Re: surgery rather that RAI?

[Guest guest]

I've been thinking about this study. Doesn't it just show

something everyoone with Graves knows, ie that Graves is really

rough on the body?

GD is a result of the whole metabolism being overstressed and

out of balance and of having to take ATDs which (like most

medications) are toxic so cause extra stress to the liver and

kidneys etc.. If our immune systems are putting all their energy

into attacking our thyroids, they must be a bit depleted for the job

of identifying and getting rid of the first mutating cells that go on

to become tumors. They take longer to get rid of infections so

these have more impact. I imagine that you would find that

people with Graves take longer to get rid of colds and flu and are

just a bit more prone to many other diseases too.

Mind you, a lot of people over 35 seem to have or had some

serious health problem. If its not one thing, its another.

> Hello all,

> I found this study and although disturbing, might be a clue to

go for surgery rather that RAI. What do you think?

>

>

>

> : Thyroid 1998 Sep;8(9):751-4

>

>

> Cancer risk in individuals with benign thyroid disorders.

>

> Mellemgaard A, From G, nsen T, Johansen C, Olsen JH,

Perrild H.

>

> Danish Cancer Society, Division of Cancer Epidemiology,

Strandboulevarden.

>

> The risk of cancer was examined in a cohort of 57,326

individuals who were discharged from a Danish hospital with a

diagnosis of myxedema, thyrotoxicosis, or goiter. Although the

general risk of cancer was only slightly increased, the risk of

several sites was significantly above expected. The risk of thyroid

cancer especially, was increased with standardized incidence

ratios among women of 2.1 (myxedema), 2.5 (thyrotoxicosis),

and 6.6 (nontoxic goiter). The increase in risk was present even

many years after discharge, indicating that surveillance was not

the only explanation. Furthermore, an increased risk was noted

for cancer of the kidney in women discharged with myxedema

(standardized incidence ratios [sIR] = 1.8) and thyrotoxicosis

(SIR = 1.3), for cancer of the bladder in women discharged with

myxedema (SIR = 1.5) and nontoxic goiter (SIR = 1.3), and for

cancer of the hematopoetic system in women discharged with

myxedema (SIR = 1.4) and nontoxic goiter (SIR = 1.4). The

findings indicate that thyroid disorders may be related to cancer

risk of several specific sites other than the thyroid.

>

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>

>

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[Guest guest]

>>>>>They take longer to get rid of infections so these have more impact. I

>>>>>imagine that you would find that people with Graves take longer to get

>>>>>rid of colds and flu and are just a bit more prone to many other

>>>>>diseases too.<<<<<

Actually I have had very few colds or any other maladies since GD. In many

ways I am much healthier than I was pre-graves which is a good thing as GD

is tough enough some days.

Jody

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[Guest guest]

Hi Anise,

What you say is true. And it makes no sense whatsoever, to me that

is, to give a massive dose of radiation to someone who is prone to

developing cancer.

> > Hello all,

> > I found this study and although disturbing, might be a clue to

> go for surgery rather that RAI. What do you think?

> >

> >

> >

> > : Thyroid 1998 Sep;8(9):751-4

> >

> >

> > Cancer risk in individuals with benign thyroid disorders.

> >

> > Mellemgaard A, From G, nsen T, Johansen C, Olsen JH,

> Perrild H.

> >

> > Danish Cancer Society, Division of Cancer Epidemiology,

> Strandboulevarden.

> >

> > The risk of cancer was examined in a cohort of 57,326

> individuals who were discharged from a Danish hospital with a

> diagnosis of myxedema, thyrotoxicosis, or goiter. Although the

> general risk of cancer was only slightly increased, the risk of

> several sites was significantly above expected. The risk of thyroid

> cancer especially, was increased with standardized incidence

> ratios among women of 2.1 (myxedema), 2.5 (thyrotoxicosis),

> and 6.6 (nontoxic goiter). The increase in risk was present even

> many years after discharge, indicating that surveillance was not

> the only explanation. Furthermore, an increased risk was noted

> for cancer of the kidney in women discharged with myxedema

> (standardized incidence ratios [sIR] = 1.8) and thyrotoxicosis

> (SIR = 1.3), for cancer of the bladder in women discharged with

> myxedema (SIR = 1.5) and nontoxic goiter (SIR = 1.3), and for

> cancer of the hematopoetic system in women discharged with

> myxedema (SIR = 1.4) and nontoxic goiter (SIR = 1.4). The

> findings indicate that thyroid disorders may be related to cancer

> risk of several specific sites other than the thyroid.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

As I understand it people who are in the hypo phase, just before

hyper hits are more prone to infections. Also after the hyper part

one often becomes hypo again, either man-made hypo or naturally

occuring hypo and is more susceptable to infections. I am currently

euthyroid, which is a condition of hyper and hypo thriving together

with an ok hormone output. I have been hypo before and was sick

constantly. When hyper I am not very susceptible, as others here have

also experienced.

> > > Hello all,

> > > I found this study and although disturbing, might be a clue

to

> > go for surgery rather that RAI. What do you think?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > : Thyroid 1998 Sep;8(9):751-4

> > >

> > >

> > > Cancer risk in individuals with benign thyroid disorders.

> > >

> > > Mellemgaard A, From G, nsen T, Johansen C, Olsen JH,

> > Perrild H.

> > >

> > > Danish Cancer Society, Division of Cancer Epidemiology,

> > Strandboulevarden.

> > >

> > > The risk of cancer was examined in a cohort of 57,326

> > individuals who were discharged from a Danish hospital with a

> > diagnosis of myxedema, thyrotoxicosis, or goiter. Although the

> > general risk of cancer was only slightly increased, the risk of

> > several sites was significantly above expected. The risk of

thyroid

> > cancer especially, was increased with standardized incidence

> > ratios among women of 2.1 (myxedema), 2.5 (thyrotoxicosis),

> > and 6.6 (nontoxic goiter). The increase in risk was present even

> > many years after discharge, indicating that surveillance was not

> > the only explanation. Furthermore, an increased risk was noted

> > for cancer of the kidney in women discharged with myxedema

> > (standardized incidence ratios [sIR] = 1.8) and thyrotoxicosis

> > (SIR = 1.3), for cancer of the bladder in women discharged with

> > myxedema (SIR = 1.5) and nontoxic goiter (SIR = 1.3), and for

> > cancer of the hematopoetic system in women discharged with

> > myxedema (SIR = 1.4) and nontoxic goiter (SIR = 1.4). The

> > findings indicate that thyroid disorders may be related to cancer

> > risk of several specific sites other than the thyroid.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

First rule of medicine: DO NO HARM

> > > Hello all,

> > > I found this study and although disturbing, might be a clue

to

> > go for surgery rather that RAI. What do you think?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > : Thyroid 1998 Sep;8(9):751-4

> > >

> > >

> > > Cancer risk in individuals with benign thyroid disorders.

> > >

> > > Mellemgaard A, From G, nsen T, Johansen C, Olsen JH,

> > Perrild H.

> > >

> > > Danish Cancer Society, Division of Cancer Epidemiology,

> > Strandboulevarden.

> > >

> > > The risk of cancer was examined in a cohort of 57,326

> > individuals who were discharged from a Danish hospital with a

> > diagnosis of myxedema, thyrotoxicosis, or goiter. Although the

> > general risk of cancer was only slightly increased, the risk of

> > several sites was significantly above expected. The risk of

thyroid

> > cancer especially, was increased with standardized incidence

> > ratios among women of 2.1 (myxedema), 2.5 (thyrotoxicosis),

> > and 6.6 (nontoxic goiter). The increase in risk was present even

> > many years after discharge, indicating that surveillance was not

> > the only explanation. Furthermore, an increased risk was noted

> > for cancer of the kidney in women discharged with myxedema

> > (standardized incidence ratios [sIR] = 1.8) and thyrotoxicosis

> > (SIR = 1.3), for cancer of the bladder in women discharged with

> > myxedema (SIR = 1.5) and nontoxic goiter (SIR = 1.3), and for

> > cancer of the hematopoetic system in women discharged with

> > myxedema (SIR = 1.4) and nontoxic goiter (SIR = 1.4). The

> > findings indicate that thyroid disorders may be related to cancer

> > risk of several specific sites other than the thyroid.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

,

I have a question for Dr. G.; Ask him if he would like to lead the way to

banning RAI in this country, if not for all, at least for women of child

bearing years and children

Ask only if you want to...I doubt he would be very receptive to answering

that question, or would answer it in a negative way. It just fries my

behind that so many drs. don't see the harm they are doing!

Good luck at the docs.

Jody

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[Guest guest]

it's too late now, if only i knew before what i knew

now, i would rather stay hyper than hypo. According

to my dad, my grandmother had GD when she was 39 y0

and during her time, no one knew anything about this

disease. So she never got treatment for it but i do

remember that she was always active and looked very

young for her age, no visible gray hair and her face

had little wrinkles. The only problem she got was her

eyes, her left eye was drooping (proptosis) and that

was it...she said she got it because she had 9

children. She died a sudden death at the age of 72

(heart attack) and for me that's the good way to die

because she experienced no pain.

I too, did not get sick when i was hyper, now i am so

scared because these doctors wiped out all my thyroid

hormones through RAI, now, i will be more susceptible

to diseases/cancer.

rcb

--- anise_kennedy@... wrote:

> Well, no one ever told me there were GOOD things

> about this

> disease, but maybe its not all bad after all.--

>

> So does it work the other wayI mean, that the immune

> system is

> super-active and gives bugs as tough a deal as the

> thyroid?

> Or am I totallly wrong? Oh, thanks for the tip about

> accupuncture

> induction. Sounds interesting. Where does he put the

> needles/

> what meridians are involved?

>

>

>

> - In graves_support@y..., Terry ding

> <aldente@l...> wrote:

> > Actually, when hyper, we don't get sick much with

> that stuff!

> >

> > Terry

> >

> > > From: anise_kennedy@h...

> > > Reply-To: graves_support@y...

> > > Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:41:25 -0000

> > > To: graves_support@y...

> > > Subject: Re: surgery rather

> that RAI?

> > >

> > > I imagine that you would find that

> > > people with Graves take longer to get rid of

> colds and flu and

> are

> > > just a bit more prone to many other diseases

> too.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear RB,

Yes, we might be susceptable to cancer and heart disease, but on

the other hand many people have lived long lives with this thing. My

friend has an aunt over 100 who lost her thyroid decades ago. I fear

that living with thyrotoxicosis has many problems,too, among then

early death. I think it might be better to have the excess hormone

gone, in the long run. I have gone through the course of this disease

like your grandmother did. Now I'm euthyroid (and that doesn't mean

normal thyroid here, just levels in the normal range...actually it is

a combination of Hashimoto's and Graves' antibodies at work) but

there is definitely some residual damage from years of being hyper.

I read the group's complaints about treatment and wonder, " Am I

lucky that no one figured this out earlier? " They would have done an

ablation or surgery or drugs. I have survived without treatment and

it makes me wonder if they are legitimately offering medicine to

those who really need it or do they just bring out the big guns for

everyone that goes hyper, whether they need it or not? It might not

last so long. It probably won't kill you. Should we really be asked

to sacrifice the thyroid?? I have no answers, just questions.

I also wonder if those that recieved treatment are better off than

I am or not? Sometimes I think so...they seem rather normal,

psychologically, but there are some real touchy people that have been

treated. I think psychologically I am at least as together as the

treated people. And in the case of the people suffering from poor

adjustment to replacement hormones I know I am better off. I have

energy and although I have some big disappointments, I am not

depressed.

You may have a risk factor for cancer that you didn't have before,

but you can also take that as a heads up and make changes in diet and

lifestyle where needed to give you a better chance of avoiding it,

decreasing your over-all risk factors. I'm no expert but I personally

think anxiety is the real killer and if you can try to address that

problem your immune system will be better able to handle whatever

comes at it. I also think a state of relaxation is a healing state.

> it's too late now, if only i knew before what i knew

> now, i would rather stay hyper than hypo. According

> to my dad, my grandmother had GD when she was 39 y0

> and during her time, no one knew anything about this

> disease. So she never got treatment for it but i do

> remember that she was always active and looked very

> young for her age, no visible gray hair and her face

> had little wrinkles. The only problem she got was her

> eyes, her left eye was drooping (proptosis) and that

> was it...she said she got it because she had 9

> children. She died a sudden death at the age of 72

> (heart attack) and for me that's the good way to die

> because she experienced no pain.

>

> I too, did not get sick when i was hyper, now i am so

> scared because these doctors wiped out all my thyroid

> hormones through RAI, now, i will be more susceptible

> to diseases/cancer.

>

> rcb

>

>