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Why don't you open up the phone books or look in the newspaper under

volunteers. There are LOTS of things that you can do. Once starts

school I'm going to volunteer at the local residential home for autistic

kids.

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In a message dated 5/24/02 5:07:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

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> ......I have started to work as an ABA therapist for two families....and

> surprisingly find myself feeling the need to nurture the parents much more

> than the children

That's why alot of the behavior specialist here in PA do mobil therapy for

families.

There is a definate need for it

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Jacquie...

Your post struck a chord with me....I too am feeling the need to

nurture....my (12 yr old NT) daughter is almost as tall as I am....and my

(PDD almost 6 year old) son is doing so well....needing me less and less

(which I know is progress)....and even in that unfortunate stage of wiping

off kisses! :( I have wanted another child for quite some time despite

my husbands strong feelings against it... and am coming to the realization

that just will not be happening for me....though I still feel like there is

a hole that cannot be filled.

I too have thought long and hard about going back to college...there is

nothing nurturing about a Fiance degree......but I have taken a different

and more immediate route......I have started to work as an ABA therapist for

two families....and surprisingly find myself feeling the need to nurture the

parents much more than the children......it certainly brings up all those

old feelings of helplessness and uncertainty when your child is first

diagnosed. Luckily my son is doing very well and that is an encouragement

to these parents as well.....I always told myself that if I survived this

autism thing that I would try to help others get through it......though

there were so many times I didnt think that me or my family would

survive....we did....

I just felt the need to respond to your post.....and maybe you have

something.......I WANT A PUPPY!

Hope all goes well with you all......my extended family in this

battle.....Have a great weekend!

My future.

>

> What a big subject, isn't it?

>

> It's been on my mind ever since Wednesday, actually, ever since I saw that

pregnant belly walking down the sidewalk... It REALLY came to the front

though this morning, when I called a couple places with kittens and the

kittens had all gone to homes already. I LOST MY MIND. I couldn't figure

out why, and I sat writing and writing in my journal until it hit me...

" MARC! " I screamed, 'I NEED SOMETHING TO NURTURE! *NOW*!!!!!!!!! Kitten,

guinea pig, fish, I DON'T CARE!!!! "

>

> Well, duh.

>

> Again, we went through all the reasons that having another baby is not the

right choice for us, both of us crying just a bit. Then I started to think

about what I'm going to do with all this nurturing I have inside that needs

an outlet, and got thinking about careers. So I went to the library and

pulled out the catalogue for the college in the nearest city. Do you know

that I could train to be an EA in one year? Or I could go part-time for 10

years and get a degree in " Developmental Services " -- working with agencies

like community living, etc. But the one that really appeals to me, the one

that would take FOREVER, is nursing.

>

> REally, though, my talents would be best suited to cabinetmaking.

>

> <sigh>

>

> I guess I don't really have a point to this post at all, except thinking

in print some more. I just know that the future is looking like it has a

great big hole in it, and I don't know what on earth I need to fill it with.

>

> <bigger sigh>

>

> Jacquie

>

>

>

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Jacquie...

Your post struck a chord with me....I too am feeling the need to

nurture....my (12 yr old NT) daughter is almost as tall as I am....and my

(PDD almost 6 year old) son is doing so well....needing me less and less

(which I know is progress)....and even in that unfortunate stage of wiping

off kisses! :( I have wanted another child for quite some time despite

my husbands strong feelings against it... and am coming to the realization

that just will not be happening for me....though I still feel like there is

a hole that cannot be filled.

I too have thought long and hard about going back to college...there is

nothing nurturing about a Fiance degree......but I have taken a different

and more immediate route......I have started to work as an ABA therapist for

two families....and surprisingly find myself feeling the need to nurture the

parents much more than the children......it certainly brings up all those

old feelings of helplessness and uncertainty when your child is first

diagnosed. Luckily my son is doing very well and that is an encouragement

to these parents as well.....I always told myself that if I survived this

autism thing that I would try to help others get through it......though

there were so many times I didnt think that me or my family would

survive....we did....

I just felt the need to respond to your post.....and maybe you have

something.......I WANT A PUPPY!

Hope all goes well with you all......my extended family in this

battle.....Have a great weekend!

My future.

>

> What a big subject, isn't it?

>

> It's been on my mind ever since Wednesday, actually, ever since I saw that

pregnant belly walking down the sidewalk... It REALLY came to the front

though this morning, when I called a couple places with kittens and the

kittens had all gone to homes already. I LOST MY MIND. I couldn't figure

out why, and I sat writing and writing in my journal until it hit me...

" MARC! " I screamed, 'I NEED SOMETHING TO NURTURE! *NOW*!!!!!!!!! Kitten,

guinea pig, fish, I DON'T CARE!!!! "

>

> Well, duh.

>

> Again, we went through all the reasons that having another baby is not the

right choice for us, both of us crying just a bit. Then I started to think

about what I'm going to do with all this nurturing I have inside that needs

an outlet, and got thinking about careers. So I went to the library and

pulled out the catalogue for the college in the nearest city. Do you know

that I could train to be an EA in one year? Or I could go part-time for 10

years and get a degree in " Developmental Services " -- working with agencies

like community living, etc. But the one that really appeals to me, the one

that would take FOREVER, is nursing.

>

> REally, though, my talents would be best suited to cabinetmaking.

>

> <sigh>

>

> I guess I don't really have a point to this post at all, except thinking

in print some more. I just know that the future is looking like it has a

great big hole in it, and I don't know what on earth I need to fill it with.

>

> <bigger sigh>

>

> Jacquie

>

>

>

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> Why don't you open up the phone books or look in the newspaper under

> volunteers. There are LOTS of things that you can do.

I already volunteer at the library and at the food bank. But will be

going to school full time starting September, and those two things just

aren't enough. Basically, I have to start looking at what my plans are for

the rest of my life, since full-time mothering ends, for all intents and

purposes, this fall. I always thought that I'd be the kind of mother who'd

be happy to stay home while the kid's in school, but I don't think I will

be. I mean, I'd LIKE to stay home, but I'm not a very good housekeeper and

I'm a rotten cook, so the path of my mother would be pretty rocky for me.

I'd feel like I was no longer earning my keep. But whatever I do, it will

have to allow me to take to school and be there for him right after,

though.

I just feel like I should find something that will allow me to contribute

financially to this household once the time to do it presents itself.

Jacquie

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> Why don't you open up the phone books or look in the newspaper under

> volunteers. There are LOTS of things that you can do.

I already volunteer at the library and at the food bank. But will be

going to school full time starting September, and those two things just

aren't enough. Basically, I have to start looking at what my plans are for

the rest of my life, since full-time mothering ends, for all intents and

purposes, this fall. I always thought that I'd be the kind of mother who'd

be happy to stay home while the kid's in school, but I don't think I will

be. I mean, I'd LIKE to stay home, but I'm not a very good housekeeper and

I'm a rotten cook, so the path of my mother would be pretty rocky for me.

I'd feel like I was no longer earning my keep. But whatever I do, it will

have to allow me to take to school and be there for him right after,

though.

I just feel like I should find something that will allow me to contribute

financially to this household once the time to do it presents itself.

Jacquie

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>I always told myself that if I survived this

> autism thing that I would try to help others get through it......though

> there were so many times I didnt think that me or my family would

> survive....we did....

You know, , I never thought I could work with 'disabled' children (this

was pre-, of course), but now that Educational Assistant certificate

looks so attractive. Imagine how great it would be for a family to have an

EA working with their kid who actually GETS it! Oh -- you don't have to

imagine, you're doing the pretty much the same thing! :-D

>

> I just felt the need to respond to your post.....and maybe you have

> something.......I WANT A PUPPY!

>

Well, so far this kitten thing is working out pretty well!

Jacquie

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>>since full-time mothering ends, for all intents and

purposes, this fall.

Well I just don't see how THAT's true.

But if you mean you will have 6 or 8 or however many hours a day sans kid --

yeah.

>>be happy to stay home while the kid's in school, but I don't think I will

be. I mean, I'd LIKE to stay home, but I'm not a very good housekeeper and

I'm a rotten cook, so the path of my mother would be pretty rocky for me.<<

So do something else. Do something for YOU. If you could do anything you

wanted, what would it be?

>>I just feel like I should find something that will allow me to contribute

financially to this household once the time to do it presents itself.

Aaahhh, financially. Well that's the trick, isn't it? Could you try a

part-time job somewhere and see what happens? Or maybe start your own

business -- hey, I know, you could be a petsitter or run a doggy day-care.

Then you get your nurturing AND some cash...:)

-Sara.

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> I would LOVE to have a home business. I just don't know what on

earth I

> could do!

>

> Jacquie

Jacquie,

With your talent for painting, why not go ahead and do up a bunch of

small pieces and start showing them at local craft fairs? You could

even do a website to sell them from eventually, or offer them on

consignment for sale at other local crafty-type businesses. Ebay is

really slow right now . . . but always another option.

You have the talent most of us would die for.

-BJ

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> I don't mean to poke a sore spot, but have you thought about adoption?

>

> -Sara.

I have.

All adoptions in Ontario cost more money than we have. To privately adopt a

newborn or toddler is nearly impossible and costs upwards of $15,000. To

adopt a special-needs or abused (also considered special-needs) kid through

children's aid (which is the route we'd probably take) costs a minimum of

$2,000 for a home study and can take years to come through. It's not the

time that bothers me, I'd be willing to wait...it's the thousands of dollars

needed to even get on the waiting list. It would be far less expensive to

put my physical and mental health at risk and go through another pregnancy,

which I just can't do.

<sigh>

Jacquie

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> >>since full-time mothering ends, for all intents and

> purposes, this fall.

>

> Well I just don't see how THAT's true.

>

> But if you mean you will have 6 or 8 or however many hours a day sans

kid --

> yeah.

>

Yup. That's exactly what I mean.

> So do something else. Do something for YOU. If you could do anything you

> wanted, what would it be?

Paint. Read.

> Aaahhh, financially. Well that's the trick, isn't it? Could you try a

> part-time job somewhere and see what happens?

I've been looking into part-time, but all I can find around here thus far

are part-time positions that specify weekends and evenings. With Marc

working rotating shifts, that just can't be done. :-( It's really

important to me that someone always be here for .

Or maybe start your own

> business -- hey, I know, you could be a petsitter or run a doggy day-care.

> Then you get your nurturing AND some cash...:)

Oh yeah...except that with two cats and a huge dog, I just don't think I

could bring any more animals in! Besides, our backyard wouldn't convince

ANYONE to leave their dog with us. It's about 15 by 15 feet. :-(

I would LOVE to have a home business. I just don't know what on earth I

could do!

Jacquie

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Jacquie,

Around here they have Pet Sitters, who simply go to the pets home a certain

# of times a day and let the pet out, play with it, walk it, etc.. Some

people use them for vacations instead of boarding the animal, and some just

have someone pop in once a day while they are at work. Possibility for you?

Sue

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> You have the talent most of us would die for.

>

> -BJ

As much as that absolutely flatters me to death, my skill level is quite

rudimentary compared to some out there. Compared to most who sell, at

least. :-(

Jacquie

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>>I would LOVE to have a home business. I just don't know what on earth I

could do!

Paint, and sell your pictures on Ebay? :)

My MIL makes jewelry and sells it at craft shows and online. I can ask her

for some web sites to get you started.

I don't think it would be bad for you to take a year for yourself and just

do whatever you want to do. Talk with dh about it & see what he thinks? Is

he pushing you to get out and earn some money? Or are you pushing yourself?

-Sara.

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>>As much as that absolutely flatters me to death, my skill level is quite

rudimentary compared to some out there. Compared to most who sell, at

least. :-(

So what? You would be painting because you love to paint. Selling your

paintings would be incidentalRead some books, take some classes, practice,

and you'll get even better than you already are. Just imagine...6 whole

hours of silence...all for YOU to PAINT! As much or as little as you want!

I am not trying to push you in any way...just throwing out suggestions. :)

-Sara.

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I live right near New Hope PA which has a HUGE artist community. You would

not believe some of the stuff they sell. It's all a matter of taste. I'd

love to see some of your work if you have any pics. Let us be the judges :)

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That's not skill level, it's style. It's called primative, and some

people love it and will pay highly for primative style painted

items. You will get more customers, however if you make a point of

advertising it as primative.

This message is passed through by her mother, who sells her

water-color, pastel, acrylic, and oil paintings in many craft fairs

local to her area.)

B

P.S. I hope you don't mind my asking my mom about this.

>

> > You have the talent most of us would die for.

> >

> > -BJ

>

>

> As much as that absolutely flatters me to death, my skill level is

quite

> rudimentary compared to some out there. Compared to most who sell,

at

> least. :-(

>

> Jacquie

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> B

>

> P.S. I hope you don't mind my asking my mom about this.

Not at all, but she couldn't have seen anything I painted, could she? I ask

because I absolutely AVOID anything in the style commonly known as primitive

because I don't like it! LOL.

I can't remember the actual classification of the stuff I do, but I think of

it as 'cutesy'.

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No, I didn't have any pics to show her (although I'm sure we'd all love to see

some in the files <hint, hint>). I just gave her kind of a run down of some of

the descriptions you've used to describe your work. However, primative or not,

every artist has their own style, and I would be suprised if there weren't many

people who thought your work was perfect.

B

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Not at all, but she couldn't have seen anything I painted, could she? I ask

because I absolutely AVOID anything in the style commonly known as primitive

because I don't like it! LOL.

I can't remember the actual classification of the stuff I do, but I think of

it as 'cutesy'.

Jacquie

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oh...and don't forget, anytime in between....

>>>>

But whatever I do, it will

have to allow me to take to school and be there for him right after,

though.

<<<<

Penny - who's been facing this conundrum for a looooooooong time.

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> oh...and don't forget, anytime in between....

>

Yeah, Penny, you really made me think with this one, as I recounted to

myself all the times you've been called to school.

<sigh>

Jacquie

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>'I NEED SOMETHING TO NURTURE! *NOW*!!!!!!!!! Kitten, guinea pig, fish, I

>DON'T CARE!!!! "

Is it any wonder I am constantly taking in other people's children? I mean,

really! I too would love to have something to nurture, a baby, a kitten or

a puppy, but now is not the time for us. :(

>and got thinking about careers.

If nursing is what you truly want to do---than do it. So what if it takes

forever. You know what I want to do, and it is going to take quite a while,

but I'm going to do it. I feel so driven, and can't imagine my future

without this idea, just can't.

>I guess I don't really have a point to this post at all, except thinking in

>print some more. I just know that the future is looking like it has a

>great big hole in it, and I don't know what on earth I need to fill it

>with.

Yes, I see the hole too, but I have to tell you--both kids were in school

full-time this year, and I really, really enjoyed staying home. If you can

manage it financially, than do it for a little while. I definitely don't

want to do this forever, and don't think I'll need to, but for now, it is

very nice. :)

Amy H--in Michigan

Kepler 4 1/2 ASD and Bethany 6 NT

" although one has a responsiblity to stick things out to the limit of one's

endurance, one also has to have the courage to retreat and lick one's

wounds, so as to return to the fray refreshed. "

~Kenzaburo Oe

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((Jacquie))! I know how you feel, maybe you just want

somethingmore then Autism......there has got to be

soemthing more then it. Even with Abby I am waitng one

more year and then I am going to go back to school to

" nurture myself " . Maybe you are craving some time or

care for 'yourself' cause like everyone else with

these little guys we are the last to get taken care

of!

--- The Hunny Family wrote:

>

> What a big subject, isn't it?

>

> It's been on my mind ever since Wednesday, actually,

> ever since I saw that pregnant belly walking down

> the sidewalk... It REALLY came to the front though

> this morning, when I called a couple places with

> kittens and the kittens had all gone to homes

> already. I LOST MY MIND. I couldn't figure out

> why, and I sat writing and writing in my journal

> until it hit me... " MARC! " I screamed, 'I NEED

> SOMETHING TO NURTURE! *NOW*!!!!!!!!! Kitten,

> guinea pig, fish, I DON'T CARE!!!! "

>

> Well, duh.

>

> Again, we went through all the reasons that having

> another baby is not the right choice for us, both of

> us crying just a bit. Then I started to think about

> what I'm going to do with all this nurturing I have

> inside that needs an outlet, and got thinking about

> careers. So I went to the library and pulled out

> the catalogue for the college in the nearest city.

> Do you know that I could train to be an EA in one

> year? Or I could go part-time for 10 years and get

> a degree in " Developmental Services " -- working with

> agencies like community living, etc. But the one

> that really appeals to me, the one that would take

> FOREVER, is nursing.

>

> REally, though, my talents would be best suited to

> cabinetmaking.

>

> <sigh>

>

> I guess I don't really have a point to this post at

> all, except thinking in print some more. I just

> know that the future is looking like it has a great

> big hole in it, and I don't know what on earth I

> need to fill it with.

>

> <bigger sigh>

>

> Jacquie

>

>

=====

TTFN

Wife to

Mom to Ben (aka Gozilla) 5yrs HFA/AS

On call milk machine to Abby(aka ....stinkerbell) 21MTHS NT

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