Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Hi Dave, Missing part of a void during a 24 hour urine can skew the results, especially if there was quite a bit of urine that was not collected. Patients are advised to completely restart the collection with a new jug if the miss a void all together. I guess it depends on how much you were not able to collect. Normal serum creatinine levels vary according to body mass, but for me (5 feet 6 inches, 120 pounds) my normal would be about 0.7 or 0.8. A male has more body mass, so your normal might be higher than that. Serum creatinine is just a measurement of kidney function. Creatinine is a normal byproduct of muscle breakdown, but when kidney function is impaired, levels in the serum are higher than it would normally be if the kidneys were functioning at 100% simply because the kidneys are no longer filtering creatinine out of the blood as they should be. On protein, it should be less than 150 mg/24 hours. Hopefully you will find your protein is very low. On the blood tests you had done a few months ago, it all depends on if your doctor specifically checked creatinine. Sorry I can't answer that question, but you may want to inquire next time you see him. Typically, creatinine would not be checked unless the doctor specifically requested it. Finally, please do not apologize for the questions. That is precisely why we are here, so please do not hesitate to ask any questions you may have. For your reference, I will post a web site with some good information on lab tests here as well. <A HREF= " http://www.coloradohealthsite.org/dialysis/bc/blood_chem.html " >http://www.\ coloradohealthsite.org/dialysis/bc/blood_chem.html</A> Hope this helps to clear up some of the confusion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Dave, That ish beer must be a fine diuretic In 25 years, I never even came close to filling a jug on a 24 hour urine collection. Pierre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Thanks for that. It really was a fairly small amount of urine that I missed - the funny thing was I wondered how I'd ever fill that thing and by bedtime was getting a little nervous that it might not be big enough! If I have to do it again, so be it but I was hoping for some kind of indication when I see the doctor - I did make sure that the nurse knew to tell him. The reason I wondered about previous blood tests was that they were done with kidneys in mind but, yeah I'll check with him on that too. You just had to show off your weight/height huh? ))) Take care Dave Re: 24 hour urine Hi Dave, Missing part of a void during a 24 hour urine can skew the results, especially if there was quite a bit of urine that was not collected. Patients are advised to completely restart the collection with a new jug if the miss a void all together. I guess it depends on how much you were not able to collect. Normal serum creatinine levels vary according to body mass, but for me (5 feet 6 inches, 120 pounds) my normal would be about 0.7 or 0.8. A male has more body mass, so your normal might be higher than that. Serum creatinine is just a measurement of kidney function. Creatinine is a normal byproduct of muscle breakdown, but when kidney function is impaired, levels in the serum are higher than it would normally be if the kidneys were functioning at 100% simply because the kidneys are no longer filtering creatinine out of the blood as they should be. On protein, it should be less than 150 mg/24 hours. Hopefully you will find your protein is very low. On the blood tests you had done a few months ago, it all depends on if your doctor specifically checked creatinine. Sorry I can't answer that question, but you may want to inquire next time you see him. Typically, creatinine would not be checked unless the doctor specifically requested it. Finally, please do not apologize for the questions. That is precisely why we are here, so please do not hesitate to ask any questions you may have. For your reference, I will post a web site with some good information on lab tests here as well. <A HREF= " http://www.coloradohealthsite.org/dialysis/bc/blood_chem.html " >http://www.\ coloradohealthsite.org/dialysis/bc/blood_chem.html</A> Hope this helps to clear up some of the confusion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 LOL I didn't have any last night (and tend to avoid ish beer anyhow!) Do you guys get the 2litre jugs too? > Dave, > > That ish beer must be a fine diuretic > > In 25 years, I never even came close to filling a jug on a 24 hour urine > collection. > > Pierre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 I think you guys must just have better kidney function. I can barely make it a little over half way with a jug in 24 hours, but then again my kidney function is fairly compromised now. I say count your blessings :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 LOL! Pierre I have to get two jugs every time I have to do a 24 hour collection, and I almost fill both of them. The lab techs always look at me funny when I ask for a second jug normally saying ¡ÈMost people have trouble filling one¡É ¡Ä.then they are glad I did when I drop them both off full the next day. :-) Amy Re: 24 hour urine Dave, That ish beer must be a fine diuretic In 25 years, I never even came close to filling a jug on a 24 hour urine collection. Pierre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 You know, I don't remember how large the jugs were. I never really paid much attention to it at the time, other than making sure of my aim 2 litres seems like cutting it close though, since many people with an average fluid intake could be expected to urinate up to 2 litres per day. Well Dave, at least you know you're not retaining fluid... Pierre Re: 24 hour urine > LOL I didn't have any last night (and tend to avoid ish beer > anyhow!) > > Do you guys get the 2litre jugs too? > > > > Dave, > > > > That ish beer must be a fine diuretic > > > > In 25 years, I never even came close to filling a jug on a 24 hour urine > > collection. > > > > Pierre > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 i'm with you laura - i can barely fill half of the jug! i go see my neph in about 15 minutes for my three-month visit. i will get the results of last week's blood draw and 24 hour urine. everyone keep your fingers crossed! i will keep you posted. taylor > I think you guys must just have better kidney function. I can barely make it > a little over half way with a jug in 24 hours, but then again my kidney > function is fairly compromised now. > > I say count your blessings :-) > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 The lab attendant always tries to give me 2 jugs, but I have never needed the second one. Although last time I surprised nyself and almost filled it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 I don't think it's the kidney disease, usually anyway. Generally, people would urinate less as they advance to towards dialysis. People with mild IgAN just pee normally. There can be rare cases where the part of the kidneys that concentrates urine becomes damaged, in which case the person would pee more and more often. The more you drink, the more you urinate, so some of you are probably drinking more than you're thirsty for. Pierre RE: 24 hour urine I have to use 2 jugs too, do we drink to much liquid or is it from the kidney disease ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Good luck with your neph visit! Cy Re: 24 hour urine > i'm with you laura - i can barely fill half of the jug! > > i go see my neph in about 15 minutes for my three-month visit. i > will get the results of last week's blood draw and 24 hour urine. > everyone keep your fingers crossed! i will keep you posted. > > taylor > > > > > I think you guys must just have better kidney function. I can > barely make it > > a little over half way with a jug in 24 hours, but then again my > kidney > > function is fairly compromised now. > > > > I say count your blessings :-) > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Well, I'll certainly know next time to ask for two before I start - was kinda embarassing walking into the waiting room with once covered in a bag, two will be even worse!! lol > LOL! Pierre I have to get two jugs every time I have to do a 24 hour > collection, and I almost fill both of them. The lab techs always look > at me funny when I ask for a second jug normally saying ¡ÈMost people > have trouble filling one¡É ¡Ä.then they are glad I did when I drop them > both off full the next day. :-) > > > > Amy > > > > Re: 24 hour urine > > > > Dave, > > That ish beer must be a fine diuretic > > In 25 years, I never even came close to filling a jug on a 24 hour urine > collection. > > Pierre > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Well without getting too technical, the jug I got was shaped in such a way that aim wasn't too important ;o) Pity about fluid retention argument, I was hoping to use that as an excuse for the little pot belly I seem to have developed in recent months (rather than the comfort eating I've been doing!) > > > Dave, > > > > > > That ish beer must be a fine diuretic > > > > > > In 25 years, I never even came close to filling a jug on a 24 hour urine > > > collection. > > > > > > Pierre > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 It's funny how so many of us are embarrassed walking in with a jug of urine in a bag. We've had discussions of this before, when we didn't have much else to talk about, I guess I was similarly embarrassed the first few times i did it, but, nothing embarrasses me anymore. After a few times, I started walking in there with the attitude, yes, I'm a kidney patient, and I'm proud Pierre Re: 24 hour urine Well, I'll certainly know next time to ask for two before I start - was kinda embarassing walking into the waiting room with once covered in a bag, two will be even worse!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 So has your urine output deceased as kidney function has deteriorated? Is this how things normally progress? Little did I imagine a few months ago that I'd soon be having detailed discussion with people in message Boards about the quantity of urine we produce! > I think you guys must just have better kidney function. I can barely make it > a little over half way with a jug in 24 hours, but then again my kidney > function is fairly compromised now. > > I say count your blessings :-) > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 If you ever retain water from kidney failure, it will be more in your legs and feets than in your stomach, but you don't have to tell anyone and ruin your excuse Pierre Re: 24 hour urine > Well without getting too technical, the jug I got was shaped in such > a way that aim wasn't too important ;o) > > Pity about fluid retention argument, I was hoping to use that as an > excuse for the little pot belly I seem to have developed in recent > months (rather than the comfort eating I've been doing!) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 You're absolutely right, of course but human emotions don't always follow the path of logic ) > It's funny how so many of us are embarrassed walking in with a jug of urine > in a bag. We've had discussions of this before, when we didn't have much > else to talk about, I guess > > I was similarly embarrassed the first few times i did it, but, nothing > embarrasses me anymore. After a few times, I started walking in there with > the attitude, yes, I'm a kidney patient, and I'm proud > > Pierre > > > Re: 24 hour urine > > > > Well, I'll certainly know next time to ask for two before I start - > was kinda embarassing walking into the waiting room with once covered > in a bag, two will be even worse!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 You're absolutely right, of course but human emotions don't always follow the path of logic ) > It's funny how so many of us are embarrassed walking in with a jug of urine > in a bag. We've had discussions of this before, when we didn't have much > else to talk about, I guess > > I was similarly embarrassed the first few times i did it, but, nothing > embarrasses me anymore. After a few times, I started walking in there with > the attitude, yes, I'm a kidney patient, and I'm proud > > Pierre > > > Re: 24 hour urine > > > > Well, I'll certainly know next time to ask for two before I start - > was kinda embarassing walking into the waiting room with once covered > in a bag, two will be even worse!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 I've been laughing right along with this thread...it has been even more humorous since I just finished a 24 hour collection this morning! My husband was joking about how it's easy to diet when there are 2 jugs of urine in the fridge! I've helped him fast before the holiday I guess. I'll let everyone know how this latest test turns out on Monday when I go to the neph. It's the first one I've had done since starting on the steroids at the beginning of October. I had lots of blood work done too, so I'll get to see if my cholesterol has come down at all since July....hope, hope, hope. Amy RE: 24 hour urine This is a pretty funny thread here... I can't think of many places we can all laugh about how much we pee! It is kind of funny - both my sisters were " competing " to see who had the better volume when they were testing - talk about your " pi & & ing match " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Amy, here is to hoping and praying you get good news on Monday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 LOL! Pierre I have to get two jugs every time I have to do a 24 hour > collection, and I almost fill both of them. The lab techs always look > at me funny when I ask for a second jug normally saying ¡ÈMost people > have trouble filling one¡É ¡Ä.then they are glad I did when I drop them > both off full the next day. :-) > > > > Amy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Eeek, I didn't put mine in the fridge I just tucked it discreetly away in the bathroom - was this wrong? > I've been laughing right along with this thread...it has been even more > humorous since I just finished a 24 hour collection this morning! My > husband was joking about how it's easy to diet when there are 2 jugs of > urine in the fridge! I've helped him fast before the holiday I guess. > > > I'll let everyone know how this latest test turns out on Monday when I > go to the neph. It's the first one I've had done since starting on the > steroids at the beginning of October. I had lots of blood work done > too, so I'll get to see if my cholesterol has come down at all since > July....hope, hope, hope. > > Amy > > RE: 24 hour urine > > This is a pretty funny thread here... I can't think of many places we > can all laugh about how much we pee! It is kind of funny - both my > sisters were " competing " to see who had the better volume when they were > testing - talk about your " pi & & ing match " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Normally I am instructed to refrigerate the urine. You might check with the lab next time to see if they want you to refrigerate it or not. In a message dated 11/26/2003 3:28:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, garradh@... writes: > > Eeek, I didn't put mine in the fridge I just tucked it discreetly > away in the bathroom - was this wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Me too, or at least, keep it cool. Once, when I was hospitalised and I had to collect urine for 24 hours, the jug was kept in a pan of ice in my bathroom. There's no preservative in the jug for a regular 24 hour urine (although there is for some other kinds of 24 hour urine collections), so you should keep it cool. I'm not absolutely sure of this, but I think it's mostly a matter of bacteria proliferating faster in a warm environment. I once did a 24 hour that somehow became fouled with bacteria, and I had to redo it. Pierre Re: 24 hour urine > Normally I am instructed to refrigerate the urine. You might check with the > lab next time to see if they want you to refrigerate it or not. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 I will keep everything crossed for you on Monday Amy! ) RE: 24 hour urine I'll let everyone know how this latest test turns out on Monday when I go to the neph. It's the first one I've had done since starting on the steroids at the beginning of October. I had lots of blood work done too, so I'll get to see if my cholesterol has come down at all since July....hope, hope, hope. Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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