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(and anyone else with info), you wrote about a friend who developed

shingles after his child was vaccinated for chicken pox. I've put off

vaccinating my youngest 2 for it (the older ones had it already); an MD I

know recommended that, all things being equal, to wait till about 10 - if

they get it after 10 it's tougher for them. Now you make me wonder if,

even though I had it (twice) if I would be putting myself at risk by

vaccinating them.

Thanks for any info and stay well,

Fay

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Jody,

Yes, Scarlett's doing great, I don't think she suffered any longterm

effects. We also had her treated homeopathically immediately after the

event and she (and Stryker) have had constitutional homeopathic treatment.

I did report the incident to VAERS; I think the pediatrician filed her own

report, too.

Re: vaccines

> Hi ,

> I hope Scarlett is doing fine now! Did you and/or your dr. report this to

> VAERS? Less than 10% of the drs. nation wide report any adverse reactions

> so nothing gets done about cleaning them up and making them safer...that

is

> one reason why VAERS has changed who can report adverse reactions...now

> parents have the legal right to call them or report to them online and

they

> want to know ANY adverse reaction that a child has, no matter how small it

> may seem. It is the only way they can get things changed.

>

> Thank you for sharing what happened with us. I am not completely anti

> vaccine, but I do think we have to give them as purely as possible, as

> safely as possible and AFTER their immune systems have had a chance to

> develop...according to the head of the Erie County Health Department age 3

> is a 'safer' age to begin slowly vaccinating a child when there is any

auto

> immune disorders in their family. Something every one of us needs to

think

> about here.

>

> To those that have asked for the URL's I will get them out soon. In the

> mean time you can sign up for FEAT at www.feat.org it is very much

geared

> towards the autistic community but they supply a ton of vaccine

information

> both pro and con and many suggestions for how to give vaccines safely.

>

> Take care all,

> Jody

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Even some of the government studies are semi-funded by the drug

companies...and many many of the studies are financed by the drug companies

and are filtered through other areas making it difficult to find where their

money trickles in...it is coming out more and more now and the FDA and their

*advisory board* are under serious investigation for conflicts of interest.

Long long story here. There are no long term studies at all from any of the

drug companies on any of these vaccines, and when looking at the history,

especially the new ones are being rushed through the FDA to the drs.

Look at what happened with saccharin, they replaced it in a rush with

aspartame and that is even worse for us ... yet for now it remains on the

market until another replacement can be found...then watch how quick it is

pulled. The CDC, after being accused of the conflicts of interest as the

FDA is now looking more and more at the reactions of vaccines. They have

released news stories last year on Reuters health that there is a definite

link between certain vaccines and IDD, especially in children...and look how

quickly the increase in this is rising.

I just think WE have to be more careful and choosey on what we allow them to

but in our babies bodies...they are getting carried away with all the

vaccines. So many issues, so many lies, so many life's affected. I do

believe that the connections will be made between auto immune and

vaccinations as will vaccinations and connections of autism ADD/ADHD and

others...then what...immune systems will be altered so much, how would we

ever get them back to what the good Lord intended them to be when he created

man?

Take care,

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Hi Terry,

>>>>I am really, really tired and may not be making much sense so I'll stop

>>>>before I get into a rant!<<<<

To late for me...I got a little ragey last night. The dangers of the

current system just frustrate and anger me so much!

Jody

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Hi Fay-

I didn't write about shingles.

I did get my son vaccinated as an infant for Varicella because I was 25 and

his father was 26 when we came down with chicken pox. I was afraid that my

son wouldn't get them til he was older too.

Now, I'd probably wait until he was a little older (as you have). I'd have

to see a study that shows a relationship between shingles and getting your

child vaccinated before I could really comment on that. However, I'd think

if getting a child vaccinated for Varicella puts the parent at risk for

shingles than a child that contracted chicken pox would put their parent at

the same risk.

Take care,

> (and anyone else with info), you wrote about a friend who developed

> shingles after his child was vaccinated for chicken pox. I've put off

> vaccinating my youngest 2 for it (the older ones had it already); an MD I

> know recommended that, all things being equal, to wait till about 10 - if

> they get it after 10 it's tougher for them. Now you make me wonder if,

> even though I had it (twice) if I would be putting myself at risk by

> vaccinating them.

>

> Thanks for any info and stay well,

> Fay

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Fay,

I am the one who told you about my friend who contracted shingles in the eye

after his children had the chicken pox vaccine.

When you have chicken pox we are suppose to have a lifelong immunity to it.

If you are in doubt, ask to have titers run on you for any of the childhood

diseases...those you have had, those you haven't but been vaccinated for.

It will show if your immunity is still there.

Shingles is in the same family as chicken pox but I don't believe having

chicken pox will make you immune to shingles.

Take care,

Jody

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Do you know of any web sites that list the Canadian laws on vaccines? I know

there are less ways of getting out of them there than here.

Is religious exemption accepted there? As laws change here and more comes

out on this issue, hopefully it will help your laws change there too!

Take care,

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If anything this has brought very stimulating and important conversation

here. It is so important to look into these matters concerning especially

our children. I had my children's vaccines spread out at least 1 month

apart. My ped. Drs. had no problem with this. If fact my first ped. doc.

was from the old school (retired) and only did it this way. In the hospital

where I work we pulled the hep B vaccine because of the additives. Most of

the pediatricians were recommending a later start date than birth. Just a

note I didn't have my children vaccinated against chicken pox. I chose the

wait until they were school age to see if they acquired it on their own and

they did except for my three yr. old. I worry about getting shigles or the

pox when an adult if the vaccine doesn't have long term immunity. The

vaccine is relatively new yet and we have yet to see. Hope I didn't stir up

controversy... I.

vaccines

>

>

> > Hi just thought I would respond to the vaccine controversy. I can

> understand that we all don't want our children or grandchildren to suffer

> from auto immune diseases like ourselves but what of the consequences of

the

> potential diseases? I realize the risk may seem small to acquire whooping

> cough or measles but do you know how serious the side effects of these

> diseases can be? I am a pediatric ICU/ maternal child nurse and have seen

> first hand terrible side effects from lack of immunization. I have in my

> career seen at least four deaths or serious brain damage due to

encephalitis

> directly related to young children getting measles. It is just horrible

to

> see a perfectly normal child end up dead or so brain damaged they will

never

> talk, walk, or eat on their own. As far as whooping cough, the cough

> related to this is so rotten, endless like you are coughing a lung out.

You

> can also cough up blood and scar your lungs for life. I have seen kids

end

> up on ventilators because of this . IT is extremely contagious also.

> Before jumping the gun here please explore everything first , like does

the

> benefit outway the risk. I am not trying campaign for the drug companies

> here just trying to make sure we are all educated before making decisions

> that could impact our precious childrens lives. In my case all my

children

> have been immunized. I have seen one too many harmful effects for me to

> take the risk. Thanks for hearing me, I.

> >

> >

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I love the names of your children!

The homeopathic treatments the kids have had, isn't this suppose to help

remove the impurities that the vaccines dump into the body? I thought I had

read about this a while ago and can't remember where. Could you elaborate

on this?

Thanks tons and I am so glad that Scarlett is doing great!

Jody

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You didn't stir anything up...when I brought it up it was because of the

auto immunity issues that are being connected with vaccines, the lack of

long term studies and the risk factor because we all have autoimmune here to

our children. Besides, what is better than a good discussion!

Believe it or not, I am not anti vaccine, just some of them, it is the

additives in them that I am opposed to, the young age they begin attacking

our children with them...no one as explained to me WHY they must be

vaccinated before their immune systems were developed. Also, when something

is govt. mandated but there is no one held accountable for the serious

reactions and death that are occurring but no one pays for that...so

mandating them, holding no one accountable raises the red flags that they

(govt./drug companies/MAYBE drs.) are aware of the DANGERS that exist. Who

knows, maybe there are long term studies out there, but they don't dare

release the results of them because it is not good!

Anyhow, great discussion going, whether one is pro or con, it does get us

thinking. How is the pregnancy going? How much longer and how are you

feeling?

Take care,

Jody

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When my mom got shingles in the late 80's her dr. made the connection

between shingles and chicken pox with her and asked if she had been around

any child who had recently had or was exposed to chicken pox. There is a

connection, I just haven't searched for it.

Also, who got shingles in his one eye and lost the vision also is IDD.

I didn't think about that when I first wrote about him.

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Hi Jody and -

Jody-Well, they've definitely screwed up in the past (and will in the

future). And I do think there is probably a relationship between vaccines

and the later development of autoimmune disease. They pump too many

vaccines at once into babies with immature immune systems. That never ever

happened in nature. So I think your concern is warranted.

-Thankyou for answering my question. I think this is an important

discussion to bring up since so many of us are the parents of small

children. I had brought this up with our next door neighbor. She's a

pediatric respiratory therapist at our local children's hospital and was

telling me about all the unnecessary deaths she sees from children going

unvaccinated. I hadn't really thought it was such a problem until I spoke

to her and it frightened me. Such a quandary. I think it's good to be

cautious regarding both sides.

Anyways, I'm off to the coast with my hubby today for our 14th anniversary.

I did get positively diagnosed with PCOS so we have our work cut out for us

in the babymaking department.

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Have a great time! Relax, no stress, and hopefully a miracle for you and

Tom. Happy Anniversary.

I would like to ask a couple of questions regarding this post and your

neighbor when you get back ... can take it private if you want.

*HUGZ* and happy times,

Jody

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Doris, You are right. We probably won't be able to have a choice.

Schools decide

policy. Governments decide policy. My niece had a terrible reaction to

her first whooping cough vaccine. Naturally we didn't want her to have a

second but the school board required that she have another. It took

months of work to get her into school and this was

14 years ago.

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Hi karen,

I'm glad you " stirred " this up - in my book, this isn't controversy, but the

type of conversation that makes better parents and, in the long run, better

citizens.

It was nice to hear how you vaccinated your kids. . . we're thinking if we

do give Scarlett (our chid who ahd the reaction) any more immunizations it

would be polio (which does exist in the world, even in some parts of the US)

and tetanus (I haven't ever heard of a negative reaction to this one and it

seems the most likely illness to get) and when she's older, the shot for

German measles, I think (the type that can cause problems in pregnancy).

So we're now considering these vaccinations and would do them far apart.

I can't imagine giving her any others, however.

Jody -- as for homeopathy, the treatment strengthens one's original

constitution. So whatever remedy you get as a constitutional, long term

treatment strengthens your immune system, heart, the whole shebang. Various

other remedies are given to antidote certain substances or diseases.

I have to say that I thought homeopahty was a bunch of hooey until I tried

it myself. When I first got Graves, I started homeopathy before

anything--before weaning Scarlett or macrobiotics, etc. and saw an immediate

and dramatic effect.

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Jody,

I'll find out more the next time I see the homeopath - in about a week.

You'll love this: our homeopath is an M.D. who still has his medical

license. He doesn't practice now, though. His specialty? Infectious

diseases. Who is making the strongest case that the only immunization

Scarlett should get (when she's a teenager) is measles? This doctor.

I'm not totally sold . . . as I said, we're considering some shots. I also

just got a tentanus vaccine after jabbing myself with a rusty nail. But it

is reassuring, as an academic, to know that the issue is not as clear-cut as

most doctors make it, that there are doctors out here who are leery of

vaccines, too.

Such a tough issue! I almost don't want a third baby because I would have

to decide what to do!!

Almost . . . :)

B

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> Hi ,

> I had read from someone, maybe on my novaccines group that whenever their

> child had to receive a vaccination, they immediately left the

pediatricians

> office, went to a homeopath and something was done to remove the toxins

from

> the vaccine from the little ones body. It has been a while, and I am

> learning more and more about homeopathy, this one I want to remember. If

> you see or speak to your homeopath, maybe you could find out the answer on

> this one for me/us. Thanks,

> Jody

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Hi ,

I had read from someone, maybe on my novaccines group that whenever their

child had to receive a vaccination, they immediately left the pediatricians

office, went to a homeopath and something was done to remove the toxins from

the vaccine from the little ones body. It has been a while, and I am

learning more and more about homeopathy, this one I want to remember. If

you see or speak to your homeopath, maybe you could find out the answer on

this one for me/us. Thanks,

Jody

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> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 08:54:51 -0700

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: Re: vaccines

>

> Anyways, I'm off to the coast with my hubby today for our 14th anniversary.

> I did get positively diagnosed with PCOS so we have our work cut out for us

> in the babymaking department

,

Happy anniversary! I had PCOS in 1976, and it's the reason I got going with

acupuncture/herbs--when you get back, I'll tell you about it. Long story

short, it got 100% cured. I have 2 more kids that prove it!

Terry

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Hi ,

Thanks for finding out for me. I think that is fascinating about the MD

that gave up that form of medicine to practice homeopathy! I have heard

that many of the new drs. coming out of med school are also taking 18 mos.

of natural healing somewhere in AZ. I'm not sure where or what school, but

it sure is encouraging to see some of the new breed look at a combination.

If there are certain shots you would like the kids to have, I can send you

privately Dr. Roy Kerry of Greenville, Pa.'s phone number and address and he

or his office should be able to put you in touch with a dr. in your area who

gives vaccines in the purest form and they are mixed fresh...none are a

combination.

Would you like me to send you the Megson Report on vaccines and

autoimmunity?

Talk to you soon,

Jody

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Hi Jody, no we have no religious exemption. I think that's what made it

so difficult. We have many people in this area who want religious

exemptions. And lets face it for the good public health in general not

everyone can be exempted.

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I have to agree. My own son had a severe reaction to a DTP and MMR vaccine.

He had severe seizures and was hospitalized. We never gave him another shot.

my oldest son had his shots but we wish we would of never given his. We

didn't know it at the time that he had fanconi anemia and that giving him

some of the shots could wipe out his immune system that was already failing.

Since his transplant we have decided not to immunize him because some of the

other children had died as a result of their immunizations. As for my

daughter, she has never had an immunization and has been the healthiest. I do

still struggle with the decision too but I am not about to risk another child

having a seizure or any more problems. One of the best web sites about

vaccines and reactions is at www.909shot.com, I believe or its .org.

Darla Lindenmayer

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> Anyhow...I didn't mean to go so off topic and have it

continue...but when NY

> State is allowing medical waivers for our children from vaccines

because a

> close relative has an auto immune disease, I thought it should be

shared.

> Hope no one minds to much. And no one should say a definite NO to

> vaccinating their children...but I do believe that looking into the

pros and

> cons of how children are vaccinated and finding the safest way to

do it

> should be considered.

>

> Take care all, and I hope I didn't offend anyone by starting this

thread.

> Jody

I don't think it's off topic at all. It is a very important one for

people to understand if we are going to be responsible parents to the

babies, the people, we bring into the world. We should definitely

have some understanding of this. I wish I had. Who knows what

autoimmune problems have been triggered by vaccines in any of us or

our children. In deciding to vaccinate or not, it seems to me that it

is a high-stakes gamble either way. I guess we just make a choice and

hope we pick the right option...

F

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Jody,

What a good letter!

> Hi Terry,

> There are absolutely NO LONG TERM STUDIES regarding vaccines,

adverse

> reactions, autoimmune connection, IDD (though the CDC last year

released 2

> news releases on Reuters connecting IDD with 2 different

vaccines...I can't

> find the articles in my files though :(

>

> There is also another fact. Vaccines do not give one a live time

immunity

> so adults in their 30s with young children can be prone to getting

the

> diseases when their children are vaccinated with vaccines that

carry the

> live virus's.

>

> If you would like Terry, when I send out the url's on vaccines I

can include

> you in it. I am trying to send the ones that have lots of links

with them

> and every one can form their own opinions on this. I have been

researching

> it almost 2 years now and it scares the devil out of me...but since

I have

> learned from personal experience NOT to trust *MY* drs. word on

> information...why on earth would I trust a childs dr.?

>

> There is just something very funny in all of this. Drs. receive

$100 per

> child who is up to date on vaccines by age 2...school districts

receive $100

> per child who is up to date on vaccines by age 6. Current federal

laws

> MANDATE our children must be vaccinated BUT you can't sue the

dr./nurse who

> vaccinates them nor can you sue the drug mfg. who makes them....as

laws

> stand today...you have VAERS on a federally level (good luck with

the red

> tape and bureaucracy) and on a state level...our state

representatives are

> the only ones that can be held accountable for adverse reactions.

Even

> though federal law mandates the vaccines each state government sets

the

> requirements, that is why they are the first in the accountability

line.

> And they can't go back on the federal govt.

>

> When we were children we went to the drs. when we were sick, when

my

> daughter (age 30) was little she went for a 6 week check up, a 6

month

> checkup and a yearly...NOW we have *well baby* visits beginning at

ONE WEEK

> ... what are there now, about 9 visits that first year? I really

don't

> know...but I do know that they begin getting these vaccines before

they

> leave the hospitals...before their immune systems have had a chance

to

> develop...who is making out here?

>

> My sons Bio and Chemistry professors have both said that by

vaccinating

> beginning at such a young age it changes the DNA of their immune

systems. I

> don't know if this is true...but if it is, does this mean 50 or 100

years

> from now no one will have a working immune system because of

government

> mandated vaccines? Who is making the money off of this?

>

> One more thing...how many times have EACH AND EVERYONE of us with

GD been

> lied to over the years, symptoms that are NOT related to GD, must

be stress,

> anxiety, in your head...here take a prozac...weight gain, not

related to GD,

> you just aren't exercising...sore muscles, can't be happening, your

not

> hyper anymore...continued hair loss...change your shampoo....I

could go on

> and on and on and so could each and everyone of you.

>

> Knowing and learning what we have and continue to do here...why

should that

> not be the case regarding vaccines and our children and safety?

None of the

> professionals want to say much or point fingers because then they

are ALL

> responsible...so parents are out there, researching and learning

and

> discussing adverse reactions and deaths with vaccines, just the way

we do

> here with GD.

>

> Think about it.

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Thanks so much for replying; it helps me to feel as if I'm making the right

decision in regards to those shots. They do seem the most important, to me,

and the least likely to cause Scarlett harm. On my bad days, I really,

really wish we KNEW for sure which vaccine caused the reaction. Alas. When

she gets these, as she probably will when she's a bit older, I will do them

one at a time. . .

B

Re: vaccines

>

>

> > Hi karen,

> >

> > I'm glad you " stirred " this up - in my book, this isn't controversy, but

> the

> > type of conversation that makes better parents and, in the long run,

> better

> > citizens.

> >

> > It was nice to hear how you vaccinated your kids. . . we're thinking if

we

> > do give Scarlett (our chid who ahd the reaction) any more immunizations

it

> > would be polio (which does exist in the world, even in some parts of the

> US)

> > and tetanus (I haven't ever heard of a negative reaction to this one and

> it

> > seems the most likely illness to get) and when she's older, the shot for

> > German measles, I think (the type that can cause problems in pregnancy).

> >

> > So we're now considering these vaccinations and would do them far apart.

> > I can't imagine giving her any others, however.

> >

> > Jody -- as for homeopathy, the treatment strengthens one's original

> > constitution. So whatever remedy you get as a constitutional, long term

> > treatment strengthens your immune system, heart, the whole shebang.

> Various

> > other remedies are given to antidote certain substances or diseases.

> >

> > I have to say that I thought homeopahty was a bunch of hooey until I

tried

> > it myself. When I first got Graves, I started homeopathy before

> > anything--before weaning Scarlett or macrobiotics, etc. and saw an

> immediate

> > and dramatic effect.

> >

> > B

> >

> >

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> intended to replace expert medical care.

> > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> > ----------------------------------------

> >

> >

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Sorry to take so long, I've been working non-stop for the last few days and

got myself into the exhausted realm briefly. Catering is like that, either

dead quiet or swamped. Another few weeks and I slow way down again.

Briefly, I was diagnosed by my gyn way back in about 1975, when my oldest

was 3 years old. I had classic symptoms including sudden facial hair,

thickening waist, lowering voice, and my period stopped dead. I honestly

don't remember all the tests they ran, probably blood work I guess, but I

remember the little drawing she made of an ovary with what looked like rice

crispies all over it. I also remember being offered some treatment options

but I don't remember exactly what they were, only that I was freaked out and

immersed in my doctor-phobia, and also at the time, living very

hand-to-mouth, short-order cooking single mom of a 3 year old, no med

insurance, and my head in a bad place. I do remember a full year without a

period.

As I mentioned, I short-order cooked, and did it right in front of the

counter where customers sat. I did breakfast/lunch shift, and had many

" regulars " . One who I got to know was an acupuncturist, one of the first in

the area, Zeiger. He was initially a pharmacologist, and had a fairly

small, new practice as an acupuncturist and herbalist at the time.

I'm sure I was upset enough over all of this that it showed, and I've no

real memory how we started talking about it--but he decided to treat me, at

minimal charge since I had no money. I saw him for 6 months, every 5 days

for acupuncture and boiled his herbal concoctions and drank them faithfully.

The symptoms gradually disappeared, my period came back, and it was gone.

Gone so completely that the gyn. who had taken over my old one's practice

and who I still see, didn't believe I ever had PCOS despite all the records.

Anyway, that's what started me trusting Chinese medicine. While it's not

perfect, it cured me, it cured my son's horrible asthma, and at this point,

it keeps me in far better shape than I imagine I'd be in without it. Hope

this helps!

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 18:14:26 -0700

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: Re: vaccines

>

> Hi Terry-

>

> I would be interested in what you did about PCOS. The only concern I have

> is that I have no thyroid function of my own so I worry if that affects

> treatments.

>

> My sister was recently diagnosed with PCOS too (about the same time I was).

> She didn't have trouble with infertility (3 children) but she has problems

> with insulin resistance, acne and hirsutism. She doesn't have any diagnosed

> thyroid problems or autoimmune disorders. But I worry a lot about her

> health (she's obese and leads a very unhealthy lifestyle) and any advice

> would be very appreciated.

>

> Take care,

>

>

>

>

>>> Anyways, I'm off to the coast with my hubby today for our 14th

> anniversary.

>>> I did get positively diagnosed with PCOS so we have our work cut out for

> us

>>> in the babymaking department

>>

>> ,

>>

>> Happy anniversary! I had PCOS in 1976, and it's the reason I got going

> with

>> acupuncture/herbs--when you get back, I'll tell you about it. Long story

>> short, it got 100% cured. I have 2 more kids that prove it!

>>

>> Terry

>

>

>

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> intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

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