Re: Re: Adrenal Support - turning into a Topper Ramble.

[Guest guest]

The shying away from crowds and strangers seems to be related to the adrenals... being in a crowd and/or around folks that you don't know brings up our excitement level, raises the adrenaline levels. If your adrenals are fatigued and thyroid levels are low the low levels stress can get to you....

It depends on how low your hormone levels are, and for how long... folks that have been dealing with less than optimal levels for extended periods of time have a tendency to want to stay around familiar people and places.

I noticed it in myself but didn't understand it until YEARS later. My jobs were very public, customer service type work out on the road so new people and places daily.... Now... I'm getting better... but I still haven't gotten to the point where I'm chomping at the bit to get out and about.

Part of my 'shy' attitude now MIGHT be that I was so easily tired in the past and became sore and fatigued and took days to recover that I'm 'allergic' to being out and about....

I'm trying to work on it, though.

As for avoiding 'Band-Aid' treatment.. Boy, do I EVER agree with you, Gossimer. There are things that we can do to feel better sooner. But there is such a fine line between doing it right and over doing.. that 'good' can quickly turn to bad and then having to start all over. I admit that I have been very cautious in much of what I've done in my own journey of self treatment (and even that I did ONLY when I had no other option and was so underdosed and ill that I needed crutches to walk.. whole long story) because I have gotten over zealous and I did over do... I took too much adrenal at first and had a BAD CRASH, actually falling down, not from the adrenal supplementation itself, but from pushing my body farther and faster than it could go... it told me to slow down the only way that it could, by telling my legs to just let go and me hitting the floor.

Twice I pushed my thyroid dosage increases too fast.. causing myself to go mildly hyper.... the first time I had to cut back my dosage and then work back up.. the second time I caught it sooner and just went back to the previous dosage. Now, for those that are thinking that I was just close to my optimal and that was the problem... I think not.. The first instance was increase from 2 1/2 grain to 3, I had to back down to 2 and then gradually work up to 2 1/2 again.... the second time I went to 3 it worked.... no ill effects. Pulse and temps were doing as they should, slight rise right after the change and then dropping a bit, but still above where they were previous to the dosage adjustment.... the next problem came at the point where I was working on going from 3 to 3 1/2... that time I just backed down to 3 for a while and then went on a varied dosage schedule... a couple times a week I did 3 1/2 grain, the others 3.... then after a few weeks I did alternating days.... now I'm comfortably at 3 1/2 and I'm considering working up toward 4.

My temp is good, my pulse is good. But I'm still not all the way back, and I realize it will take time... I'm working on a lot of years of being underdosed and my body has a lot to catch up with.

But I'm patient. I've come a LONG way in the 29 months since I've been on natural and want to see how much farther I can go.

oh my gosh... I am rambling today.... hehehehehehe

Topper ()

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:16:56 -0000 "gossimerwingz" writes:

chuckle,You know, I had an interesting comment from a male friend a week ago. He has known me for 15 years, since before my mini storm... He out and asked me if I was on anti-depresents or something. He said that I don't sound happy or sad or seem to get upset anymore....He hasn't offically seen me now in 2 years, we talk on the phone at least once a month...(I'm glad that he hasn't seen me physically in the last couple of years,,,it has been since my last surgery that the weight ran onto me...sigh) anyways, as many of you have been mentioning lately, listlessness, often thought of as depression, is a definite sigh of undertreatment of the Thryoid and Adrenals. I never put the two together until you all began mentioning it and he said what he said...it was quite an eye opener...this might just be why I no longer enjoy being around strange people...Got my Nutri-meds today and will see how this part of my life is improved over time...nothing will happen over night, I prefer a slow healing...that is permanent...no instant bandaid for this girl.Gossimer

[Guest guest]

Is now a good time to admit that I get stuff from my own ramblings? sometimes as it comes pouring out I get a heads up into something that I didn't notice!!!!

hehehehe

Topper ()

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:50:50 -0000 "gossimerwingz" writes:

Hey,Its okay to ramble....it is by your rambles that I have learned an awful lot!!!!!And not every thing can be remembered with the first reading...there is so much to learn about what our bodies are going through....Gossimer

[Guest guest]

I seem to be going too slow in my approach to my thyroid health care----

The "Chicken Pard"

Re: Re: Adrenal Support - turning into a Topper Ramble.

The shying away from crowds and strangers seems to be related to the adrenals... being in a crowd and/or around folks that you don't know brings up our excitement level, raises the adrenaline levels. If your adrenals are fatigued and thyroid levels are low the low levels stress can get to you....

It depends on how low your hormone levels are, and for how long... folks that have been dealing with less than optimal levels for extended periods of time have a tendency to want to stay around familiar people and places.

I noticed it in myself but didn't understand it until YEARS later. My jobs were very public, customer service type work out on the road so new people and places daily.... Now... I'm getting better... but I still haven't gotten to the point where I'm chomping at the bit to get out and about.

Part of my 'shy' attitude now MIGHT be that I was so easily tired in the past and became sore and fatigued and took days to recover that I'm 'allergic' to being out and about....

I'm trying to work on it, though.

As for avoiding 'Band-Aid' treatment.. Boy, do I EVER agree with you, Gossimer. There are things that we can do to feel better sooner. But there is such a fine line between doing it right and over doing.. that 'good' can quickly turn to bad and then having to start all over. I admit that I have been very cautious in much of what I've done in my own journey of self treatment (and even that I did ONLY when I had no other option and was so underdosed and ill that I needed crutches to walk.. whole long story) because I have gotten over zealous and I did over do... I took too much adrenal at first and had a BAD CRASH, actually falling down, not from the adrenal supplementation itself, but from pushing my body farther and faster than it could go... it told me to slow down the only way that it could, by telling my legs to just let go and me hitting the floor.

Twice I pushed my thyroid dosage increases too fast.. causing myself to go mildly hyper.... the first time I had to cut back my dosage and then work back up.. the second time I caught it sooner and just went back to the previous dosage. Now, for those that are thinking that I was just close to my optimal and that was the problem... I think not.. The first instance was increase from 2 1/2 grain to 3, I had to back down to 2 and then gradually work up to 2 1/2 again.... the second time I went to 3 it worked.... no ill effects. Pulse and temps were doing as they should, slight rise right after the change and then dropping a bit, but still above where they were previous to the dosage adjustment.... the next problem came at the point where I was working on going from 3 to 3 1/2... that time I just backed down to 3 for a while and then went on a varied dosage schedule... a couple times a week I did 3 1/2 grain, the others 3.... then after a few weeks I did alternating days.... now I'm comfortably at 3 1/2 and I'm considering working up toward 4.

My temp is good, my pulse is good. But I'm still not all the way back, and I realize it will take time... I'm working on a lot of years of being underdosed and my body has a lot to catch up with.

But I'm patient. I've come a LONG way in the 29 months since I've been on natural and want to see how much farther I can go.

oh my gosh... I am rambling today.... hehehehehehe

Topper ()

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:16:56 -0000 "gossimerwingz" writes:

chuckle,You know, I had an interesting comment from a male friend a week ago. He has known me for 15 years, since before my mini storm... He out and asked me if I was on anti-depresents or something. He said that I don't sound happy or sad or seem to get upset anymore....He hasn't offically seen me now in 2 years, we talk on the phone at least once a month...(I'm glad that he hasn't seen me physically in the last couple of years,,,it has been since my last surgery that the weight ran onto me...sigh) anyways, as many of you have been mentioning lately, listlessness, often thought of as depression, is a definite sigh of undertreatment of the Thryoid and Adrenals. I never put the two together until you all began mentioning it and he said what he said...it was quite an eye opener...this might just be why I no longer enjoy being around strange people...Got my Nutri-meds today and will see how this part of my life is improved over time...nothing will happen over night, I prefer a slow healing...that is permanent...no instant bandaid for this girl.Gossimer

[Guest guest]

I'm gonna load up that squirt gun and start chasing you again, pard...... does anyone have one that can shoot from Minnesota to Texas!!!????!!!!

hehehehehe

To be fair, you did have to deal with the cellulitis last winter... but it's time to kick your butt in gear now... getting your eating regular and regular sleep schedule are the two biggies.... Remind me... when are you due to go in for labs again?

Topper () *for the newbies.... and I are co-owners of this group and a couple of others, as well as a web site... we are partners... pards... *

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/TTSG_Cafe/http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Overcoming_TD_Metabolism/www.thyrophoenix.com

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:28:14 -0600 "Feisty\(ThyroFeisty\)" writes:

I seem to be going too slow in my approach to my thyroid health care----

The "Chicken Pard"\

[Guest guest]

I am sure I am due for new labs... The last were in May.I also want to check about my hurting joints all over--that seem worse in the cold. Where's the jacuzzi......

I am directly south of Topper, so is there anyone that can shield me say in Kansas or Oklahoma?or Northern Texas.....

Speaking of which....

In 1845 on this date, Texas became a state.....

The less verbose partner

Re: Re: Adrenal Support - turning into a Topper Ramble.

I'm gonna load up that squirt gun and start chasing you again, pard...... does anyone have one that can shoot from Minnesota to Texas!!!????!!!!

hehehehehe

To be fair, you did have to deal with the cellulitis last winter... but it's time to kick your butt in gear now... getting your eating regular and regular sleep schedule are the two biggies.... Remind me... when are you due to go in for labs again?

Topper () *for the newbies.... and I are co-owners of this group and a couple of others, as well as a web site... we are partners... pards... *

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/TTSG_Cafe/http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Overcoming_TD_Metabolism/www.thyrophoenix.com

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:28:14 -0600 "Feisty\(ThyroFeisty\)" writes:

I seem to be going too slow in my approach to my thyroid health care----

The "Chicken Pard"\

[Guest guest]

Jacuzzi... is a no no for someone with lymphedema... the heat, remember???

Start rattle the doc's door and get some labs ordered.. you're due....

Topper () *calculating the angle of the shot, what degree would be needed to pass over any blockades and drop the grape juice from near vertical....*

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:20:55 -0600 "Feisty\(ThyroFeisty\)" writes:

I am sure I am due for new labs... The last were in May.I also want to check about my hurting joints all over--that seem worse in the cold. Where's the jacuzzi......

I am directly south of Topper, so is there anyone that can shield me say in Kansas or Oklahoma?or Northern Texas.....

Speaking of which....

In 1845 on this date, Texas became a state.....

The less verbose partner

[Guest guest]

Topper!

You've got those HealthCheck papers in hand still? You need your test. I'm not saying that's going to tell everything, but surely you're curious to know where you're feeling good at, right? I actually hated going out for my blood draw in the beginning, but now it's routine. The lab people now actually know who HealthCheck is, as they had never heard of anyone getting their own blood draw, in the beginning. Now they have a growing list of people doing this.

Re: Re: Adrenal Support - turning into a Topper Ramble.

The shying away from crowds and strangers seems to be related to the adrenals... being in a crowd and/or around folks that you don't know brings up our excitement level, raises the adrenaline levels. If your adrenals are fatigued and thyroid levels are low the low levels stress can get to you....

It depends on how low your hormone levels are, and for how long... folks that have been dealing with less than optimal levels for extended periods of time have a tendency to want to stay around familiar people and places.

I noticed it in myself but didn't understand it until YEARS later. My jobs were very public, customer service type work out on the road so new people and places daily.... Now... I'm getting better... but I still haven't gotten to the point where I'm chomping at the bit to get out and about.

Part of my 'shy' attitude now MIGHT be that I was so easily tired in the past and became sore and fatigued and took days to recover that I'm 'allergic' to being out and about....

I'm trying to work on it, though.

As for avoiding 'Band-Aid' treatment.. Boy, do I EVER agree with you, Gossimer. There are things that we can do to feel better sooner. But there is such a fine line between doing it right and over doing.. that 'good' can quickly turn to bad and then having to start all over. I admit that I have been very cautious in much of what I've done in my own journey of self treatment (and even that I did ONLY when I had no other option and was so underdosed and ill that I needed crutches to walk.. whole long story) because I have gotten over zealous and I did over do... I took too much adrenal at first and had a BAD CRASH, actually falling down, not from the adrenal supplementation itself, but from pushing my body farther and faster than it could go... it told me to slow down the only way that it could, by telling my legs to just let go and me hitting the floor.

Twice I pushed my thyroid dosage increases too fast.. causing myself to go mildly hyper.... the first time I had to cut back my dosage and then work back up.. the second time I caught it sooner and just went back to the previous dosage. Now, for those that are thinking that I was just close to my optimal and that was the problem... I think not.. The first instance was increase from 2 1/2 grain to 3, I had to back down to 2 and then gradually work up to 2 1/2 again.... the second time I went to 3 it worked.... no ill effects. Pulse and temps were doing as they should, slight rise right after the change and then dropping a bit, but still above where they were previous to the dosage adjustment.... the next problem came at the point where I was working on going from 3 to 3 1/2... that time I just backed down to 3 for a while and then went on a varied dosage schedule... a couple times a week I did 3 1/2 grain, the others 3.... then after a few weeks I did alternating days.... now I'm comfortably at 3 1/2 and I'm considering working up toward 4.

My temp is good, my pulse is good. But I'm still not all the way back, and I realize it will take time... I'm working on a lot of years of being underdosed and my body has a lot to catch up with.

But I'm patient. I've come a LONG way in the 29 months since I've been on natural and want to see how much farther I can go.

oh my gosh... I am rambling today.... hehehehehehe

Topper ()

[Guest guest]

,

I still have the papers.... I'm now in week two of my last adjustments... four weeks to go.... and I have a ride lined up, if she's still willing... otherwise I'll be looking for someone else that has the time to go.....

Topper ()

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:19:41 -0600 " " writes:

Topper!

You've got those HealthCheck papers in hand still? You need your test. I'm not saying that's going to tell everything, but surely you're curious to know where you're feeling good at, right? I actually hated going out for my blood draw in the beginning, but now it's routine. The lab people now actually know who HealthCheck is, as they had never heard of anyone getting their own blood draw, in the beginning. Now they have a growing list of people doing this.

[Guest guest]

If you are still only on a grain of thyroid, then it's probably time or past time for it to come up. I was thinking that's what you said you're on right now. Six to eight months is a long time not to be checking out the Free T3 and Free T4. I think some of that aching will go away when you bring it up. It was when the weather turned cooler that some of my symptoms started going back to where they were, and, sure enough, when I tested, the Free T4 was rock bottom again, with Free T3 back down to barely mid range. The cold weather really does have something to do with signals to the hypothalamus to step up the production of thyroid hormone. Somehow, the cold makes our bodies need more, but, in our case, we can't produce any more, so we have to do it mechanically. In your case, I'm guessing you're long overdue for an increase any way.

Re: Re: Adrenal Support - turning into a Topper Ramble.

I am sure I am due for new labs... The last were in May.I also want to check about my hurting joints all over--that seem worse in the cold. Where's the jacuzzi......

I am directly south of Topper, so is there anyone that can shield me say in Kansas or Oklahoma?or Northern Texas.....

Speaking of which....

In 1845 on this date, Texas became a state.....

The less verbose partner

[Guest guest]

It makes sense that we need more when the weather cools... our bodies need to kick up the body heat, to keep us warm, that requires an increase in metabolic rate... and low thyroid makes keeping metabolism up and functioning as it should a challenge....

Topper ()

On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:29:06 -0600 " " writes:

If you are still only on a grain of thyroid, then it's probably time or past time for it to come up. I was thinking that's what you said you're on right now. Six to eight months is a long time not to be checking out the Free T3 and Free T4. I think some of that aching will go away when you bring it up. It was when the weather turned cooler that some of my symptoms started going back to where they were, and, sure enough, when I tested, the Free T4 was rock bottom again, with Free T3 back down to barely mid range. The cold weather really does have something to do with signals to the hypothalamus to step up the production of thyroid hormone. Somehow, the cold makes our bodies need more, but, in our case, we can't produce any more, so we have to do it mechanically. In your case, I'm guessing you're long overdue for an increase any way.