Asthma Inhalers and Isocort dosing

[Guest guest]

Hi there Val....

June here - I started on the Isocort protocol from your info yesterday.

I haven't reduced my 3 grains Armour yet but know to look out for

symptoms of thyroid dumping.....

Question: I am on Asthma inhalers; 2 puffs of blue and 2 puffs of brown

inhaler twice daily...will this affect the way I dose on Isocort?

I did not take my asthma medication 2 days before and on the day of the

Salivery Adrenal Stress Test ( as advised by NPTech) though adrenal

function still showed quite bad adrenal insufficiency....

Thank again Regards June

[Guest guest]

>>June here - I started on the Isocort protocol from your info yesterday.

I haven't reduced my 3 grains Armour yet but know to look out for

symptoms of thyroid dumping.....

Question: I am on Asthma inhalers; 2 puffs of blue and 2 puffs of brown

inhaler twice daily...will this affect the way I dose on Isocort?<<

I need to know the NAME of the inhalers. There are many different kinds and

strengths of these and if they are steroid, it kind of makes your saliva testing

null and void. ALL steroids change adrenal function.

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[Guest guest]

Val, the inhalers are:

100mg Ventolin - a salbutamol sulphate. 2 puffs morning & evening.

Becalzone 100 Easi-Breathe (Beclometasone 200 metered dose) - 2 puffs

morning & evening.

Thanks June

> I need to know the NAME of the inhalers. There are many different

kinds and strengths of these and if they are steroid, it kind of makes

your saliva testing null and void. ALL steroids change adrenal function.

>

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The Beclazone inhaler is corticosteroids. And WILL affect your saliva

testing. The other one nto so much I could not findwhere it is steroidal

at all, but this one is.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Val - Ron (NPTech) assured me that if I didn't take either

inhalers the day before the test and the day of the test that it would

OK and not affect the test?????

The second salivery adrenal stress test results without inhalers were

slightly different from the first results, however were still bad

regards cortisol levels.

This is my second day on Isocort (1 x am) should I stop now or carry on?

Regards June

>

> The Beclazone inhaler is corticosteroids. And WILL affect your saliva

> testing. The other one nto so much I could not findwhere it is

steroidal

> at all, but this one is.

>

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[Guest guest]

>> Hi Val - Ron (NPTech) assured me that if I didn't take either

inhalers the day before the test and the day of the test that it would

OK and not affect the test?????<<

What happens is that the steroid supresses your own cortiosl production. It

takes at least 2 weeks off the steroid for the adrneals to go back to their full

amount they can produce, thus why I say to be pff steroids for at least 2 weeks

before testing or you WILL always come up showing too low. He is wrong. He is

totally forgetting abou tthe supressive efects of steroids on the adrenal

funcitonm and it doesn't come back up over night or we would all be able to wean

off steroids MUCH easier than we actually can/.

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[Guest guest]

Val - I have re-posted my last 3 saliv adrenal stress index tests from

NPTech because in view of me taking the inhalers I now have a couple of

more questions (sorry)....

Date

8am

Range

NMOL/L

12 noon

Range

NMOL/L

4pm

Range

NMOL/L

Midnight

Range

NMOL/L

June `06

18.5

6.0-33.0

7.9

4.0-28.0

7.0

1.0-11.8

4.0

1.0-5.0

July `07

1.1

12.0-33.0

7.4

10.0-28.0

1.8

6.0-11.8

9.6

1.0-5.9

Sept `07

10.9

12.0-33.0

2.6

10.0-28.0

2.2

6.0-11.8

1.0

1.0-5.9

June 2006 results were just after I started Nutri Adrenal Extra (NAE)

and before I started Armour. July 2007 was the test I questioned and

Septemeer 2007 was teh test NPTech did foc but this time without the

inhaler meds.

I stopped taking NAE a few weeks back now and am still taking 3 grains

Armour.

Question: Looking at the results, do you still think I should continue

with Isocort? This is my 3rd morning and I'm good with it and actually

have slept well too.....

Question: If yes stay on the Isocort, should I rethink the dosing

schedule....

Question: If yes and I say on Isocort, should I then try and reduce my

Armour over time?

I realise this is a lot to ask Val but I would appreciate your opinion

on this....

Having thought about what you said Val - a whole lot more now makes

sense because when I take the inhalers regularly when I have a chest

infection or bronchitis (which I get a lot!) I then must be depressing

my cortisol further when it is obviously in need of bumping up by stress

dosing???

Regards June x

>

> >> Hi Val - Ron (NPTech) assured me that if I didn't take

either

> inhalers the day before the test and the day of the test that it would

> OK and not affect the test?????<<

>

> What happens is that the steroid supresses your own cortiosl

production. It takes at least 2 weeks off the steroid for the adrneals

to go back to their full amount they can produce, thus why I say to be

pff steroids for at least 2 weeks before testing or you WILL always come

up showing too low. He is wrong. He is totally forgetting abou tthe

supressive efects of steroids on the adrenal funcitonm and it doesn't

come back up over night or we would all be able to wean off steroids

MUCH easier than we actually can/.

>

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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>

[Guest guest]

Sorry the table didn';t come out too well there did it - I'll post the

table of cortisol results on files with the other one Val...

June

>

>

> Val - I have re-posted my last 3 saliv adrenal stress index tests from

> NPTech because in view of me taking the inhalers I now have a couple

of

> more questions (sorry)....

>

>

> Date

>

> 8am

>

> Range

>

[Guest guest]

You can try the Isocort, but plan on going to stronger meds.I do nto

knwo how pften you use the inhalers or especially how regularly, but

thta carry the same dire warningsa as using to much HC in that over time

if you are using high dose they can and will shut your own adrneals

down. This may be what you are dealing wiht rather than classic adrenal

fatigue, or the weak adrenals (or hypothyroid) may be the cause of your

breathing problems.

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[Guest guest]

Thinking all this through Val I am sure you are right...This is

something that should be a contra indication for hypothyroid patients

BEFORE they are prescribed inhalers....

Although supposed to take 2 puus twice daily of the 'bad' one I do tend

to forget some days but have been prescribed this for over 2 years

now!!!! No wonder my poor adrenals have been struggling....

I stopped the inhalers as soon as we began this discussion - I don't

have a chest infection nor doing too much just now - and plan to

continue on the protocol on your dosing help page....This is day 3 and I

feel good so will up to include a lunchtime dose tonorrow....Sound OK

to you?

Regards June

>

> You can try the Isocort, but plan on going to stronger meds.I do nto

> knwo how pften you use the inhalers or especially how regularly, but

> thta carry the same dire warningsa as using to much HC in that over

time

> if you are using high dose they can and will shut your own adrneals

> down. This may be what you are dealing wiht rather than classic

adrenal

> fatigue, or the weak adrenals (or hypothyroid) may be the cause of

your

> breathing problems.

[Guest guest]

That should be fine! What amazes me is how many children and teenagers

are prescribed these inhalers FREELY with no warnings at all abotu steroids!

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