Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Suggestions for Marty, this 52-year-old male? He feels fatigued, pulse is in the 60s, but BP is 150/70. Not taking any medications other than standard AF and thyroid supplements: Vits C, B5, CoQ10, ashwagandha, etc. Should he be on something for his BP? Also, he wakes about 5 a.m. with internal quivers. I thought hypoglycemia but he says he doesn't feel hungry. Thanks, Barb 07:00 - 08:00 AM 15 Normal 13-24 nM 11:00 - Noon 3 Depressed 5-10 nM 04:00 - 05:00 PM 5 Normal 3-8 nM 11:00 - Midnight 3 Normal 1-4 nM Cortisol Burden: 26 23 – 42 DHEA 2 Depressed Adults (M/F): 3-10 ng/ml fTSH TSH 40 Normal Borderline Low: 20-25 nIU/ml Normal: 26-85 nIU/ml Borderline High: 86-120 nIU/ml fT4 0.35 Normal Normal: 0.17-0.42 ng/dl fT3 0.38 Normal Borderline Low: 0.21-0.27 pg/ml Normal: 0.28-1.10 pg/ml TPO Microsomal Ab, SIgA Negative Normal: Negative E2 Estradiol 14 Male(20-49 yrs): 1-3 pg/ml Male(50-85 yrs): 1-5 pg/ml P1 Progesterone 163 Male ( adult ): 5-95 pg/ml TTF Free Testosterone 31 Male (51-60 yrs): 35-65 pg/ml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Hello, With those sex hormones, hopefully Val will step in here, but his Cortisol readins and symptoms show low cortisol. I also don't think everyone necessarily feels hungry when they wake up with hypoglycemia. He might want to talk to a doctor about more AF tests such as the stim test and even an ACTH serum test since he has the luxury of not currently being on HC yet. Onnce he has all the tests, I would definitely see about getting on HC from the doctor or giving Isocort a try. He also appears to by hypothyroid, but he is going to need to address the low cortisol first of the thyroid treatment will go badly. As for the sex hormones, I don't know enough about these to give recs, but the low DHEA could be contributing to the low testosterone, which can certainly cause fatigue in males, in addition to the hypo and low cortisol. Val will have to advise how to treat the high estrogen and Progeterone in males. Kathleen > > Suggestions for Marty, this 52-year-old male? He feels fatigued, > pulse is in the 60s, but BP is 150/70. Not taking any medications > other than standard AF and thyroid supplements: Vits C, B5, CoQ10, > ashwagandha, etc. Should he be on something for his BP? Also, he > wakes about 5 a.m. with internal quivers. I thought hypoglycemia but > he says he doesn't feel hungry. Thanks, Barb > > 07:00 - 08:00 AM 15 Normal 13-24 nM > 11:00 - Noon 3 Depressed 5-10 nM > 04:00 - 05:00 PM 5 Normal 3-8 nM > 11:00 - Midnight 3 Normal 1-4 nM > Cortisol Burden: 26 23 – 42 > > DHEA 2 Depressed Adults (M/F): 3-10 ng/ml > > fTSH TSH 40 Normal Borderline Low: 20-25 nIU/ml > Normal: 26-85 nIU/ml > Borderline High: 86-120 nIU/ml > > fT4 0.35 Normal Normal: 0.17-0.42 ng/dl > fT3 0.38 Normal Borderline Low: 0.21-0.27 pg/ml > Normal: 0.28-1.10 pg/ml > TPO Microsomal Ab, SIgA Negative Normal: Negative > > E2 Estradiol 14 Male(20-49 yrs): 1-3 pg/ml > Male(50-85 yrs): 1-5 pg/ml > P1 Progesterone 163 Male ( adult ): 5-95 pg/ml > TTF Free Testosterone 31 Male (51-60 yrs): 35-65 pg/ml > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Forgot to add that being hypo can cause high BP. Kathleen > > Suggestions for Marty, this 52-year-old male? He feels fatigued, > pulse is in the 60s, but BP is 150/70. Not taking any medications > other than standard AF and thyroid supplements: Vits C, B5, CoQ10, > ashwagandha, etc. Should he be on something for his BP? Also, he > wakes about 5 a.m. with internal quivers. I thought hypoglycemia but > he says he doesn't feel hungry. Thanks, Barb > > 07:00 - 08:00 AM 15 Normal 13-24 nM > 11:00 - Noon 3 Depressed 5-10 nM > 04:00 - 05:00 PM 5 Normal 3-8 nM > 11:00 - Midnight 3 Normal 1-4 nM > Cortisol Burden: 26 23 – 42 > > DHEA 2 Depressed Adults (M/F): 3-10 ng/ml > > fTSH TSH 40 Normal Borderline Low: 20-25 nIU/ml > Normal: 26-85 nIU/ml > Borderline High: 86-120 nIU/ml > > fT4 0.35 Normal Normal: 0.17-0.42 ng/dl > fT3 0.38 Normal Borderline Low: 0.21-0.27 pg/ml > Normal: 0.28-1.10 pg/ml > TPO Microsomal Ab, SIgA Negative Normal: Negative > > E2 Estradiol 14 Male(20-49 yrs): 1-3 pg/ml > Male(50-85 yrs): 1-5 pg/ml > P1 Progesterone 163 Male ( adult ): 5-95 pg/ml > TTF Free Testosterone 31 Male (51-60 yrs): 35-65 pg/ml > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 I would suggest he try Isocort. He MAY need BP meds but only if the bottom number rises over 80. Fo rnow he is probabyl oK 2wiht that. I would suggest he start with Sea salt 1/2 tsp twice daily and then taper the Isocort up to 8 pellets a day. Men need mroe cortiosl than women so he labs are a little worse than if thee same numbers were for a woman. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Does the high progesterone mean anything or might everything normalize with Isocort with time? > > I would suggest he try Isocort. He MAY need BP meds but only if the > bottom number rises over 80. Fo rnow he is probabyl oK 2wiht that. I > would suggest he start with Sea salt 1/2 tsp twice daily and then taper > the Isocort up to 8 pellets a day. Men need mroe cortiosl than women so > he labs are a little worse than if thee same numbers were for a woman. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 High progesterone is his body trying to counter the too high estrogen and also inapropriate conversions going obn due to the low cortisol. The proper way to treat this is to treat the cortisl fuirst, then address thyroid then recheck sex hormones which usually have completely changed by this time. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 In general, how long would you expect him to be on Isocort? Taper up and hold for how long? Or is it a try it and see kind of thing? Some people stabilize right away and others find they need to move to HC? > > I would suggest he try Isocort. He MAY need BP meds but only if the > bottom number rises over 80. Fo rnow he is probabyl oK 2wiht that. I > would suggest he start with Sea salt 1/2 tsp twice daily and then taper > the Isocort up to 8 pellets a day. Men need mroe cortiosl than women so > he labs are a little worse than if thee same numbers were for a woman. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 >>In general, how long would you expect him to be on Isocort? Taper up and hold for how long? Or is it a try it and see kind of thing? Some people stabilize right away and others find they need to move to HC?<< It pretty much depends on the individual. I honestly feel the soonewr it is treated the better peopel respond. Many of us here ahve had YEARS of health problems leading to this, and we are struggling wiht thta as well as the adrenals that crashed due to our years of illness. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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