tv show :Nov 20 abt global kidney market

[Guest guest]

TRANSPLANT TOURISM

Thursday, November 20 at 9PM (9:30NL) on CBC TV

repeating on Passionate Eye Sunday, November 23 at 10PM & 1AM ET on CBC

Newsworld

repeating on Friday, November 28 at 10PM ET on CBC Newsworld

" I was panic stricken when they told me that I had to go on dialysis. I was

so anxious to get a kidney that I would have done anything When you're

desperate, morality goes out the window. " , 71-year-old Canadian

transplant tourist.

THE PASSIONATE EYE presents Transplant Tourism, an expose of the global

black market trade in human organs.

is a retired Canadian businessman who opted to go overseas and buy a

kidney from an anonymous donor in Turkey. Confronted with his own mortality,

and the possibility he might die waiting for a life-saving transplant here

in Canada, made a choice many people consider immoral. This

documentary reveals it's no longer just exotic sites and sounds that bring

wealthy tourists abroad, but a morally complex business of supply and

demand.

The desperately long waiting lists for transplants is fuelling an exploding

and highly lucrative underground economy-where the world's underprivileged

offer up their kidneys for sale at an alarming rate. " Before the operation I

was just a poor man, eating only, perhaps, once a day, " says Rey Arcilla,

former kidney donor in Manila. " Now I was able to have this house built

because of my kidney. "

Cameras follow Canadians with kidney disease who grapple with the

life-and-death decision to buy an organ on the black market. The documentary

travels to Turkey and the Philippines to interview kidney sellers and

brokers. In North America, doctors and bio-ethicists express their

conflicting views-some firmly against the trade and others in support of

regulating it. While addressing the provocative and ethical issues

surrounding the organ trade, in Transplant Tourism it becomes more and more

evident that the young, poor and vulnerable in the developing world are

increasingly being treated as spare body parts for the rich. " What it's done

is essentially create two populations in the world-organ givers and organ

takers, " says Scheper-, an expert in the worldwide trade in

human organs. " I see this as a kind of global social tragedy. "

Transplant Tourism is produced and directed by Vancouver-based filmmaker

Paperny, for Paperny Films in association with CBC Newsworld.

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[Guest guest]

BLACK MARKET DOCTOR????/,,,,I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THEM BEFOR,,,,,,,CRYSTAL

[Guest guest]

Thanks. That should be interesting. I actually met a doctor here who had

IgAN and eventually got a transplant that way a few years ago by travelling

to India (which may be his land of birth, not sure). I don't know what he

paid, but I heard it was $75,000 Cdn.

Pierre

tv show :Nov 20 abt global kidney market

> TRANSPLANT TOURISM

> Thursday, November 20 at 9PM (9:30NL) on CBC TV

> repeating on Passionate Eye Sunday, November 23 at 10PM & 1AM ET on CBC

> Newsworld

> repeating on Friday, November 28 at 10PM ET on CBC Newsworld

>

> " I was panic stricken when they told me that I had to go on dialysis. I

was

> so anxious to get a kidney that I would have done anything.When you're

> desperate, morality goes out the window. " , 71-year-old Canadian

> transplant tourist.

>

> THE PASSIONATE EYE presents Transplant Tourism, an expose of the global

> black market trade in human organs.

>

> is a retired Canadian businessman who opted to go overseas and buy

a

> kidney from an anonymous donor in Turkey. Confronted with his own

mortality,

> and the possibility he might die waiting for a life-saving transplant here

> in Canada, made a choice many people consider immoral. This

> documentary reveals it's no longer just exotic sites and sounds that bring

> wealthy tourists abroad, but a morally complex business of supply and

> demand.

>

> The desperately long waiting lists for transplants is fuelling an

exploding

> and highly lucrative underground economy-where the world's underprivileged

> offer up their kidneys for sale at an alarming rate. " Before the operation

I

> was just a poor man, eating only, perhaps, once a day, " says Rey Arcilla,

> former kidney donor in Manila. " Now I was able to have this house built

> because of my kidney. "

>

> Cameras follow Canadians with kidney disease who grapple with the

> life-and-death decision to buy an organ on the black market. The

documentary

> travels to Turkey and the Philippines to interview kidney sellers and

> brokers. In North America, doctors and bio-ethicists express their

> conflicting views-some firmly against the trade and others in support of

> regulating it. While addressing the provocative and ethical issues

> surrounding the organ trade, in Transplant Tourism it becomes more and

more

> evident that the young, poor and vulnerable in the developing world are

> increasingly being treated as spare body parts for the rich. " What it's

done

> is essentially create two populations in the world-organ givers and organ

> takers, " says Scheper-, an expert in the worldwide trade in

> human organs. " I see this as a kind of global social tragedy. "

>

> Transplant Tourism is produced and directed by Vancouver-based filmmaker

> Paperny, for Paperny Films in association with CBC Newsworld.

>

[Guest guest]

I saw the TV documentary on Thursday night, while I was on dialysis. It was

broadcast on the regular channel of the CBC that night. Very interesting and

worth watching if you can.

Pierre

Re: tv show :Nov 20 abt global kidney market

> Some of these people also hustle business on online dialysis boards. A

> wonderful, wonderful board in the UK came very close to going down in

flames

> ovcer this kind of stuff. The kidney salesmen would literally not shut

up.

> It made a wonderful board with lots of seasoned old timers a very ugly

place

> for a while.

>

> Cy

[Guest guest]

In China ? I am here but never heard about it. My

doctor said normally it will take years to wait a

kidney in the hospital.

Guan

--- KenS µÄÕýÎÄ£º> They can be

doctors working at regular hospitals.

> Some in China have connections with prison officials

> or organized groups who prey on poor people. They

> just want your money. Don't expect them to have the

> same moral standard as those in developed countries.

>

> I heard many people died from these types of kidney

> transplants.

>

> Ken

>

> --- cryslo864@... wrote:

> > BLACK MARKET DOCTOR????/,,,,I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF

> > THEM BEFOR,,,,,,,CRYSTAL

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

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> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi guan.

From my recollection of the TV documentary that started this thread (which I

saw a few nights ago, and will watch again tonight on CBC Newsworld (I think

this 24hour CNN-like channel is available on many US cable and satellite TV

systems)...

The main gist of it was kidney brokers in Turkey, and in the Philippines. I

don't recall any mention of China, although, I was on dialysis as I watched

it, so there were interruptions, and I could have missed something. If there

was any mention of China, it certainly wasn't the focus of the program. The

actual surgery in the Philippines was done in a private hospital as modern

as anything we have here. The whole process seemed pretty good as far as the

wealthy, kidney recipient is concerned - just like it would be done in

Western industrialized countries, although nobody appeared to do much

medical transplant evaluation beyond blood and tissue typing, and the

ability to pay. It is perhaps a little less safe and thorough from the

donor's perspective, however. They showed poor neighbourhoods where all the

healthy young men have donated a kidney via this brokerage system - as

evidenced by the large scan on their flank. The recipent pays $200,000, and

the donor gets about $2000. Who gets the rest is left to the imagination. My

understanding from watching it is that it happens in the Philippines because

it's actually not an illegal activity there, at this point anyway - but the

many there are trying to stop this " exporting " of organs. Once the tranplant

is done and the donor paid, the donors are pretty much left to their own

devices, and if they have any problems afterwards, they are out of luck,

since there is nothing like medicare.

Pierre

Re: tv show :Nov 20 abt global kidney market

> In China ? I am here but never heard about it. My

> doctor said normally it will take years to wait a

> kidney in the hospital.

>

> Guan

>

> --- KenS ???:> They can be

> doctors working at regular hospitals.

> > Some in China have connections with prison officials

> > or organized groups who prey on poor people. They

> > just want your money. Don't expect them to have the

> > same moral standard as those in developed countries.

> >

> > I heard many people died from these types of kidney

> > transplants.

> >

> > Ken

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the update Pierre -- unfortunately, I was busy Thursday and

didn't get a chance to see it. It was specifically the ino

connection that caused the kidney forum I spoke of earlier to go up in

flames.

How are you doing? The nosebleeds you mentioned a few weeks ago have been

in my mind ever since.

Cy

Re: tv show :Nov 20 abt global kidney market

>

>

> > In China ? I am here but never heard about it. My

> > doctor said normally it will take years to wait a

> > kidney in the hospital.

> >

> > Guan

> >

> > --- KenS ???:> They can be

> > doctors working at regular hospitals.

> > > Some in China have connections with prison officials

> > > or organized groups who prey on poor people. They

> > > just want your money. Don't expect them to have the

> > > same moral standard as those in developed countries.

> > >

> > > I heard many people died from these types of kidney

> > > transplants.

> > >

> > > Ken

> > >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Pierre. You are always so informative. :-)

Guan

--- " Pierre L (groups) "

µÄÕýÎÄ£º> Hi guan.

>

> From my recollection of the TV documentary that

> started this thread (which I

> saw a few nights ago, and will watch again tonight

> on CBC Newsworld (I think

> this 24hour CNN-like channel is available on many US

> cable and satellite TV

> systems)...

>

> The main gist of it was kidney brokers in Turkey,

> and in the Philippines. I

> don't recall any mention of China, although, I was

> on dialysis as I watched

> it, so there were interruptions, and I could have

> missed something. If there

> was any mention of China, it certainly wasn't the

> focus of the program. The

> actual surgery in the Philippines was done in a

> private hospital as modern

> as anything we have here. The whole process seemed

> pretty good as far as the

> wealthy, kidney recipient is concerned - just like

> it would be done in

> Western industrialized countries, although nobody

> appeared to do much

> medical transplant evaluation beyond blood and

> tissue typing, and the

> ability to pay. It is perhaps a little less safe and

> thorough from the

> donor's perspective, however. They showed poor

> neighbourhoods where all the

> healthy young men have donated a kidney via this

> brokerage system - as

> evidenced by the large scan on their flank. The

> recipent pays $200,000, and

> the donor gets about $2000. Who gets the rest is

> left to the imagination. My

> understanding from watching it is that it happens in

> the Philippines because

> it's actually not an illegal activity there, at this

> point anyway - but the

> many there are trying to stop this " exporting " of

> organs. Once the tranplant

> is done and the donor paid, the donors are pretty

> much left to their own

> devices, and if they have any problems afterwards,

> they are out of luck,

> since there is nothing like medicare.

>

> Pierre

>

>

>

> Re: tv show :Nov 20 abt global

> kidney market

>

>

> > In China ? I am here but never heard about it. My

> > doctor said normally it will take years to wait a

> > kidney in the hospital.

> >

> > Guan

> >

> > --- KenS ???:> They can be

> > doctors working at regular hospitals.

> > > Some in China have connections with prison

> officials

> > > or organized groups who prey on poor people.

> They

> > > just want your money. Don't expect them to have

> the

> > > same moral standard as those in developed

> countries.

> > >

> > > I heard many people died from these types of

> kidney

> > > transplants.

> > >

> > > Ken

> > >

>

>

>