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Hi ,

I couldn't get the abstract you were referring to (didn't make it past the

PubMeds page). Can you give me the name of the first author and I'll do so

stalking? It's always nice to have another person haunting the corridors of

PubMeds.

This isn't my area of expertise, but I'll speculate a little. Like MPGN,

other proliferative kidney diseases (MPGN) are also idiopathic. For

example, idiopath MPGN generally follows a common pattern (adolescent

onset). However, it can also be caused by other viruses such as hep C, HIV

and strep. My best guess is that the genes for an immune system defect

unlying MPGN get turned on by adolescence or when responding to such

viruses. In many cases, treatment of the underlying virus seems to be

associated with stopping the progression of the MPGN. In other cases,

treatment of the underlying virus has little effect on the MPGN which

continues to progress (sorry to be so imprecise here, but MPGN is so rare

that reproducable studies are close to nonexistent). I'm a little wary

about leaping to the conclusion that it is caused by the virus, but rather

the virus is associated with the " unmasking " as it were of the immune

defect.

I haven't seen anything that suggests anything different for IgAN

Ultimately, with both MPGN and IgAN, I think we need to look at agents that

turn off the defective gene or that inhibit the production of the proteins

associated with it. However, this is mere speculation. I also made a huge

fool of myself several years ago when I insisted that ulcers couldn't be

caused by bacteria!

There's this great web site that associates various diseases with different

genes. I can't put my finger on it immediately, but I'll try to dig it up

for you.

Cy

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> good grief I'm replying to my own posts, I'm losing it...

>

> I've been chewing the cud on this, now I get flare ups of IGAN when

> I'm mega stressed/ run down etc, (akin to people getting cold sores,

> but ever so slightly worse), some of us have grumbling constantly

> detiorating IGAN, some of us have severe bouts of proteinurea type

> IGAN, some of us spontaneously go into remission. The more I live

> with this damn disease and research it, I'm gradually convincing

> myself IGAN is a symptom of some other problem, as was recently

> discovered for crohn's disease, I'd wager a ten pounds that some

> virus is the problem (I don't gamble :-) hence my meager bet).

>

>

>

> > me, the web stalker, off again...

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

> > cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=12970894 & dopt=Abstract

> >

> > " CONCLUSION: There is a relationship between HBV infection and

> IgAN "

> >

> > well, I've never seen a DEFINITE link in any paper before...

> >

> > mmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmm

>

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You're not losing it, I have similar thoughts and theories.......I heard a

program, last week,

on the BBC about Crohn's and ulcerative colitis and they have been doing

lots of new studies

in this area and have found that a lot of people who have got Crohn's

(another autoimmune disease, as you know)

have antibodies to the MAPS bug? They found antibodies in my blood for avium

TB (Bird TB) and it was

commented on by a Prof doing the tests that those antibodies floating around

in my blood wouldn't

help the way I feel. The point is though, that after having that horrendous

bug I started to

have kidney pains and infections etc etc.

Sally UK

Re: Hepatitis B link

good grief I'm replying to my own posts, I'm losing it...

I've been chewing the cud on this, now I get flare ups of IGAN when

I'm mega stressed/ run down etc, (akin to people getting cold sores,

but ever so slightly worse), some of us have grumbling constantly

detiorating IGAN, some of us have severe bouts of proteinurea type

IGAN, some of us spontaneously go into remission. The more I live

with this damn disease and research it, I'm gradually convincing

myself IGAN is a symptom of some other problem, as was recently

discovered for crohn's disease, I'd wager a ten pounds that some

virus is the problem (I don't gamble :-) hence my meager bet).

> me, the web stalker, off again...

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

> cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=12970894 & dopt=Abstract

>

> " CONCLUSION: There is a relationship between HBV infection and

IgAN "

>

> well, I've never seen a DEFINITE link in any paper before...

>

> mmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmm

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You're not losing it, I have similar thoughts and theories.......I heard a

program, last week,

on the BBC about Crohn's and ulcerative colitis and they have been doing

lots of new studies

in this area and have found that a lot of people who have got Crohn's

(another autoimmune disease, as you know)

have antibodies to the MAPS bug? They found antibodies in my blood for avium

TB (Bird TB) and it was

commented on by a Prof doing the tests that those antibodies floating around

in my blood wouldn't

help the way I feel. The point is though, that after having that horrendous

bug I started to

have kidney pains and infections etc etc.

Sally UK

Re: Hepatitis B link

good grief I'm replying to my own posts, I'm losing it...

I've been chewing the cud on this, now I get flare ups of IGAN when

I'm mega stressed/ run down etc, (akin to people getting cold sores,

but ever so slightly worse), some of us have grumbling constantly

detiorating IGAN, some of us have severe bouts of proteinurea type

IGAN, some of us spontaneously go into remission. The more I live

with this damn disease and research it, I'm gradually convincing

myself IGAN is a symptom of some other problem, as was recently

discovered for crohn's disease, I'd wager a ten pounds that some

virus is the problem (I don't gamble :-) hence my meager bet).

> me, the web stalker, off again...

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

> cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=12970894 & dopt=Abstract

>

> " CONCLUSION: There is a relationship between HBV infection and

IgAN "

>

> well, I've never seen a DEFINITE link in any paper before...

>

> mmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmm

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the link was split by the editor:-

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=12970894 & dopt=Abstract

full article:-

http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/9/2004.asp

make sure you get it all on one line, no spaces...

here's the header from the article:-

ISSN 1007-9327 CN 14-1219/R World J Gastroenterol 2003 September;9

(9):2004-2008

Role of hepatitis B virus infection in pathogenesis of IgA nephropathy

Nian-Song Wang, Zhao-Long Wu, Yue-E Zhang, Mu-Yi Guo, Lv-Tan Liao

> Hi ,

>

> I couldn't get the abstract you were referring to (didn't make it

past the

> PubMeds page). Can you give me the name of the first author and

I'll do so

> stalking? It's always nice to have another person haunting the

corridors of

> PubMeds.

>

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Thanks a lot Jeff. I'm going to give this a serious read.

However, it seems that one critical piece of info is missing from the

article. The article states that " Among 100 patients with IgAN, HBs

antigenemia was detected in 18 patients (18.00 %). " From my cursory read,

the article fails to state what the Hep B infection rate is in that portion

of the Chinese population. I would assume that the hep B infection rate is

much higher than here as hep B vaccination is not universal. The argument

would be a lot stronger if they showed that the hepititus rate is very low

in the population at large. However, I want to go back and read this more

closely, because I could be missing something.

I appreciate getting full articles! It's good to know someone else out

there is crawling the web on this stuff!

Cy

Re: Hepatitis B link

> the link was split by the editor:-

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

> cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=12970894 & dopt=Abstract

>

>

> full article:-

>

> http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/9/2004.asp

>

> make sure you get it all on one line, no spaces...

>

> here's the header from the article:-

>

> ISSN 1007-9327 CN 14-1219/R World J Gastroenterol 2003 September;9

> (9):2004-2008

> Role of hepatitis B virus infection in pathogenesis of IgA nephropathy

>

> Nian-Song Wang, Zhao-Long Wu, Yue-E Zhang, Mu-Yi Guo, Lv-Tan Liao

>

>

>

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I couldn't get the abstract you were referring to (didn't make it

> past the

> > PubMeds page). Can you give me the name of the first author and

> I'll do so

> > stalking? It's always nice to have another person haunting the

> corridors of

> > PubMeds.

> >

>

>

>

> To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group

> home page:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/

>

> To unsubcribe via email,

> iga-nephropathy-unsubscribe

> Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca. The site is entirely supported

by donations. If you would like to help, go to:

> http://www.igan.ca/id62.htm

>

> Thank you

>

>

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