Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 > OK, what is the bottom line with this? If my clock was ticking, if I were > unexpectedly pregnant, it's good to know that things quite possibly could > turn out well. But what's the best for all concerned? > > * PTU is better for a pregnant and lactating woman than Tapazole. But how > good is it really? And what if a pregnant > woman finds herself unable to tolerate PTU? (Is this where surgery > comes in?) Yes, if you're pregnant and taking PTU and discover you're intolerant, your thyroid will be surgically removed, hopefully around the fourth month (that's the ideal time for the fetus. But this question of how good is PTU really, and what's the best for all concerned -- this really gets me going. Without question, the rare but potentially horrid adverse affects of tapazole make tap a risky drug (the fetus can develop a rare condition in which the skin on the scalp doesn't grow correctly, exposing the brain orsomething horrific like that--but it's rare). However, PTU is classified as a 'probable carcinogen " by the US department of Health and Human Services. As far as I know, ob/gyns and endos are NOT telling this to their pregnant patients. My own endo had no idea. I've mentioned this many times and the link to the government report should be in the archives; I can dig it out and send it again if someone wants to see this. Remember, estrogen also shares this classification - estrogen serves a vital purpose in our bodies, but too much is now suspected of contributing to cancer. According to one study, 4 people of 350 who took PTU developed thyroid cancer; large doses of PTU caused thyroid cancer in rats. There have been NO studies on the longterm health of fetuses who were exposed to PTU. We really don't know what the drug does to the developing baby. We do know that there appear to be no immediate adverse affects -- newborns are fine, babies are fine etc. We also know that untreated hyperthyroidism can be damaging and deadly to both mother and baby. That's the picture. If I decide to have another baby and became hyperthyroid again, if the situation were dire, I would probably take PTU. But I would not take the drug blindly or lightly, and would not believe all would be 'fine' simply because this is the drug of choice. It is a choice with uncertainties and with the tag of 'probable carcinogen' being given to a developing baby. If this drug causes cancer in lab rats, it makes me angry and sad that we haven't figured out if this drug may adversely affect a baby in the longterm. > * Even if a one can take PTU while breastfeeding there is powerful > anecdotal evidence (, help me out here. [And > what's happening with " Prairie Rat? " ]) that achieving hormonal stasis > can be very helpful for Grave's patients. Would a > pregnant woman just do well to psyche herself up to not breastfeeding > to more easily achieve remission? Personally, > that would be a very painful decision. > Not all women will go into remission once the hormonal changes of lactation have returned to their 'normal' state. However, I did. Again, I would probably breastfeed again and if I became sick, would wean quickly. this isn't an easy decision and I think that breastmilk is of course, the best food for a baby (the average worldwide age of weaning is 4!!!). There are other concerns about breastfeeding too -- a bit off topic, but according to Theo Colburn Phd (in the book Our Stolen Future), the dioxins in the mother's body are largely stored in fat, including the high fat breastmilk. These dioxins are then dumped into the baby. One of the reasons, Colburn speculates, that breastfeeding is a good preventer of breast cancer, is that the mother loses some of her dioxins through breastmilk. Of course, the infant gets those. There are dioxins in the plastics of nipples used on bottles as well, but breastmilk is really an excellent source of transfer. Some health care activists are asking women to reconsider breastfeeding, but for now, the recommendations of most who are up on this issue is to continue breastfeeding as the benefits to the immune system may outweigh the dioxin load and actually allow teh child to fight these. In sum, the pollutants we've created are indeed are children's problems -- instantly. My book?!! Aargh. Met with the interested literary agent a couple of weeks ago. I'm on a third draft of the darn thing, mostly readjusting one character into something more complex. It shoudl be finished in December and then I hope the agent will be able to try to sell it. Thanks for asking!!!! Continuing my off topic ramble, I also wrote a short 8 page story related to the pyschological aspects of the current war on terrorism. I'm going to transform this into a first person narrative, but if anyone wants a copy through email, I'd love to have people actually read some of my work right now; since the magazine I used to write for went under, I've missed having an audience other than neighors! If you want a copy, let me know privately at: petri017@... I'll copy it into the body of the email itself. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 Please help me I am on Tapazole for hyperthyroidism. What is PTU. _____________________________ Sonya I.S. Administrator Diamond Offshore Drilling Direct: Fax: Email: srharris@... > Re: endo appt/ pregnancy and GD & some OT > > > > OK, what is the bottom line with this? If my clock was ticking, if I > were > > unexpectedly pregnant, it's good to know that things quite possibly > could > > turn out well. But what's the best for all concerned? > > > > * PTU is better for a pregnant and lactating woman than Tapazole. But > how > > good is it really? And what if a pregnant > > woman finds herself unable to tolerate PTU? (Is this where surgery > > comes in?) > > Yes, if you're pregnant and taking PTU and discover you're intolerant, > your > thyroid will be surgically removed, hopefully around the fourth month > (that's the ideal time for the fetus. > > But this question of how good is PTU really, and what's the best for all > concerned -- this really gets me going. Without question, the rare but > potentially horrid adverse affects of tapazole make tap a risky drug (the > fetus can develop a rare condition in which the skin on the scalp doesn't > grow correctly, exposing the brain orsomething horrific like that--but > it's > rare). However, PTU is classified as a 'probable carcinogen " by the US > department of Health and Human Services. As far as I know, ob/gyns and > endos are NOT telling this to their pregnant patients. My own endo had no > idea. I've mentioned this many times and the link to the government > report > should be in the archives; I can dig it out and send it again if someone > wants to see this. Remember, estrogen also shares this classification - > estrogen serves a vital purpose in our bodies, but too much is now > suspected > of contributing to cancer. According to one study, 4 people of 350 who > took PTU developed thyroid cancer; large doses of PTU caused thyroid > cancer > in rats. > > There have been NO studies on the longterm health of fetuses who were > exposed to PTU. We really don't know what the drug does to the developing > baby. We do know that there appear to be no immediate adverse affects -- > newborns are fine, babies are fine etc. We also know that untreated > hyperthyroidism can be damaging and deadly to both mother and baby. > > That's the picture. If I decide to have another baby and became > hyperthyroid again, if the situation were dire, I would probably take PTU. > But I would not take the drug blindly or lightly, and would not believe > all > would be 'fine' simply because this is the drug of choice. It is a choice > with uncertainties and with the tag of 'probable carcinogen' being given > to > a developing baby. If this drug causes cancer in lab rats, it makes me > angry and sad that we haven't figured out if this drug may adversely > affect > a baby in the longterm. > > > > * Even if a one can take PTU while breastfeeding there is powerful > > anecdotal evidence (, help me out here. [And > > what's happening with " Prairie Rat? " ]) that achieving hormonal stasis > > can be very helpful for Grave's patients. Would a > > pregnant woman just do well to psyche herself up to not breastfeeding > > to more easily achieve remission? Personally, > > that would be a very painful decision. > > > > Not all women will go into remission once the hormonal changes of > lactation > have returned to their 'normal' state. However, I did. Again, I would > probably breastfeed again and if I became sick, would wean quickly. this > isn't an easy decision and I think that breastmilk is of course, the best > food for a baby (the average worldwide age of weaning is 4!!!). There are > other concerns about breastfeeding too -- a bit off topic, but according > to > Theo Colburn Phd (in the book Our Stolen Future), the dioxins in the > mother's body are largely stored in fat, including the high fat > breastmilk. > These dioxins are then dumped into the baby. One of the reasons, Colburn > speculates, that breastfeeding is a good preventer of breast cancer, is > that > the mother loses some of her dioxins through breastmilk. Of course, the > infant gets those. There are dioxins in the plastics of nipples used on > bottles as well, but breastmilk is really an excellent source of transfer. > Some health care activists are asking women to reconsider breastfeeding, > but > for now, the recommendations of most who are up on this issue is to > continue > breastfeeding as the benefits to the immune system may outweigh the dioxin > load and actually allow teh child to fight these. In sum, the pollutants > we've created are indeed are children's problems -- instantly. > > My book?!! Aargh. Met with the interested literary agent a couple of > weeks > ago. I'm on a third draft of the darn thing, mostly readjusting one > character into something more complex. It shoudl be finished in December > and then I hope the agent will be able to try to sell it. Thanks for > asking!!!! Continuing my off topic ramble, I also wrote a short 8 page > story related to the pyschological aspects of the current war on > terrorism. > I'm going to transform this into a first person narrative, but if anyone > wants a copy through email, I'd love to have people actually read some of > my > work right now; since the magazine I used to write for went under, I've > missed having an audience other than neighors! > > If you want a copy, let me know privately at: > petri017@... > > I'll copy it into the body of the email itself. > > B > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 You know I will be honest with you. One of my last pregnancies was a huge surprise and I was HyerT with out a choice. Now rather than drive myself so crazy I had to go with waht the literature says as well as the scientific studies. No choice here. I wasn't about to go under the knife. Surgery certainly has it's risks also. Since I was on relatively low dose PTU I couldn't drive myself insane with worry . It may sound funny to some but with alot of prayer I had to have faith that God wanted me to have my children so he would protect my child. Some things are out of our own hands but with things we can control we do our best with the right information we are given. I don't know , I guess with all that's happened lately I have to try and put things in proper perspective and live life to the best of my ability and rely on God to help me get through. regards, I. Re: endo appt/ pregnancy and GD & some OT > > > OK, what is the bottom line with this? If my clock was ticking, if I were > > unexpectedly pregnant, it's good to know that things quite possibly could > > turn out well. But what's the best for all concerned? > > > > * PTU is better for a pregnant and lactating woman than Tapazole. But how > > good is it really? And what if a pregnant > > woman finds herself unable to tolerate PTU? (Is this where surgery > > comes in?) > > Yes, if you're pregnant and taking PTU and discover you're intolerant, your > thyroid will be surgically removed, hopefully around the fourth month > (that's the ideal time for the fetus. > > But this question of how good is PTU really, and what's the best for all > concerned -- this really gets me going. Without question, the rare but > potentially horrid adverse affects of tapazole make tap a risky drug (the > fetus can develop a rare condition in which the skin on the scalp doesn't > grow correctly, exposing the brain orsomething horrific like that--but it's > rare). However, PTU is classified as a 'probable carcinogen " by the US > department of Health and Human Services. As far as I know, ob/gyns and > endos are NOT telling this to their pregnant patients. My own endo had no > idea. I've mentioned this many times and the link to the government report > should be in the archives; I can dig it out and send it again if someone > wants to see this. Remember, estrogen also shares this classification - > estrogen serves a vital purpose in our bodies, but too much is now suspected > of contributing to cancer. According to one study, 4 people of 350 who > took PTU developed thyroid cancer; large doses of PTU caused thyroid cancer > in rats. > > There have been NO studies on the longterm health of fetuses who were > exposed to PTU. We really don't know what the drug does to the developing > baby. We do know that there appear to be no immediate adverse affects -- > newborns are fine, babies are fine etc. We also know that untreated > hyperthyroidism can be damaging and deadly to both mother and baby. > > That's the picture. If I decide to have another baby and became > hyperthyroid again, if the situation were dire, I would probably take PTU. > But I would not take the drug blindly or lightly, and would not believe all > would be 'fine' simply because this is the drug of choice. It is a choice > with uncertainties and with the tag of 'probable carcinogen' being given to > a developing baby. If this drug causes cancer in lab rats, it makes me > angry and sad that we haven't figured out if this drug may adversely affect > a baby in the longterm. > > > > * Even if a one can take PTU while breastfeeding there is powerful > > anecdotal evidence (, help me out here. [And > > what's happening with " Prairie Rat? " ]) that achieving hormonal stasis > > can be very helpful for Grave's patients. Would a > > pregnant woman just do well to psyche herself up to not breastfeeding > > to more easily achieve remission? Personally, > > that would be a very painful decision. > > > > Not all women will go into remission once the hormonal changes of lactation > have returned to their 'normal' state. However, I did. Again, I would > probably breastfeed again and if I became sick, would wean quickly. this > isn't an easy decision and I think that breastmilk is of course, the best > food for a baby (the average worldwide age of weaning is 4!!!). There are > other concerns about breastfeeding too -- a bit off topic, but according to > Theo Colburn Phd (in the book Our Stolen Future), the dioxins in the > mother's body are largely stored in fat, including the high fat breastmilk. > These dioxins are then dumped into the baby. One of the reasons, Colburn > speculates, that breastfeeding is a good preventer of breast cancer, is that > the mother loses some of her dioxins through breastmilk. Of course, the > infant gets those. There are dioxins in the plastics of nipples used on > bottles as well, but breastmilk is really an excellent source of transfer. > Some health care activists are asking women to reconsider breastfeeding, but > for now, the recommendations of most who are up on this issue is to continue > breastfeeding as the benefits to the immune system may outweigh the dioxin > load and actually allow teh child to fight these. In sum, the pollutants > we've created are indeed are children's problems -- instantly. > > My book?!! Aargh. Met with the interested literary agent a couple of weeks > ago. I'm on a third draft of the darn thing, mostly readjusting one > character into something more complex. It shoudl be finished in December > and then I hope the agent will be able to try to sell it. Thanks for > asking!!!! Continuing my off topic ramble, I also wrote a short 8 page > story related to the pyschological aspects of the current war on terrorism. > I'm going to transform this into a first person narrative, but if anyone > wants a copy through email, I'd love to have people actually read some of my > work right now; since the magazine I used to write for went under, I've > missed having an audience other than neighors! > > If you want a copy, let me know privately at: > petri017@... > > I'll copy it into the body of the email itself. > > B > > > > ------------------------------------- > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not intended to replace expert medical care. > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. > ---------------------------------------- > DISCLAIMER > > Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the endorsement of > the listowner. 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Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 Hi Sonya, PTU is another ATD, I can't remember the full name of it though, I'm sorry. It is said to be safer for pregnancy than Tap (see B's post for a much better explanation). Others I'm sure will explain it better. Jody _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 , your beliefs do not sound funny in the least. Congratulations and enjoy. I am one of five and have a large family myself. I hope I haven't upset or offended anyone but I do want to find out all the angles of this issue. Take care, everyone, Fay ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 Hi - Do you remember the class ranking of PTU as a carcinogen? I think you posted it once before. I took Glucophage for PCOS when trying to get pregnant. It has a class B risk factor and isn't advised for those attempting pregnancy. However, it's now being used often to treat PCOS and women are often being kept on it for their 1st trimester because it seems to reduce the risk of miscarriage. The consensus is that although there is some risk, the benefits for PCOS patients far outweigh them. The good thing is that since little PTU crosses the placenta (and they keep mom on a minimal dose), the risk that it is a probable carcinogen is probably much much lower than it is for the rats given a high dose or the 4 people that developed thyroid cancer (who get PTU directly). They are very cautious when listing drugs as safe during pregnancy and if there's any possibility of a risk at all, the drug is listed as risky. It is good to bring this to people's attention though and it does deserve long-term study. That you would take it again during pregnancy is an example of that cost-benefit risk. Some people wouldn't be willing to take any risk and it wouldn't be right for them not to be able to decide that for themselves. Take care, > > > OK, what is the bottom line with this? If my clock was ticking, if I were > > unexpectedly pregnant, it's good to know that things quite possibly could > > turn out well. But what's the best for all concerned? > > > > * PTU is better for a pregnant and lactating woman than Tapazole. But how > > good is it really? And what if a pregnant > > woman finds herself unable to tolerate PTU? (Is this where surgery > > comes in?) > > Yes, if you're pregnant and taking PTU and discover you're intolerant, your > thyroid will be surgically removed, hopefully around the fourth month > (that's the ideal time for the fetus. > > But this question of how good is PTU really, and what's the best for all > concerned -- this really gets me going. Without question, the rare but > potentially horrid adverse affects of tapazole make tap a risky drug (the > fetus can develop a rare condition in which the skin on the scalp doesn't > grow correctly, exposing the brain orsomething horrific like that--but it's > rare). However, PTU is classified as a 'probable carcinogen " by the US > department of Health and Human Services. As far as I know, ob/gyns and > endos are NOT telling this to their pregnant patients. My own endo had no > idea. I've mentioned this many times and the link to the government report > should be in the archives; I can dig it out and send it again if someone > wants to see this. Remember, estrogen also shares this classification - > estrogen serves a vital purpose in our bodies, but too much is now suspected > of contributing to cancer. According to one study, 4 people of 350 who > took PTU developed thyroid cancer; large doses of PTU caused thyroid cancer > in rats. > > There have been NO studies on the longterm health of fetuses who were > exposed to PTU. We really don't know what the drug does to the developing > baby. We do know that there appear to be no immediate adverse affects -- > newborns are fine, babies are fine etc. We also know that untreated > hyperthyroidism can be damaging and deadly to both mother and baby. > > That's the picture. If I decide to have another baby and became > hyperthyroid again, if the situation were dire, I would probably take PTU. > But I would not take the drug blindly or lightly, and would not believe all > would be 'fine' simply because this is the drug of choice. It is a choice > with uncertainties and with the tag of 'probable carcinogen' being given to > a developing baby. If this drug causes cancer in lab rats, it makes me > angry and sad that we haven't figured out if this drug may adversely affect > a baby in the longterm. > > > > * Even if a one can take PTU while breastfeeding there is powerful > > anecdotal evidence (, help me out here. [And > > what's happening with " Prairie Rat? " ]) that achieving hormonal stasis > > can be very helpful for Grave's patients. Would a > > pregnant woman just do well to psyche herself up to not breastfeeding > > to more easily achieve remission? Personally, > > that would be a very painful decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 Hi , I totally understand -- if I have another baby and need to, I'd take PTU again too. It seems the best option. Plus, sometimes you DO have to take a leap of faith and have trust that the 'best' option is good enough. The only reason I get annoyed about this particular issue is that I believe PTU's classification as a 'probable carcinogen' should be made known to women before they take the drug. Maybe if enough of us -- esp. when we're not pregnant, not in a crisis situation etc. -- demand better information of hte medication we'll be needing in a pinch, we can help one another become better informed. Also, I always wonder if people knew this, if these babies developed thyroid problems as young adults or adults, etc., we might be able to track a connection, IF there is one. B Re: endo appt/ pregnancy and GD & some OT > > > > > > > OK, what is the bottom line with this? If my clock was ticking, if I > were > > > unexpectedly pregnant, it's good to know that things quite possibly > could > > > turn out well. But what's the best for all concerned? > > > > > > * PTU is better for a pregnant and lactating woman than Tapazole. But > how > > > good is it really? And what if a pregnant > > > woman finds herself unable to tolerate PTU? (Is this where surgery > > > comes in?) > > > > Yes, if you're pregnant and taking PTU and discover you're intolerant, > your > > thyroid will be surgically removed, hopefully around the fourth month > > (that's the ideal time for the fetus. > > > > But this question of how good is PTU really, and what's the best for all > > concerned -- this really gets me going. Without question, the rare but > > potentially horrid adverse affects of tapazole make tap a risky drug (the > > fetus can develop a rare condition in which the skin on the scalp doesn't > > grow correctly, exposing the brain orsomething horrific like that--but > it's > > rare). However, PTU is classified as a 'probable carcinogen " by the US > > department of Health and Human Services. As far as I know, ob/gyns and > > endos are NOT telling this to their pregnant patients. My own endo had no > > idea. I've mentioned this many times and the link to the government > report > > should be in the archives; I can dig it out and send it again if someone > > wants to see this. Remember, estrogen also shares this classification - > > estrogen serves a vital purpose in our bodies, but too much is now > suspected > > of contributing to cancer. According to one study, 4 people of 350 who > > took PTU developed thyroid cancer; large doses of PTU caused thyroid > cancer > > in rats. > > > > There have been NO studies on the longterm health of fetuses who were > > exposed to PTU. We really don't know what the drug does to the developing > > baby. We do know that there appear to be no immediate adverse affects -- > > newborns are fine, babies are fine etc. We also know that untreated > > hyperthyroidism can be damaging and deadly to both mother and baby. > > > > That's the picture. If I decide to have another baby and became > > hyperthyroid again, if the situation were dire, I would probably take PTU. > > But I would not take the drug blindly or lightly, and would not believe > all > > would be 'fine' simply because this is the drug of choice. It is a choice > > with uncertainties and with the tag of 'probable carcinogen' being given > to > > a developing baby. If this drug causes cancer in lab rats, it makes me > > angry and sad that we haven't figured out if this drug may adversely > affect > > a baby in the longterm. > > > > > > > * Even if a one can take PTU while breastfeeding there is powerful > > > anecdotal evidence (, help me out here. [And > > > what's happening with " Prairie Rat? " ]) that achieving hormonal stasis > > > can be very helpful for Grave's patients. Would a > > > pregnant woman just do well to psyche herself up to not breastfeeding > > > to more easily achieve remission? Personally, > > > that would be a very painful decision. > > > > > > > Not all women will go into remission once the hormonal changes of > lactation > > have returned to their 'normal' state. However, I did. Again, I would > > probably breastfeed again and if I became sick, would wean quickly. this > > isn't an easy decision and I think that breastmilk is of course, the best > > food for a baby (the average worldwide age of weaning is 4!!!). There are > > other concerns about breastfeeding too -- a bit off topic, but according > to > > Theo Colburn Phd (in the book Our Stolen Future), the dioxins in the > > mother's body are largely stored in fat, including the high fat > breastmilk. > > These dioxins are then dumped into the baby. One of the reasons, Colburn > > speculates, that breastfeeding is a good preventer of breast cancer, is > that > > the mother loses some of her dioxins through breastmilk. Of course, the > > infant gets those. There are dioxins in the plastics of nipples used on > > bottles as well, but breastmilk is really an excellent source of transfer. > > Some health care activists are asking women to reconsider breastfeeding, > but > > for now, the recommendations of most who are up on this issue is to > continue > > breastfeeding as the benefits to the immune system may outweigh the dioxin > > load and actually allow teh child to fight these. In sum, the pollutants > > we've created are indeed are children's problems -- instantly. > > > > My book?!! Aargh. Met with the interested literary agent a couple of > weeks > > ago. I'm on a third draft of the darn thing, mostly readjusting one > > character into something more complex. It shoudl be finished in December > > and then I hope the agent will be able to try to sell it. Thanks for > > asking!!!! Continuing my off topic ramble, I also wrote a short 8 page > > story related to the pyschological aspects of the current war on > terrorism. > > I'm going to transform this into a first person narrative, but if anyone > > wants a copy through email, I'd love to have people actually read some of > my > > work right now; since the magazine I used to write for went under, I've > > missed having an audience other than neighors! > > > > If you want a copy, let me know privately at: > > petri017@... > > > > I'll copy it into the body of the email itself. > > > > B > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------- > > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not > intended to replace expert medical care. > > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. > > ---------------------------------------- > > DISCLAIMER > > > > Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the > endorsement of > > the listowner. 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Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 Re: endo appt/ pregnancy and GD & some OT > > Hi - > > Do you remember the class ranking of PTU as a carcinogen? I think you > posted it once before. > It's a 'probable' carcinogen > > The good thing is that since little PTU crosses the placenta (and they keep > mom on a minimal dose), the risk that it is a probable carcinogen is > probably much much lower than it is for the rats given a high dose or the 4 > people that developed thyroid cancer (who get PTU directly). They are very > cautious when listing drugs as safe during pregnancy and if there's any > possibility of a risk at all, the drug is listed as risky. > > It is good to bring this to people's attention though and it does deserve > long-term study. That you would take it again during pregnancy is an > example of that cost-benefit risk. Some people wouldn't be willing to take > any risk and it wouldn't be right for them not to be able to decide that for > themselves. > > You know, I have to agree wtih this -- weighing all, I'd take PTU. I don't mean to scare anyone away from using the drug when necessary. However, the longterm impact of PTU on babies has never been studied. I guess I feel that there might be some risk -- we don't know that. There mightNOT be a risk -- we don't know that either. This is an area that I think needs more research. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2001 Report Share Posted October 26, 2001 I'm taking PTU, but have no intentions of having any more children. Should I be taking the Tapazole, instead? Re: endo appt/ pregnancy and GD & some OT > OK, what is the bottom line with this? If my clock was ticking, if I were > unexpectedly pregnant, it's good to know that things quite possibly could > turn out well. But what's the best for all concerned? > > * PTU is better for a pregnant and lactating woman than Tapazole. But how > good is it really? And what if a pregnant > woman finds herself unable to tolerate PTU? (Is this where surgery > comes in?) Yes, if you're pregnant and taking PTU and discover you're intolerant, your thyroid will be surgically removed, hopefully around the fourth month (that's the ideal time for the fetus. But this question of how good is PTU really, and what's the best for all concerned -- this really gets me going. Without question, the rare but potentially horrid adverse affects of tapazole make tap a risky drug (the fetus can develop a rare condition in which the skin on the scalp doesn't grow correctly, exposing the brain orsomething horrific like that--but it's rare). However, PTU is classified as a 'probable carcinogen " by the US department of Health and Human Services. As far as I know, ob/gyns and endos are NOT telling this to their pregnant patients. My own endo had no idea. I've mentioned this many times and the link to the government report should be in the archives; I can dig it out and send it again if someone wants to see this. Remember, estrogen also shares this classification - estrogen serves a vital purpose in our bodies, but too much is now suspected of contributing to cancer. According to one study, 4 people of 350 who took PTU developed thyroid cancer; large doses of PTU caused thyroid cancer in rats. There have been NO studies on the longterm health of fetuses who were exposed to PTU. We really don't know what the drug does to the developing baby. We do know that there appear to be no immediate adverse affects -- newborns are fine, babies are fine etc. We also know that untreated hyperthyroidism can be damaging and deadly to both mother and baby. That's the picture. If I decide to have another baby and became hyperthyroid again, if the situation were dire, I would probably take PTU. But I would not take the drug blindly or lightly, and would not believe all would be 'fine' simply because this is the drug of choice. It is a choice with uncertainties and with the tag of 'probable carcinogen' being given to a developing baby. If this drug causes cancer in lab rats, it makes me angry and sad that we haven't figured out if this drug may adversely affect a baby in the longterm. > * Even if a one can take PTU while breastfeeding there is powerful > anecdotal evidence (, help me out here. [And > what's happening with " Prairie Rat? " ]) that achieving hormonal stasis > can be very helpful for Grave's patients. Would a > pregnant woman just do well to psyche herself up to not breastfeeding > to more easily achieve remission? Personally, > that would be a very painful decision. > Not all women will go into remission once the hormonal changes of lactation have returned to their 'normal' state. However, I did. Again, I would probably breastfeed again and if I became sick, would wean quickly. this isn't an easy decision and I think that breastmilk is of course, the best food for a baby (the average worldwide age of weaning is 4!!!). There are other concerns about breastfeeding too -- a bit off topic, but according to Theo Colburn Phd (in the book Our Stolen Future), the dioxins in the mother's body are largely stored in fat, including the high fat breastmilk. These dioxins are then dumped into the baby. One of the reasons, Colburn speculates, that breastfeeding is a good preventer of breast cancer, is that the mother loses some of her dioxins through breastmilk. Of course, the infant gets those. There are dioxins in the plastics of nipples used on bottles as well, but breastmilk is really an excellent source of transfer. Some health care activists are asking women to reconsider breastfeeding, but for now, the recommendations of most who are up on this issue is to continue breastfeeding as the benefits to the immune system may outweigh the dioxin load and actually allow teh child to fight these. In sum, the pollutants we've created are indeed are children's problems -- instantly. My book?!! Aargh. Met with the interested literary agent a couple of weeks ago. I'm on a third draft of the darn thing, mostly readjusting one character into something more complex. It shoudl be finished in December and then I hope the agent will be able to try to sell it. Thanks for asking!!!! Continuing my off topic ramble, I also wrote a short 8 page story related to the pyschological aspects of the current war on terrorism. I'm going to transform this into a first person narrative, but if anyone wants a copy through email, I'd love to have people actually read some of my work right now; since the magazine I used to write for went under, I've missed having an audience other than neighors! If you want a copy, let me know privately at: petri017@... I'll copy it into the body of the email itself. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2001 Report Share Posted October 26, 2001 Holly, That's really a highly individual decision. Check with your doc. Some people seem to tolerate one drug better than another. For example, I developed liver disease from PTU and the endo with whom I consulted said that he wouldn't take that particular reaction to mean I didn't tolerate all ATDs, just PTU. He said he'd have me take tap and give that a shot (but I went into remission). For me personally, I would have to try tapazole if I become hyper again. I do know a couple of people throught out the past three years who have decided to take tapazole solely because of PTU's classification as a probable carcinogen. But I'd check that out with your doctor and see what he/she thinks. B Re: endo appt/ pregnancy and GD & some OT > > > > > OK, what is the bottom line with this? If my clock was ticking, if I were > > unexpectedly pregnant, it's good to know that things quite possibly could > > turn out well. But what's the best for all concerned? > > > > * PTU is better for a pregnant and lactating woman than Tapazole. But how > > good is it really? And what if a pregnant > > woman finds herself unable to tolerate PTU? (Is this where surgery > > comes in?) > > Yes, if you're pregnant and taking PTU and discover you're intolerant, your > thyroid will be surgically removed, hopefully around the fourth month > (that's the ideal time for the fetus. > > But this question of how good is PTU really, and what's the best for all > concerned -- this really gets me going. Without question, the rare but > potentially horrid adverse affects of tapazole make tap a risky drug (the > fetus can develop a rare condition in which the skin on the scalp doesn't > grow correctly, exposing the brain orsomething horrific like that--but it's > rare). However, PTU is classified as a 'probable carcinogen " by the US > department of Health and Human Services. As far as I know, ob/gyns and > endos are NOT telling this to their pregnant patients. My own endo had no > idea. I've mentioned this many times and the link to the government report > should be in the archives; I can dig it out and send it again if someone > wants to see this. Remember, estrogen also shares this classification - > estrogen serves a vital purpose in our bodies, but too much is now suspected > of contributing to cancer. According to one study, 4 people of 350 who > took PTU developed thyroid cancer; large doses of PTU caused thyroid cancer > in rats. > > There have been NO studies on the longterm health of fetuses who were > exposed to PTU. We really don't know what the drug does to the developing > baby. We do know that there appear to be no immediate adverse affects -- > newborns are fine, babies are fine etc. We also know that untreated > hyperthyroidism can be damaging and deadly to both mother and baby. > > That's the picture. If I decide to have another baby and became > hyperthyroid again, if the situation were dire, I would probably take PTU. > But I would not take the drug blindly or lightly, and would not believe all > would be 'fine' simply because this is the drug of choice. It is a choice > with uncertainties and with the tag of 'probable carcinogen' being given to > a developing baby. If this drug causes cancer in lab rats, it makes me > angry and sad that we haven't figured out if this drug may adversely affect > a baby in the longterm. > > > > * Even if a one can take PTU while breastfeeding there is powerful > > anecdotal evidence (, help me out here. [And > > what's happening with " Prairie Rat? " ]) that achieving hormonal stasis > > can be very helpful for Grave's patients. Would a > > pregnant woman just do well to psyche herself up to not breastfeeding > > to more easily achieve remission? Personally, > > that would be a very painful decision. > > > > Not all women will go into remission once the hormonal changes of lactation > have returned to their 'normal' state. However, I did. Again, I would > probably breastfeed again and if I became sick, would wean quickly. this > isn't an easy decision and I think that breastmilk is of course, the best > food for a baby (the average worldwide age of weaning is 4!!!). There are > other concerns about breastfeeding too -- a bit off topic, but according to > Theo Colburn Phd (in the book Our Stolen Future), the dioxins in the > mother's body are largely stored in fat, including the high fat breastmilk. > These dioxins are then dumped into the baby. One of the reasons, Colburn > speculates, that breastfeeding is a good preventer of breast cancer, is that > the mother loses some of her dioxins through breastmilk. Of course, the > infant gets those. There are dioxins in the plastics of nipples used on > bottles as well, but breastmilk is really an excellent source of transfer. > Some health care activists are asking women to reconsider breastfeeding, but > for now, the recommendations of most who are up on this issue is to continue > breastfeeding as the benefits to the immune system may outweigh the dioxin > load and actually allow teh child to fight these. In sum, the pollutants > we've created are indeed are children's problems -- instantly. > > My book?!! Aargh. Met with the interested literary agent a couple of weeks > ago. I'm on a third draft of the darn thing, mostly readjusting one > character into something more complex. It shoudl be finished in December > and then I hope the agent will be able to try to sell it. Thanks for > asking!!!! Continuing my off topic ramble, I also wrote a short 8 page > story related to the pyschological aspects of the current war on terrorism. > I'm going to transform this into a first person narrative, but if anyone > wants a copy through email, I'd love to have people actually read some of my > work right now; since the magazine I used to write for went under, I've > missed having an audience other than neighors! > > If you want a copy, let me know privately at: > petri017@... > > I'll copy it into the body of the email itself. > > B > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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