Re: Just starting on diet - first time posting

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb, and welcome,

I'll take a shot at a couple of your questions!

Re: Nut Milk -- go to www.pecanbread.com and look under the recipe

section. There is a recipe called " Nut Milk " written by our

resident nut milk expert, Marjan. It gives step by step

instructions.

About the meat -- there are lots of recipes (on Pecanbread) for

things like " sneaky pancakes " -- where you puree the chicken in with

the eggs and hopefully he won't even notice it's there.

If he likes finely pureed veggies, you're in luck. You can use

those after the intro diet.

And finally, many, many parents find that their kids' tastes and

sensory issues change after a while on the diet. My daughter now

eats a few bites of vegetables every night at dinner (even though

some days it seems like " Fear Factor for Four-Year-Olds " -- the

dreaded PEAS!!!) and she would have preferred to starve (not

kidding) pre SCD than eat a carrot.

I hope this diet is a blessing to you, as it has been to so many of

us.

Sue (From Pickering)

Mom to , 4.5, formerly? ASD, SCD since March 16/03

[Guest guest]

I won't hit on the other questions you have because there are a lot

more qualified experts in those areas on this list, but I think if

you don't offer or stock in your pantry anything but water he will

drink water. Water is really what he needs to be drinking. Our son

had this addiction to chocolate milk before we went gfcf and then

when we were gfcf he was addicted to chocolate Darifree. I was

getting really concerned about his teeth. When we started SCD I

just eliminated milk and juices from the refrigerator and he began

using the water dispenser to get his own water and we also got a

cool water bottle that is his he loves to keep with him. You can

make almond milk though, hopefully someone who makes it will answer

your post too.

>. One major struggle we've had is what to give him to

> drink. He loves Oat milk and that isn't ok on SCD. We've tried

really

> watered down grape juice which he is sipping but not drinking like

he

> needs to do. Can we try making almond milk or is there one on the

> market he could have? Is there a way to make almond milk

ourselves? He

> needs a " milky " drink, and I'm not sure what to do about that. He

> really needs to drink!

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb, Welcome to the group! All this sounds very confusing but will get

easier. You can puree chicken and make pancakes and there are a lot of

other great " hidden " veggie recipes on www.pecanbread.com there are a lot

of links to other sites as well. I recall one I was thinking about making

called " egg fu young pancakes " .(they had chicken in them as well). My

daughter does not like to eat pork chops or chicken plain but will eat

anything if it's in a pancake or in a meatloaf. It takes time to perfect

what will work for you. Also eventually after the intro you will get to use

nut butter, then nut flour and those have a lot of protein as well as eggs.

Can he eat eggs? The banana pancakes are easy and kids like them. Basically

its an egg and banana made into a pancake. The yogurt and dehydrated fruit

comes later so I would concentrate on the instructions on the website and do

the intro. then ease into stage one.

Good luck and welcome again!

Kathy

mom of Abby-9, ASD, UC, SCD since 2-21-04

and Hannah-13, NT

Just starting on diet - first time posting

> It's been very interesting and informative reading all of your posts

> these past couple days. I have read BTVC and read through several of

> the websites, and I thought it was time to introduce our situation and

> hopefully get some input into the best way to proceed! Our son is 5

> years old, is a former preemie, and has struggled with severe

> constipation, gas, bloating & distention since birth. His pain was very

> severe a little before age 2 and he was admitted to the PICU where they

> performed weeks of testing before finally discovering his gall bladder

> was severely diseased. After another week of trying medication

> unsuccessfully, the gall bladder was removed. His pain was improved but

> he still suffered from constipation, gas and bloating. He also suffers

> from malabsorption and weighs only 26 lbs. regardless of having a pretty

> hearty appetite! He LOVES all grains, and due to DSI (Dysfunction of

> Sensory Integration), HATES the textures of fruits and vegetables! He

> will only eat dried fruits like raisins and stretch fruit leathers, and

> extremely smooth pureed fruits and veggies like stage 1 baby foods.

> He's not real interested in meats and will eat a few bites of a

> hamburger, or a few bites of chicken occasionally. He does like to eat

> scrambled eggs. He is allergic to milk - causes major respiratory,

> sinus and abdominal distress. So we aren't planning on trying that!

> Anyway, a few days ago we began introducing SCD. So far he seems to be

> doing ok with it. One major struggle we've had is what to give him to

> drink. He loves Oat milk and that isn't ok on SCD. We've tried really

> watered down grape juice which he is sipping but not drinking like he

> needs to do. Can we try making almond milk or is there one on the

> market he could have? Is there a way to make almond milk ourselves? He

> needs a " milky " drink, and I'm not sure what to do about that. He

> really needs to drink! Also wondered about how to make this nut yogurt.

> I read a little about it on the websites and on this list, but is there

> a detailed description of how to do this somewhere? Also is there

> information on how exactly to dehydrate fruits and vegetables? This is

> probably something we'll have to look into for our son!

> I know this is a lot of questions, but our son's nutritionist is

> concerned that he won't get enough protein on this diet because he

> doesn't really like meat. He has been using Kirkman's pea protein

> powder. Is that ok? Are there any other sources for protein besides

> eggs if your child doesn't really like meat and is allergic to milk?

> thanks for any ideas/advice! Deb

>

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> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Deb and welcome to the list! Have you had a chance to visit

www.pecanbread.com? There you will find answers to most of your

questions and it is a wonderful resource that I go back to very

often. In the recipe section, you will find recipes for both nut

yogurt and nut milk. But, if you decide to do the intro diet, nuts

are not to be introduced right away. Now, if he's not going to

drink anything else, then I would go ahead and give it to him.

Keeping a food journal is highly recommended and is really helpful,

so you know if there are any adverse reactions.

Also on pecanbread is a section called " Beyond the Intro. " There

you will find a table for all the stages of the diet. This is a

guideline for you, so you will have an idea which foods are usually

well tolerated and the order on how to prepare the food. At first

you will want to peel, deseed and cook most fruits and all

vegetables. Dehydrated fruits are in the last stage, so you will

not want to try this early on in the diet.

Kirkman's protein powder is legal, but I think some children have

been having difficulty with it, so I would just watch your son for

any adverse reactions or little improvement on SCD.

My son is also not a big meat eater. He also likes eggs and they

are a great source of protein. Nut butter is also a great source.

But maybe you could try sneaking some meat in. I know I can brown

some ground beef and put it in Jack's veggies or in his eggs.

Sometimes I grind up cooked chicken and put in mashed butternut

squash. There is a recipe for chicken pancakes on pecanbread that

is also popular with the other kids. Check out all the recipes, and

you may find some that work for your son.

Keep us posted on your progress!

Gia

Mom to Jack and , SCD 10 mos

[Guest guest]

" will only eat dried fruits like raisins and stretch fruit leathers,

and extremely smooth pureed fruits and veggies like stage 1 baby

foods. "

So if I were in your shoes I'd puree all foods initially to help him

get started as comfortable as possible.

" He's not real interested in meats and will eat a few bites of a

hamburger, or a few bites of chicken occasionally. "

Can be added to the smoothie, no problem.

" Can we try making almond milk "

Of course, I make it all the time. I have to say that I don't do

almond milk, I make it from hazelnuts. We give almond yoghurt already

and I'd like to sort of rotate nuts where possible.

Recipe:

100 grams = 1/2 cup of whole blanched hazelnuts, almonds or pecans

(pecans give brownish, fatty milk)

1 litre = 4 cups of water

a small pinch of salt

optional: 1 tbsp of clear honey

Put ingredients in blender and spin for about 10 minutes.

Pour through a fine sieve.

Squeeze out residue with the back of a spoon or squeeze out in a tea

towel.

Freeze residue (this is in fact very fine nut flour) and use for

baking purposes.

Store in the fridge.

Use withing 2-3 days.

This recipe can be found on www.pecanbread.com, under recipes, scroll

down to nut yoghurt, nut milk etc

" or is there one on the market he could have? "

no

" Also wondered about how to make this nut yogurt. "

www.pecanbread.com -> recipes -> nut section

I also have a step-by-step instruction sheet if you wish. I'd need

your email address.

" Also is there information on how exactly to dehydrate fruits and

vegetables? "

The dehydration of fruits is the easiest thing: just dry till you

like it. When you buy your dehydrator, a booklet will help you along

no doubt.

Dehydrated fruits are not at all recommended till much later in the

diet though. Initially your fruit should be peeled & cooked.

" he won't get enough protein on this diet because he

doesn't really like meat. "

The intro chicken soup is ideal for mixing in your meat. Throw in the

blender, whizz, you'll never know you did put it in.

An excellent protein source by the way are mushrooms. They act as

meat substitute in all kinds of recipes. So in autumn be sure to grab

those mushrooms and dehydrate them for future use.

Marjan

Netherlands

Mom to Nick, 7, SCD since jan 18 2003

http://autisme.boogolinks.nl/

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the list Deb,

> drink. He loves Oat milk and that isn't ok on SCD. We've tried

really

> watered down grape juice which he is sipping but not drinking like

he

> needs to do. Can we try making almond milk or is there one on the

> market he could have? Is there a way to make almond milk

ourselves? He

> needs a " milky " drink, and I'm not sure what to do about that. He

> really needs to drink! Also wondered about how to make this nut

yogurt.

> I read a little about it on the websites and on this list, but is

there

> a detailed description of how to do this somewhere?

You are correct the oat milk is illegal. Yogurt smoothies may be an

option for you. I make a blender full each morning with yogurt

bananas and honey. If you aren't going to use yogurt right away,

you may be able to make a fruit " smoothie " some water/ice cubes and

cooked fruit. Ripe Banana, applesauce/pearsauce and ice cubes

blended until very smooth. The nut milks aren't really recomended

for the beginning of the diet but if you have no other option....

The recipe to make nut milk can be found at:

http://pecanbread.com/recipes.html under the nut milk section.

Also is there

> information on how exactly to dehydrate fruits and vegetables?

This is

> probably something we'll have to look into for our son!

There is lots of info on the internet on how to dehydrate fruits and

veggies but they are not an item for the beginning of the diet. The

gut needs to heal first with more basic foods before you'll be able

to tolerate more complex foods like raisins etc.

> I know this is a lot of questions, but our son's nutritionist is

> concerned that he won't get enough protein on this diet because he

> doesn't really like meat. He has been using Kirkman's pea protein

> powder. Is that ok? Are there any other sources for protein

besides

> eggs if your child doesn't really like meat and is allergic to

milk?

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the pea protein is not

legal. Please see the below for a detailed explanation

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/pea_flour.h

tm

There are lots of great recipes on the website that may help get

legal proteins into your son. Like the meatloafs, chicken pancakes

etc. http://pecanbread.com/recipes.html

Sheila UC, 20 years -- in remission after 38 mos SCD

mom of SCD 23 mos

[Guest guest]

Hi Gia,

Sorry, but the pea protein concentrate is illegal.

Please see

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/pea_flour.h

tm

Sheila

> Kirkman's protein powder is legal, but I think some children have

> been having difficulty with it, so I would just watch your son for

> any adverse reactions or little improvement on SCD.

[Guest guest]

Well, I think someone should contact Kirkman because at the DAN!

Conference they were handing out flyers for SCD Legal Supplements

and pea protein powder was included in the list. This is very

concerning.

Gia

[Guest guest]

>You can puree chicken and make pancakes and there are a lot of

These sound great, but for those of you who are avoiding honey right now, how

are

you topping them?

Naomi, mom to Sam (6, autism) and (3, PDD)

check out our website http://sam26847.tripod.com

They always say time changes things, but you actually have to change them

yourself.

Andy Warhol

[Guest guest]

Naomi,

Home made ketchup or mayo? Purred berries with saccharine.

> >You can puree chicken and make pancakes and there are a lot of

>

> These sound great, but for those of you who are avoiding honey right now,

> how are

> you topping them?

>

Carol F.

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Toronto , Celiac SCD 2 3/4 years

There is no substitute for the right food!