Re: Newbie with probable RA

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Hi Linny,

Welcome to the group. If you implants are causing your symptoms,

which they sound pretty common, the ladies in this site can

definitely guide you in the right direction. I can only speak for

myself but I have been having similar symptoms and there has been no

test to date that has suggested that my implants are the cause. In

fact before finding this group, every doctor out there basically told

me I was crazy to even think my implants could have this effect. It

just so happens that every other on this site had the same symptoms,

but to very different degrees so once I found this site there was no

doubt in my mind that my implants are causing this. It is just very

ironic that before i got the implants I was never sick and within 6

months I had stomach problems, muscle aches and burning amongst many

other symptoms. The women on this site are so supportive and

knowledgeable, im sure they can help you figure this out.

> >

> > Went to my rhumatologist on Monday. After 6 months of

observation

> he

> > diagnosed me with Lupus. He wanted to put me on some major

> medication

> > so I decided to tell him that I was having explant surgery and

> wanted

> > to wait. He immediately said " implants don't make a difference.

> > There is no evidence that suggests that they cause these symptoms

or

> > diseases " . I was really not feeling well that day so I didn't

argue

> > said I just wanted him to know and wanted to delay the

medications.

> > He didn't seem too happy about it.

> >

> > I ordered many of the supplements Dr. Kolb suggests on her site.

I

> > would like to try those and stay away from drugs as long as I can.

> >

> > I am scheduled for explant in less than 2 weeks. Dr Huang will

> remove

> > the implants, do fat transfer to the breasts and do some lipo of

my

> > excess fat in the tummy and hips. I figured this is a one shot

> deal.

> >

> > I'm a little nervous about the anesthesia and surgery in

general. I

> > guess that is to be expected. I am just anxious to have the

> implants

> > out. I really believe they are poisoning me slowly.

> >

> > Thanks to everyone who continues to give us support on this

site...

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Linny,

When your implants are removed, your symptoms may well abate, so

please don't start taking serious RA drugs until you have had a

chance to have your system detox from the implants.

Where are you?

Lynda

At 09:39 PM 9/13/2007, you wrote:

>Hi. I'm sorry to read all of your stories. It's devastating. Only

>today am I just realizing that my systemic symptoms could be from my

>3 yr-old saline implants--I got an email from a friend reminding me

>of the possibility after I told her I have RA. This is what lead me

>to this forum. I have been having joint pain, malaise and a low-

>grade fever that lead to bloodwork which revealed a " strong positive "

>anti-CCP level. My rheumatologist tells me that can only mean

>Rheumatoid Arthritis, but that he is not willing to diagnose it now

>because I am not showing enough symptoms yet. I've been more than a

>bit depressed since learning about my future with RA. I'm a 44 yr

>old teacher who only recently went back to my beloved career after

>raising my 4 sons. If having my implants removed can get my health

>back, I'd do it tomorrow. I'm hoping that someone here can help

>steer me with how to proceed. Is there a test that can be done which

>could determine the answer as to whether the implants are the cause?

>Or is a guess? How does this go? I have an appt with the RA doc on

>Tues, 9/18... what's next?

>Thanks in advance,

>Linny

>

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> " bnincongo " <bnincongo@...>

>wrote:

> >

> > Went to my rhumatologist on Monday. After 6 months of observation

>he

> > diagnosed me with Lupus. He wanted to put me on some major

>medication

> > so I decided to tell him that I was having explant surgery and

>wanted

> > to wait. He immediately said " implants don't make a difference.

> > There is no evidence that suggests that they cause these symptoms or

> > diseases " . I was really not feeling well that day so I didn't argue

> > said I just wanted him to know and wanted to delay the medications.

> > He didn't seem too happy about it.

> >

> > I ordered many of the supplements Dr. Kolb suggests on her site. I

> > would like to try those and stay away from drugs as long as I can.

> >

> > I am scheduled for explant in less than 2 weeks. Dr Huang will

>remove

> > the implants, do fat transfer to the breasts and do some lipo of my

> > excess fat in the tummy and hips. I figured this is a one shot

>deal.

> >

> > I'm a little nervous about the anesthesia and surgery in general. I

> > guess that is to be expected. I am just anxious to have the

>implants

> > out. I really believe they are poisoning me slowly.

> >

> > Thanks to everyone who continues to give us support on this site...

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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Welcome Linny, I'm sure glad you found us! . . . Before you racked up a list of diagnoses that could interfere with getting insurance, etc. . . I'd suggest reading through old messages - particularly from new women. You'll soon find they sound just like you! The most difficult part of getting breast implants removed is finding a doctor who will remove them properly . . . That means "en bloc" preferably or a complete capsulectomy at the minimum. . . . A capsule grows around the implant to wall off self from non-self. . . This capsule can retain silicone debris sloughed off an implant, or micro organisms that can be serious. . . The idea is to have a doctor remove the implants who will make sure that nothing from the implant spills into your chest cavity by cutting around the capsule with the implant still inside. Most plastic surgeons will tell

you that this is not necessary . . . that you will be deformed and depressed after explant. NOT TRUE. . . You want a doctor who will respect your request for proper explant, even if they don't believe breast implants are dangerous. You'll likely need to do some detoxing before, and after explant before you feel completely like yourself again. . . Even then, you may have bad days for years to come. A lot will depend on how closely you follow a healthy diet and lifestyle. We don't put a lot of stock in diagnoses . . . most of the symptoms gradually fade after explant . . . If you get started on prescription meds, you can end up with even more problems as a result of side effects - for which they have another drug! Rheumies are some of the worst for understanding implant issues. . . IMHO, I wouldn't waste my time or money seeing one. , , That said, there are a FEW excellent ones! I'd recommend reading "The Maker's Diet" . . . Getting well begins with restoring a healthy digestive system. . . You can feel better once you get on a healthy program, but as long as your implants are producing toxins, it will be a continuing struggle that will likely get worse over time. We have a wonderful group of women here who are in all stages of discovery and recovery. . . You're welcome to ask any questions . .. One of us probably has "been there, done that". Hugs and prayers, Rogenerobinson4963 <robinson4963@...> wrote: Hi. I'm sorry to read all of your stories. It's devastating. Only today am I just realizing that my systemic symptoms could be from my 3 yr-old saline implants--I got an email from a friend reminding me of the possibility after I told her I have RA. This is what lead me to this forum. I have been having joint pain, malaise and a low-grade fever that lead to bloodwork which revealed a "strong positive" anti-CCP level. My rheumatologist tells me that can only mean Rheumatoid Arthritis, but that he is not willing to diagnose it now because I am not showing enough symptoms yet. I've been more than a bit depressed since learning about my future with RA. I'm a 44 yr old teacher who only recently went back to my beloved career after raising my 4 sons. If having my implants removed can get my health back, I'd do it tomorrow. I'm hoping that

someone here can help steer me with how to proceed. Is there a test that can be done which could determine the answer as to whether the implants are the cause? Or is a guess? How does this go? I have an appt with the RA doc on Tues, 9/18... what's next?Thanks in advance,Linny>> Went to my rhumatologist on Monday. After 6 months of observation he> diagnosed me with Lupus. He wanted to put me on some major medication> so I decided to tell him that I was having explant surgery and wanted> to wait. He immediately said "implants don't make a difference. > There is no evidence that suggests that they cause these symptoms or> diseases". I was really not feeling well that day so I didn't argue> said I just wanted him to know and wanted

to delay the medications. > He didn't seem too happy about it.> > I ordered many of the supplements Dr. Kolb suggests on her site. I> would like to try those and stay away from drugs as long as I can.> > I am scheduled for explant in less than 2 weeks. Dr Huang will remove> the implants, do fat transfer to the breasts and do some lipo of my> excess fat in the tummy and hips. I figured this is a one shot deal.> > I'm a little nervous about the anesthesia and surgery in general. I> guess that is to be expected. I am just anxious to have the implants> out. I really believe they are poisoning me slowly.> > Thanks to everyone who continues to give us support on this site...> > >

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Linny, Hi and welcome to the group. I joined the group less than 5 months ago and I must say these ladies here have helped save my life. Continue to research the information on implant illness. You will find all you need to know in our group folders. I was denied medical care by the rhuematologist in my area because I had breast implants. What is it that they know? I had my explant surgery last Wednesday, Sept. 5th to remove my saline implants, all scar tissue (scar capsules), and 5 cysts that were not there 3 years ago when I was implanted. When I awoke the surgeon showed me all that was removed, I was shocked. He said he removed all of the silicone he could find. Remember I had saline implants ! I am already

healing and feeling better each day. My stiff neck and heavy head is gone and so is the pain in my arms and legs. I am so happy I found this site, I have been given a 2nd chance for good health and a life worth living. I truely wish I had not gotten the implants in the first place. If I would have known that they would nearly kill me and make me disabled I would have never gotten them. But how was I to know? I think we were all lied to about the implants being safe. How unfortunate ! Continue to post and ask as many questions as you'd like, we are all here for you. robinson4963 <robinson4963@...> wrote: Hi. I'm sorry to read all of your stories. It's devastating. Only today am I just realizing that my systemic symptoms could be from my 3 yr-old saline implants--I got an email from a friend reminding me of the possibility after I told her I have RA. This is what lead me to this forum. I have been having joint pain, malaise and a low-grade fever that lead to bloodwork which revealed a "strong positive" anti-CCP level. My rheumatologist tells me that can only mean Rheumatoid Arthritis, but that he is not willing to diagnose it now because I am not showing enough symptoms yet. I've been more than a bit depressed since learning about my future with RA. I'm a 44 yr old teacher who only recently went back to my beloved career after raising my 4 sons. If having my implants removed can get my health back, I'd do it tomorrow. I'm hoping that someone here can help steer me with how to proceed. Is there a test that can be

done which could determine the answer as to whether the implants are the cause? Or is a guess? How does this go? I have an appt with the RA doc on Tues, 9/18... what's next?Thanks in advance,Linny>> Went to my rhumatologist on Monday. After 6 months of observation he> diagnosed me with Lupus. He wanted to put me on some major medication> so I decided to tell him that I was having explant surgery and wanted> to wait. He immediately said "implants don't make a difference. > There is no evidence that suggests that they cause these symptoms or> diseases". I was really not feeling well that day so I didn't argue> said I just wanted him to know and wanted to delay the medications. > He didn't seem too happy about it.> > I ordered many of the supplements Dr. Kolb suggests on her site.

I> would like to try those and stay away from drugs as long as I can.> > I am scheduled for explant in less than 2 weeks. Dr Huang will remove> the implants, do fat transfer to the breasts and do some lipo of my> excess fat in the tummy and hips. I figured this is a one shot deal.> > I'm a little nervous about the anesthesia and surgery in general. I> guess that is to be expected. I am just anxious to have the implants> out. I really believe they are poisoning me slowly.> > Thanks to everyone who continues to give us support on this site...> > >

[Guest guest]

Linny ~

Hello there, and welcome to the group ! I am

sorry you are ill from these nasty implants !

The only test to see if they are the cause

is to remove them and the scar caps your

body grew around them to protect you.

Then detox, and if everything goes away,

you have your answer.

I can almost assure you that explant, and

done properly and detoxing will restore

your health. Bless your heart, this is a

tough one since all the people that we are

raised to believe we can trust, are so

dishonest, and their only goal is money.

Please read all you can get your hands on

in our archives. Trust your instincts. Keep

your faith.

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Hi Linny,

Welcome. RA was the first thing my doctor's "throught" I had. They too wouldn't positively give me a diagnosis though. Next, they said Lupus. Again, couldn't positively say it was lupus. All they could tell me was that my auto-immune was fighting my body. I had a positive ANA.

There is no test for implant sickness. I knew that something wasn't right and I wasn't myself and I thought to myself - what is the one thing in my body that could cause inflammation and my body to attack itself -- IMPLANTS!! I then started researching and came across the WONDERFUL, LIFE SAVING women on this board.

I had my implants for 7 years, they too were saline. I started to feel not myself in December of 06 and my health declined fast. I had joint pains, brain fog, short term memory loss and so many other things that didn't make sense at only age 34!

You won't find many/if any doctors who will admit that breast implants cause illness. The FDA says they are save, so they don't go against what the FDA says. I have had so many tests run and they say I am healthy - besides the elevated ANA, and I have recently been diagnosed with Hashimotos (thyroid issues).

I have now been explanted since April of 07 by Dr. Huang in Denver, CO. She is a recommended doctor on in the files. I am still detoxing my body but I feel about 80% better and I get better everyday. At the beginning of the year I thought I would end up disabled, couldn't even walk up and down the stairs to do laundry - I was bed ridden most of the time. I now play volleyball on a competative time once a week. I am back to golfing too. I am feeling that I am getting my life back.

If you decide to explant, please try to go to a doctor on the recommended list. Do not go back to your implanting doctor. Implants need to be removed properly - not just popped out. The doctor's on the list believe implants cause sickness and make sure to properly remove the (capsulectomy En Bloc). This is very important because if the capusules around the implants are left, many women continue to be sick and have to spend more money to get those out later.

You'll get many responses here and the women are so helpful. Ask any questions.

Again, welcome. I am so sorry you are sick. It is not fun but you are not alone.

Hugs, Lynn

Newbie with probable RA

Hi. I'm sorry to read all of your stories. It's devastating. Only today am I just realizing that my systemic symptoms could be from my 3 yr-old saline implants--I got an email from a friend reminding me of the possibility after I told her I have RA. This is what lead me to this forum. I have been having joint pain, malaise and a low-grade fever that lead to bloodwork which revealed a "strong positive" anti-CCP level. My rheumatologist tells me that can only mean Rheumatoid Arthritis, but that he is not willing to diagnose it now because I am not showing enough symptoms yet. I've been more than a bit depressed since learning about my future with RA. I'm a 44 yr old teacher who only recently went back to my beloved career after raising my 4 sons. If having my implants removed can get my health back, I'd do it tomorrow. I'm hoping that someone here can help steer me with how to proceed. Is there a test

that can be done which could determine the answer as to whether the implants are the cause? Or is a guess? How does this go? I have an appt with the RA doc on Tues, 9/18... what's next?Thanks in advance,Linny>> Went to my rhumatologist on Monday. After 6 months of observation he> diagnosed me with Lupus. He wanted to put me on some major medication> so I decided to tell him that I was having explant surgery and wanted> to wait. He immediately said "implants don't make a difference. > There is no evidence that suggests that they cause these symptoms or> diseases". I was really not feeling well that day so I didn't argue> said I just wanted him to know and wanted to delay the medications. >

He didn't seem too happy about it.> > I ordered many of the supplements Dr. Kolb suggests on her site. I> would like to try those and stay away from drugs as long as I can.> > I am scheduled for explant in less than 2 weeks. Dr Huang will remove> the implants, do fat transfer to the breasts and do some lipo of my> excess fat in the tummy and hips. I figured this is a one shot deal.> > I'm a little nervous about the anesthesia and surgery in general. I> guess that is to be expected. I am just anxious to have the implants> out. I really believe they are poisoning me slowly.> > Thanks to everyone who continues to give us support on this site...> > >

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Hi Linny, Welcome to our group. I know you'd rather not be in the situation, but I guess if there is one good thing to realize about where you're at now, it is that you are not alone, and that there are thousands of woman who have gone before you in dealing with this implant nightmare. First of all, I think I'd cancel the appointment with the rheumatologist. It's up to you, of course, and you know your body better than I do, but I say this based on the suggestion that he will not be able to do anything for you, except make your medical file thicker, prescribe you toxic drugs, and tell you that he will only be able to make your life more comfortable, not cure you. I had an elevated rheumatoid factor shortly after I went through my health crash with my implants. I did the rheumy route---twice--but it was a worthless, icky experience in my opinion, as this doctor offered nothing to help.

Basically dismissed me when he heard the word "implants". From there I saw a naturopath who gave me much more hope. It was the better road to travel by far!!! I was able to grab those reigns with his direction and the direction of Ilena's support group of women, and got myself better! I have no more symptoms to deal with. I will be the first to admit that it is hard to change direction when it comes to doctors. We have been lulled into thinking in this country that they are the experts and they know best, so it was a rude awakening to realize that doctors do make BIG mistakes when it comes to the breast implant issue. Through my breast implant experience, doctors have tumbled off their pedestal with a resounding crash. There are no tests that can prove the implants are causing your illness. If there were, there would be no controversy, and

every woman fighting in court would win. The manufacturer's have realized that they can use this to their advantage. That means women are left to grapple with the tragic results on their own. Doctors usually do what is politically expedient, which is deny that there is any association between implants and illness. The true heros in our cause are few and far between. What that means for you is that you need to be your own advocate for your health. We've learned what works to help women get their life back, and that is what we focus on. So, here are the steps I recommend: 1) Don't see any more doctors for treatment (unless it's life threatening.) Avoid collecting diagnoses of illness, because if your symptoms disappear in time, these will be lasting negative marks on your medical records and make insurance more costly. You don't want to begin taking

prescriptions either, as they only delay healing in the long run. 2) Begin looking for an explanting plastic surgeon. We have several that we highly recommend because they know how to remove implants correctly. This is vitally important. You must get the capsules removed as well as the implants, in what is called a "total capsulectomy", preferably with drains. If you use your implanting plastic surgeon, or one who does not understand the need for a proper explant you risk remaining ill if they leave the capsules in. Many of them do this because they do not believe women are sick from implants and they do not believe capsules pose risks. They are wrong on both counts. 3) Begin getting familiar with various forms of detoxing treatments. After your implants are removed, your focus will be on living a healthy lifestyle that incorporates organic foods, and efforts to help your body purge

itself of toxins. I know this is alot of info at once, but we've seen many, many women get better. Have hope! But it will take effort on your part! Patty robinson4963 <robinson4963@...> wrote: Hi. I'm sorry to read all of your stories. It's devastating. Only today am I just realizing that my systemic symptoms could be from my 3 yr-old saline implants--I got an email from a friend reminding me of the possibility

after I told her I have RA. This is what lead me to this forum. I have been having joint pain, malaise and a low-grade fever that lead to bloodwork which revealed a "strong positive" anti-CCP level. My rheumatologist tells me that can only mean Rheumatoid Arthritis, but that he is not willing to diagnose it now because I am not showing enough symptoms yet. I've been more than a bit depressed since learning about my future with RA. I'm a 44 yr old teacher who only recently went back to my beloved career after raising my 4 sons. If having my implants removed can get my health back, I'd do it tomorrow. I'm hoping that someone here can help steer me with how to proceed. Is there a test that can be done which could determine the answer as to whether the implants are the cause? Or is a guess? How does this go? I have an appt with the RA doc on Tues, 9/18... what's next?Thanks in advance,Linny>> Went to my rhumatologist on Monday. After 6 months of observation he> diagnosed me with Lupus. He wanted to put me on some major medication> so I decided to tell him that I was having explant surgery and wanted> to wait. He immediately said "implants don't make a difference. > There is no evidence that suggests that they cause these symptoms or> diseases". I was really not feeling well that day so I didn't argue> said I just wanted him to know and wanted to delay the medications. > He didn't seem too happy about it.> > I ordered many of the supplements Dr. Kolb suggests on her site. I> would like to try those and stay away from drugs as long as I can.> > I am scheduled for explant in less than 2 weeks. Dr Huang will

remove> the implants, do fat transfer to the breasts and do some lipo of my> excess fat in the tummy and hips. I figured this is a one shot deal.> > I'm a little nervous about the anesthesia and surgery in general. I> guess that is to be expected. I am just anxious to have the implants> out. I really believe they are poisoning me slowly.> > Thanks to everyone who continues to give us support on this site...> > >

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Patty, Thank you so much for your informative response! Wow. I am learning a frightening reality, as all of you have... One clarification I need to make. You said there is no test for confirming whether implants are actually the cause of our illness. I've been doing tons of reading about this and people talk of "siliconitis" and some test that finds traces of silicone in their bodies (even with Saline implants). Is this not true? I was hoping that I could find out with some assurance that the implants are indeed the cause of my Rheumatoid Arthritis before I go through the ordeal of removing them. My breast surgery was life-changing for me as I was pretty much deformed prior to getting my implants, so I would hate to remove them for nothing. Are you saying there is no way to tell?? That being said, I will take them out tomorrow if I know they are making me feel this way. Thanks,

again. Linny

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Hi Linny, As I stated, there is no test that will definitively prove that implants are making you sick. Remember the many lawsuits that have been fought in court over silicone gel implants and saline implants? If there would have been any single test to prove that implants caused these women to suffer, it would have been a slam dunk in their favor. You can test for silicone in the body, but that does not mean the implants were at fault even if you find it. The manufacturers have argued that silicone is everywhere. It's in many food products. including diet sodas and beer as an antifoaming agent (GIRLS, another reason to avoid DIET SODA), its in chicken nuggets in the form of polydimethylsiloxane and in other applications as an anti-caking agent and its used medicinally in

the form of simethicone for anti-gas OTC preparations ("GAS-X). It's in cosmetics that we slather on our skin, conditioners that we put on our hair, and who knows how many other ways. So, you see, you would not be able to isolate the silicone to strictly implant exposure. The better test would be to see if you have anti-silicone antibodies. This would more clearly indicate that your body doesn't like something associated with silicone. However, again, this is not a slam-dunk proof that your symptoms are due to the implants. At this time, this particular test is considered "investigational" meaning that no conclusions about its validity can be drawn. It really does not have the credibility it needs to stand up to any court tests; it is not FDA approved; and no association between anti-silicone antibodies and disease have been found. Translation: NO PROOF You can read more about this test: http://www.regence.com/trgmedpol/medicine/med35.html So, we are back to where we started from. Most women who remove their implants do so based on gut feelings, intuition, and the hope of getting better. I am sorry to have to tell you that you won't be able to prove the implants are doing this to you until you remove them. Your proof will be your healing. And that will take time, with no guarantees of 100% healing. But as bad as these odds are, they are better odds than if you leave your implants in. Leaving them in guarantees 100% continuing down the same path or worse. I am really sorry to hear that you received implants due to a deformity. I know this is a very hard decision for you. It is not fair, is it? I wish implants were

100% safe for all women everywhere, as we would not be dealing with this horrible convoluted mess. But the truth is that women do get sick after getting implants and many do get better once the implants are properly removed and they take steps to detox. Spend some time thinking about this. No one has removed their implants for nothing. There is always a blessing. We grow, we mature, we become better women for it, because we learn about what really matters, and learn that there are some things in life that should never be taken for granted. I hope that helps you. Patty <robinson4963@...> wrote: Patty, Thank you so much for your informative response! Wow. I am learning a frightening reality, as all of you have... One clarification I need to make. You said there is no test for confirming whether implants are actually the cause of our illness. I've been doing tons of reading about this and people talk of "siliconitis" and some test that finds traces of silicone in their bodies (even with Saline implants). Is this not true? I was hoping that I could find out with some assurance that the implants are indeed the cause of my Rheumatoid Arthritis before I go through the ordeal of removing them. My breast surgery was life-changing for me as I was pretty much deformed prior to getting my implants,

so I would hate to remove them for nothing. Are you saying there is no way to tell?? That being said, I will take them out tomorrow if I know they are making me feel this way. Thanks, again. Linny Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Autos.

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Hi Linney,

Welcome to the group! My name is Cherie and I just found this group

a couple of weeks ago. I was like you, just shocked that my illness

was coming from my implants and these woman have been suffering with

many of the symptoms that I have. I have been in out out of the E.R.

and the hospital for the last 10 months. I have horrible irritable

bowel syndrome and acid reflux. My digestive system is a wreak! I

just scheduled my implant removal surgery for November. I took the

advice from this group and I'm using one of their recomended Drs. I

am actually flying to Denver to have Dr. Huang do the removal (I live

in California). Patty is right, you have to use you intuition or gut

feeling about making this decision. I have seen 8 Dr.s and no one can

tell me why all of a sudden my body is deteriorating. I just

analyzed how healthly I was before my implants. I had my implants put

in in November 2005 and I started having issue's with my body within

4 months after the insertion. I was in great shape, feeling great

and running 2 miles a day. I have not been able to workout or run

for 10 months.

I must say, the surgery is costing me quite a bit but I know it will

be worth it in the end. My insurance will not cover this. I did see

the surgeon who inserted my implants but she will not remove them

properly with the scar tissue. The girls here told me to run from

her. One of the reasons why I am doing this is because a few years

ago I had another condition after my daughter was born called

Ashermans Syndrome (scar tissue in the uterus). None of my Gyn dr.s I

saw were helping me. I joined an Ashermans group on and they

told me where to go to get help. Let me tell you, that dr. cured me

in one visit by doing a hysteroscopy on me. He was completely

knowledged in that syndrome and knew exactly what I needed. I feel

that those woman in that group saved me! I feel the same about this

one. For me, it helps to be in contact with woman who have been thru

this and know the best outcome.

Hope this helps and good luck!

Cherie

> Patty,

> Thank you so much for your informative response! Wow. I am

learning a frightening reality, as all of you have... One

clarification I need to make. You said there is no test for

confirming whether implants are actually the cause of our illness.

I've been doing tons of reading about this and people talk

of " siliconitis " and some test that finds traces of silicone in their

bodies (even with Saline implants). Is this not true? I was hoping

that I could find out with some assurance that the implants are

indeed the cause of my Rheumatoid Arthritis before I go through the

ordeal of removing them. My breast surgery was life-changing for me

as I was pretty much deformed prior to getting my implants, so I

would hate to remove them for nothing. Are you saying there is no

way to tell?? That being said, I will take them out tomorrow if I

know they are making me feel this way.

> Thanks, again.

> Linny

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Linny ~

There are many chemicals that make up

silicone. All implants have silicone in

some form. When you have implants, you

have 1 or 2 huge bags of toxins in you.

Your body also doesnt recognise implants

as a natural thing, so it fights them and

forms a scar cap around them hoping to

protect you from this foreign object, and

the toxic substances that make up this

foreign object. So, now you have an immune

system that has these huge foreign bodies

to croud aroundand do their work. This

leaves the rest of your body open for attack

without protection ( lowered immunity )

At the same time, enviromental toxins that

your body used to fight and get rid of,

no longer have an army to do so, so things

you used to be able to handle, you become

sensitive to. Your body begins to get confused

and can begin to start attacking itself,

thinking everything is foreign. So actually,

testing for silicone is a waste of time and money.

Proves nothing. It only tests the specamin at

hand anyway, and not your body as a whole.

I had a massive silicone rupture. I was

implanted 2-90, and by 1-2004, I found 5

large marble sized lymph nodes deep on

the side of my breast, up into my armpit. The

doctor had me get a mammogram.............BAD

idea cuz poof ! it blew out the scar cap and

silicone now was able to flow in huge masses

into all my body and organs. My mammo is

in the photo's and shows the thick gel going

up and out of the scar cap where it blew out.

Anyway, I was not explanted properly or

cleaned out, so therefore, the next 8 months,

my body took that junk everywhere in my body.

I was so sick, it was horrible, and I looked like

death woman walking. I was diagnosed with

everything from lupus to osteoporosis,

5 types arthritis, the list was about 20 long.

No kidding. Anyway, my point is, implants are

dangerous. Period ! Anyone at all that was

healthy, and had implants put in, then later

started getting health issues, has implant

issues ! ! The good thing, in many cases, you

get rid of the toxic junk, and detox, you can

reverse it and return your body to a healthy

state. God did not make our bodies to

become ill. He made them with natural defenses,

like fever.....the reason you get a fever is to kill

off invaders. You take something to get rid

of a fever, then you also get rid of that natural

defense that was built in, leaving your body

open for the attack, and anything that comes

with it.

Listen to your body, it is talking to you. Your

inner and higher self led you here, so it is talking

too. Trust your messages, love yourself, and

know we will all be here for you what ever you

decide. Blessings ~

Dede

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Linny ~

The test is useless as far as I am concerned.

I tested a 10 with it, in the normal range, which

at the time was 1-10. This is when I was full

of silicone, and clearly totally allergic to it and

I was and am still seriously ill from it. I still have

tons in me, even though I have had 6 surgeries

detatching my entire chest wall to remove all the

siliconomas, granulomas, cysts, engorged lymph

nodes, necrosis, and gangrene.

I was told that I wouldnt live too long because

my body was not only attacking the silicone, it

is attacking itself. I believed this and stupid me

I have saline in there right now, been there since

1999, and here I am alive and kicking ! ! But

guess what? I have been in the hospital 7 times

in the last 2 years. I have a pacemaker/defibrillator,

It has gone off 12 times due to the heart mal-functioning.

This body has been in kidney failure several times, liver

failure several times, it has spots on it now, and suposedly

has moderate to severe lung obstruction without emphysema.

My guess, it is silicone that is stuck in all the organs.

I am now waiting to get this heart stronger so I can have

these out. Even tho I have been dealing with all this

I do NOT believe I am dieing. I used to, when I kept

being told I was, and when I still trusted the medical field

and the drug companies and our government ( FDA ),

as we were raised to.

One of the biggest battles we have, is the battlefield of

the mind, between what we learn from our brainwashing,

and what we know from our instincts. You are here with

the group for a reason. Listen to your messages, love

yourself, and trust your instincts, they are always right........

Hugs N Prayers ~

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~

If you are allergic to it, you will have a quicker reaction.

If you already have a toxic overload due to environment,

what you eat, chemicals you use, etc.......then your overload

and immune system will be affected at different rates.

Everyone is alittle different anyway, and genetically

predisposed to certain things due to genetics.

My grandmother had lupus. I have lupus and was treated

for it for years while I had insurance, til I got so sick I had to

stop working. Boy I tell ya, drugs can sure make you sick !

and when you have a diagnoses like that, a doctor can sure

make a load of income off of you ! ! The drugs have side

affects, that become illnesses with more drugs to take.

It becomes a vicious cycle for you and a huge money maker

for the doctors, drug companies, and people who own stock

in the drug companies. I have a sister that is on 20 different

drugs a day. It all started 15 years ago with a anti-depressant,

to help her deal with a rocky marriage and childhood things.

One lead to another, to another, and another. All drugs to

take care of side effects of the other drugs.

Example, the anti-depressant can cause headaches, stomach

problems and sleeplessness, Now you have 3 more diagnoses

to drug, nexium for the stomach, migranal for the headaches,

and sleeping pills for no sleep. Well, migranal can cause

high blood pressure, and an increase in lipids, so, now

you have 2 more diseases to drug. The medicine for high

blood pressure can cause high blood sugar, the high lipids

you get put on a statin. The statin can cause muscle aches

and joint pain, now, you have 2 more diseases and more drugs.

SICK, huh? All those drugs can cause depression, so, now

the one anti-depressant isnt working, so, she is now on 3

different ones a day.

I believe now her only problem is "drug induced " illness

and brainwashing to believe all the crap.

I hope this helps........

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~

It is in my opinion, yes, or at least most people will

have a reaction at some point of some sort, even if it

is just a chronic drippy nose, or getting tired easy.

Or having stomach aches frequently, or even headaches.

There are just too many toxic chemicals in them.

Even the silicone shell of the saline implants

break down and silicone is found in the scar caps,

and in the lymph nodes, and I am sure in your other

organs.

My sister believes in and trusts her doctors, the

drug companies, and the FDA. She is a black

and white type person, one that lives by the book,

and prefers to trust and not question.

What a limited life that is. But I respect her,

and the differences of opinion.

I, on the otherhand, am very colorful, believe that

anything at all is possible, and thru experience

question everything. Every time I didnt, it

came back to bite me.

Hugs N Prayers ~

Dede

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Girls ~

I have a friend that has a silicone chin implant. This

has made a huge difference in his life, as he did not have

a chin, and it GQ with one. Unfortunately, he has

arthritis in his back, and various arthralgias in other

places of his body. He also gets frequent colds.

He is very active and owns a bicycle shop.

Hopefully he will realize that it is his chin

and not his age.

So far, he prefers to not think that there is a

relationship there, even though he knows my

medical journey. Hopefully the deterioriation

goes no further for him. Only time will tell.

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Well, unfortunately, these drugs work by altering your

hormones, and since they dont test for these, you are

getting horrible imbalances and dont even know it. Taken

longterm, what does that do? No telling ! !

You know, the doctors had me on 3 different diuretics

at a time for my heart, and I still wasnt peeing enough.

Not once did they try to find out why, they just kept

increasing the crap. It kept making me sicker and sicker

with everything from kidney failure to pancreatitis. I

took it upon myself to wein off of all of them. I talked

my kidney specialist into running the aldosterone and renin

tests, then I did the saliva tests with Canary, and wallah !

There is the answer ! I dont have enough anti-diuretic

hormones, so no amount of diuretics would have worked.

This crap went on for a year and a half. I am glad I listened

to my better half ~ my instincts ~

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No wonder your dear friend had problems with this ! !

Effecor XR

SIDE EFFECTS: This medication may initially cause dizziness and nausea as your body adjusts to the medication. Other side effects reported include trouble sleeping, nervousness, sweating, loss of appetite, dry mouth, tremor, blurred vision, constipation, drowsiness, change in sexual ability, or anxiety. If any of these effects persist or worsen, notify your doctor promptly. Notify your doctor immediately if you develop any of these serious effects: rapid or irregular heartbeat, chest pain, severe headache, painful or difficult urination, muscle cramping, unusual or severe mental/mood changes, seizures. Tell your doctor immediately if any of these unlikely but serious side effects occur: black stools, "coffee ground" vomit, easy bruising/bleeding. An allergic reaction to this drug is unlikely, but seek immediate medical attention if it occurs. Symptoms of an allergic reaction include: rash, itching, swelling, dizziness, trouble breathing. If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist.

NOW, TELL ME, which would you rather have alittle depression to work thru or the above side effects?

here is more: This drug may make you dizzy or drowsy and may affect judgment, thinking, or your physical reactions; use caution engaging in activities requiring alertness such as driving or using machinery. Avoid alcoholic beverages. Though uncommon, depression can lead to thoughts or attempts of suicide. VENLAFAXINE SUSTAINED-RELEASE - ORAL (Effexor XR) side effects, medical uses, and drug interactions.

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~

Actually, there are direct links. If you do the

research, you can find it. here is one, and it

comes from the FDA site.

IMMUNOTOXICOLOGY/TOXICOLOGY

when done reading, you can go to the top of the page

where you see, back to table of contents, in blue, it

takes you back to the first page showing it is onthe

FDA site. There are many doctors that have

written their studies and findings too.

But you consider, last year, the implant industry

grossed over a billion in profits. No wonder they

protect their blood money, their greed and desire

for money power is greater than their desire for

humanity.

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Ladies, Thank you all for your support and willingness to teach me about this sad situation. I am trying to do tons of research and had read most of the files housed on this site to educate myself, but as you know, it doesn't all "sink in" instantly. Patty, thank you so much for the link on anti-silicone antibody testing. The article really only talks about it in reference to silicone gel implants and does not mention saline. Do you ladies here know if people get this test regulary? With saline implants? Is this a normal route to go or do most of you just get explanted to be on the safe side. Continued thanks... Linny

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~How funny you say that. I am dealing with lots

of illness right now, and have been mostly bed-

ridden for the last 2 years, not to mention having

a constant lupus flare from may of 2003 til sept

of 2005 when my whole body went into failure.

So, I have alot of time on my hands, read alot

to feed the brain, and also, this helps me give

of myself to society. I have always been a doer

and a giver, and can no longer the way I used to,

so now, when I can, I sit here and research, and

support, and joke around as laughter is the

best medicine of all, well of course next to love.....

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Hi Dede,

You explanation of silicone was really informative but made me

question why do some women react to this while others don't if our

bodies all have immune systems. That is odd. How have you been

feeling? I have been busy with school so I haven't had much chance

to sign on. Hope you are well.

>

> Linny ~

> There are many chemicals that make up

> silicone. All implants have silicone in

> some form. When you have implants, you

> have 1 or 2 huge bags of toxins in you.

> Your body also doesnt recognise implants

> as a natural thing, so it fights them and

> forms a scar cap around them hoping to

> protect you from this foreign object, and

> the toxic substances that make up this

> foreign object. So, now you have an immune

> system that has these huge foreign bodies

> to croud aroundand do their work. This

> leaves the rest of your body open for attack

> without protection ( lowered immunity )

> At the same time, enviromental toxins that

> your body used to fight and get rid of,

> no longer have an army to do so, so things

> you used to be able to handle, you become

> sensitive to. Your body begins to get confused

> and can begin to start attacking itself,

> thinking everything is foreign. So actually,

> testing for silicone is a waste of time and money.

> Proves nothing. It only tests the specamin at

> hand anyway, and not your body as a whole.

> I had a massive silicone rupture. I was

> implanted 2-90, and by 1-2004, I found 5

> large marble sized lymph nodes deep on

> the side of my breast, up into my armpit. The

> doctor had me get a mammogram.............BAD

> idea cuz poof ! it blew out the scar cap and

> silicone now was able to flow in huge masses

> into all my body and organs. My mammo is

> in the photo's and shows the thick gel going

> up and out of the scar cap where it blew out.

> Anyway, I was not explanted properly or

> cleaned out, so therefore, the next 8 months,

> my body took that junk everywhere in my body.

> I was so sick, it was horrible, and I looked like

> death woman walking. I was diagnosed with

> everything from lupus to osteoporosis,

> 5 types arthritis, the list was about 20 long.

> No kidding. Anyway, my point is, implants are

> dangerous. Period ! Anyone at all that was

> healthy, and had implants put in, then later

> started getting health issues, has implant

> issues ! ! The good thing, in many cases, you

> get rid of the toxic junk, and detox, you can

> reverse it and return your body to a healthy

> state. God did not make our bodies to

> become ill. He made them with natural defenses,

> like fever.....the reason you get a fever is to kill

> off invaders. You take something to get rid

> of a fever, then you also get rid of that natural

> defense that was built in, leaving your body

> open for the attack, and anything that comes

> with it.

> Listen to your body, it is talking to you. Your

> inner and higher self led you here, so it is talking

> too. Trust your messages, love yourself, and

> know we will all be here for you what ever you

> decide. Blessings ~

> Dede

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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HI Dede,

Wow that is scary! Has she ever tried coming off of them. My

girlfriend was on anti depressants for years and decided she no

longer wanted to take them,. The doctor disagreed and would not

coach her on weaning them out of her system so she just decided to

Detox. They had her down for a good week, she could not even get out

of bed and then one morning she woke up and she was her old self

again. She is so much better off now since she stopped taking the

meds which were actually making her much worse. So at some point all

women whop have implants will become affected by them whether they

know it or not?

>

> ~

> If you are allergic to it, you will have a quicker reaction.

> If you already have a toxic overload due to environment,

> what you eat, chemicals you use, etc.......then your overload

> and immune system will be affected at different rates.

> Everyone is alittle different anyway, and genetically

> predisposed to certain things due to genetics.

> My grandmother had lupus. I have lupus and was treated

> for it for years while I had insurance, til I got so sick I had to

> stop working. Boy I tell ya, drugs can sure make you sick !

> and when you have a diagnoses like that, a doctor can sure

> make a load of income off of you ! ! The drugs have side

> affects, that become illnesses with more drugs to take.

> It becomes a vicious cycle for you and a huge money maker

> for the doctors, drug companies, and people who own stock

> in the drug companies. I have a sister that is on 20 different

> drugs a day. It all started 15 years ago with a anti-depressant,

> to help her deal with a rocky marriage and childhood things.

> One lead to another, to another, and another. All drugs to

> take care of side effects of the other drugs.

> Example, the anti-depressant can cause headaches, stomach

> problems and sleeplessness, Now you have 3 more diagnoses

> to drug, nexium for the stomach, migranal for the headaches,

> and sleeping pills for no sleep. Well, migranal can cause

> high blood pressure, and an increase in lipids, so, now

> you have 2 more diseases to drug. The medicine for high

> blood pressure can cause high blood sugar, the high lipids

> you get put on a statin. The statin can cause muscle aches

> and joint pain, now, you have 2 more diseases and more drugs.

> SICK, huh? All those drugs can cause depression, so, now

> the one anti-depressant isnt working, so, she is now on 3

> different ones a day.

> I believe now her only problem is " drug induced " illness

> and brainwashing to believe all the crap.

> I hope this helps........

> Hugs N Prayers ~

> Dede

>

>

>

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, This happens because every person is different. It's the same princple as with bee stings, and peanut butter and eggs and everything else that some people react to....why do some people nearly die from a bee sting and others suffer nothing more than a bump? Why do some people nearly die from eating shellfish, while others can consume all the shrimp, lobster and other seafoods they want? Why do some people react negatively to drugs, nearly dying from the same thing that others do not react to at all? You see, this type of reaction occurs everywhere in the medical field. It's based on biological individuality. The professionals have simply blinded themselves to the possibility that the same thing is happening with implants. Pattylisatucholski <lisatucholski@...> wrote: Hi Dede,You explanation of silicone was really informative but made me question why do some women react to this while others don't if our bodies all have immune systems. That is odd. How have you been feeling? I have been busy with school so I haven't had much chance to sign on. Hope you are well.>> Linny ~ > There are many chemicals that make up > silicone. All implants have silicone in > some form. When you

have implants, you > have 1 or 2 huge bags of toxins in you. > Your body also doesnt recognise implants> as a natural thing, so it fights them and> forms a scar cap around them hoping to > protect you from this foreign object, and> the toxic substances that make up this> foreign object. So, now you have an immune > system that has these huge foreign bodies > to croud aroundand do their work. This> leaves the rest of your body open for attack> without protection ( lowered immunity ) > At the same time, enviromental toxins that> your body used to fight and get rid of, > no longer have an army to do so, so things > you used to be able to handle, you become > sensitive to. Your body begins to get confused> and can begin to start attacking itself, > thinking everything is foreign. So actually, > testing for silicone is a waste of time and money.

> Proves nothing. It only tests the specamin at > hand anyway, and not your body as a whole. > I had a massive silicone rupture. I was > implanted 2-90, and by 1-2004, I found 5> large marble sized lymph nodes deep on > the side of my breast, up into my armpit. The> doctor had me get a mammogram.............BAD > idea cuz poof ! it blew out the scar cap and > silicone now was able to flow in huge masses > into all my body and organs. My mammo is > in the photo's and shows the thick gel going> up and out of the scar cap where it blew out. > Anyway, I was not explanted properly or > cleaned out, so therefore, the next 8 months, > my body took that junk everywhere in my body. > I was so sick, it was horrible, and I looked like > death woman walking. I was diagnosed with > everything from lupus to osteoporosis,> 5 types arthritis, the

list was about 20 long. > No kidding. Anyway, my point is, implants are> dangerous. Period ! Anyone at all that was > healthy, and had implants put in, then later > started getting health issues, has implant > issues ! ! The good thing, in many cases, you > get rid of the toxic junk, and detox, you can> reverse it and return your body to a healthy > state. God did not make our bodies to> become ill. He made them with natural defenses,> like fever.....the reason you get a fever is to kill > off invaders. You take something to get rid > of a fever, then you also get rid of that natural> defense that was built in, leaving your body > open for the attack, and anything that comes > with it.> Listen to your body, it is talking to you. Your> inner and higher self led you here, so it is talking> too. Trust your messages, love yourself, and > know we

will all be here for you what ever you > decide. Blessings ~> Dede> > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com>

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Patty ~

I am not doing anything yet. I need to make an

appointment with a naturopath. I got a letter

from my renal doc, and she wants to see me.

I need to do that cortsyn stim test. I just havent

been able to because my heart doc wanted me to

have a couple months back on the meds and time

for my heart to heal from that 5000 volts it took.

I wonder, just what damage has my heart had from

all that?

Before I do anything, or use anything, I

prefer to see if the ovaries are actually there,

and I need to find out if my problem is a

pitutary tumor. This test should tell

alot. I have been reading up on the pitutary

site, and I just fit in snuggly. If the pitutary

is spitting out abnormal estrogen/testosterone,

and TSH, as mine is, along with not having

enough anti-diuretic hormones, then it is a

pitutary problem and if corrected, then the

hormones will correct.

I have also been reading alot on cushings and

steroid induced cushings, and girl, I fit in there

too. In 2 years I went from being fit and very

trim to looking exactly like this:

Steroid Warning Network - Home

I have a horrible suspicion that when I had my last

hospital visit, when my heart did not stop the arrhythema

and they gave me some drugs IV, it may have been steroids

again. I have to find out ! It would make sense as to why

I am so ill right now. Steroids use to help me feel better,

but in the last 4 years, they make me very ill. I believe that

is why I am in a raging lupus flare, I still have a 2-3 degree

elevation in my body temperature, which makes my heart

race. I have had this fever for almost 4 weeks now.

I take my aspirin at noon, so it goes down a degree,

but doesnt stay there. The pain I have been having has

been ungodly, and crule.

Anyway, I will be making my appointments tomorrow for

the tests, and my kidney doc, and the naturopath. I

just hope the one I choose, is a listener, and a take

action type of person !

Thank you for asking. You know, in cushings

you have the big mushy lumps above your clavicle,

just like I have had for this past year. They are huge.

I have that buffalo hump, my gut looks exactly like

that picture, and I had a flat belly 2 years ago. My

boobs look like that too, where did they come from?

I had all my breast tissue removed. I will need a reduction

at the time of implant removal, and now, a lift since they

are almost down to my belly button.

It is amazing how I look just like that pic, all except my

hair is down to my butt.

Here is me a few years ago, and this is how I looked

for years and years:

the one below is actually the next year, see how flat

I was, I only had a thin layer of skin over implants, now

I have huge boobs ! I was feeling pretty bad then, and

you can tell, I had lost more weight....I was in almost a

continueous lupus flare. I also ate circles around anyone.

It is very strange to go from that, to how I am right now. I

literally look like that cushings photo. Around the biggest

part of my body and gut is ...........47 1/2 inches ! ! I weigh in

at 177 today ! ! and I giggle and I wiggle when I walk ! !

Yes, I caught both fish. A friend of mine took me

deep sea fishing for my and his birthday a couple times.

It was awesome.

So, you see my concern.......this does not happen over

night unless there is a problem.

So, I will keep ya posted on anything new I find out.

Have you heard from ? Ya know, if my pitutary

is releasing inappropriate amounts of those hormones

it would explain the low dhea with the high testosterone

and estrogen, as well as the TSH fluctuations. 17.66 in

December, and 7.9 when in the hospital a month ago,

with the saliva TSH done 10 days before, being normal.

We will see.......

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I have to wonder about all these women on anti-depressants, especially if they really don't help them. I've heard such horror stories about anti-depressants and what happens when you try to get off them. And then I read that estrogen has similar affects on the brain as these drugs! So I am wondering if natural, bio-identical hormones would be a better choice than these anti-depressants! Dr. Vliet says in her book, "Screaming to Be Heard; Hormones Connections Women Suspect and Doctors Still Ignore", on page 35 "Estrogen has an activating effect on brain centers and contributes to enhanced energy and mood as well as clarity of thinking, sharper memory, and ability to concentrate. In chapter 3 I will show you some of the many ways estrogen acts on the brain that are similar to the actions of present anti-depressant medications." If I was prescribed anti-depressants, I think I'd show the doctor this book (I'm still getting to chapter 3), and try the hormones before I'd try the anti-depressants. Food for thought. I think Dr. Vliet's book is outstanding! , we don't know exactly how many women ultimately react to their implants. There are literally thousands of women out there who are sick from their implants and do not know it. I have run into them over and over and over again, and they are in HUGE denial. On the other hand, I have a friend or two that have had implants for over a decade and claim to have no problems whatsoever and their health seems good. Perhaps there are a number of women that can handle implants okay, but we just don't know what the percentages are on either side. Patty lisatucholski <lisatucholski@...> wrote: HI Dede,Wow that is scary! Has she ever tried coming off of them. My girlfriend was on anti depressants for years and decided she no longer wanted to take them,. The doctor disagreed and would not coach her on weaning them out of her system so she just decided to Detox. They had her down for a good week, she could not even get out of bed and then one morning she woke up and she was her old self again. She is so much

better off now since she stopped taking the meds which were actually making her much worse. So at some point all women whop have implants will become affected by them whether they know it or not?>> ~> If you are allergic to it, you will have a quicker reaction.> If you already have a toxic overload due to environment, > what you eat, chemicals you use, etc.......then your overload> and immune system will be affected at different rates. > Everyone is alittle different anyway, and genetically> predisposed to certain things due to genetics.> My grandmother had lupus. I have lupus and was treated> for it for years while I had insurance, til I got so sick I had to> stop working. Boy I tell ya, drugs can sure make you sick ! > and when you

have a diagnoses like that, a doctor can sure> make a load of income off of you ! ! The drugs have side> affects, that become illnesses with more drugs to take.> It becomes a vicious cycle for you and a huge money maker> for the doctors, drug companies, and people who own stock> in the drug companies. I have a sister that is on 20 different> drugs a day. It all started 15 years ago with a anti-depressant, > to help her deal with a rocky marriage and childhood things. > One lead to another, to another, and another. All drugs to > take care of side effects of the other drugs. > Example, the anti-depressant can cause headaches, stomach> problems and sleeplessness, Now you have 3 more diagnoses> to drug, nexium for the stomach, migranal for the headaches, > and sleeping pills for no sleep. Well, migranal can cause > high blood pressure, and an increase in lipids, so, now>

you have 2 more diseases to drug. The medicine for high> blood pressure can cause high blood sugar, the high lipids> you get put on a statin. The statin can cause muscle aches> and joint pain, now, you have 2 more diseases and more drugs.> SICK, huh? All those drugs can cause depression, so, now> the one anti-depressant isnt working, so, she is now on 3 > different ones a day.> I believe now her only problem is "drug induced " illness> and brainwashing to believe all the crap.> I hope this helps........> Hugs N Prayers ~> Dede> > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com>

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