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Hi Linny, The shell of a silicone gel implant and a saline implant is basically the same. If a woman is reacting to the shell, (and I believe many women sick from saline implants are) then it really doesn't matter what kind of implant you have when it comes to the anti-silicone antibody test. And perhaps it is not the silicone anti-bodies that is the problem. I am beginning to think that the presence of the implant, being a foreign object and therefore a STRESSOR on the adrenals, begins a cascade of endocrine disruptions that affects not only the adrenal glands, but the entire endocrine system, like a house of cards falling down. I say this because of the interrelations between all of the glands in the endocrine system. It seems to me that this is the answer to why so many women have NO abnormal test results, and yet they have a myriad of symptoms, because hormones are generally not tested. And even if

they are, it can take years before the symptoms associated with hypo-hormonal states are evident on tests. YEARS!! (According to Dr. Vliet). Which is exactly what happened to me with my thyroid issues. Patty <robinson4963@...> wrote: Ladies, Thank you all for your support and willingness to teach me about this sad situation. I am trying to do tons of research and had read most of the files housed on this site to educate myself, but as you know, it doesn't all "sink

in" instantly. Patty, thank you so much for the link on anti-silicone antibody testing. The article really only talks about it in reference to silicone gel implants and does not mention saline. Do you ladies here know if people get this test regulary? With saline implants? Is this a normal route to go or do most of you just get explanted to be on the safe side. Continued thanks... Linny Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out.

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Patty ~

How sweet of you to say ! Makes my heart

happy, and brought tears to my eyes ! I am

hoping to get these out before the end of the

year. We will see. Depends on my next couple

appointments. One with the kidney doc, and the

other with my heart doc. When my heart doc

says it is ok, and informs Dr Kolb, then I can

make my appointment with her. I will then, be

free ! ! Yeah ! !

Patty, I love you too ! You are so kind, and giving

and you help us all so much. I know for a fact

that you all were God sent to me. I thank him

dailey !

Oh, I almost forgot. Testing the iodine miracles,

I am putting iodine on my old age sun spots to

see if they go away. I will let everyone

know about the progress of them. Today was

my third day only, so we will see...... anyway,

for now, you can call me DOT ! Hee hee hee...

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Hi Patti,

I think the pill my friend was on was called Effexor XR. I am not

too familiar with these types of drugs but I can say that whatever

it was doing to her basically took her from depressed to self

destructive within months. She seemed more depressed then before she

went on them. I can understand the whole denial thing, in fact I

went through it for a short period but once I found this site, the

symptoms and similarities that were going unexplained became very

clear, very quickly. I guess the question women have to ask is if

their vanity is worth their health.

> >

> > ~

> > If you are allergic to it, you will have a quicker reaction.

> > If you already have a toxic overload due to environment,

> > what you eat, chemicals you use, etc.......then your overload

> > and immune system will be affected at different rates.

> > Everyone is alittle different anyway, and genetically

> > predisposed to certain things due to genetics.

> > My grandmother had lupus. I have lupus and was treated

> > for it for years while I had insurance, til I got so sick I had

to

> > stop working. Boy I tell ya, drugs can sure make you sick !

> > and when you have a diagnoses like that, a doctor can sure

> > make a load of income off of you ! ! The drugs have side

> > affects, that become illnesses with more drugs to take.

> > It becomes a vicious cycle for you and a huge money maker

> > for the doctors, drug companies, and people who own stock

> > in the drug companies. I have a sister that is on 20 different

> > drugs a day. It all started 15 years ago with a anti-depressant,

> > to help her deal with a rocky marriage and childhood things.

> > One lead to another, to another, and another. All drugs to

> > take care of side effects of the other drugs.

> > Example, the anti-depressant can cause headaches, stomach

> > problems and sleeplessness, Now you have 3 more diagnoses

> > to drug, nexium for the stomach, migranal for the headaches,

> > and sleeping pills for no sleep. Well, migranal can cause

> > high blood pressure, and an increase in lipids, so, now

> > you have 2 more diseases to drug. The medicine for high

> > blood pressure can cause high blood sugar, the high lipids

> > you get put on a statin. The statin can cause muscle aches

> > and joint pain, now, you have 2 more diseases and more drugs.

> > SICK, huh? All those drugs can cause depression, so, now

> > the one anti-depressant isnt working, so, she is now on 3

> > different ones a day.

> > I believe now her only problem is " drug induced " illness

> > and brainwashing to believe all the crap.

> > I hope this helps........

> > Hugs N Prayers ~

> > Dede

> >

> >

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Unfortunately they can get away with a blind eye because from what I

understand there is no direct link as of yet which relives them from

any responsibility, or irresponsibility for that matter. I have had

countless doctors tell me that I was basically insane to link my

symptoms to my implants but it only took a few moments on this site

to convince me to rip them. Some things are just not worth finding

out first hand. Unfortunately, my husband and family, except for my

aunt, think Im overreacting as well and believe the doctors.

> >

> > Linny ~

> > There are many chemicals that make up

> > silicone. All implants have silicone in

> > some form. When you have implants, you

> > have 1 or 2 huge bags of toxins in you.

> > Your body also doesnt recognise implants

> > as a natural thing, so it fights them and

> > forms a scar cap around them hoping to

> > protect you from this foreign object, and

> > the toxic substances that make up this

> > foreign object. So, now you have an immune

> > system that has these huge foreign bodies

> > to croud aroundand do their work. This

> > leaves the rest of your body open for attack

> > without protection ( lowered immunity )

> > At the same time, enviromental toxins that

> > your body used to fight and get rid of,

> > no longer have an army to do so, so things

> > you used to be able to handle, you become

> > sensitive to. Your body begins to get confused

> > and can begin to start attacking itself,

> > thinking everything is foreign. So actually,

> > testing for silicone is a waste of time and money.

> > Proves nothing. It only tests the specamin at

> > hand anyway, and not your body as a whole.

> > I had a massive silicone rupture. I was

> > implanted 2-90, and by 1-2004, I found 5

> > large marble sized lymph nodes deep on

> > the side of my breast, up into my armpit. The

> > doctor had me get a mammogram.............BAD

> > idea cuz poof ! it blew out the scar cap and

> > silicone now was able to flow in huge masses

> > into all my body and organs. My mammo is

> > in the photo's and shows the thick gel going

> > up and out of the scar cap where it blew out.

> > Anyway, I was not explanted properly or

> > cleaned out, so therefore, the next 8 months,

> > my body took that junk everywhere in my body.

> > I was so sick, it was horrible, and I looked like

> > death woman walking. I was diagnosed with

> > everything from lupus to osteoporosis,

> > 5 types arthritis, the list was about 20 long.

> > No kidding. Anyway, my point is, implants are

> > dangerous. Period ! Anyone at all that was

> > healthy, and had implants put in, then later

> > started getting health issues, has implant

> > issues ! ! The good thing, in many cases, you

> > get rid of the toxic junk, and detox, you can

> > reverse it and return your body to a healthy

> > state. God did not make our bodies to

> > become ill. He made them with natural defenses,

> > like fever.....the reason you get a fever is to kill

> > off invaders. You take something to get rid

> > of a fever, then you also get rid of that natural

> > defense that was built in, leaving your body

> > open for the attack, and anything that comes

> > with it.

> > Listen to your body, it is talking to you. Your

> > inner and higher self led you here, so it is talking

> > too. Trust your messages, love yourself, and

> > know we will all be here for you what ever you

> > decide. Blessings ~

> > Dede

> >

> >

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Hi Dede,

I can understand that, all you can do is be there to support her but

you would think having you for a sister and all your battles that

you haveovercome would open her eyes to the possibilty that this

could all be linked.

>

> ~

> It is in my opinion, yes, or at least most people will

> have a reaction at some point of some sort, even if it

> is just a chronic drippy nose, or getting tired easy.

> Or having stomach aches frequently, or even headaches.

> There are just too many toxic chemicals in them.

> Even the silicone shell of the saline implants

> break down and silicone is found in the scar caps,

> and in the lymph nodes, and I am sure in your other

> organs.

> My sister believes in and trusts her doctors, the

> drug companies, and the FDA. She is a black

> and white type person, one that lives by the book,

> and prefers to trust and not question.

> What a limited life that is. But I respect her,

> and the differences of opinion.

> I, on the otherhand, am very colorful, believe that

> anything at all is possible, and thru experience

> question everything. Every time I didnt, it

> came back to bite me.

> Hugs N Prayers ~

> Dede

>

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Wow, I knew there were side effects but they are worse then the

condition. Thankfully she has a meddling mom who found an article

and recognized the symptoms. She is doing great now but there are so

many other women on this that have no idea what they are starting

when they take these meds. You women on this site crack me up with

your super speed internet search abilities …lol. Just ask the

question and you will get an answer in 5 minutes or less

>

> No wonder your dear friend had problems with this ! !

>

> Effecor XR

> SIDE EFFECTS: This medication may initially cause dizziness and

nausea as

> your body adjusts to the medication. Other side effects reported

include

> trouble sleeping, nervousness, sweating, loss of appetite, _dry

mouth_

> (http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=43095) , _tremor_

> (http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=504) ,

blurred vision,

> _constipation_ (http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=331) ,

> drowsiness, change in sexual ability, or anxiety. If any of these

effects persist

> or worsen, notify your doctor promptly. Notify your doctor

immediately if you

> develop any of these serious effects: rapid or irregular

heartbeat, chest

> pain, severe _headache_

> (http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=20628) , painful or difficult urination, muscle

cramping, unusual or severe

> mental/mood changes, seizures. Tell your doctor immediately if

any of these

> unlikely but serious side effects occur: black stools, " coffee

ground " vomit,

> easy bruising/bleeding. An allergic reaction to this drug is

unlikely, but

> seek immediate medical attention if it occurs. Symptoms of an

allergic

> reaction include: _rash_

> (http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=1992) ,

itching, swelling, dizziness, trouble breathing. If you notice

other

> effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist.

>

> NOW, TELL ME, which would you rather have alittle depression to

work thru or

> the above side effects?

> here is more: This drug may make you dizzy or drowsy and may

affect

> judgment, thinking, or your physical reactions; use caution

engaging in activities

> requiring alertness such as driving or using machinery. Avoid

alcoholic

> beverages. Though uncommon, depression can lead to thoughts or

attempts of suicide.

> _VENLAFAXINE SUSTAINED-RELEASE - ORAL (Effexor XR) side effects,

medical

> uses, and drug interactions._

> (http://www.medicinenet.com/venlafaxine_sustained-release-

oral/article.htm)

>

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Cherie,

Thank you for sharing your story. I'm glad you are

going to Dr Huang. If I get my loan, I want to go to

her too. I have been frustrated trying to find someone

to do my removal properly. I am so glad to hear about

your success with finding the right Dr!!

Katy:)

--- cannst42 <cannst42@...> wrote:

> Hi Linney,

>

> Welcome to the group! My name is Cherie and I just

> found this group

> a couple of weeks ago. I was like you, just shocked

> that my illness

> was coming from my implants and these woman have

> been suffering with

> many of the symptoms that I have. I have been in out

> out of the E.R.

> and the hospital for the last 10 months. I have

> horrible irritable

> bowel syndrome and acid reflux. My digestive system

> is a wreak! I

> just scheduled my implant removal surgery for

> November. I took the

> advice from this group and I'm using one of their

> recomended Drs. I

> am actually flying to Denver to have Dr. Huang do

> the removal (I live

> in California). Patty is right, you have to use you

> intuition or gut

> feeling about making this decision. I have seen 8

> Dr.s and no one can

> tell me why all of a sudden my body is

> deteriorating. I just

> analyzed how healthly I was before my implants. I

> had my implants put

> in in November 2005 and I started having issue's

> with my body within

> 4 months after the insertion. I was in great shape,

> feeling great

> and running 2 miles a day. I have not been able to

> workout or run

> for 10 months.

>

> I must say, the surgery is costing me quite a bit

> but I know it will

> be worth it in the end. My insurance will not cover

> this. I did see

> the surgeon who inserted my implants but she will

> not remove them

> properly with the scar tissue. The girls here told

> me to run from

> her. One of the reasons why I am doing this is

> because a few years

> ago I had another condition after my daughter was

> born called

> Ashermans Syndrome (scar tissue in the uterus). None

> of my Gyn dr.s I

> saw were helping me. I joined an Ashermans group on

> and they

> told me where to go to get help. Let me tell you,

> that dr. cured me

> in one visit by doing a hysteroscopy on me. He was

> completely

> knowledged in that syndrome and knew exactly what I

> needed. I feel

> that those woman in that group saved me! I feel the

> same about this

> one. For me, it helps to be in contact with woman

> who have been thru

> this and know the best outcome.

>

> Hope this helps and good luck!

> Cherie

>

>

>

>

> > Patty,

> > Thank you so much for your informative response!

> Wow. I am

> learning a frightening reality, as all of you

> have... One

> clarification I need to make. You said there is no

> test for

> confirming whether implants are actually the cause

> of our illness.

> I've been doing tons of reading about this and

> people talk

> of " siliconitis " and some test that finds traces of

> silicone in their

> bodies (even with Saline implants). Is this not

> true? I was hoping

> that I could find out with some assurance that the

> implants are

> indeed the cause of my Rheumatoid Arthritis before I

> go through the

> ordeal of removing them. My breast surgery was

> life-changing for me

> as I was pretty much deformed prior to getting my

> implants,

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Good for you Dede! We do have to trust our instincts, and get connected with people like this group, who are more interested in helping each other than with making money. Maybe some doctors are well meaning and more interested in helping than making money, I don't know. I can't seem to find many. So Dede, what are you doing to help with the hormonal situation? Patty DGRAHAMA@... wrote: Well, unfortunately, these drugs work by altering your hormones, and since they dont test for these, you are getting horrible imbalances and dont even know it. Taken longterm, what does that do? No telling ! ! You know, the doctors had me on 3 different diuretics at a time for my heart, and I still wasnt peeing enough. Not once did they try to find out why, they just kept increasing the crap. It kept making me sicker and sicker with everything from kidney failure to pancreatitis. I took it upon myself to wein off of all of them. I talked my kidney specialist into running the aldosterone and renin tests, then I did the saliva tests with Canary, and wallah ! There is the answer ! I dont have enough anti-diuretic hormones, so no amount of diuretics would have worked. This crap went on for a year and a half. I am glad I listened to my better half ~ my instincts ~ Hugs Dede See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.

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, My husband wanted to believe the doctors too. He trusted them completely. It took awhile, but he finally saw the light and now is as disgusted with the medical field as I am. Pattylisatucholski <lisatucholski@...> wrote: Unfortunately they can get away with a blind eye because from what I understand there is no direct link as of yet which relives them from any responsibility, or irresponsibility for that matter. I have had countless doctors tell me that I was basically insane to

link my symptoms to my implants but it only took a few moments on this site to convince me to rip them. Some things are just not worth finding out first hand. Unfortunately, my husband and family, except for my aunt, think Im overreacting as well and believe the doctors.> >> > Linny ~ > > There are

many chemicals that make up > > silicone. All implants have silicone in > > some form. When you have implants, you > > have 1 or 2 huge bags of toxins in you. > > Your body also doesnt recognise implants> > as a natural thing, so it fights them and> > forms a scar cap around them hoping to > > protect you from this foreign object, and> > the toxic substances that make up this> > foreign object. So, now you have an immune > > system that has these huge foreign bodies > > to croud aroundand do their work. This> > leaves the rest of your body open for attack> > without protection ( lowered immunity ) > > At the same time, enviromental toxins that> > your body used to fight and get rid of, > > no longer have an army to do so, so things > > you used to be able to handle, you become > > sensitive to.

Your body begins to get confused> > and can begin to start attacking itself, > > thinking everything is foreign. So actually, > > testing for silicone is a waste of time and money. > > Proves nothing. It only tests the specamin at > > hand anyway, and not your body as a whole. > > I had a massive silicone rupture. I was > > implanted 2-90, and by 1-2004, I found 5> > large marble sized lymph nodes deep on > > the side of my breast, up into my armpit. The> > doctor had me get a mammogram.............BAD > > idea cuz poof ! it blew out the scar cap and > > silicone now was able to flow in huge masses > > into all my body and organs. My mammo is > > in the photo's and shows the thick gel going> > up and out of the scar cap where it blew out. > > Anyway, I was not explanted properly or > > cleaned

out, so therefore, the next 8 months, > > my body took that junk everywhere in my body. > > I was so sick, it was horrible, and I looked like > > death woman walking. I was diagnosed with > > everything from lupus to osteoporosis,> > 5 types arthritis, the list was about 20 long. > > No kidding. Anyway, my point is, implants are> > dangerous. Period ! Anyone at all that was > > healthy, and had implants put in, then later > > started getting health issues, has implant > > issues ! ! The good thing, in many cases, you > > get rid of the toxic junk, and detox, you can> > reverse it and return your body to a healthy > > state. God did not make our bodies to> > become ill. He made them with natural defenses,> > like fever.....the reason you get a fever is to kill > > off invaders. You take something to get rid >

> of a fever, then you also get rid of that natural> > defense that was built in, leaving your body > > open for the attack, and anything that comes > > with it.> > Listen to your body, it is talking to you. Your> > inner and higher self led you here, so it is talking> > too. Trust your messages, love yourself, and > > know we will all be here for you what ever you > > decide. Blessings ~> > Dede> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com> >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel

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Dede, You are one in a million. You bring so much to this group! I love you and can't wait for you to get those crappy things out of your body and start healing free from implants! I wish you weren't flaring.... Your research is wonderful, thank you for all you do for us. Love, PattyDGRAHAMA@... wrote: ~How funny you say that. I am

dealing with lots of illness right now, and have been mostly bed- ridden for the last 2 years, not to mention having a constant lupus flare from may of 2003 til sept of 2005 when my whole body went into failure. So, I have alot of time on my hands, read alot to feed the brain, and also, this helps me give of myself to society. I have always been a doer and a giver, and can no longer the way I used to, so now, when I can, I sit here and research, and support, and joke around as

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No problem Katy!

I think my family and friends are thinking " what is she doing! " I'm

not sure if their all that convinced....but I'm going with my gut!

Cherie

> > > Patty,

> > > Thank you so much for your informative response!

> > Wow. I am

> > learning a frightening reality, as all of you

> > have... One

> > clarification I need to make. You said there is no

> > test for

> > confirming whether implants are actually the cause

> > of our illness.

> > I've been doing tons of reading about this and

> > people talk

> > of " siliconitis " and some test that finds traces of

> > silicone in their

> > bodies (even with Saline implants). Is this not

> > true? I was hoping

> > that I could find out with some assurance that the

> > implants are

> > indeed the cause of my Rheumatoid Arthritis before I

> > go through the

> > ordeal of removing them. My breast surgery was

> > life-changing for me

> > as I was pretty much deformed prior to getting my

> > implants,

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I didn't see this mentioned . . but Dr. Mansmann, www.magnesiumresearchlab.com says Effexor depletes Magnesium too! RogeneDGRAHAMA@... wrote: No wonder your dear friend had problems with this ! ! Effecor XR SIDE EFFECTS: This medication may initially cause dizziness and nausea as your body adjusts to the medication. Other side effects reported include trouble sleeping, nervousness, sweating, loss of appetite, dry mouth, tremor, blurred vision, constipation, drowsiness, change in sexual ability, or anxiety. If any of these effects persist or worsen, notify your doctor promptly. Notify your doctor immediately if you develop any of these serious effects: rapid or irregular heartbeat, chest pain, severe headache, painful or difficult urination,

muscle cramping, unusual or severe mental/mood changes, seizures. Tell your doctor immediately if any of these unlikely but serious side effects occur: black stools, "coffee ground" vomit, easy bruising/bleeding. An allergic reaction to this drug is unlikely, but seek immediate medical attention if it occurs. Symptoms of an allergic reaction include: rash, itching, swelling, dizziness, trouble breathing. If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist. NOW, TELL ME, which would you rather have alittle depression to work thru or the above side effects? here is more: This drug may make you dizzy or drowsy and may affect judgment, thinking, or your physical reactions; use caution engaging in activities requiring alertness such as driving or using machinery. Avoid

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Rogene ~

I have told him that, it was awhile back though.

I havent spoken with him in a good while. He

lives in Washington right now. I need to write

him, see what he is up to. I will mention it again !

Thank you ~

Hugs ~

Dede

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Dede, You might suggest to him that the chin implant may deteriorate and need replacing periodically . . . Maybe that wouldn't be so hard for him to accept. Our support group was told about one that came out in pieces when it was removed . . . Hugs, Rogene DGRAHAMA@... wrote: Girls ~ I have a friend that has a silicone chin implant. This has made a huge difference in his life, as he did not have a chin, and it GQ with one. Unfortunately, he has arthritis in his back, and various arthralgias in other places of his body. He also gets frequent colds. He is very active and owns a bicycle shop. Hopefully he will realize that it is his chin and not his age. So far, he prefers to not think that there is a relationship there, even though he knows my medical journey. Hopefully the deterioriation goes no further for him. Only time will tell. Hugs D See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.

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Justed wanted to say, Dede, I totally ditto what Patty said here

below.

You inspired a new format for these webpages for your stories ... and

I'd love to add some more.

Love from Ilena

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org#stories

www. BreastImplantAwareness.org/dede.htm

www. BreastImplantAwareness.org/patty.html

Also:

http://breastimplantawareness.blogspot.com

> ~

> How funny you say that. I am dealing with lots

> of illness right now, and have been mostly bed-

> ridden for the last 2 years, not to mention having

> a constant lupus flare from may of 2003 til sept

> of 2005 when my whole body went into failure.

> So, I have alot of time on my hands, read alot

> to feed the brain, and also, this helps me give

> of myself to society. I have always been a doer

> and a giver, and can no longer the way I used to,

> so now, when I can, I sit here and research, and

> support, and joke around as laughter is the

> best medicine of all, well of course next to love.....

> Hugs ~ Dede

>

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Linny, It's pretty normal to feel really overloaded when you start learning about this mess! . . . Especially if you're brain-fogged from implants. . . Take your time - Do one thing at a time . . and don't worry about the rest. You'll get there. One step at a time! Rogene <robinson4963@...> wrote: Ladies, Thank you all for your support and willingness to teach me about

this sad situation. I am trying to do tons of research and had read most of the files housed on this site to educate myself, but as you know, it doesn't all "sink in" instantly. Patty, thank you so much for the link on anti-silicone antibody testing. The article really only talks about it in reference to silicone gel implants and does not mention saline. Do you ladies here know if people get this test regulary? With saline implants? Is this a normal route to go or do most of you just get explanted to be on the safe side. Continued thanks... Linny Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out.

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Hi Patti,

As frustrating as it is, i can not blame him becauseo unless it is

happening to you there is no way to understand it. Im just glad that

he supports me whatever i want to do even though he doesnt undertand

it. I know alot of guys that would never allow that kind of money to

be spent with no proof. He knows that something is going on but

doesnt know why. He is in school for nursing right now so he is

trying to find scientific reason for all of this. Yea, good luck!

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> > > Linny ~

> > > There are many chemicals that make up

> > > silicone. All implants have silicone in

> > > some form. When you have implants, you

> > > have 1 or 2 huge bags of toxins in you.

> > > Your body also doesnt recognise implants

> > > as a natural thing, so it fights them and

> > > forms a scar cap around them hoping to

> > > protect you from this foreign object, and

> > > the toxic substances that make up this

> > > foreign object. So, now you have an immune

> > > system that has these huge foreign bodies

> > > to croud aroundand do their work. This

> > > leaves the rest of your body open for attack

> > > without protection ( lowered immunity )

> > > At the same time, enviromental toxins that

> > > your body used to fight and get rid of,

> > > no longer have an army to do so, so things

> > > you used to be able to handle, you become

> > > sensitive to. Your body begins to get confused

> > > and can begin to start attacking itself,

> > > thinking everything is foreign. So actually,

> > > testing for silicone is a waste of time and money.

> > > Proves nothing. It only tests the specamin at

> > > hand anyway, and not your body as a whole.

> > > I had a massive silicone rupture. I was

> > > implanted 2-90, and by 1-2004, I found 5

> > > large marble sized lymph nodes deep on

> > > the side of my breast, up into my armpit. The

> > > doctor had me get a mammogram.............BAD

> > > idea cuz poof ! it blew out the scar cap and

> > > silicone now was able to flow in huge masses

> > > into all my body and organs. My mammo is

> > > in the photo's and shows the thick gel going

> > > up and out of the scar cap where it blew out.

> > > Anyway, I was not explanted properly or

> > > cleaned out, so therefore, the next 8 months,

> > > my body took that junk everywhere in my body.

> > > I was so sick, it was horrible, and I looked like

> > > death woman walking. I was diagnosed with

> > > everything from lupus to osteoporosis,

> > > 5 types arthritis, the list was about 20 long.

> > > No kidding. Anyway, my point is, implants are

> > > dangerous. Period ! Anyone at all that was

> > > healthy, and had implants put in, then later

> > > started getting health issues, has implant

> > > issues ! ! The good thing, in many cases, you

> > > get rid of the toxic junk, and detox, you can

> > > reverse it and return your body to a healthy

> > > state. God did not make our bodies to

> > > become ill. He made them with natural defenses,

> > > like fever.....the reason you get a fever is to kill

> > > off invaders. You take something to get rid

> > > of a fever, then you also get rid of that natural

> > > defense that was built in, leaving your body

> > > open for the attack, and anything that comes

> > > with it.

> > > Listen to your body, it is talking to you. Your

> > > inner and higher self led you here, so it is talking

> > > too. Trust your messages, love yourself, and

> > > know we will all be here for you what ever you

> > > decide. Blessings ~

> > > Dede

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