone have any experience with this? Could you advice on effectiveness of taking B6 and B12 in this manner? > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > Cetin... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Thanks very much. So that it may be beneficial for some other families, we decided to go with transdermal cream containing both B12 and B6, from Coastal Compounding in Atlanta. We will also get gluthotiane for his oxidative stress and LDN for his immune system boost from the same pharmacy. They will prepare 2-month prescriptions in one shipment, which is pretty good. We are still thinking about what to do for anti-oxidant needs? Does anyone have a suggestion? Chet > > I have to tell you, I have been very please w/B12 in a transdermal gel (skin creme). No stress involved. > CGF > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: cetinciner <cetinciner@> > > > Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 9:36:25 AM > > > > ... > > > > > > I also wanted to ask a general question to the group. MB12 shots have proven to be very stressful for us and our DAN has suggested a sublingual form of B12 and B6 (he is low on both of them) that is going to be dissolved under his tongue in a few seconds. > > > > > > Does anyone have any experience with this? Could you advice on effectiveness of taking B6 and B12 in this manner? > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > Cetin... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Thanks very much. So that it may be beneficial for some other families, we decided to go with transdermal cream containing both B12 and B6, from Coastal Compounding in Atlanta. We will also get gluthotiane for his oxidative stress and LDN for his immune system boost from the same pharmacy. They will prepare 2-month prescriptions in one shipment, which is pretty good. We are still thinking about what to do for anti-oxidant needs? Does anyone have a suggestion? Chet > > I have to tell you, I have been very please w/B12 in a transdermal gel (skin creme). No stress involved. > CGF > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: cetinciner <cetinciner@> > > > Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 9:36:25 AM > > > > ... > > > > > > I also wanted to ask a general question to the group. MB12 shots have proven to be very stressful for us and our DAN has suggested a sublingual form of B12 and B6 (he is low on both of them) that is going to be dissolved under his tongue in a few seconds. > > > > > > Does anyone have any experience with this? Could you advice on effectiveness of taking B6 and B12 in this manner? > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > Cetin... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Our DAN sells us "Nourish Life Speak" vitamin E in a gel cap form, supposedly it's a great antioxidant... We are all her patients take it 4#s per day but we only manage to take 3 per day. Hope someone else may have some other suggestions to help you From: cetinciner ; To: <mb12 valtrex >; Subject: Re: sublingual B12 and B6 Sent: Mon, Oct 4, 2010 4:22:33 PM Thanks very much. So that it may be beneficial for some other families, we decided to go with transdermal cream containing both B12 and B6, from Coastal Compounding in Atlanta. We will also get gluthotiane for his oxidative stress and LDN for his immune system boost from the same pharmacy. They will prepare 2-month prescriptions in one shipment, which is pretty good. We are still thinking about what to do for anti-oxidant needs? Does anyone have a suggestion? Chet > > I have to tell you, I have been very please w/B12 in a transdermal gel (skin creme). No stress involved. > CGF > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: cetinciner <cetinciner@> > > > Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 9:36:25 AM > > > > ... > > > > > > I also wanted to ask a general question to the group. MB12 shots have proven to be very stressful for us and our DAN has suggested a sublingual form of B12 and B6 (he is low on both of them) that is going to be dissolved under his tongue in a few seconds. > > > > > > Does anyone have any experience with this? Could you advice on effectiveness of taking B6 and B12 in this manner? > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > Cetin... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Just a quick comment on transdermal creams... Our pharmacist gives us ours in 2 week doses (very conservative, for sure) b/c her understanding is that glutathione and LDN are not as stable and degrade over time. She thinks a 30 day supply would be okay but I know she wouldn't advise 2 months prepped at once. Maybe if you keep it in the fridge that helps it? - Kati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Thanks for this comment. I will call Coastal Comp. and ask them again, but they were pretty adamant that it was fine. > > Just a quick comment on transdermal creams... Our pharmacist gives us > ours in 2 week doses (very conservative, for sure) b/c her > understanding is that glutathione and LDN are not as stable and > degrade over time. She thinks a 30 day supply would be okay but I > know she wouldn't advise 2 months prepped at once. Maybe if you keep > it in the fridge that helps it? > > - Kati > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Thanks very much for this suggestion. > > Our DAN sells us " Nourish Life Speak " vitamin E in a gel cap form, supposedly it & #39;s a great antioxidant... We are all her patients take it 4#s per day but we only manage to take 3 per day. > > Hope someone else may have some other suggestions to help you > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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