Re: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues

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You deal with one thing at a time.That's all you can do.There are a lot of highly absorbable enzymes in pill/wafer/gelcap form. Subject: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issuesTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 3:27 PM

None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy).

At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.

And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?

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My son was the same way added to that though he basically would choke on

everything even bananas. Dr. Rimland recommended megavitamins (this happened 18

years ago so sadly I don't remember the brand maybe his website might have

info?)within weeks he began eating everything!!!! He went from being chronically

underweight to us having to watch his weight. My son did not recover but this

one improvement was awesome. I'm sure someone here can recommend the best brand

that's worked for them nowadays.

>

> None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues.  If it was

as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it.  My son won't

even touch most foods.  Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold

it up to him.  For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals,

crackers, pretzels.  Basically crap.  It doesn't matter if it is made from

wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds.  It just has to be crispy.  He has a few

exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices.  We have been

GFCF for 3 months with no results.  That will open up some options for him as he

will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron

(makes it thin and less squishy).  At least it gets something solid in him and

he won't be hungry all the time.

>

> And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat.  He will starve himself, he

will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

>

> I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him.  It is no secret that they

taste terrible.  I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that

makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

>

> I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it.  Am I the only one

whose kid has a feeding disorder?

>

>

>

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, you are certainly not alone. Most the kids that have limited diets

need more zinc, I have known people whose DAN! doctors have agreed with this.

They are unable to smell and taste the foods, which makes them undesireable.

You can put zinc in water by getting it in the liquid ionic form. Here is one

that I have used www.kornax.com, it is the brand Angstrom.

The GFCFSF diet most definitely eliminates sensory issues IF the inflammation

that is causing them is due to food intolerance (which, in my opinion it usually

is) but yes, until the problem foods are eliminated, it will be hard to get them

to eat the other foods that they tolerate. I suggest the Kid-Friendly GFCF

Cookbook.

Have you eliminated soy yet? What about artificial colors/flavors and MSG? All

these can cause inflammation. My son cannot have any store-bought sauces

(ketchup, honey-mustard, bbq...regardless if it is GFCF) and still cannot

tolerate sugar. I don't give him anything that has natural flavors - which many

of the GFCF foods do- or he has a reaction. Does he eat french fries? Can you

make them homemade for him? I have a lot of ideas and you can call me if you

need help.

Liz

>

> None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues.  If it was

as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it.  My son won't

even touch most foods.  Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold

it up to him.  For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals,

crackers, pretzels.  Basically crap.  It doesn't matter if it is made from

wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds.  It just has to be crispy.  He has a few

exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices.  We have been

GFCF for 3 months with no results.  That will open up some options for him as he

will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron

(makes it thin and less squishy).  At least it gets something solid in him and

he won't be hungry all the time.

>

> And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat.  He will starve himself, he

will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

>

> I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him.  It is no secret that they

taste terrible.  I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that

makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

>

> I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it.  Am I the only one

whose kid has a feeding disorder?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

sounds like yeast issuss low zinc or opiates.... for us it would be opiates first, then yeast (if they are sweet and carb based things only) it would need to be soy free in our house to, to be opiate free

Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues

None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.

And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?

[Guest guest]

sounds like yeast issuss low zinc or opiates.... for us it would be opiates first, then yeast (if they are sweet and carb based things only) it would need to be soy free in our house to, to be opiate free

Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues

None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.

And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?

[Guest guest]

I'm with you ALL THE WAY! My son who is 6 had never had veggies or fruit on his own free will. If I don't juice them and put them in a syringe and force them down his throat he won't eat them! He only eats chicken, beef, chips and cereal. It's a constant horrible feeling in my stomach that he won't eat other foods. I feel like a failure, but I don't know what to do! GAPS, SCD GFCF, Not only did they provide no results...He PRACTICALLY STARVED! He went 4 days without eating once. So I know it 's a sensory thing. Almond flour pancakes, fruit smoothies, coconut kefir all sound great, but when your kid won't touch them then what. Diets are something you EAT ....my son won't eat any of that food so it's not a diet, it's more like a starvation period.

I'm at my wits end with wether or not to do a diet!

Rose

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 4:27:18 PMSubject: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues

None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.

And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?

[Guest guest]

I'm with you ALL THE WAY! My son who is 6 had never had veggies or fruit on his own free will. If I don't juice them and put them in a syringe and force them down his throat he won't eat them! He only eats chicken, beef, chips and cereal. It's a constant horrible feeling in my stomach that he won't eat other foods. I feel like a failure, but I don't know what to do! GAPS, SCD GFCF, Not only did they provide no results...He PRACTICALLY STARVED! He went 4 days without eating once. So I know it 's a sensory thing. Almond flour pancakes, fruit smoothies, coconut kefir all sound great, but when your kid won't touch them then what. Diets are something you EAT ....my son won't eat any of that food so it's not a diet, it's more like a starvation period.

I'm at my wits end with wether or not to do a diet!

Rose

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 4:27:18 PMSubject: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues

None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.

And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?

[Guest guest]

I am terribly zinc deficient.It's not always diet,it's malabsorption too. Subject: Re: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issuesTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 5:51 PM

, you are certainly not alone. Most the kids that have limited diets need more zinc, I have known people whose DAN! doctors have agreed with this. They are unable to smell and taste the foods, which makes them undesireable. You can put zinc in water by getting it in the liquid ionic form. Here is one that I have used www.kornax.com, it is the brand Angstrom.

The GFCFSF diet most definitely eliminates sensory issues IF the inflammation that is causing them is due to food intolerance (which, in my opinion it usually is) but yes, until the problem foods are eliminated, it will be hard to get them to eat the other foods that they tolerate. I suggest the Kid-Friendly GFCF Cookbook.

Have you eliminated soy yet? What about artificial colors/flavors and MSG? All these can cause inflammation. My son cannot have any store-bought sauces (ketchup, honey-mustard, bbq...regardless if it is GFCF) and still cannot tolerate sugar. I don't give him anything that has natural flavors - which many of the GFCF foods do- or he has a reaction. Does he eat french fries? Can you make them homemade for him? I have a lot of ideas and you can call me if you need help.

Liz

>

> None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.

>

> And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

>

> I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

>

> I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?

>

>

>

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I am terribly zinc deficient.It's not always diet,it's malabsorption too. Subject: Re: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issuesTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 5:51 PM

, you are certainly not alone. Most the kids that have limited diets need more zinc, I have known people whose DAN! doctors have agreed with this. They are unable to smell and taste the foods, which makes them undesireable. You can put zinc in water by getting it in the liquid ionic form. Here is one that I have used www.kornax.com, it is the brand Angstrom.

The GFCFSF diet most definitely eliminates sensory issues IF the inflammation that is causing them is due to food intolerance (which, in my opinion it usually is) but yes, until the problem foods are eliminated, it will be hard to get them to eat the other foods that they tolerate. I suggest the Kid-Friendly GFCF Cookbook.

Have you eliminated soy yet? What about artificial colors/flavors and MSG? All these can cause inflammation. My son cannot have any store-bought sauces (ketchup, honey-mustard, bbq...regardless if it is GFCF) and still cannot tolerate sugar. I don't give him anything that has natural flavors - which many of the GFCF foods do- or he has a reaction. Does he eat french fries? Can you make them homemade for him? I have a lot of ideas and you can call me if you need help.

Liz

>

> None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.

>

> And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

>

> I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

>

> I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

roger- are you on any diets?

any you recommend?

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 8:50:30 PMSubject: Re: Re: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues

I am terribly zinc deficient.It' s not always diet,it's malabsorption too.

From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@ yahoo.com>Subject: Re: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issuesTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Friday, October 30, 2009, 5:51 PM

, you are certainly not alone. Most the kids that have limited diets need more zinc, I have known people whose DAN! doctors have agreed with this. They are unable to smell and taste the foods, which makes them undesireable. You can put zinc in water by getting it in the liquid ionic form. Here is one that I have used www.kornax.com, it is the brand Angstrom. The GFCFSF diet most definitely eliminates sensory issues IF the inflammation that is causing them is due to food intolerance (which, in my opinion it usually is) but yes, until the problem foods are eliminated, it will be hard to get them to eat the other foods that they tolerate. I suggest the Kid-Friendly GFCF Cookbook. Have you eliminated soy yet? What about artificial colors/flavors and MSG? All these can cause inflammation. My son cannot have any store-bought sauces (ketchup, honey-mustard, bbq...regardless if it is

GFCF) and still cannot tolerate sugar. I don't give him anything that has natural flavors - which many of the GFCF foods do- or he has a reaction. Does he eat french fries? Can you make them homemade for him? I have a lot of ideas and you can call me if you need help. Liz >> None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple

slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.> > And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.> > I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.> > I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?> >

>

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Hi I make a crispy pizza using teff wraps with ground beef and rice cheese very little sauce cut it up and it looks like chips. One more thing. Use a mandolin slicer and fry veggies until crisp or bake them?Natures path does a great cheerio style cereal. Potatoes baked haf scooped with meat hmmmm.Good luck! Deb

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 5:27:18 PMSubject: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues

None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.

And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?

[Guest guest]

My son is similar in the need for crunchy foods. He is apraxic and is undersensitive

in his mouth, if you know what I mean. I feel what your saying..its a very tricky thing

and sensory issues, so hard to work through. I would go with your Mommy instinct

if you feel he isnt eating enough, or trying to push him to eat foods he isnt ready for sensory wise, could backfire..maybe go real slow. Get him eating again and add one

GF food you think you can eventually replace..keep adding at his pace until you feel

he has an ok basic diet to work off of. Most people do cut the Gluten and casein

all at once but there are kids that just wont eat anything if its done that way.

Do you know of a nearby reahabilitation hospital for kids? Often they have feeding

specialists that can help. I thought it would be too clinical for my son, but its very

OT like, and actually sort of fun. He goes once a week right after OT and speech.

I really hope you can figure it out.

40 and Mom to threeTash 23 ooops..new Mommy ( I'm a Grammy to Kyri 2 )Casey-Mae 14..sweet as pieElijah 3.5 .. ASD and beautiful

Subject: Re: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issuesTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 4:46 AM

Hi I make a crispy pizza using teff wraps with ground beef and rice cheese very little sauce cut it up and it looks like chips. One more thing. Use a mandolin slicer and fry veggies until crisp or bake them?Natures path does a great cheerio style cereal. Potatoes baked haf scooped with meat hmmmm.Good luck! Deb

From: Arrowood <emarrowoodyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, October 30, 2009 5:27:18 PMSubject: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues

None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.

And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?

[Guest guest]

I have never been on any diets.I only recently learned there is a whole world beyond GFCF.Just as there is not one cause for autism,there is no one diet that would work for everybody.I have only learned about the GAPS diet today,and it looks like it's perfect. Except I have not seen any instructions about how to start it ,with adults or older children.I would be looking at a modified version of it,because I can do the gluten,but I can't do the cheese,coconut oil, or beans with my GI problems.I can't see how they allow gin,vodka,and wine.

From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@ yahoo.com>Subject: Re: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issuesTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Friday, October 30, 2009, 5:51 PM

, you are certainly not alone. Most the kids that have limited diets need more zinc, I have known people whose DAN! doctors have agreed with this. They are unable to smell and taste the foods, which makes them undesireable. You can put zinc in water by getting it in the liquid ionic form. Here is one that I have used www.kornax.com, it is the brand Angstrom. The GFCFSF diet most definitely eliminates sensory issues IF the inflammation that is causing them is due to food intolerance (which, in my opinion it usually is) but yes, until the problem foods are eliminated, it will be hard to get them to eat the other foods that they tolerate. I suggest the Kid-Friendly GFCF Cookbook. Have you eliminated soy yet? What about artificial colors/flavors and MSG? All these can cause inflammation. My son cannot have any store-bought sauces (ketchup, honey-mustard,

bbq...regardless if it is

GFCF) and still cannot tolerate sugar. I don't give him anything that has natural flavors - which many of the GFCF foods do- or he has a reaction. Does he eat french fries? Can you make them homemade for him? I have a lot of ideas and you can call me if you need help. Liz >> None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple

slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.> > And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.> > I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.> > I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rose, your son needs zinc too! You can get the liquid and put it in his water.

I help a lot of moms as a Rescue Angel for Generation Rescue and this is a very

common problem (even with moms I meet whose kids are not on the spectrum!). Did

you watch those Corganic videos that posted? I certainly learned from

them. The ladies said that it can get much worse before it gets better because

the kids will be releasing toxins. My son did horrible on GFCF for 8 months and

I was giving up every so often. Finally it started working when I removed more

foods. It sucks, but if you watch the videos you will understand that the

avoidance is part of the whole healing process.

>

> I'm with you ALL THE WAY!  My son who is 6 had never had veggies or fruit on

his own free will. If I don't juice them and put them in a syringe and force

them down his throat he won't eat them! He only eats chicken, beef, chips and

cereal. It's a constant horrible feeling in my stomach that he won't eat other

foods. I feel like a failure, but I don't know what to do! GAPS, SCD GFCF, Not

only did they provide no results...He PRACTICALLY STARVED!  He went 4 days

without eating once. So I know it 's a sensory thing. Almond flour pancakes,

fruit smoothies, coconut kefir all sound great, but when your kid won't touch

them then what. Diets are something you EAT ....my son won't eat any of that

food so it's not a diet, it's more like a starvation period.

>

> I'm at my wits end with wether or not to do a diet!

>

> Rose

>

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>

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> To: mb12 valtrex

> Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 4:27:18 PM

> Subject: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory

issues

>

>  

> None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues.  If it was

as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it.  My son won't

even touch most foods.  Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold

it up to him.  For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals,

crackers, pretzels.  Basically crap.  It doesn't matter if it is made from

wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds.  It just has to be crispy.  He has a few

exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices.  We have been

GFCF for 3 months with no results.  That will open up some options for him as he

will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron

(makes it thin and less squishy).  At least it gets something solid in him and

he won't be hungry all the time.

>

> And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat.  He will starve himself, he

will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

>

> I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him.  It is no secret that they

taste terrible.  I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that

makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

>

> I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it.  Am I the only one

whose kid has a feeding disorder?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My son had gluten in regular oatmeal this morning, I forgot it wasn't the GF

kind and at first his face turned red and he felt like he had a fever. Then his

cuticles were very red and tonight he was complaining that his arm hurt and he

was biting it. He also had a staring episode at dinner that I hadn't seen in a

long time. To me, these things confirm the need for his special diet.

> >>

> >> None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues.  If it

was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it.  My son

won't even touch most foods.  Crys and turns his head all the way around if you

hold it up to him.  For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods -

cereals, crackers, pretzels.  Basically crap.  It doesn't matter if it is made

from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds.  It just has to be crispy.  He has a

few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices.  We have

been GFCF for 3 months with no results.  That will open up some options for him

as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle

iron (makes it thin and less squishy).  At least it gets something solid in him

and he won't be hungry all the time.

> >>

> >> And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat.  He will starve himself, he

will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

> >>

> >> I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him.  It is no secret that

they taste terrible.  I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but

that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

> >>

> >> I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it.  Am I the only

one whose kid has a feeding disorder?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wouldn't you want to keep him eating the foods he is eating knowing they are GFCF and doing good to heal his body....even if you have to force the syringe down his throat? We have been GFCF for three years and my son still only likes hotdogs (switched to turkey), chips, and the occassional GFCF waffle, hamburger, and chicken....his protein level is always off the charts.

But...I know his gut is healing or healed as we have had infractions after three years and saw nothing (we used to see the red ears, cheeks, loose bowels, stimming, etc.) And if you feel bad 'forcing' a syringe of vegies and fruits down him, then may I suggest trying Juice PLUS. This solved that problem for us and now he readily eats his fruits and vegies. (It is a supplement with over 17 GFCF, Organic certified fruits/vegies). No, it is not intended to replace F/V in the diet but what are we supposed to do when that is what we are facing with our kids....eventually they will eat them on their own....after 9 months on this product, my son started eating carrots, and now green beans, all fruits, peas....so we are going in the right direction. He is in recovery with some sensory issues still-sure he prefers hot dogs and chips but we are moving in the right direction and I feel good knowing I did not give in.

HTH,

Kersten

www.antioxidativestresswithjuiceplus.com

Share in the joy of our journey at...www.thefarrellfoundation.org

[Guest guest]

I was very intrigued and started looking into the GAPS as I have not heard about it before. Is the modified your version or is there a modified version? I am considering on trying it for my son with major GI issues (and also celiac and Chron's). How will you substitute the pasta, potatoe, rice ang gunioa in preparing your meals. I am thinking of beefing up the winter squashes and lentils. I am nervous about the cheeses though and cottage cheese so I think I will leave them out as well.

Bernice

Re: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issuesTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Friday, October 30, 2009, 5:51 PM

, you are certainly not alone. Most the kids that have limited diets need more zinc, I have known people whose DAN! doctors have agreed with this. They are unable to smell and taste the foods, which makes them undesireable. You can put zinc in water by getting it in the liquid ionic form. Here is one that I have used www.kornax.com, it is the brand Angstrom. The GFCFSF diet most definitely eliminates sensory issues IF the inflammation that is causing them is due to food intolerance (which, in my opinion it usually is) but yes, until the problem foods are eliminated, it will be hard to get them to eat the other foods that they tolerate. I suggest the Kid-Friendly GFCF Cookbook. Have you eliminated soy yet? What about artificial colors/flavors and MSG? All these can cause inflammation. My son cannot have any store-bought sauces (ketchup, honey-mustard, bbq...regardless if it is GFCF) and still cannot tolerate sugar. I don't give him anything that has natural flavors - which many of the GFCF foods do- or he has a reaction. Does he eat french fries? Can you make them homemade for him? I have a lot of ideas and you can call me if you need help. Liz >> None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.> > And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.> > I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.> > I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?> > >

[Guest guest]

We had been putting our son's capsule enzymes in juice, too, and he also wasn't

too thrilled with the consistency it made the juice. So I ordered Houston's

TriEnza which comes in chewable form (I got it from www.ourkidsASD.com). I just

give him a few before each meal, and he now takes that SOOO much more easily

since it looks/tastes like candy. Might be worth a try to see if your son likes

the chewable enzymes better than mixing them in liquids. Good luck!

> Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory

issues

>

>

>

> None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was

as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't

even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold

it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals,

crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from

wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few

exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been

GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he

will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron

(makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and

he won't be hungry all the time.

>

> And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he

will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

>

> I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that

they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but

that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

>

> I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one

whose kid has a feeding disorder?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My son had the same issue when he was around 15 months to 2 1/2 and we went to a Dr. that ran some blood test on him and found my son grossly deficient in folic and glutamine. When we started to give him adequate dosages of these, it was then the first time that his palate opened. We are happy to say that this child will eat anything and everything. We also incorporated prompt speech therapy at that time which helped a great deal as we never realized because of the lack of food texture intake that he did not develop how to chew properly. We still have a gut issue so we are strict SCD corn, sugar and soy free. I am intrigued with the GAPS diet and I am looking into this now. We have recently had test done and inflamation markers have come down for the very first time and I have to say my sons just looks and acts happier.

Bernice

Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues> > > > None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.> > And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.> > I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.> > I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?> > >

[Guest guest]

my son had sensory issues BEFORE diet, ONLY eating gram crackers, animal crackers and drinking a gallon of milk a day. w3hen we took opitate out he lost ALL his sensory issues, before he couldn't even TOUCH wet things, no veggies, no meats, no fruits....with out gagging, it took 3 days for him to cave. on day 4 he ate, wet meat, veggies, fruit, ect. and eat fantastic now!

Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues> > > > None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.> > And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.> > I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.> > I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?> > >

[Guest guest]

Maybe I will try the wafer kind. If he can crush it he will eat. He's only 3 and getting pills down him just doesn't happen.

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 4:48:57 PMSubject: Re: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues

You deal with one thing at a time.That's all you can do.

There are a lot of highly absorbable enzymes in pill/wafer/gelcap form.

From: Arrowood <emarrowoodyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issuesTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Friday, October 30, 2009, 3:27 PM

None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.

And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?

[Guest guest]

At 3yrs he is actually right at 50-60th percentile for weight and height. Not big, not small. This is after we got him off soymilk which was causing him to have failure to thrive between the ages of 1-2yrs. We got him off that and built him back up with pediasure and then our own smoothies both with our added probiotics. He had GI testing last December and did not show problems with absorption or deficiencies. I'm wondering if his gut healed that fast just getting him off the soymilk.

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 6:12:43 PMSubject: Re: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues

My son was the same way added to that though he basically would choke on everything even bananas. Dr. Rimland recommended megavitamins (this happened 18 years ago so sadly I don't remember the brand maybe his website might have info?)within weeks he began eating everything!! !! He went from being chronically underweight to us having to watch his weight. My son did not recover but this one improvement was awesome. I'm sure someone here can recommend the best brand that's worked for them nowadays. >> None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all

the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.> > And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.> > I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the

Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.> > I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?> > >

[Guest guest]

I find it impossible to eliminate soy. They seem to put it in almost everything, and since the only things he eats are crispy there is some form of soy in it. I am going to start making my own bread and crackers. Having a harder time finding recipes for not soft pretzels. Not sure if there are soy free cereals out there. My next step is to eliminate as much soy as possible since I know that is an actual problem for him. He used to eat crispy french fries but seems to be bored with them now.

I can try more Zinc, it won't hurt, havent' had much results from supplements either.

Thanks for your time

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 6:51:59 PMSubject: Re: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues

, you are certainly not alone. Most the kids that have limited diets need more zinc, I have known people whose DAN! doctors have agreed with this. They are unable to smell and taste the foods, which makes them undesireable. You can put zinc in water by getting it in the liquid ionic form. Here is one that I have used www.kornax.com, it is the brand Angstrom. The GFCFSF diet most definitely eliminates sensory issues IF the inflammation that is causing them is due to food intolerance (which, in my opinion it usually is) but yes, until the problem foods are eliminated, it will be hard to get them to eat the other foods that they tolerate. I suggest the Kid-Friendly GFCF Cookbook. Have you eliminated soy yet? What about artificial colors/flavors and MSG? All these can cause inflammation. My son cannot have any store-bought sauces (ketchup, honey-mustard, bbq...regardless if it is

GFCF) and still cannot tolerate sugar. I don't give him anything that has natural flavors - which many of the GFCF foods do- or he has a reaction. Does he eat french fries? Can you make them homemade for him? I have a lot of ideas and you can call me if you need help. Liz >> None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice,

corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.> > And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.> > I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.> > I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding

disorder?> > >

[Guest guest]

I have tried store bought veggie chips without much sucess. Maybe if I bake some at home and make them extra spicy (red hot blues are his favorite chip) he will go for it.

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 11:46:04 PMSubject: Re: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues

Hi I make a crispy pizza using teff wraps with ground beef and rice cheese very little sauce cut it up and it looks like chips. One more thing. Use a mandolin slicer and fry veggies until crisp or bake them?Natures path does a great cheerio style cereal. Potatoes baked haf scooped with meat hmmmm.Good luck! Deb

From: Arrowood <emarrowoodyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, October 30, 2009 5:27:18 PMSubject: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues

None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.

And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?

[Guest guest]

We've been to the feeding clinic in Madison, they arent' much help. They don't actually work with the kid. Just suggest stuff to try at home. The one in Milwaukee is suppose to be much better, so if we move back that way we will give it a try. They actually have to kid come in and work with them. The OT in the school district is great and has this as a focus, but only see's him an hour a week.

He will eat the GFCF stuff, it is all just crap too. Chips, crackers, cereal. My point is the diets are pointless if you kid will only eat one texture of food. And it costs a fortune for no results, don't see the point for us. There is more variety if he isn't GFCF and therefore more oportunity to sneak stuff in.

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 12:04:10 AMSubject: Re: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues

My son is similar in the need for crunchy foods. He is apraxic and is undersensitive

in his mouth, if you know what I mean. I feel what your saying..its a very tricky thing

and sensory issues, so hard to work through. I would go with your Mommy instinct

if you feel he isnt eating enough, or trying to push him to eat foods he isnt ready for sensory wise, could backfire..maybe go real slow. Get him eating again and add one

GF food you think you can eventually replace...keep adding at his pace until you feel

he has an ok basic diet to work off of. Most people do cut the Gluten and casein

all at once but there are kids that just wont eat anything if its done that way.

Do you know of a nearby reahabilitation hospital for kids? Often they have feeding

specialists that can help. I thought it would be too clinical for my son, but its very

OT like, and actually sort of fun. He goes once a week right after OT and speech.

I really hope you can figure it out.

40 and Mom to threeTash 23 ooops..new Mommy ( I'm a Grammy to Kyri 2 )Casey-Mae 14..sweet as pieElijah 3.5 .. ASD and beautiful

From: Debra Kavky <dkavkyyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issuesTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 4:46 AM

Hi I make a crispy pizza using teff wraps with ground beef and rice cheese very little sauce cut it up and it looks like chips. One more thing. Use a mandolin slicer and fry veggies until crisp or bake them?Natures path does a great cheerio style cereal. Potatoes baked haf scooped with meat hmmmm.Good luck! Deb

From: Arrowood <emarrowoodyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, October 30, 2009 5:27:18 PMSubject: Diets sound great if your not dealing with sensory issues

None of these diets like SCD and GAPS address the sensory issues. If it was as easy as feeding them a healthy diet everyone would be doing it. My son won't even touch most foods. Crys and turns his head all the way around if you hold it up to him. For the most part he will only eat super crispy foods - cereals, crackers, pretzels. Basically crap. It doesn't matter if it is made from wheat, rice, corn, or even pork rinds. It just has to be crispy. He has a few exceptions - sometimes apple slices and sometimes orange slices. We have been GFCF for 3 months with no results. That will open up some options for him as he will eat super crispy grilled cheese and french toast made in the waffle iron (makes it thin and less squishy). At least it gets something solid in him and he won't be hungry all the time.

And no giving him nothing doesn't make him eat. He will starve himself, he will not eat to live if all you give him is mushy food or even just new food.

I also don't understand how to get enzymes in him. It is no secret that they taste terrible. I have the Enzymedica that you can put in the juice, but that makes it fizzy which he doesn't like.

I guess I just feel that all these plans oversimplify it. Am I the only one whose kid has a feeding disorder?