Re: Oh Well

December 23, 2003

FROM THE SUBLIME TO THE RIDICULOUS !!!!!!!

NEXT: SOMEONE WILL BE OFFENDED BY A CLOTHESLINE DRYING UNDERGARMENTS THAT CAN

BE SEEN FROM THE STREET ! IT'LL PROBABLY BE SOME GUY SEEING SOMEONE'S

SPEEDO--BUT IF HE WORE IT---- IT WOULD BE A WEDGY----YUCK !

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:55:39 -0600

>

>Suburban Firefighters Ordered To Un-Deck The Halls

>

>Village Officials Received Calls Protesting Decorations

>

>UPDATED: 10:56 AM CST December 23, 2003

>

>CHICAGO -- Firefighters in Glenview have been told to take down their indoor

>Christmas decorations because some residents complained that they were

>offensive. The decorations include lights, a Christmas tree and a Santa

>Claus. They are inside the firefighters' main living area, but can be seen

>from the street.

>

>Glenview Village President Larry Carlson said he was disappointed that the

>firefighters had to take down the decorations. Carlson noted, however, that

>the village has a policy of not decorating any public buildings.

>

> " Under the Supreme Court, the policy is basically all or nothing. You either

>let everybody come in or you have none, and it's been a long-standing

>village policy that we go under none. "

>

>A Glenview spokeswoman says the village has received calls from residents

>who were not happy seeing what they perceived to be Christmas or Christian

>decorations on a firehouse.

>

>The firefighters had decorated the outside of the station earlier in the

>season, but a resident complained to village officials that the decorations

>violated the separation of church and state doctrine. NBC5's

> <http://www.nbc5.com/nbc5/1189054/detail.html> reported that no

>one she spoke with was offended by the decorations. The responses were, in

>fact, quite the opposite.

>

> " I think it's ridiculous, " said one woman. " I just told you this is

>nonsense. It's just absolutely crazy. "

>

December 24, 2003

This is offensive and insane. The inmates are running the asylum!

Maxine Pate

----- Original Message -----

From: Bledsoe

Suburban Firefighters Ordered To Un-Deck The Halls

December 24, 2003

AMEN

Re: Oh Well

This is offensive and insane. The inmates are running the asylum!

Maxine Pate

----- Original Message -----

From: Bledsoe

Suburban Firefighters Ordered To Un-Deck The Halls

December 28, 2003

Next they will remove In God we trust form our money. sorry but I just fell

like we are being demonized the principles America was founded on were

Christian and it should stay that way if you don't like it leave need a one

way ticket.

Re: Oh Well

>

> This is offensive and insane. The inmates are running the asylum!

>

> Maxine Pate

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Bledsoe

>

> Suburban Firefighters Ordered To Un-Deck The Halls

>

December 28, 2003

And for those who tell us to leave, be careful who you ask to leave - you

might be surprised by who takes you up on the offer.

Dare I even start listing the people we'd be without if you tell all of the

non-Christians to leave?

Might as well start with a couple. You'd have lost Albert Einstein and Jonas

Salk.

Hope you enjoyed watching the Nazis beat us to the atomic bomb. How's your

polio as well?

-Wes Ogilvie

December 28, 2003

I am going to weigh in on this issue. Seperation of Church and State was not

to establish a predominat religion. But to allow all religions to flourish.

I am christian. However if you wish to put your Menorah next to my Cross in

the fire station please do so. If Kawanza wants to put up their decorations

and symbols. Please do so. Also tell me about it. Who are you and what do

you believe? And why? This is the reason for freedom. By abolishing all

religons from public we promote atheism. And I dont think that is right.

Tom LeNeveu

December 28, 2003

You totally blew a decent response when you stooped to " Educate yourself

outside of the trailer park before you begin to post. " . Different opinons do

not, ever, say anything about education level, or living circumstances.

Otherwise I might think yours was extremely lacking.

Just as a little education for you, the country was founded with a thought

towards freedon OF religion, not a freedom FROM religion....however, nobody

said anybody HAD to be religious. The problem is that the pendulum has swung

way too far to the other side, where the ONLY acceptable form of persecution

left in the United States is christians. Nobody here saod anything about

persecuting other religions...you made that up. It is exactly the

INTOLERANCE against anything christian that drives thinking like those that

have been posted. Is it too much to ask the vast minority to simply stand

there for a few seconds while the majority has a prayer of safety before a

football game? Is it THAT offensive to have the local FD decorated for

christmas, when the vast majority celebrates christmas?

I'll find you the part in the constitution where it says the country was

founded on religion when you find me the part about separation of church and

state.

magnetass sends

Re: Oh Well

> > >

> > > This is offensive and insane. The inmates are running the asylum!

> > >

> > > Maxine Pate

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: Bledsoe

> > >

> > > Suburban Firefighters Ordered To Un-Deck The Halls

> > >

December 28, 2003

Then why did you?????

Re: Re: Oh Well

I swore I wasn't going to do it, but......

So where in the constitution does it give us the right to " bear Christmas

lights " ?

Where is it in the constitution that states that this country was founded on

Christianity?

According to your archaic, Salem witch hunt type of narrow minded thinking,

what happens to the Muslims and the Jews, the Mormons and the Jehovah

Witness's, not to mention everyone else who practices a religion other than

Christianity? On that note, what sect of Christianity is the right one? What

happens to all others?

I am asked to tolerate Christianity, but no one has to practice tolerance of

of any religion other than Christianity?

After years of persecution, is it really necessary to continue the

degradation or

defamation of anyone who carries a belief other than yours?

Can you convince me that the moral and ethical decay of todays society is in

direct

correlation with the removal of prayer at public school? Seems to me that it

should have strengthened the prayer at home, did it? Not just " Now I lay me

down to sleep...... " but real prayer? Do you teach religion to your children

or do you just wait for Sunday so you go go to church and let them " insert

religous leader here " teach

them everything they need to know in an hour? Do you teach them about

freedom of religion, or are their only views on it based upon what they see

from you when yet another of your 'liberties' are stolen from you, never

mind that you didn't do anything to fight for that liberty, but it was taken

from you by G** and your pissed!!! Have you

asked to put the 10 Statements in your local " insert building here " ? Or do

you just moan and complain when they are taken from a courthouse in Alabama?

Do you pray with your children before and after a football game? Do you pray

silently with them at the game? Or do you just moan and complain because

someone else can't say one over the loudspeaker?

Want to really do something for religous liberty? Defend my right to have

Yom Kippur off as a holiday instead of Easter.

This is the very reason that I said, " use caution when posting subjects that

are of strong emotional content " .

" Better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you to be a fool,

than to open your mouth and remove all doubt "

Educate yourself outside of the trailer park before you begin to post.

Mike

Re: Oh Well

> >

> > This is offensive and insane. The inmates are running the asylum!

> >

> > Maxine Pate

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Bledsoe

> >

> > Suburban Firefighters Ordered To Un-Deck The Halls

> >

December 28, 2003

Let's talk about something else. How do yall feel about guns on ambulances and

only Licsensed Paramedics being able to carry them. :>)

Ken

Re: Oh Well

> I am going to weigh in on this issue. Seperation of Church and State was not

> to establish a predominat religion. But to allow all religions to flourish.

> I am christian. However if you wish to put your Menorah next to my Cross in

> the fire station please do so. If Kawanza wants to put up their decorations

> and symbols. Please do so. Also tell me about it. Who are you and what do

> you believe? And why? This is the reason for freedom. By abolishing all

> religons from public we promote atheism. And I dont think that is right.

>

> Tom LeNeveu

>

December 28, 2003

Cool!!!

Moseley, LP

Re: Oh Well

>

> > I am going to weigh in on this issue. Seperation of Church and State

was not

> > to establish a predominat religion. But to allow all religions to

flourish.

> > I am christian. However if you wish to put your Menorah next to my

Cross in

> > the fire station please do so. If Kawanza wants to put up their

decorations

> > and symbols. Please do so. Also tell me about it. Who are you and

what do

> > you believe? And why? This is the reason for freedom. By abolishing

all

> > religons from public we promote atheism. And I dont think that is

right.

> >

> > Tom LeNeveu

> >

December 28, 2003

Hatfield (Home) wrote:

>

> I am asked to tolerate Christianity, but no one has to practice tolerance of

> of any religion other than Christianity?

They will say they do, but they lie. Those same people would be the

first to scream bloody murder if the local firehall put up loudspeakers

to lead Muslim prayers at dawn.

Rob

December 29, 2003

Very good point. The pilgrims came here for freedom FROM religion not

freedom OF religion. It's a fine line....

B. , LP

Re: Re: Oh Well

I swore I wasn't going to do it, but......

So where in the constitution does it give us the right to " bear

Christmas

lights " ?

Where is it in the constitution that states that this country was

founded on

Christianity?

According to your archaic, Salem witch hunt type of narrow minded

thinking,

what happens to the Muslims and the Jews, the Mormons and the Jehovah

Witness's, not to mention everyone else who practices a religion other

than

Christianity? On that note, what sect of Christianity is the right one?

What

happens to all others?

I am asked to tolerate Christianity, but no one has to practice

tolerance of

of any religion other than Christianity?

After years of persecution, is it really necessary to continue the

degradation or

defamation of anyone who carries a belief other than yours?

Can you convince me that the moral and ethical decay of todays society

is in

direct

correlation with the removal of prayer at public school? Seems to me

that it

should have strengthened the prayer at home, did it? Not just " Now I lay

me

down to sleep...... " but real prayer? Do you teach religion to your

children

or do you just wait for Sunday so you go go to church and let them

" insert

religous leader here " teach

them everything they need to know in an hour? Do you teach them about

freedom of religion, or are their only views on it based upon what they

see

from you when yet another of your 'liberties' are stolen from you, never

mind that you didn't do anything to fight for that liberty, but it was

taken

from you by G** and your pissed!!! Have you

asked to put the 10 Statements in your local " insert building here " ? Or

do

you just moan and complain when they are taken from a courthouse in

Alabama?

Do you pray with your children before and after a football game? Do you

pray

silently with them at the game? Or do you just moan and complain because

someone else can't say one over the loudspeaker?

Want to really do something for religous liberty? Defend my right to

have

Yom Kippur off as a holiday instead of Easter.

This is the very reason that I said, " use caution when posting subjects

that

are of strong emotional content " .

" Better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you to be a fool,

than to open your mouth and remove all doubt "

Educate yourself outside of the trailer park before you begin to post.

Mike

Re: Oh Well

> >

> > This is offensive and insane. The inmates are running the asylum!

> >

> > Maxine Pate

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Bledsoe

> >

> > Suburban Firefighters Ordered To Un-Deck The Halls

> >

December 29, 2003

Let us stop the Jihad and get back to ambulance driving.

Bledsoe Chapter 3, Verse 2, Line 27

Re: Oh Well

We Believe In Jesus

We are presenting this not to placate you out of policy or diplomacy.

We are only articulating what our Creator had commanded us in the

Noble Qur'an (Which is translated as follows);

" Say (O Muslim), " We believe in Allah and that which has been sent

down to us and that which has been sent down to Abraham (Abraham),

Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (), and to Al-Asbat

[the twelve sons of Ya'cub ()], and that which has been given to

Musa (Moses) and `Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the

Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them,

and to Him we have submitted (in Islam) " . [Chapter 2: verse 136]

As Muslims we have no choice. We had said in many words:

" WE BELIEVE IN ONE CREATOR, WE BELIEVE IN ALL HIS PROPHETS, WE

BELIEVE, THAT JESUS (peace be upon him) WAS ONE OF THE MIGHTIEST

PROPHETS OF GOD, THAT HE WAS THE MESSIAH AS WELL AS THE WORD OF GOD,

THAT HE WAS BORN MIRACULOUSLY- WITHOUT ANY MALE INTERVENTION (which

many modern-day Christians do not believe today) , THAT HE GAVE LIFE

TO THE DEAD BY GOD'S PERMISSION, AND THAT HE HEALED THOSE BORN BLIND

AND THE LEPERS BY GOD'S PERMISSION. "

Islam respects all religions. Nevertheless, Muslims consider the view

of Christendom to be a misguided one. The Noble Qur'an highlights the

important aspects of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) mother, his birth, his

mission and his ascension to heaven.

VIRGIN MARY:

Story of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) in the Noble Qur'an starts with

the conception of his mother, , when the wife of Imran, 's

mother, vowed to dedicate her child to the service of God in the

temple. This is mentioned in the following verses (Which is

translated as follows);

" (Remember) when the wife of `Imran said: " O my Lord! I have vowed to

You what (the child that) is in my womb to be dedicated for Your

services (free from all worldly work; to serve Your place of

worship), so accept this, from me. Verily, You are the All-Hearer,

the All-Knowing " " Then when she delivered her child [am ()],

she said: " O my Lord! I have delivered a female child, " -- and Allah

knew better what she delivered, -- " And the male is not like the

female, and I have named her am (), and I seek refuge with

You (Allah) for her and for her offspring from Shaitan (Satan), the

outcast. " " So her Lord (Allah) accepted her with goodly acceptance,

He made her grow in a good manner and put her under the care of

Zakariya (Zachariya). Every time he entered Al-Mihrab (a praying

place or private room) to (visit) her, he found her supplied with

sustenance. He said: " O am ()! from where have you got this? "

She said " This is from Allah " Verily, Allah provides sustenance to

whom He wills, without limit " [Chapter 3: verses 35-37]

The Noble Qur'an stated also that the Almighty Allah chose ,

purified her and raised her above all other women of the world. This

is mentioned in the following verses (Which is translated as

follows);

" And (remember) when the angels said: " O am ()! Verily, Allah

has chosen you, purified you (from polytheism and disbelief), and

chosen you above the women of the `Alamin (Mankind and Jinns) (of her

lifetime) " , " O ! " Submit yourself with obedience to your Lord

(Allah, by worshipping none but Him Alone) and prostrate yourself,

and Irkai (bow down etc.) along with Ar-Raki'un (those who bow etc.) "

[Chapter 3: verses 42-43]

MIRACULOUS BIRTH OF JESUS (Peace Be Upon Him):

Concerning the birth of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him), Allah says thru

chapter in the Noble Qur'an (Which is translated as follows);

" And mention in the Book (The Qur'an, O Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him),

the story of) am (), when she withdrew in seclusion from her

family to a place facing east " ,

" She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to

her Our Ruh [angel Jibrael ()], and he appeared before her in

the form of a man in all respects " ,

" She said: " Verily! I seek refuge with the Most Beneficent (Allah)

from you, if you do fear Allah " ,

" (The angel) said: " I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to

announce) to you the gift of a righteous son " ,

" She said: " How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am

I unchaste? " ,

" He said: " So (it will be), your Lord said: `That is easy for Me

(Allah): And (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a

mercy from Us (Allah), and it is a matter (already) decreed, (by

Allah) " ,

" So she conceived him, and she withdrew him to a far place (i.e.

Bethlehem valley about 4-6 miles from Jerusalem) " , " And the pains of

childbirth drove her to the trunk of the date-palm. She said: " Would

that I had died before this, and had been forgotten and out of

sight! " ,

" Then [the babe `Iesa (Jesus) cried unto her from below her,

saying: " Grieve not! Your Lord has provided a water stream under

you " ,

" And shake the trunk of date-palm towards you, it will let fall fresh

ripe dates upon you " , " So eat and drink and be glad, and if you see

any human being, say: `Verily! I have vowed a fast unto the Most

Beneficent (Allah) so I shall not speak to any human being this day " ,

" Then she brought him (the baby) to her people, carrying him. They

said: " O ! Indeed you have brought a thing Fariya (an unheard

mighty thing) " , " O sister (i.e. the like) of Harun () [not the

brother of Musa (Moses), but he was another pious man at the time of

am ()]! Your father was not a man who used to commit

adultery, nor your mother was an unchaste woman " ,

" Then she pointed to him. They said: " How can we talk to one who is a

child in the cradle? " ,

" He [`Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given

me the Scripture and made me a Prophet " , " And He has made me blessed

wherever I be, and has enjoined on me Salat (prayer), and Zakat

(charity), as long as I live. " " And dutiful to my mother, and made me

not arrogant, unblest " , " And Salam (peace) be upon me the day I was

born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive! " ,

" Such is `Iesa (Jesus), son of am (). (It is) a statement of

truth, about which they doubt (or dispute) " ,

" It befits not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son

[this refers to the slander of Christians against Allah, by saying

that `Iesa (Jesus) is the son of Allah]. Glorified (and Exalted be He

above all that they associate with Him). When He decrees a thing, He

only says to it, " Be! " --- and it is " ,

[`Iesa (Jesus) said]: " And verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So

worship Him (Alone). That is the Straight Path. (Allah's Religion of

Islamic Monotheism which He did ordain for all of His Prophets) " .

[Chapter 19: verses 16-36]

JESUS (Peace Be Upon Him) THE SON OF MARY:

The Church maintains that Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) is the " Only-

begotten Son " of God, and also God Himself, since the doctrine of

Trinity considers God as the Son, as the Father and as the " Holy

Ghost " all at the same time! Catholics further emphasize the divinity

of as the " Mother of God " . Islam rejects all these concepts in

totality. Allah says in the Noble Qur'an (Which is translated as

follows);

" Surely, they have disbelieved who say: " Allah is the Messiah [`Iesa

(Jesus)], son of am () " , But the Messiah [`Iesa (Jesus)]

said; " O Children of Israel! worship Allah, My Lord and your Lord. "

" Verily, whosoever setup partners in worship with Allah, then Allah

has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And

for the Polytheist and wrong-doers there are no helpers " ,

" Surely, disbelievers are those who said: " Allah is the third of the

three (in a Trinity) " , But there is no Ilah (God) (none who has the

right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God --- Allah). And if they

cease not from what they say, verily, painful torment will befall the

disbelievers among them " ,

" Will they not repent to Allah and ask His forgiveness? For Allah is

Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful " , " The Messiah [`Iesa (Jesus)], son of

am (), was no more than a Messenger; Many were the Messengers

that passed away before him. His mother [am ()] was a

Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allah and His Books].

They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allah

does not eat). Look how We make the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses,

lesson, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they

are deluded away (from the truth) " .

[Chapter 5: verses 72-75 ]

The Muslims rather contend that the miraculous birth of Jesus (Peace

Be Upon Him) without a father does not make him a God or a " begotten "

son of God. Allah said in the Noble Qur'an (Which is translated as

follows);

" And they (Jews, Christians and pagans) say: Allah has begotten a son

(Children or offspring). Glory be to Him (Exalted be He above all

that they associate with Him). Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the

heavens and on earth, and all surrender with obedience (in worship)

to Him " , " The Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He

decrees a matter, He only says to it: " Be! " and it is " . [Chapter 2:

verses 116-17]

Further Allah says in the Noble Qur'an (Which is translated as

follows);

" Say (O Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him)) " He is Allah, (the)

One " , " Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures

need, He neither eats nor drinks) " , " He begets not, nor was He

begotten " , " And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him " .

[Chapter 112 verses 1-4]

The birth of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him)was not any more supernatural

than the creation of our father Adam. Allah said in the Noble Qur'an

(Which is translated as follows);

" Verily, the likeness of `Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness

of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: " Be! " ---

and he was " . [Chapter 3: verse 59]

MISSION OF JESUS (Peace Be Upon Him):

Our creator sent Prophets to set mankind on the right path. Jesus

(Peace Be Upon Him) was similarly one of the Messengers of God, he

was prepared by God to be sent to the Jews (children of Israel) who

had deviated from the teachings of prophet Moses (Peace Be Upon Him)

He (Allah) taught him the Book, the wisdom, the Torah, the Gospel and

supported him with numerous miracles to prove that he was a Messenger

from Allah. In the Noble Qur'an Allah says (Which is translated as

follows);

" (Remember) when the angels said: " O am ()! Verily, Allah

gives you the glad tidings of a Word [ " Be! " -- and he was! i.e. `Iesa

(Jesus) the son of am ()] from him, his name will be the

Messiah `Iesah (Jesus), the son of am (), held in honour in

this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are

near to Allah " ,

" He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he

will be one of the righteous " , " She said: " O my Lord! How shall I

have a son when no man has touched me " ,

He said: " So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He

has decreed something, He says to it only: " Be! " ---and it is " " And He

(Allah) will teach him [`Iesa (Jesus)] the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e.

the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom, etc.),

(and) the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) " ,

" And will make him [`Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the children of

Israel (saying): " I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that

I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and

breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's Leave; and I heal

him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life

by Allah's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you

store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you

believe " ,

" And I have to confirm that which was before me of the Taurat

(Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you,

and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allah and

obey me " .

[Chapter 3: verse 45-50]

It should be mentioned that while Muslims believe that Jesus (Peace

Be Upon Him) was given God's " Good news " they do not recognize the

present " Four Gospels " as the utterances of Jesus (Peace Be Upon

Him).

Even the church agrees that the " Four Gospels " were written by four

different men, but they maintain that they were divinely inspired.

This idea is rejected by us. It can be agreed that if the four

writers were divinely inspired, then why are there so many serious

discrepancies and omissions in their individual accounts of the life

of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him)? Another mission of Jesus (Peace Be Upon

Him) was to tell the people about the coming of the final Prophet

after him. The Almighty God said in the Noble Qur'an (Which is

translated as follows);

" And (remember) when `Iesa (Jesus), son of am (), said: " O

Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah unto you confirming

the Taurat [Torah which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a

Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed . But when he

(Ahmed i.e. Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him) came to them with clear

proofs, they said: " This is plain magic " .

[Chapter 6: verse 61]

The New Testament speaks of the coming of a " Comforter " after the

ministry of Jesus. Some Christians believe or were made to believe

that the promised " Comforter " is the " Holy Spirit " , but this view

cannot be maintained because the " Holy Spirit " was already present

during Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) ministry, and its coming was not a

future event. The Muslims, therefore, believe that the

term " Comforter " of necessity refers to a Prophet. He was Mohammed

(Peace Be Upon Him) the unlearned Prophet , the sole Prophet who

brought with him a complete, comprehensive revelation from God which

has been preserved as it was revealed to him originally, challenging

the whole world to come up with one chapter like it, yet

unsuccessfully challenged till present day. It is the Miracle of

Miracles, the Last Testament of faith addressed to the whole world

embodying complete light and guidance as well as the reprove of sin.

JESUS (Peace Be Upon Him) WAS RAISED TO HEAVEN:

Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) was followed by a few disciples who were

inspired by God to support him. Not only that, but the non-believers

plotted to kill Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him), but God had a better plan

for him and his followers as the Noble Qur'an tells us in the

following verses (Which is translated as follows);

" Then when `Iesa (Jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he

said: " Who will be my helpers in Allah's Cause? " Al-Hawariun (the

disciples) said: " We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah,

and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah) " ,

" Our Lord! We believed in what You have sent down, and we follow the

Messenger [`Iesa (Jesus)]; so write us down among those who bear

witness (to the truth i.e. La Ilaha Ill-Allah -- none has the right

to be worshipped but Allah) " ,

" And they (disbelievers) plotted [to kill `Iesa (Jesus)], and Allah

planned too. And Allah is the best of the planners " ,

" And (remember) when Allah said: " O `Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you

and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement

that `Iesa (Jesus) is Allah's son] of those who disbelieve, and I

will make those who follow you (Monotheist, who worship none but

Allah) superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allah, or

disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Mohammed, `Iesa (Jesus),

Musa (Moses), etc. (Peace Be Upon Him), or in His Holy Books, e.g.

the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), The Qur'an] till the Day of

Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you

in the matters in which you used to dispute " ,

" As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment

in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers " .

[Chapter 3: verses 52-56]

As the above verses indicate Jesus was raised to heaven before he

died. This means that according to the Noble Qur'an he was not

crucified. It was the plan of the enemies of Jesus (Peace Be Upon

Him) to put him to death on the cross, but God saved him and somebody

else was crucified. This plot and the false accusation about are

considered by the Noble Qur'an to be some of the sins of the non-

believing Jews. All of this is made clear in the following verses

(Which is translated as follows);

" And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against am

() a grave false charge (that she has committed illegal sexual

intercourse) " , " And because of their saying (in boast), " We killed

Messiah `Iesa (Jesus), son of am (), the Messenger of

Allah, " -- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the

resemblance of `Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they

killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts.

They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture.

For surely; they killed him not [i.e. `Iesa (Jesus), son of am

[] " , " But Allah raised him [`Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and

soul) unto Himself (and he (Peace Be Upon Him) is in the heaven).

And Allah is ever All-Powerful, All-Wise " , " And there is none of the

people of the scripture (Jews and Christians), but must believe in

him [`Iesa (Jesus), son of am (), as only a Messenger of

Allah and a human being], before his [`Iesa (Jesus) or a Jews or a

Christian's] death (at the time of the appearance of the angel of

death). And on the Day of Resurrection, he [`Iesa (Jesus)] will be a

witness against them " .

[Chapter 4: verses 156-159]

Finally, we testify that there is no God except Allah and there is

none worthy of worship except Him, He has no partners, Mohammed is

His slave and His Messenger, and that `Iesa (Jesus) son of is

Allah's slave, His Messenger, His word (Be! and he was) which he

bestowed on and a spirit created by Him. We believe that all

Prophets are brothers no different between their religion, which is

one religion " Al-Islam " . We attest that the Paradise is true, the

Hell-fire is true, and God will Resurrect mankind from graves. Allah

says in The Noble Qur'an (Which is translated as follows);

" He (Allah) has ordained for you the same religion (Islam) which He

ordained for Nuh (Noah), and that which We have inspired in you (O

Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him)) and that which We ordained for Ibrahim

(Abraham), Musa (Moses) and `Iesa (Jesus) saying you should establish

religion (i.e. to do what it orders you to do practically), and make

no divisions in it (religion) (i.e. various sects in religion).

Intolerable for the Polytheist, pagans and idolaters is that to which

you (O Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him) ) call them. Allah chooses for

Himself who He wills, and guides unto Himself who turns to Him in

repentance and in obedience " . [Chapter 42: verse 13]

This is our message and we will be witnesses against you in the day

of Judgment that we conveyed the message of TRUTH and left it up to

you, to follow the TRUTH or stay in darkness. The Almighty Allah said

in the Noble Qur'an (Which is translated as follows);

" Allah! La Ilaha Illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but

He), the Ever Living, the One Who Sustains and protects all that

exists. Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake him. To Him belongs

whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is he

that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? He knows what

happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen

to them in the Hereafter. And they will never compass anything of His

Knowledge except that which He wills. His Kursi (a footstool or

chair) extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no

fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the

Most Great. " " There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right

path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in

worship other than the real God (Allah), and believes in Allah, then

he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break.

Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower " .

[Chapter 2: verses 255-56.]

- Soliman H. Albuthi

> Next they will remove In God we trust form our money. sorry but I

just fell

> like we are being demonized the principles America was founded on

were

> Christian and it should stay that way if you don't like it leave

need a one

> way ticket.

>

> Re: Oh Well

> >

> > This is offensive and insane. The inmates are running the asylum!

> >

> > Maxine Pate

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Bledsoe

> >

> > Suburban Firefighters Ordered To Un-Deck The Halls

> >

December 29, 2003

> Let us stop the Jihad and get back to ambulance driving.

This is our goal as well, oh brother.

- Soliman H. Albuthi

December 29, 2003

Amen