Re: I need to whine and cry and feel abused.

[Guest guest]

Dear Topper,

I take Omega 3, 1000mg a day.

I get mine from Healthy and Essential

http://www.healthyandessential.co.uk/

I buy it online. It is purified, so guaranteed to be

free of heavy metals etc.

This is a big dose - usually it is recommended to take

500mg a day.

There is much information on Omega 3 here

http://www.fabresearch.org/view_item.aspx

I am interested that Omega 3 is being trialled in the

treatment of ADHD, there is also some thinking that

ADHD can be caused by an inbalance of Thyroid hormone

in the brain.

--- topper2@... wrote:

> You know how sometimes you just want to quit the

> game and go home???

>

> I just need to ramble and get some stuff out of

> me... so if you're short

> on time or not having problems with adjusting

> dosages or just don't feel

> like joining me in my pity party....

>

> Just skip over this one....

>

> Topper ()

>

> I've had trouble with adjusting to thyroid hormone

> adjustments since day

> one... My body just doesn't do well with additions,

> even if I need them.

>

> I increased my dosage last Wednesday, according to

> my labs, and how I

> feel, I need more. I've been at 3 1/2 grain of

> generic natural since last

> fall.... I added 1/2 grain (1/4 tab) every other

> day, starting

> Wednesday... So I had it Wednesday, Friday and

> yesterday...

>

> I'm a basket case... yesterday I had two dizzy

> spells. Got the chills.

> I've got muscle twitches in my upper lip and my

> right triceps..... I'm

> anxious... hungry, ravenous, but have ZERO

> motivation. I even went to

> lay down this morning. I usually wake between five

> and six am... at 8:30

> I went to go lay down... I wasn't tired.. I didn't

> sleep.. didn't turn on

> the TV. Didn't do anything... just laid flat on my

> back and closed my

> eyes and just laid there.. didn't even day dream...

> At about 9:30 I got

> up and tried to get my day going but my body just

> doesn't want to do...

>

> I've had this before... and I know I'll work through

> it... but it's just

> so frustrating... today I got the added pleasure of

> a sore neck (maybe a

> lymph gland) and a toothache, on the other side. The

> teeth, I have

> trouble with them a lot... so it might just be all

> coincidental... but

> geez.... I'm really feeling bummed right now and I

> can't be this way... I

> have work to do... So I figured I just blow here for

> a while.. get all

> the stuff out of me to see in the light of day and

> remind myself that

> this is just something I have to adjust to.

>

> I do realize that even at every other day this

> increase is too much for

> my system... so I'm cutting it down.. Right after I

> finish spewing here

> I'm getting out my pill boxes and setting everything

> up so that the

> increase is smaller.

>

> Right now I've increased by 1/2 grain (1/4 tab)

> every other day... so

> that's 19 mcg T4 and 4.5 mcg T3 for the equivalent

> of 37 mcg of T4. I'm

> going to be replacing that with 25 mcg of synthetic

> T4 (1/4 tab) taken

> every third day. So that will be going from an

> average of 18.5 per day

> to 8.33 per day... maybe my bod can handle that

> better. So I'll redo my

> pill boxes to start with that on Thursday... and

> stay at my old dose of 3

> 1/2 grain of natural until then.

>

> I'm ordering more adrenal, and picking up more iron

> and Selenium. I'm

> picking up more multis so that I have them when this

> bottle runs out,

> roughly three weeks, I've not actually counted the

> pills... and I'm

> seriously considering picking up some more Omega 3

> and doubling my dose

> on that. Iron is the only thing that I've been

> totally out of... but I've

> cut back on my selenium and adrenal to make them

> stretch until I could

> buy more.....

>

> If anyone spots an error in my Math.. point it out

> to me...

>

> If anyone has comments on the Omega 3.. let me

> know... I know a few

> people on the same brand that I take that are taking

> three caps a day...

> I take one...

>

> sigh

>

> I think I feel better now.. It helps a lot to know

> that I'm not alone in

> this...

>

> I've gone through this before... but that don't make

> it any easier, even

> now that I understand it...

>

> Thanks for being there guys/gals/everyone!!!

>

> Topper ()

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Dear Topper,

I take Omega 3, 1000mg a day.

I get mine from Healthy and Essential

http://www.healthyandessential.co.uk/

I buy it online. It is purified, so guaranteed to be

free of heavy metals etc.

This is a big dose - usually it is recommended to take

500mg a day.

There is much information on Omega 3 here

http://www.fabresearch.org/view_item.aspx

I am interested that Omega 3 is being trialled in the

treatment of ADHD, there is also some thinking that

ADHD can be caused by an inbalance of Thyroid hormone

in the brain.

--- topper2@... wrote:

> You know how sometimes you just want to quit the

> game and go home???

>

> I just need to ramble and get some stuff out of

> me... so if you're short

> on time or not having problems with adjusting

> dosages or just don't feel

> like joining me in my pity party....

>

> Just skip over this one....

>

> Topper ()

>

> I've had trouble with adjusting to thyroid hormone

> adjustments since day

> one... My body just doesn't do well with additions,

> even if I need them.

>

> I increased my dosage last Wednesday, according to

> my labs, and how I

> feel, I need more. I've been at 3 1/2 grain of

> generic natural since last

> fall.... I added 1/2 grain (1/4 tab) every other

> day, starting

> Wednesday... So I had it Wednesday, Friday and

> yesterday...

>

> I'm a basket case... yesterday I had two dizzy

> spells. Got the chills.

> I've got muscle twitches in my upper lip and my

> right triceps..... I'm

> anxious... hungry, ravenous, but have ZERO

> motivation. I even went to

> lay down this morning. I usually wake between five

> and six am... at 8:30

> I went to go lay down... I wasn't tired.. I didn't

> sleep.. didn't turn on

> the TV. Didn't do anything... just laid flat on my

> back and closed my

> eyes and just laid there.. didn't even day dream...

> At about 9:30 I got

> up and tried to get my day going but my body just

> doesn't want to do...

>

> I've had this before... and I know I'll work through

> it... but it's just

> so frustrating... today I got the added pleasure of

> a sore neck (maybe a

> lymph gland) and a toothache, on the other side. The

> teeth, I have

> trouble with them a lot... so it might just be all

> coincidental... but

> geez.... I'm really feeling bummed right now and I

> can't be this way... I

> have work to do... So I figured I just blow here for

> a while.. get all

> the stuff out of me to see in the light of day and

> remind myself that

> this is just something I have to adjust to.

>

> I do realize that even at every other day this

> increase is too much for

> my system... so I'm cutting it down.. Right after I

> finish spewing here

> I'm getting out my pill boxes and setting everything

> up so that the

> increase is smaller.

>

> Right now I've increased by 1/2 grain (1/4 tab)

> every other day... so

> that's 19 mcg T4 and 4.5 mcg T3 for the equivalent

> of 37 mcg of T4. I'm

> going to be replacing that with 25 mcg of synthetic

> T4 (1/4 tab) taken

> every third day. So that will be going from an

> average of 18.5 per day

> to 8.33 per day... maybe my bod can handle that

> better. So I'll redo my

> pill boxes to start with that on Thursday... and

> stay at my old dose of 3

> 1/2 grain of natural until then.

>

> I'm ordering more adrenal, and picking up more iron

> and Selenium. I'm

> picking up more multis so that I have them when this

> bottle runs out,

> roughly three weeks, I've not actually counted the

> pills... and I'm

> seriously considering picking up some more Omega 3

> and doubling my dose

> on that. Iron is the only thing that I've been

> totally out of... but I've

> cut back on my selenium and adrenal to make them

> stretch until I could

> buy more.....

>

> If anyone spots an error in my Math.. point it out

> to me...

>

> If anyone has comments on the Omega 3.. let me

> know... I know a few

> people on the same brand that I take that are taking

> three caps a day...

> I take one...

>

> sigh

>

> I think I feel better now.. It helps a lot to know

> that I'm not alone in

> this...

>

> I've gone through this before... but that don't make

> it any easier, even

> now that I understand it...

>

> Thanks for being there guys/gals/everyone!!!

>

> Topper ()

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi . I am probably too new at this to offer advice, but I want

you to know I really can understand your frustration. It stinks to

have to keep readjusting to feel halfway decent. I can tell you I

have had many of the symptoms you describe when I recently increased

my Armour (very small increase) but they subsided in a few days.

I hope you can get things straightened out very soon. You are

definitely not alone. You are such a wonderful help to me and all

the others here, and I thank you!

> You know how sometimes you just want to quit the game and go home???

>

> I just need to ramble and get some stuff out of me... so if you're

short

> on time or not having problems with adjusting dosages or just don't

feel

> like joining me in my pity party....

>

> Just skip over this one....

>

> Topper ()

>

> I've had trouble with adjusting to thyroid hormone adjustments

since day

> one... My body just doesn't do well with additions, even if I need

them.

>

> I increased my dosage last Wednesday, according to my labs, and how

I

> feel, I need more. I've been at 3 1/2 grain of generic natural

since last

> fall.... I added 1/2 grain (1/4 tab) every other day, starting

> Wednesday... So I had it Wednesday, Friday and yesterday...

>

> I'm a basket case... yesterday I had two dizzy spells. Got the

chills.

> I've got muscle twitches in my upper lip and my right triceps.....

I'm

> anxious... hungry, ravenous, but have ZERO motivation. I even went

to

> lay down this morning. I usually wake between five and six am... at

8:30

> I went to go lay down... I wasn't tired.. I didn't sleep.. didn't

turn on

> the TV. Didn't do anything... just laid flat on my back and closed

my

> eyes and just laid there.. didn't even day dream... At about 9:30

I got

> up and tried to get my day going but my body just doesn't want to

do...

>

> I've had this before... and I know I'll work through it... but it's

just

> so frustrating... today I got the added pleasure of a sore neck

(maybe a

> lymph gland) and a toothache, on the other side. The teeth, I have

> trouble with them a lot... so it might just be all coincidental...

but

> geez.... I'm really feeling bummed right now and I can't be this

way... I

> have work to do... So I figured I just blow here for a while.. get

all

> the stuff out of me to see in the light of day and remind myself

that

> this is just something I have to adjust to.

>

> I do realize that even at every other day this increase is too much

for

> my system... so I'm cutting it down.. Right after I finish spewing

here

> I'm getting out my pill boxes and setting everything up so that the

> increase is smaller.

>

> Right now I've increased by 1/2 grain (1/4 tab) every other day...

so

> that's 19 mcg T4 and 4.5 mcg T3 for the equivalent of 37 mcg of T4.

I'm

> going to be replacing that with 25 mcg of synthetic T4 (1/4 tab)

taken

> every third day. So that will be going from an average of 18.5 per

day

> to 8.33 per day... maybe my bod can handle that better. So I'll

redo my

> pill boxes to start with that on Thursday... and stay at my old

dose of 3

> 1/2 grain of natural until then.

>

> I'm ordering more adrenal, and picking up more iron and Selenium.

I'm

> picking up more multis so that I have them when this bottle runs

out,

> roughly three weeks, I've not actually counted the pills... and I'm

> seriously considering picking up some more Omega 3 and doubling my

dose

> on that. Iron is the only thing that I've been totally out of...

but I've

> cut back on my selenium and adrenal to make them stretch until I

could

> buy more.....

>

> If anyone spots an error in my Math.. point it out to me...

>

> If anyone has comments on the Omega 3.. let me know... I know a few

> people on the same brand that I take that are taking three caps a

day...

> I take one...

>

> sigh

>

> I think I feel better now.. It helps a lot to know that I'm not

alone in

> this...

>

> I've gone through this before... but that don't make it any easier,

even

> now that I understand it...

>

> Thanks for being there guys/gals/everyone!!!

>

> Topper ()

[Guest guest]

**hugs** For ya Topper.

More on this later, I'm barely breathing today myself.

in LA

[Guest guest]

--- lymebytes wrote:

>

> Hi . I am probably too new at this to offer

> advice, but I want

> you to know I really can understand your

> frustration. It stinks to

> have to keep readjusting to feel halfway decent. I

> can tell you I

> have had many of the symptoms you describe when I

> recently increased

> my Armour (very small increase) but they subsided in

> a few days.

>

> I hope you can get things straightened out very

> soon. You are

> definitely not alone. You are such a wonderful help

> to me and all

> the others here, and I thank you!

>

I have to second the thoughts of you being a wonderful

help to all of us here. I'm just sitting here

thinking that my 1/2 grain increase was definitely

needed since I've had no hyper type symptoms at all.

My next bloodwork will be March 28th and I'll

definitely let y'all know how it looks then.

=====

Kathy >^,,^<

KitzCat146@...

http://www.chaytongroup.com/modernbill/order/index.php?aid=ka081104

http://www.heartwarmers4u.com/members/?kitzcat

kitzcat2001 on Yahoo Messenger

kitzcat on MSN Messenger

In a cat's eyes, all things belong to cats. - English Proverb

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Thanks, ... are you still trying to beat your sick???

Feel better... okay?

Topper ()

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:28:32 -0800 writes:

**hugs** For ya Topper.More on this later, I'm barely breathing today myself. in LA

[Guest guest]

I'm taking 1000 mg a day too.... so..... 500 is the 'standard' dose.... I wonder if it's a good idea to take more?

I'll run down the list of stuff I'm on now... would love to hear comments, I'm not gonna go look up all the amounts... just list what I'm taking.

Omega 3, single dose

B-complex - quarter the tabs, take one quarter with four of my mini meals

B-12 - quarter the tabs, take one quarter with four of my mini meals

vitamin C - quarter the tabs, take one quarter with four of my mini meals

Selenium - quarter the tabs, take one quarter with four of my mini meals

Multi vitamins - quarter the tabs, take one quarter with four of my mini meals

Vitamin E, single dose

Calcium, single dose

low dose aspirin, single dose ( started that when I thought I had blood clots in my legs, that turned out to be lymphedema)

.... and, of course, thyroid and adrenal glandular

I'll be adding iron back into the mix.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:17:41 -0800 (PST) writes:

Dear Topper,I take Omega 3, 1000mg a day.I get mine from Healthy and Essentialhttp://www.healthyandessential.co.uk/I buy it online. It is purified, so guaranteed to befree of heavy metals etc.This is a big dose - usually it is recommended to take500mg a day. There is much information on Omega 3 herehttp://www.fabresearch.org/view_item.aspxI am interested that Omega 3 is being trialled in thetreatment of ADHD, there is also some thinking thatADHD can be caused by an inbalance of Thyroid hormonein the brain.

[Guest guest]

Oh, Donna, if it was only 10 minutes it would be a breeze.. but for me... this is long term... the small percentage of us that have bodies that go berserk when you change things...

sigh

but I'm gonna make it this time, and the next time and the next 20 dosage changes if that is what its gonna take... cause I can walk without crutches and I can wash my hair and use conditioner again... and I can stand up at the sink to wash dishes.... I'm gonna get even BETTER!!!!

happy happy joy joy dancing around the computers!!!

You guys are all so great for keeping me from tipping over... I need to stand up tall for this one.... couldn't do it without ya!!!

*smile*

We're gonna have to have a pig roast bbq party when I get optimal.. we have a pig roaster in the back yard!!!!! I'll get to bake all my goodies for everyone... I LOVE to cook and bake!!!

Topper ()

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:14:16 -0800 "Donna " writes:

Well, since I can't help you with your math or meds adjustments...maybe I can at least let you know I read every word...I always learn something from you and just remember....you can do anything for 10 minutes. That's what I've always told myself on anything I find hard. "I can live through anything for 10 minutes". Just funny how those minutes stack up on each other and you get through another day.

Stay strong...keep your eye on the end result....raving on here, as I understand it, is perfectly acceptable. So...rave, rant and whine as much as you like. I even learn from that, too.

Hugs

Donna

[Guest guest]

Well, since I can't help you with your math or meds adjustments...maybe I can at least let you know I read every word...I always learn something from you and just remember....you can do anything for 10 minutes. That's what I've always told myself on anything I find hard. "I can live through anything for 10 minutes". Just funny how those minutes stack up on each other and you get through another day.

Stay strong...keep your eye on the end result....raving on here, as I understand it, is perfectly acceptable. So...rave, rant and whine as much as you like. I even learn from that, too.

Hugs

Donna

I need to whine and cry and feel abused.

You know how sometimes you just want to quit the game and go home???I just need to ramble and get some stuff out of me... so if you're shorton time or not having problems with adjusting dosages or just don't feellike joining me in my pity party....Just skip over this one....Topper ()

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Dawn... I'm feeling better.. I had to get my head back into the right place and remember that sometimes you have to put some effort into feeling better.... Makes a huge difference to have that all straight..... AND to know that others understand.. that you're not crazy...

Yep.. what I take has the 6 and 9 in it too.....

Our weather has been getting a bit better.. and I got some extra work in last week... so money that was not expected.. that means replenishing the supplements that I'm running out of.....

I'll just keep reminding myself.. this is a GOOD transition.. just a bit hard.

I've cut down the dose...and as soon as I can get my order in I'll be increasing my adrenal supps to handle the increased load from the new thyroid dose.

Things are looking up... just have to remember.. not get confused or frustrated when it doesn't just fall right into place.

Topper ()

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:06:22 -0800 (PST) dawn prince writes:

Hi ,

Hate to hear how you are feeling right now and just want you to know that we are all thinking of you as you go through this transition. Think it is a good idea to bring it back down again as your poor bod has been through so much it is not surprising that it is having a say in what you are doing. Can I ask what is in your Omega 3? Does it include 6 and 9? That is what I take and it is my understanding that they kind of work together. I wonder if it is the time of year that you are feeling tired as well, I for one have been getting more and more exhausted for the past week. There again it might be that I am relieved that I have someone who is listening to me and going to do something to help me but I know that I haven't felt this tired for a long time. Let's put it down to winter blues, especially as we have a storm going on outside. Take care and love your bod

Dawn

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dawn... I'm feeling better.. I had to get my head back into the right place and remember that sometimes you have to put some effort into feeling better.... Makes a huge difference to have that all straight..... AND to know that others understand.. that you're not crazy...

Yep.. what I take has the 6 and 9 in it too.....

Our weather has been getting a bit better.. and I got some extra work in last week... so money that was not expected.. that means replenishing the supplements that I'm running out of.....

I'll just keep reminding myself.. this is a GOOD transition.. just a bit hard.

I've cut down the dose...and as soon as I can get my order in I'll be increasing my adrenal supps to handle the increased load from the new thyroid dose.

Things are looking up... just have to remember.. not get confused or frustrated when it doesn't just fall right into place.

Topper ()

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:06:22 -0800 (PST) dawn prince writes:

Hi ,

Hate to hear how you are feeling right now and just want you to know that we are all thinking of you as you go through this transition. Think it is a good idea to bring it back down again as your poor bod has been through so much it is not surprising that it is having a say in what you are doing. Can I ask what is in your Omega 3? Does it include 6 and 9? That is what I take and it is my understanding that they kind of work together. I wonder if it is the time of year that you are feeling tired as well, I for one have been getting more and more exhausted for the past week. There again it might be that I am relieved that I have someone who is listening to me and going to do something to help me but I know that I haven't felt this tired for a long time. Let's put it down to winter blues, especially as we have a storm going on outside. Take care and love your bod

Dawn

[Guest guest]

Can't wait to hear what your new tests show... I'm jealous of those that can increase easily.... but... well.. that's part of how we are all so very different. right??

Topper ()

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:29:47 -0800 (PST) Kathy Kitzcat writes:

I have to second the thoughts of you being a wonderfulhelp to all of us here. I'm just sitting herethinking that my 1/2 grain increase was definitelyneeded since I've had no hyper type symptoms at all. My next bloodwork will be March 28th and I'lldefinitely let y'all know how it looks then.=====Kathy >^,,^<KitzCat146@...

[Guest guest]

,

Heaven knows you listen to us dump everything under the sun on you everyday. That is what we are here for. You always support us, so now it is our time to support you. I for sure don't have the answers, but I sure can say an extra prayer for you everyday.

Hang in there,

Jeannie

I need to whine and cry and feel abused.

You know how sometimes you just want to quit the game and go home???I just need to ramble and get some stuff out of me... so if you're shorton time or not having problems with adjusting dosages or just don't feellike joining me in my pity party....Just skip over this one....Topper ()I've had trouble with adjusting to thyroid hormone adjustments since dayone... My body just doesn't do well with additions, even if I need them.I increased my dosage last Wednesday, according to my labs, and how Ifeel, I need more. I've been at 3 1/2 grain of generic natural since lastfall.... I added 1/2 grain (1/4 tab) every other day, startingWednesday... So I had it Wednesday, Friday and yesterday...I'm a basket case... yesterday I had two dizzy spells. Got the chills.I've got muscle twitches in my upper lip and my right triceps..... I'manxious... hungry, ravenous, but have ZERO motivation. I even went tolay down this morning. I usually wake between five and six am... at 8:30I went to go lay down... I wasn't tired.. I didn't sleep.. didn't turn onthe TV. Didn't do anything... just laid flat on my back and closed myeyes and just laid there.. didn't even day dream... At about 9:30 I gotup and tried to get my day going but my body just doesn't want to do...I've had this before... and I know I'll work through it... but it's justso frustrating... today I got the added pleasure of a sore neck (maybe alymph gland) and a toothache, on the other side. The teeth, I havetrouble with them a lot... so it might just be all coincidental... butgeez.... I'm really feeling bummed right now and I can't be this way... Ihave work to do... So I figured I just blow here for a while.. get allthe stuff out of me to see in the light of day and remind myself thatthis is just something I have to adjust to. I do realize that even at every other day this increase is too much formy system... so I'm cutting it down.. Right after I finish spewing hereI'm getting out my pill boxes and setting everything up so that theincrease is smaller.Right now I've increased by 1/2 grain (1/4 tab) every other day... sothat's 19 mcg T4 and 4.5 mcg T3 for the equivalent of 37 mcg of T4. I'mgoing to be replacing that with 25 mcg of synthetic T4 (1/4 tab) takenevery third day. So that will be going from an average of 18.5 per dayto 8.33 per day... maybe my bod can handle that better. So I'll redo mypill boxes to start with that on Thursday... and stay at my old dose of 31/2 grain of natural until then.I'm ordering more adrenal, and picking up more iron and Selenium. I'mpicking up more multis so that I have them when this bottle runs out,roughly three weeks, I've not actually counted the pills... and I'mseriously considering picking up some more Omega 3 and doubling my doseon that. Iron is the only thing that I've been totally out of... but I'vecut back on my selenium and adrenal to make them stretch until I couldbuy more.....If anyone spots an error in my Math.. point it out to me...If anyone has comments on the Omega 3.. let me know... I know a fewpeople on the same brand that I take that are taking three caps a day...I take one... sighI think I feel better now.. It helps a lot to know that I'm not alone inthis... I've gone through this before... but that don't make it any easier, evennow that I understand it...Thanks for being there guys/gals/everyone!!!Topper ()

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,

Heaven knows you listen to us dump everything under the sun on you everyday. That is what we are here for. You always support us, so now it is our time to support you. I for sure don't have the answers, but I sure can say an extra prayer for you everyday.

Hang in there,

Jeannie

I need to whine and cry and feel abused.

You know how sometimes you just want to quit the game and go home???I just need to ramble and get some stuff out of me... so if you're shorton time or not having problems with adjusting dosages or just don't feellike joining me in my pity party....Just skip over this one....Topper ()I've had trouble with adjusting to thyroid hormone adjustments since dayone... My body just doesn't do well with additions, even if I need them.I increased my dosage last Wednesday, according to my labs, and how Ifeel, I need more. I've been at 3 1/2 grain of generic natural since lastfall.... I added 1/2 grain (1/4 tab) every other day, startingWednesday... So I had it Wednesday, Friday and yesterday...I'm a basket case... yesterday I had two dizzy spells. Got the chills.I've got muscle twitches in my upper lip and my right triceps..... I'manxious... hungry, ravenous, but have ZERO motivation. I even went tolay down this morning. I usually wake between five and six am... at 8:30I went to go lay down... I wasn't tired.. I didn't sleep.. didn't turn onthe TV. Didn't do anything... just laid flat on my back and closed myeyes and just laid there.. didn't even day dream... At about 9:30 I gotup and tried to get my day going but my body just doesn't want to do...I've had this before... and I know I'll work through it... but it's justso frustrating... today I got the added pleasure of a sore neck (maybe alymph gland) and a toothache, on the other side. The teeth, I havetrouble with them a lot... so it might just be all coincidental... butgeez.... I'm really feeling bummed right now and I can't be this way... Ihave work to do... So I figured I just blow here for a while.. get allthe stuff out of me to see in the light of day and remind myself thatthis is just something I have to adjust to. I do realize that even at every other day this increase is too much formy system... so I'm cutting it down.. Right after I finish spewing hereI'm getting out my pill boxes and setting everything up so that theincrease is smaller.Right now I've increased by 1/2 grain (1/4 tab) every other day... sothat's 19 mcg T4 and 4.5 mcg T3 for the equivalent of 37 mcg of T4. I'mgoing to be replacing that with 25 mcg of synthetic T4 (1/4 tab) takenevery third day. So that will be going from an average of 18.5 per dayto 8.33 per day... maybe my bod can handle that better. So I'll redo mypill boxes to start with that on Thursday... and stay at my old dose of 31/2 grain of natural until then.I'm ordering more adrenal, and picking up more iron and Selenium. I'mpicking up more multis so that I have them when this bottle runs out,roughly three weeks, I've not actually counted the pills... and I'mseriously considering picking up some more Omega 3 and doubling my doseon that. Iron is the only thing that I've been totally out of... but I'vecut back on my selenium and adrenal to make them stretch until I couldbuy more.....If anyone spots an error in my Math.. point it out to me...If anyone has comments on the Omega 3.. let me know... I know a fewpeople on the same brand that I take that are taking three caps a day...I take one... sighI think I feel better now.. It helps a lot to know that I'm not alone inthis... I've gone through this before... but that don't make it any easier, evennow that I understand it...Thanks for being there guys/gals/everyone!!!Topper ()

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I didnt' want to dig out the numbers last night...

Here's the list... Open to comments, see something that I'm missing... I can't afford to add to much.. I did CoQ-10 for a while but didn't notice much difference and it's pricey.....

Topper ()

Omega 3, 1,000 mg single dose

B-complex - quarter the tabs, take one quarter with four of my mini meals

tab contains:

B1 - 50 mg

B2 - 50 mg

Niacin - 50 mg

B6 - 50 mg

Folic Acid - 400 mcg

B12 - 50 mg

Biotin - 50 mcg

Pantothenic Acid - 50 mg

B-12 - quarter the tabs, take one quarter with four of my mini meals

whole tab contains 1000 mcg

vitamin C - quarter the tabs, take one quarter with four of my mini meals

whole tab contains 500 mcg

Selenium - quarter the tabs, take one quarter with four of my mini meals

whole tab contains 100 mcg

Multi vitamins - quarter the tabs, take one quarter with four of my mini meals

Changing back to a Members Mark brand that contains roughly 200 % of the basics with no iron and several herbs

Vitamin E, single dose

whole capsule contains 400 I.U.

Calcium, single dose

whole tab contains 500 mg

low dose aspirin, single dose ( started that when I thought I had blood clots in my legs, that turned out to be lymphedema)

.... and, of course, thyroid and adrenal glandular

I'll be adding iron back into the mix.

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 06:28:58 -0800 (PST) dawn prince writes:

Hi ,

You don't mention the values of the vits: etc that you are taking. MG? MCG?

Dawn

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>>Here's the list... Open to comments, see something that I'm missing... I can't afford to add to much.. I did CoQ-10 for a while but didn't notice much difference and it's pricey.....<<

I see one thing glaringly that is missing. Most us hypos are also Estrogen Dominant. You definitely should have some Progesterone Cream on your list! I will help get rid of excess Estrogen which binds thyroid hormones. It also helps balance you through the menopause. I get mine from www.myhealthcoop.com it is cheap! And seems to be working for me as well as alot more expensive ones did.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVOld aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals

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I have a jar here but I've not yet started using it...

Kinda chicken....

that's sounds weird.. I'm confident with thyroid and adrenal and DHEA.. but the progesterone cream makes me nervous??

I'm laughing at myself right now... bit time!!!

hehehehehehe

I'll have to wait for my next period... I remember you start it in reference to that....

Thanks Val... I needed the nudge!

hehehehe

Topper ()

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:16:21 -0500 " " writes:

>>Here's the list... Open to comments, see something that I'm missing... I can't afford to add to much.. I did CoQ-10 for a while but didn't notice much difference and it's pricey.....<<

I see one thing glaringly that is missing. Most us hypos are also Estrogen Dominant. You definitely should have some Progesterone Cream on your list! I will help get rid of excess Estrogen which binds thyroid hormones. It also helps balance you through the menopause. I get mine from www.myhealthcoop.com it is cheap! And seems to be working for me as well as alot more expensive ones did.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVOld aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals

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>>those of us that are on the other side? <<

YES! Especially us! LOL I am also on the other side.. well I was surgically neutered when I was 27 and I am 50 now so I am WAY past menopause! LOL I started taking the Progesterone cream in order to wean myself off Premarin about 8 years ago. I HAD to stay on it for a long time as I really didn;t do well with no estrogen & the soy formulas didn;t work for me at all for a long time. Now I no longer need the Estrogen but the Progesterone cream keeps me from leaking, and keeps me cool at night, and keeps my temper in check.. which I really need as I am a true redhead! LOL

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVOld aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals

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You can order it online from www.ourhealthcoop.com That is the cheapest I have found that works. I just scoop out about 1/2 to 3/4 TSP. and rub it on my thighs every AM. Or PM when ever I remember!

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVOld aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals

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<<that's sounds weird.. I'm confident with thyroid and adrenal

and DHEA.. but the progesterone cream makes me nervous??>>

Hi everyone, I have been crazed at work but still catching

up with everyone on here – this one caught my eye. I have long suspected

this was one of my problems but I was advised against just going out and

getting this cream since it can have side effects, for instance be potentially

deadly to someone like me who is susceptible to blood clots. Anyone else ever

hear that?

(Hi

to all the other Carols on here now – I am so used to being the only

Carol wherever I go – nice to know there are others. So I will sign off

as:

Carol

P in LA

From: topper2@...

Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:22

AM

To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

Subject: Re:

I need to whine and cry and feel abused.

I have a jar here but I've not yet started using it...

Kinda chicken....

that's sounds weird.. I'm confident with thyroid and adrenal and DHEA..

but the progesterone cream makes me nervous??

I'm laughing at myself right now... bit time!!!

hehehehehehe

I'll have to wait for my next period... I remember you start it in

reference to that....

Thanks Val... I needed the nudge!

hehehehe

Topper ()

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:16:21 -0500 " "

writes:

>>Here's the list... Open to comments, see something that I'm

missing... I can't afford to add to much.. I did CoQ-10 for a while but didn't

notice much difference and it's pricey.....<<

I see one thing glaringly that is

missing. Most us hypos are also Estrogen Dominant. You definitely should have

some Progesterone Cream on your list! I will help get rid of excess

Estrogen which binds thyroid hormones. It also helps balance you through the

menopause. I get mine from www.myhealthcoop.com

it is cheap! And seems to be working for me as well as alot more expensive ones

did.

*Artistic Grooming *

Hurricane, WV

Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and

cackling, telling me, " You're next. " They stopped after I

started doing the

same thing to them at funerals

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Hmmmm, I've never heard of a risk of clots.... maybe those that know more can share a bit more with those of us that are considering???

I'm here to learn too, you know!!! hehehehehehe

I'm used to being one of MANY s.. that's why I got into the habit of using my screen name too... so that it's easy to tell which I am.... and by adding the and not just the screen name, you know, too, that I'm a female type person and not some grizzly ole pervert!

.... well... I guess I still could be a grizzly ole pervert.... Hey... Carol in MN, you've seen me in person... and so has Cheryl in Fridley..... and , you've talked with me on the phone a few times.... I'm not a grizzly ole male pervert, am I? And my cousin Kristi is here too.. lurking in the shadows.... she's known me for years and years... I'm not a grizzly ole pervert... I'm not... I'm not!!! eeeekkkkkkkkkkk

hehehehehehe

Okay... I'm past all the sillies now...

I'm feeling pretty good today... I was absolutely ravenous though... so I stuffed my gut.. that got rid of the weirdness I was feeling... I wonder if that's a 'body memory/fear' of when I was in storm??? I wish I knew more about stuff like that..... But one good gut stuffing meal and I was just fine... now I'm back to doing my normal modest portion mini meals and quite content.

Topper ()

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:36:41 -0800 "Carol M. s" writes:

<<that's sounds weird.. I'm confident with thyroid and adrenal and DHEA.. but the progesterone cream makes me nervous??>>

Hi everyone, I have been crazed at work but still catching up with everyone on here – this one caught my eye. I have long suspected this was one of my problems but I was advised against just going out and getting this cream since it can have side effects, for instance be potentially deadly to someone like me who is susceptible to blood clots. Anyone else ever hear that?

(Hi to all the other Carols on here now – I am so used to being the only Carol wherever I go – nice to know there are others. So I will sign off as:

Carol P in LA

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grizzly ole pervert!?

Well, Pard........You DO Braid your leg hairs!

Re: I need to whine and cry and feel abused.

Hmmmm, I've never heard of a risk of clots.... maybe those that know more can share a bit more with those of us that are considering???

I'm here to learn too, you know!!! hehehehehehe

I'm used to being one of MANY s.. that's why I got into the habit of using my screen name too... so that it's easy to tell which I am.... and by adding the and not just the screen name, you know, too, that I'm a female type person and not some grizzly ole pervert!

.... well... I guess I still could be a grizzly ole pervert.... Hey... Carol in MN, you've seen me in person... and so has Cheryl in Fridley..... and , you've talked with me on the phone a few times.... I'm not a grizzly ole male pervert, am I? And my cousin Kristi is here too.. lurking in the shadows.... she's known me for years and years... I'm not a grizzly ole pervert... I'm not... I'm not!!! eeeekkkkkkkkkkk

hehehehehehe

Okay... I'm past all the sillies now...

I'm feeling pretty good today... I was absolutely ravenous though... so I stuffed my gut.. that got rid of the weirdness I was feeling... I wonder if that's a 'body memory/fear' of when I was in storm??? I wish I knew more about stuff like that..... But one good gut stuffing meal and I was just fine... now I'm back to doing my normal modest portion mini meals and quite content.

Topper ()

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:36:41 -0800 "Carol M. s" writes:

<<that's sounds weird.. I'm confident with thyroid and adrenal and DHEA.. but the progesterone cream makes me nervous??>>

Hi everyone, I have been crazed at work but still catching up with everyone on here – this one caught my eye. I have long suspected this was one of my problems but I was advised against just going out and getting this cream since it can have side effects, for instance be potentially deadly to someone like me who is susceptible to blood clots. Anyone else ever hear that?

(Hi to all the other Carols on here now – I am so used to being the only Carol wherever I go – nice to know there are others. So I will sign off as:

Carol P in LA

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Thank you, you have given me my laugh for the day here, hehe! Don't ya just love when someone says "You're next"? My mother never said these things to me because she was always SOOOO healthy and even breezed through the menopause, never noticing it. I did, however, inherit some of her wonderful genes for good cholesterols (besides the work that I've done on that myself, there really ARE genes for scads of these tendencies) and some other things. Mother never drank alcohol (but never objected or judged anyone that did) or smoked, but wasn't a prude and enjoyed life to the max, so that may have had something to do with that. She never put judgment on anyone and tried to see all the good in people. She never knew what I was talking about when it came to female hormones and the like, and she still has an intact uterus and ovaries, etc.....I wish I'd gotten it ALL from her, but, alas, there's Dad's side too, poor Dad.

Re: I need to whine and cry and feel abused.

>>Here's the list... Open to comments, see something that I'm missing... I can't afford to add to much.. I did CoQ-10 for a while but didn't notice much difference and it's pricey.....<<

I see one thing glaringly that is missing. Most us hypos are also Estrogen Dominant. You definitely should have some Progesterone Cream on your list! I will help get rid of excess Estrogen which binds thyroid hormones. It also helps balance you through the menopause. I get mine from www.myhealthcoop.com it is cheap! And seems to be working for me as well as alot more expensive ones did.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVOld aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals

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Topper

For a woman who still has periods or both ovaries intact----approximately days 16 through 25 to start. If you have severe pms, then days 12 through 26, approximately. For us women who are more than likely POST menopausal, or pretty much getting there, or have no female organs left, start with the first day of the calendar month, then leave off the last 5 days or so of the month, then resume on the next first day of the next calendar month. I got all this from Dr. Lam.com. He seems like he is really good with this, plus he touts all the info that Dr. Lee stated. He vehemently states that we should let a doctor follow us on this, but he does give a general statement on putting on only 20 mgs at a time. The pmser's he has dividing the dose and putting it on morning and at night before bed, but he has THEM sort of mimmicking the way the body would normally do it, I guess, by starting on day 12 with the tiniest bit, then increasing it a tiny bit, each day, as it comes t'wd the first day of the period, probably because these people have probably had such severe swings in both hormones (dropping off suddenly and going high suddenly), at least that's the way I see his reasoning on this. If no pms, then the routing 20 mgs. The sites are rotated, he explains, because the concentration won't be too much in any one area, from day to day. Some give directions to put it on fatty areas, like the breasts and insides of thighs, but this is wrong, from everything I've read, from site to site, and here's the reason----You want to put it on thinner skin where the blood vessels are closer to the skin because fatty areas have a tendency to hold the hormone into the fat and store it there, not distributing it through the bloodstream properly, so, the thinner part of the upper chest, the back of the neck, sides of the face (I don't put it on my face because of sensitivity there to almost anything with any fragrance in it), wrists, and, if the upper arms don't have a lot of fat, then the inner upper arms, close to the armpit area, but not IN the armpit. I don't see why we couldn't put it behind the knees, where there are blood vessels usually close to the kin also, IMO. I've also seen the explanation on his site for women getting sore breasts with progesterone, not even putting it on there directly---he says that when a woman has been without progesterone for a very long time that when we initially start the progesterone cream, we are usually "waking up" the estrogen receptors, initially, for a short period of time, but that this is a very temporary thing, as long as we're not also using estrogens with it. After everything has straightened out, so to speak, then this goes away. Never put progesterone ON the breasts, rather in the thinner area of the chest above them. It's not really that it's going to hurt a woman, but it might bring on the "awakening" of the estrogen receptors in them 10 fold. Dr. Lam has a lot more info in there that I can't recall right now, but the site is www.drlam.com. There are many good sites on this sbjct, some with varying opionions, of course.

Re: I need to whine and cry and feel abused.

I have a jar here but I've not yet started using it...

Kinda chicken....

that's sounds weird.. I'm confident with thyroid and adrenal and DHEA.. but the progesterone cream makes me nervous??

I'm laughing at myself right now... bit time!!!

hehehehehehe

I'll have to wait for my next period... I remember you start it in reference to that....

Thanks Val... I needed the nudge!

hehehehe

Topper ()

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Carol

You CAN overdo progesterone, and that's why the 20 mgs of micronized is the best formula. If your body is NOT low on progesterone (VERY likely that it is, if you're having symptoms of perimenopause or have been proven by lab; also our age DOES have plenty to do with this one, but I was proven to be completely out of it by the time I was around 34, but suspected to be way before that, after my last baby in my late 20s; I'm now 53), then you wouldn't need it, but from the midthirties or so, it likely is starting to wane and wax lower. Some people who've had the saliva tests have proven to be MUCH lower and would need a higher dose than others, but the 20 mgs is a safe bet on most women in this age group or who've been proven to be making none at an early age. Rotating the sites is best and does vary on the days it's started, according to whether or not there has been PMS or severe cramping before and during the period, uterine fibroids, and heavy periods. It IS an individual thing, and I really like www.drlam.com for this info, as he individualizes the different scenarios for this.

RE: I need to whine and cry and feel abused.

<<that's sounds weird.. I'm confident with thyroid and adrenal and DHEA.. but the progesterone cream makes me nervous??>>

Hi everyone, I have been crazed at work but still catching up with everyone on here – this one caught my eye. I have long suspected this was one of my problems but I was advised against just going out and getting this cream since it can have side effects, for instance be potentially deadly to someone like me who is susceptible to blood clots. Anyone else ever hear that?

(Hi to all the other Carols on here now – I am so used to being the only Carol wherever I go – nice to know there are others. So I will sign off as:

Carol P in LA