Re: please need advice on drs

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Hello,

I am pretty new to this site as well but i can tell you the first

thing you have to do is calm down and breath. You sound just like me

when when i found this. Scared out of my mind and not knowing where

to go or what to do next. The ladies on this site are so helpful im

sure they can lead you in the right direction and put you at ease. I

realize the last thing you want to hear right now is to calm down

but you have to clear your head in order to get a game plan

together. From what i understand Dr. Kolb is one of the recommended

doctors on this site. What did she have to say?

--- In , " sue_cat_az " <sue_cat_az@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello,

> I have written before, I only had my saline implants in 3 months

but

> experienced muscle and chest wall pain immediately after surgery.

> Is it possible to develop a fungus that fast and have capsules

form

> that quickly?

> I consulted with Dr. Kolb and am so confused. She did an MSH

> hormone test and a VCS vision test. I " failed " both. I then

> scheduled a surgery date and was put on VFEND an antifungal, Cipro

> and supplements. I became very sick with intestinal issues a few

> weeks after. We stopped the meds, but I continue to have issues.

> I was told that the other dr.s recommended on this website who

> perform removal of the capsules do not necessarily believe they

> cause disease......is this true? What do I believe? My surgery

is

> on hold, I cannot make a decision. I am so lost. What if its

just

> scarring and adhesions and another surgery will make me worse? My

> chest wall is so tiny, I have been told the impact of the implants

> has forced everything up and the fascia is stuck together. What

if

> its just trauma from the implants? It has been two years though

> since explant.

> Please tell me your experiences. I just dont know what to do. I

am

> so stressed, is that my problem? I dont feel like going on, I am

so

> weary and so incredibly distraught all the time.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue, Your confusion is understandable. There are alot of opinions out there, and alot of voices that are credible. It would be nice if everyone was singing off of the same page. But with the implant issue, unfortunately, there are still too many questions about the exact causes of our response to the implants. I'll try to add my opinion and hopefully it will all make sense to you. First, about the fungus....there are two sources of the fungus that could be considered. One, from the saline solution in the implants. I personally am not convinced that it is the only reason you could become ill that quickly, but I suppose it certainly could form within 3 months. (It probably would in a container in that period of time.) Your body would be fighting it if it did form. Second, there is fungus in our bodies already as a rule, in the form of

candida. This is normal for everyone. The difference between a sick person and a healthy person is when the candida is given the opportunity to multiply unchecked. This can happen when conditions in the body change, such as consuming excess sugar, having a weakened immune system, antibiotic use, surgery, emotional trauma and more. Once the candida multiplies and gets a foothold in the gut, it can mutate into mycelial forms that cross the intestinal wall and enter the bloodstream. You get all kinds of symptoms of illness then. It is called a candida infection, or yeast infection. Yes, this can happen as a result of implants. Capsules will form around every implant given time. We've had women with implants in as little as 3 or 4 months and they had capsules. The capsules can be paper tissue thin, or they can be thick like rubber. It all

depends on your immune system. So, yes, you probably had capsules. I don't believe a doctor who tells a woman "There were no capsules" at explant unless it was less than a month or so. I think that is deceiving and taking advantage of women, and I just heard of that on this group recently. I don't buy it. How do you know that all of the capsules were not removed at explant the first time? There are many doctors who do not believe that capsules in a woman's body are a problem. So many of them leave them in. We've gone head to head with them at times about this, getting the support of the doctors who do believe that capsules cause risks to women long term, such as Dr. Feng and Dr. Kolb. We KNOW these risks exist based on what some of our women have experienced. Lea right now is struggling with horrible symptoms due to her retained scar

capsules. There are no studies that say scar capsules dissolve in time. NONE. The only SAFE solution for health is to ensure that the capsules are all removed. Period. I deplore compromise in this area only for the sake of an easier surgery for the doctor. It is in the woman's best interest to get all capsules removed. If you are not getting better and you know you have capsules left in your body, I would go ahead with surgery just to have that peace of mind. Once they are gone, you will know you've done all you could. If you leave them in, you will always be wondering about it, and you will not get that peace of mind. Healing takes a long time, especially if there are adrenal issues involved--the adrenal glands can heal, but it can take up to two years and longer if the lifestyle is not changed to support adrenal healing. You

will notice that every doctor has their favorite area of focus when it comes to healing. Some are convinced candida is the biggest culprit and attack from that angle. Others will focus on molds and attack from another angle. Others will have a colon cleansing and parasite focus. Still others will have a heavy metals and platinum focus. Then there is the thyroid focus, the adrenal focus, the acid/alkaline focus, the liver focus and more. Others will just say see a rheumatologist and suggest drugs. You have to decide what you are most comfortable with and use common sense. It's all very confusing to be sure, but do not allow yourself to be pulled along on a road you don't want to go down. If you are not comfortable with an approach that someone is suggesting, don't do anything until you are convinced this is the right path. Otherwise you heap fear and confusion on top of fear and

confusion. My firm conviction is that we can get better once properly explanted, avoid drugs, help our bodies detox, support our organs, support the endocrine system with the appropriate hormones, eat nutritionally sound foods, avoid allergenic foods, exercise and stay spiritually strong. If what you have done is not working, try something new. Push your limits of comfort by becoming knowledgeable. Do those therapies that are SAFE, natural, have been around for centuries so you know they are tried and tested and effective. Expect flares as you heal. Soon you will be able to tell the difference between really going downhill and experiencing a healing reaction. But if you know for sure you have capsules left over and you have not seen any healing in 2 years, then I would get those out for peace of mind. That is worth it alone. Best wishes to you! Patty sue_cat_az <sue_cat_az@...> wrote: Hello,I have written before, I only had my saline implants in 3 months but experienced muscle and chest wall pain immediately after surgery. Is it possible to develop a fungus that fast and have capsules form that quickly?I consulted with Dr. Kolb and am so confused. She did an MSH hormone test and a VCS vision test. I "failed" both. I then scheduled a surgery date and was put on VFEND an antifungal, Cipro and supplements. I became

very sick with intestinal issues a few weeks after. We stopped the meds, but I continue to have issues.I was told that the other dr.s recommended on this website who perform removal of the capsules do not necessarily believe they cause disease......is this true? What do I believe? My surgery is on hold, I cannot make a decision. I am so lost. What if its just scarring and adhesions and another surgery will make me worse? My chest wall is so tiny, I have been told the impact of the implants has forced everything up and the fascia is stuck together. What if its just trauma from the implants? It has been two years though since explant.Please tell me your experiences. I just dont know what to do. I am so stressed, is that my problem? I dont feel like going on, I am so weary and so incredibly distraught all the time.

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Thank you Lynda.

My implants were removed 2 years ago....yet I still have the same

pain after only having them for 3 months.

Gosh, my info is coming for so many different drs , massage

therapists, physical therapists, etc...2 years worth. Its a jungled

mess in my brain.

Can scar capsules contain silicone even if they were saline implants?

>

> >Hello,

> >I have written before, I only had my saline implants in 3 months

but

> >experienced muscle and chest wall pain immediately after surgery.

> >Is it possible to develop a fungus that fast and have capsules

form

> >that quickly?

> >I consulted with Dr. Kolb and am so confused. She did an MSH

> >hormone test and a VCS vision test. I " failed " both. I then

> >scheduled a surgery date and was put on VFEND an antifungal, Cipro

> >and supplements. I became very sick with intestinal issues a few

> >weeks after. We stopped the meds, but I continue to have issues.

> >I was told that the other dr.s recommended on this website who

> >perform removal of the capsules do not necessarily believe they

> >cause disease......is this true? What do I believe? My surgery is

> >on hold, I cannot make a decision. I am so lost. What if its just

> >scarring and adhesions and another surgery will make me worse? My

> >chest wall is so tiny, I have been told the impact of the implants

> >has forced everything up and the fascia is stuck together. What if

> >its just trauma from the implants? It has been two years though

> >since explant.

> >Please tell me your experiences. I just dont know what to do. I am

> >so stressed, is that my problem? I dont feel like going on, I am

so

> >weary and so incredibly distraught all the time.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> SueCat ~

Dede,

You are so sweet. I am so sorry. I disappear within myself and my

fears and don't reach out.

Did the facia eventually break up? Do you feel like your muscles

move freely now?

Thank you so much for your response, it has helped tremendously.

You are right, I have lost control of myself and emotions, all I do

is sit here and cry, worry second guess everything. You hear so

many different things, you start to not trust yourself anymore. I

know that is what has happened to me.

How are you doing? You are so positive , so strong.....I admire you.

Yes, it is. You could have also had fungal issues

> prior to implants, and getting implants stimulated

> it and made your body not be able to handle it any

> longer. Once you have any type implants, your body

> starts fighting it, or them. Leaving the rest of your

> body vulnerable. The capsules form because it is

> your bodies way of fighting the foreign body and

> trying to protect itself from that foreign body.

> Honey, I too had a problem with the facia sticking me

> together and had physical therapy for it for 3 years.

> 3 times a week, they broke it up. Made me sick

> every time, but that was toxins and things moving.

> What do you believe? You believe in yourself ! !

> first and foremost, and follow your gut, the first

> one, not the one that you have thought over and picked

> apart. Your body is telling you something. Listen

> to it. You must have scar caps in there gathering

> and making toxins that are keeping you ill. From the

> second you have an implant placed, the body fights

> it, and it starts breaking down, particles of silicone from

> the outter shell can fleck off and go into your lymph

> system as it flushes it out.

> Please, take charge of you back. This has a hold

> over you and has taken charge. You have to take charge

> back. Make a plan, and go for it. You will be

> so happy you did.

> Sue, I had wondered what happened to you. Please

> stay close to us, it will help you so much to have

> people walk the walk with you, that truly know

> what you are going thru and how you are feeling.

> I am glad you wrote again ! Sending you lots of love

> hugs, support, and hope ~ Dede

>

>

>

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Hi Patty,

Thank you for this incredible email.

My 2nd surgeon, the explant one said that my capsules were paper

thin and to try and remove them would cause damage to healthy

tissue. I had insisted she remove them prior to surgery though.

She didn't.

I feel like they are there with upper chest movements. Swimming,

trying to do any chest exercise work feels like I am bound

together. Surely, my gut is telling me something is wrong in there,

whether it be paper thin capsules or a scarred messed up chest wall

and muscles.

Dr. Kolb also told me I have levels of mercury, aresenic and

aluminum that are too high, along with the fungus.

Can all of this do bad things to your mind? My personality has

changed for the worse.

What dr. did your explant? Are you well now?

> Hello,

> I have written before, I only had my saline implants in 3 months

but

> experienced muscle and chest wall pain immediately after surgery.

> Is it possible to develop a fungus that fast and have capsules

form

> that quickly?

> I consulted with Dr. Kolb and am so confused. She did an MSH

> hormone test and a VCS vision test. I " failed " both. I then

> scheduled a surgery date and was put on VFEND an antifungal, Cipro

> and supplements. I became very sick with intestinal issues a few

> weeks after. We stopped the meds, but I continue to have issues.

> I was told that the other dr.s recommended on this website who

> perform removal of the capsules do not necessarily believe they

> cause disease......is this true? What do I believe? My surgery is

> on hold, I cannot make a decision. I am so lost. What if its just

> scarring and adhesions and another surgery will make me worse? My

> chest wall is so tiny, I have been told the impact of the implants

> has forced everything up and the fascia is stuck together. What if

> its just trauma from the implants? It has been two years though

> since explant.

> Please tell me your experiences. I just dont know what to do. I am

> so stressed, is that my problem? I dont feel like going on, I am

so

> weary and so incredibly distraught all the time.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi ,

YES terrified.....

Dr. Kolb told me I most likely had a fungal, biotoxin infection.

Most likely infected at the time of surgery.

She based this on my symptons and an MSH hormone test and VCS vision

test.

I know I keep telling myself to calm down, but my emotions are out

of control. How do I do this? I have tried therapists,

acupuncture, massage therapy, etc etc....

> >

> > Hello,

> > I have written before, I only had my saline implants in 3 months

> but

> > experienced muscle and chest wall pain immediately after

surgery.

> > Is it possible to develop a fungus that fast and have capsules

> form

> > that quickly?

> > I consulted with Dr. Kolb and am so confused. She did an MSH

> > hormone test and a VCS vision test. I " failed " both. I then

> > scheduled a surgery date and was put on VFEND an antifungal,

Cipro

> > and supplements. I became very sick with intestinal issues a

few

> > weeks after. We stopped the meds, but I continue to have issues.

> > I was told that the other dr.s recommended on this website who

> > perform removal of the capsules do not necessarily believe they

> > cause disease......is this true? What do I believe? My surgery

> is

> > on hold, I cannot make a decision. I am so lost. What if its

> just

> > scarring and adhesions and another surgery will make me worse?

My

> > chest wall is so tiny, I have been told the impact of the

implants

> > has forced everything up and the fascia is stuck together. What

> if

> > its just trauma from the implants? It has been two years though

> > since explant.

> > Please tell me your experiences. I just dont know what to do.

I

> am

> > so stressed, is that my problem? I dont feel like going on, I

am

> so

> > weary and so incredibly distraught all the time.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sue-

On fungals-- I have a problem with doctors who immediately assume a fungal issue and prescribe antifungal medication, which is very powerful and has side effects. There isn't any definitive proof you have a fungal overgrowth, is there? MSH and VCS doesn't necessarily point to fungus. There are women who did nothing but get worse while taking these anti-fungal meds. Gretchen can attest to this.

Have you had your hormones tested? If not, you can get a full hormone panel for $145. You might find something lurking in that area. I did. I am 2 years post explant and my adrenals are out of wack, but I'm improving on a pro-adrenal protocol.

I think Patty is right-- the best thing is to look at all the approaches and try and find the one that seems right for you. If you can afford to have your residual capsules removed, that may be the thing to do first. Can you get a post-op that tells whether they were removed completely?

What symptoms are you having?

Keep the faith, Sue, you'll get there!

Bindi

[Guest guest]

I know it is not easy, I had started with symptoms and had an idea

that they were from my implants because before getting them I was

never sick and then I had something similar to strep for months in a

row. I started researching and based on my symptoms, brought me to

this support site. I logged in and started reading stories before

understanding what was going on. I was giving myself panic attacks

and my stomach was so bad that I didn't eat for a week and a half.

Finally I started asking questions and the women on this site

immediately calmed me down once they started explaining everything.

In my head, if I did not get these out immediate I was going to die

that night! Yea i was a little irrational . The big problem was I

was uneducated about this whole mess. Once they explained what was

going on and what steps I had to take to fix it I was much calmer.

It is not easy because you are scared and these things are inside of

you but you need to just breathe and figure out what has to be done

to fix this. I can't help you with all the detoxing and information

that these other women can, they truly are amazing but I can help

you keep your wits about you because i do understand being terrified

and feeling complelty hopeless. Just remember you're not alone and

you can get better.

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > > I have written before, I only had my saline implants in 3

months

> > but

> > > experienced muscle and chest wall pain immediately after

> surgery.

> > > Is it possible to develop a fungus that fast and have capsules

> > form

> > > that quickly?

> > > I consulted with Dr. Kolb and am so confused. She did an MSH

> > > hormone test and a VCS vision test. I " failed " both. I then

> > > scheduled a surgery date and was put on VFEND an antifungal,

> Cipro

> > > and supplements. I became very sick with intestinal issues a

> few

> > > weeks after. We stopped the meds, but I continue to have

issues.

> > > I was told that the other dr.s recommended on this website who

> > > perform removal of the capsules do not necessarily believe

they

> > > cause disease......is this true? What do I believe? My

surgery

> > is

> > > on hold, I cannot make a decision. I am so lost. What if its

> > just

> > > scarring and adhesions and another surgery will make me

worse?

> My

> > > chest wall is so tiny, I have been told the impact of the

> implants

> > > has forced everything up and the fascia is stuck together.

What

> > if

> > > its just trauma from the implants? It has been two years

though

> > > since explant.

> > > Please tell me your experiences. I just dont know what to

do.

> I

> > am

> > > so stressed, is that my problem? I dont feel like going on, I

> am

> > so

> > > weary and so incredibly distraught all the time.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Sue,

Girl, I feel you about all of this stuff!!! I still

have my implants in, but when I read your email I felt

as if I had written it myself!! It is very confusing

when diff Drs tell you totally contradicting things. I

think Dede said it best when she said to try and

listen to your body. I am trying to do that and it

often leads me to guiding my Drs in the right

direction. Trust your instincts, trust yourself...

We are here for you!! You will get better!

Katy:)

--- sue_cat_az <sue_cat_az@...> wrote:

> Hello,

> I have written before, I only had my saline implants

> in 3 months but

> experienced muscle and chest wall pain immediately

> after surgery.

> Is it possible to develop a fungus that fast and

> have capsules form

> that quickly?

> I consulted with Dr. Kolb and am so confused. She

> did an MSH

> hormone test and a VCS vision test. I " failed "

> both. I then

> scheduled a surgery date and was put on VFEND an

> antifungal, Cipro

> and supplements. I became very sick with intestinal

> issues a few

> weeks after. We stopped the meds, but I continue to

> have issues.

> I was told that the other dr.s recommended on this

> website who

> perform removal of the capsules do not necessarily

> believe they

> cause disease......is this true? What do I believe?

> My surgery is

> on hold, I cannot make a decision. I am so lost.

> What if its just

> scarring and adhesions and another surgery will make

> me worse? My

> chest wall is so tiny, I have been told the impact

> of the implants

> has forced everything up and the fascia is stuck

> together. What if

> its just trauma from the implants? It has been two

> years though

> since explant.

> Please tell me your experiences. I just dont know

> what to do. I am

> so stressed, is that my problem? I dont feel like

> going on, I am so

> weary and so incredibly distraught all the time.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Sue, Welcome to . . . You've been led to the right place! . . . How did you find out about us? You're in good hands with Dr. Kolb! . . She will make very effort to remove all the offending tissues. . . She recently spent ten hours on one of our ladies! There is more to MSH and VCS testing than just fungus. . . there are a number of toxins that can be reflected by these tests. . . One of the most common is fungal issues . .. and a good place to start. . . Once fungal issues are under control, other problems will be easier to identify and address. I'd suggest reading "The Yeast Connection". You can expect to feel temporarily worse when you start trying address fungal issues because the die-off of fungus is toxic. . . You'll need time - plus water - plus good diet - right supplements - and rest to

clear them. If you feel unbearably ill, back off and slow down. . . You're unlikely to feel "well" as long as those capsules are there. . . But continuing to address fungal and hormonal issues can help. Diet is also very important . . . "The Maker's Diet" is outstanding at explaining why a really healthy diet is important for healing. Rubin has an online program for following the diet. One of our ladies, Lynn, is doing the online diet. She loves the foods. I know you're feeling overwhelmed right now. . . Taking a deep breath and allowing this stuff to sink in is a good idea! . . . Even though you're feeling very ill, you're likely to feel much better once you understand what's going on with your body . . . and know there is an end to this ordeal! I believe we all have God-given instincts to know what we need when we need it. . . It takes a bit of

faith to listen to this instinct . .. As you go through this, you'll soon learn that your instincts are right for you! BTW, we have another member named Sue . . . Do you have a nickname we can use for you? Hugs and prayers, Rogene

[Guest guest]

Patty,

I am so encouraged when I read about healing... I think I get

depressed and angry at times because I'm afraid that I will be sick

like this forever... even after explant. I know everyone is different

and I know some of my problems might not ever go away but there is at

least hope. Hope keeps us going.

I have read posts from others here that their health declined rapidly

in some cases. I feel like mine is spiraling down quickly. I have

more pain and I don't have the stamina I had even a month ago. This

is scary. I try to tell myself it might be in my head and to just

keep going.. but I have so much more pain and fatigue. I looked at a

photo of me yesterday that was taken about 2 years ago and I was

shocked at how much better I looked then...I didn't have a puffy

swollen look then. I don't think it all has to do with just aging.

Early Sunday, my husband and I will leave for Denver... my pre op is

on Monday. I'm getting very nervous but anxious also... knowing that

there is hope of recovery.

> > Hello,

> > I have written before, I only had my saline implants in 3 months

> but

> > experienced muscle and chest wall pain immediately after surgery.

> > Is it possible to develop a fungus that fast and have capsules

> form

> > that quickly?

> > I consulted with Dr. Kolb and am so confused. She did an MSH

> > hormone test and a VCS vision test. I " failed " both. I then

> > scheduled a surgery date and was put on VFEND an antifungal, Cipro

> > and supplements. I became very sick with intestinal issues a few

> > weeks after. We stopped the meds, but I continue to have issues.

> > I was told that the other dr.s recommended on this website who

> > perform removal of the capsules do not necessarily believe they

> > cause disease......is this true? What do I believe? My surgery is

> > on hold, I cannot make a decision. I am so lost. What if its just

> > scarring and adhesions and another surgery will make me worse? My

> > chest wall is so tiny, I have been told the impact of the implants

> > has forced everything up and the fascia is stuck together. What if

> > its just trauma from the implants? It has been two years though

> > since explant.

> > Please tell me your experiences. I just dont know what to do. I am

> > so stressed, is that my problem? I dont feel like going on, I am

> so

> > weary and so incredibly distraught all the time.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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YES........those are the exact feelings I have. It is just that I am

confused about the surgery. I live in AZ, does Dr. Hiatt believe

that implants cause disease?

Do you lose breast tissue when the capsule it taken out? I have

none even now.......

> > Hello,

> > I have written before, I only had my saline implants in 3 months

> but

> > experienced muscle and chest wall pain immediately after surgery.

> > Is it possible to develop a fungus that fast and have capsules

> form

> > that quickly?

> > I consulted with Dr. Kolb and am so confused. She did an MSH

> > hormone test and a VCS vision test. I " failed " both. I then

> > scheduled a surgery date and was put on VFEND an antifungal,

Cipro

> > and supplements. I became very sick with intestinal issues a few

> > weeks after. We stopped the meds, but I continue to have issues.

> > I was told that the other dr.s recommended on this website who

> > perform removal of the capsules do not necessarily believe they

> > cause disease......is this true? What do I believe? My surgery is

> > on hold, I cannot make a decision. I am so lost. What if its just

> > scarring and adhesions and another surgery will make me worse? My

> > chest wall is so tiny, I have been told the impact of the

implants

> > has forced everything up and the fascia is stuck together. What

if

> > its just trauma from the implants? It has been two years though

> > since explant.

> > Please tell me your experiences. I just dont know what to do. I

am

> > so stressed, is that my problem? I dont feel like going on, I am

> so

> > weary and so incredibly distraught all the time.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Patty,

I don't know how to do this. I have no belief in anything.......

I have tried and I just can't accept the horrible decision I made to

get implants.

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > > I have written before, I only had my saline implants in 3

months

> > but

> > > experienced muscle and chest wall pain immediately after

> surgery.

> > > Is it possible to develop a fungus that fast and have capsules

> > form

> > > that quickly?

> > > I consulted with Dr. Kolb and am so confused. She did an MSH

> > > hormone test and a VCS vision test. I " failed " both. I then

> > > scheduled a surgery date and was put on VFEND an antifungal,

> Cipro

> > > and supplements. I became very sick with intestinal issues a

> few

> > > weeks after. We stopped the meds, but I continue to have issues.

> > > I was told that the other dr.s recommended on this website who

> > > perform removal of the capsules do not necessarily believe they

> > > cause disease......is this true? What do I believe? My surgery

> > is

> > > on hold, I cannot make a decision. I am so lost. What if its

> > just

> > > scarring and adhesions and another surgery will make me worse?

> My

> > > chest wall is so tiny, I have been told the impact of the

> implants

> > > has forced everything up and the fascia is stuck together. What

> > if

> > > its just trauma from the implants? It has been two years though

> > > since explant.

> > > Please tell me your experiences. I just dont know what to do.

> I

> > am

> > > so stressed, is that my problem? I dont feel like going on, I

> am

> > so

> > > weary and so incredibly distraught all the time.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

story.

> Play Sims Stories at Games.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bindi,

Dr. Kolb immediately diagnosed me based on these tests and my

symptons. No, I have no other proof. I have been trying to find out

how I can know for sure, but it seems there is no way. Dr. Shoemaker

(chronicneurotoxins.com) has a whole panel of tests but I cannot get

any dr. here to run them and Dr. Kolb says they are not necessary. I

got very sick within a few weeks of taking the meds and supplements.

I don't know what to believe anymore, that is why I am so confused

about the surgery. What if I dont have fungus? Do I still need the

capsules out ....with only having implants in for 3 months?

My symptons are burning pain in my pectoral muscles, sometimes a

throbbing in my breasts, and just a horrible tightness adhesion

feeling in my whole chest wall when I try and move it with exercise.

No, I havent had my hormones tested. I bet though they are all over

the place.

Do I see another explant dr.? I was told that Dr. Feng does not

neccesarily believe implants cause these toxins.........yet is an

excellent surgeon for removing the capsules.

I just don't know what to do. Please help.

>

> Sue-

> On fungals-- I have a problem with doctors who immediately assume

a fungal issue and prescribe antifungal medication, which is very

powerful and has side effects. There isn't any definitive proof you

have a fungal overgrowth, is there? MSH and VCS doesn't necessarily

point to fungus. There are women who did nothing but get worse while

taking these anti-fungal meds. Gretchen can attest to this.

>

> Have you had your hormones tested? If not, you can get a full

hormone panel for $145. You might find something lurking in that

area. I did. I am 2 years post explant and my adrenals are out of

wack, but I'm improving on a pro-adrenal protocol.

>

> I think Patty is right-- the best thing is to look at all the

approaches and try and find the one that seems right for you. If you

can afford to have your residual capsules removed, that may be the

thing to do first. Can you get a post-op that tells whether they were

removed completely?

>

> What symptoms are you having?

>

> Keep the faith, Sue, you'll get there!

>

> Bindi

>

[Guest guest]

,

Yes, the panic is horrible. How long did you have your implants

in? You got sick right away after implants were put in?

> > > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > > I have written before, I only had my saline implants in 3

> months

> > > but

> > > > experienced muscle and chest wall pain immediately after

> > surgery.

> > > > Is it possible to develop a fungus that fast and have

capsules

> > > form

> > > > that quickly?

> > > > I consulted with Dr. Kolb and am so confused. She did an MSH

> > > > hormone test and a VCS vision test. I " failed " both. I then

> > > > scheduled a surgery date and was put on VFEND an antifungal,

> > Cipro

> > > > and supplements. I became very sick with intestinal issues a

> > few

> > > > weeks after. We stopped the meds, but I continue to have

> issues.

> > > > I was told that the other dr.s recommended on this website

who

> > > > perform removal of the capsules do not necessarily believe

> they

> > > > cause disease......is this true? What do I believe? My

> surgery

> > > is

> > > > on hold, I cannot make a decision. I am so lost. What if

its

> > > just

> > > > scarring and adhesions and another surgery will make me

> worse?

> > My

> > > > chest wall is so tiny, I have been told the impact of the

> > implants

> > > > has forced everything up and the fascia is stuck together.

> What

> > > if

> > > > its just trauma from the implants? It has been two years

> though

> > > > since explant.

> > > > Please tell me your experiences. I just dont know what to

> do.

> > I

> > > am

> > > > so stressed, is that my problem? I dont feel like going on,

I

> > am

> > > so

> > > > weary and so incredibly distraught all the time.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

I'll throw in my two cents..

Although it would be great to have a surgeon who believed the implants

were making me sick, I don't consider it the highest priority. I want

someone who is good at doing the surgery and will remove anything that

might threaten my good health in the future. I have gone to Dr. Kolbs

site and begun some of her detox routines. I have also gotten some

great detox advice (as well as other advice) from the women on this

site. I believe I will have a great surgeon (Dr Huang, Denver on

Tuesday!!) who will successfully remove my implants and then I can

rely on other help to get me back on the road to good health.

> >

> > Sue-

> > On fungals-- I have a problem with doctors who immediately assume

> a fungal issue and prescribe antifungal medication, which is very

> powerful and has side effects. There isn't any definitive proof you

> have a fungal overgrowth, is there? MSH and VCS doesn't necessarily

> point to fungus. There are women who did nothing but get worse while

> taking these anti-fungal meds. Gretchen can attest to this.

> >

> > Have you had your hormones tested? If not, you can get a full

> hormone panel for $145. You might find something lurking in that

> area. I did. I am 2 years post explant and my adrenals are out of

> wack, but I'm improving on a pro-adrenal protocol.

> >

> > I think Patty is right-- the best thing is to look at all the

> approaches and try and find the one that seems right for you. If you

> can afford to have your residual capsules removed, that may be the

> thing to do first. Can you get a post-op that tells whether they were

> removed completely?

> >

> > What symptoms are you having?

> >

> > Keep the faith, Sue, you'll get there!

> >

> > Bindi

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you.

Does Dr. Huang believe they are making you sick? How long have you

had them in? Did you consult with anyone else besides her?

> > >

> > > Sue-

> > > On fungals-- I have a problem with doctors who immediately

assume

> > a fungal issue and prescribe antifungal medication, which is very

> > powerful and has side effects. There isn't any definitive proof

you

> > have a fungal overgrowth, is there? MSH and VCS doesn't

necessarily

> > point to fungus. There are women who did nothing but get worse

while

> > taking these anti-fungal meds. Gretchen can attest to this.

> > >

> > > Have you had your hormones tested? If not, you can get a full

> > hormone panel for $145. You might find something lurking in that

> > area. I did. I am 2 years post explant and my adrenals are out of

> > wack, but I'm improving on a pro-adrenal protocol.

> > >

> > > I think Patty is right-- the best thing is to look at all the

> > approaches and try and find the one that seems right for you. If

you

> > can afford to have your residual capsules removed, that may be

the

> > thing to do first. Can you get a post-op that tells whether they

were

> > removed completely?

> > >

> > > What symptoms are you having?

> > >

> > > Keep the faith, Sue, you'll get there!

> > >

> > > Bindi

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > > I have written before, I only had my saline implants in 3

> months

> > > but

> > > > experienced muscle and chest wall pain immediately after

> > surgery.

> > > > Is it possible to develop a fungus that fast and have capsules

> > > form

> > > > that quickly?

> > > > I consulted with Dr. Kolb and am so confused. She did an MSH

> > > > hormone test and a VCS vision test. I " failed " both. I then

> > > > scheduled a surgery date and was put on VFEND an antifungal,

> > Cipro

> > > > and supplements. I became very sick with intestinal issues a

> > few

> > > > weeks after. We stopped the meds, but I continue to have issues.

> > > > I was told that the other dr.s recommended on this website who

> > > > perform removal of the capsules do not necessarily believe they

> > > > cause disease......is this true? What do I believe? My surgery

> > > is

> > > > on hold, I cannot make a decision. I am so lost. What if its

> > > just

> > > > scarring and adhesions and another surgery will make me worse?

> > My

> > > > chest wall is so tiny, I have been told the impact of the

> > implants

> > > > has forced everything up and the fascia is stuck together. What

> > > if

> > > > its just trauma from the implants? It has been two years though

> > > > since explant.

> > > > Please tell me your experiences. I just dont know what to do.

> > I

> > > am

> > > > so stressed, is that my problem? I dont feel like going on, I

> > am

> > > so

> > > > weary and so incredibly distraught all the time.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

> story.

> > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello,

> > > > > I have written before, I only had my saline implants in 3

> > months

> > > > but

> > > > > experienced muscle and chest wall pain immediately after

> > > surgery.

> > > > > Is it possible to develop a fungus that fast and have capsules

> > > > form

> > > > > that quickly?

> > > > > I consulted with Dr. Kolb and am so confused. She did an MSH

> > > > > hormone test and a VCS vision test. I " failed " both. I then

> > > > > scheduled a surgery date and was put on VFEND an antifungal,

> > > Cipro

> > > > > and supplements. I became very sick with intestinal issues a

> > > few

> > > > > weeks after. We stopped the meds, but I continue to have

issues.

> > > > > I was told that the other dr.s recommended on this website who

> > > > > perform removal of the capsules do not necessarily believe

they

> > > > > cause disease......is this true? What do I believe? My surgery

> > > > is

> > > > > on hold, I cannot make a decision. I am so lost. What if its

> > > > just

> > > > > scarring and adhesions and another surgery will make me worse?

> > > My

> > > > > chest wall is so tiny, I have been told the impact of the

> > > implants

> > > > > has forced everything up and the fascia is stuck together.

What

> > > > if

> > > > > its just trauma from the implants? It has been two years

though

> > > > > since explant.

> > > > > Please tell me your experiences. I just dont know what to do.

> > > I

> > > > am

> > > > > so stressed, is that my problem? I dont feel like going on, I

> > > am

> > > > so

> > > > > weary and so incredibly distraught all the time.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

> > story.

> > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

Believe me, I know what you're going through. I have moments where I

don't think I can endure another second but something (God) pulls me

through. I grew up without any formal religious teaching and

questioned God until at 18 when He spoke to me in a dream saying

nothing but " I'm here. "

From then on I felt his presence and knew that everything in life -

the people you meet, the experiences you encounter, are all designed

by God. He gives you EVERYTHING you need, including powerful lessons

that need to be learned.

This whole situation has turned my life upside down but as my

chiropractor says to all with illness, " Do you want to be bitter or

better? " I am going to be better with a capital B!!!

Like you, Dr. Kolb informed me I had a low MSH (8). I wanted to die

thinking it was the end for me. While I still have some symptoms, I

am not as bad as I was back then. In just 5 short months, my blood

levels have returned to normal. I have improved to where I am running

errands, taking care of my children. With continued nutrition and

detoxification who knows where I will be in 5 more months or 5 more

years.

My point is none of us truly know. But we never even knew where we'd

be before we were sick...we thought we did but we didn't. This whole

challenge teaches us to be PRESENT in the moment...and that is a

present from God.

Keep remembering that the body has it's built-in self-healing system

and will take care of much on it's own. You, however, will need to be

good to it and nurture it because YOU, Sue, deserve good health and

love for yourself. Treat your body and soul as a Temple of the Holy

Spirit.

Like Patty said, this is a time for a journey inward, a time to

re-evaluate what's going on in your life and the things that

contribute to illness. It's a time for self-reflection. Everyone has

struggles in life, just manifested in a different way. This

experience will lend you valuable information about how you truly want

to live. I know it's hard to see now, but it is truly a gift from

God. He loves you and wants you healed.

I know it's hard...others on the forum can attest to the times I'm

desperate and think I can't go on, but YOU can!!! I CAN!! WE ALL

CAN!!! It is perhaps the biggest challenge all of us will ever

encounter but Patty and Rogene and others are a testament that you can

recover.

It won't happen overnight, but in the end I know I will be stronger

and healthier in mind, body and spirit than I was six years ago at

implant. You can set what ever goals you want for yourself and make

life beautiful because you are worthy!!!

I want to give you hope because I can honestly say I am improving. I

admit it's slower than I would like but the gift in this is that for

the first time in life I'm learning patience, forgiveness, endurance,

self-acceptance, faith, unconditional love and the things and people

that truly matter in my life.

Think of all the people who have recovered from illness. There are

millions and millions out there. Read stories about those who have

recovered and you will find inspiration when feeling down.

Sue, you CAN do this and all of us on this forum are here to support

you!!! - PH

> > > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > > I have written before, I only had my saline implants in 3

> months

> > > but

> > > > experienced muscle and chest wall pain immediately after

> > surgery.

> > > > Is it possible to develop a fungus that fast and have capsules

> > > form

> > > > that quickly?

> > > > I consulted with Dr. Kolb and am so confused. She did an MSH

> > > > hormone test and a VCS vision test. I " failed " both. I then

> > > > scheduled a surgery date and was put on VFEND an antifungal,

> > Cipro

> > > > and supplements. I became very sick with intestinal issues a

> > few

> > > > weeks after. We stopped the meds, but I continue to have issues.

> > > > I was told that the other dr.s recommended on this website who

> > > > perform removal of the capsules do not necessarily believe they

> > > > cause disease......is this true? What do I believe? My surgery

> > > is

> > > > on hold, I cannot make a decision. I am so lost. What if its

> > > just

> > > > scarring and adhesions and another surgery will make me worse?

> > My

> > > > chest wall is so tiny, I have been told the impact of the

> > implants

> > > > has forced everything up and the fascia is stuck together. What

> > > if

> > > > its just trauma from the implants? It has been two years though

> > > > since explant.

> > > > Please tell me your experiences. I just dont know what to do.

> > I

> > > am

> > > > so stressed, is that my problem? I dont feel like going on, I

> > am

> > > so

> > > > weary and so incredibly distraught all the time.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

> story.

> > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Sue-

> > On fungals-- I have a problem with doctors who immediately assume

> a fungal issue and prescribe antifungal medication, which is very

> powerful and has side effects. There isn't any definitive proof you

> have a fungal overgrowth, is there? MSH and VCS doesn't necessarily

> point to fungus. There are women who did nothing but get worse while

> taking these anti-fungal meds. Gretchen can attest to this.

> >

> > Have you had your hormones tested? If not, you can get a full

> hormone panel for $145. You might find something lurking in that

> area. I did. I am 2 years post explant and my adrenals are out of

> wack, but I'm improving on a pro-adrenal protocol.

> >

> > I think Patty is right-- the best thing is to look at all the

> approaches and try and find the one that seems right for you. If you

> can afford to have your residual capsules removed, that may be the

> thing to do first. Can you get a post-op that tells whether they were

> removed completely?

> >

> > What symptoms are you having?

> >

> > Keep the faith, Sue, you'll get there!

> >

> > Bindi

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry about all the posts w/o test...my laptop is on the fritz and I'm

using my old unreliable one....

Hi Sue,

I wondered the exact same thing regarding the fungus. I questioned it

because I didn't have proof and definitely didn't want to believe it

anyway. I was on Sporonox for two weeks but went off it due to the

horrendous side effects.

In the meantime, I've read about fungus, yeast, gut dybiosis, etc and

based on what I've read, my symptoms go along with that, so I am

taking Dr. Kolb's word that she was indeed correct.

I have since had a live cell blood analysis which shows yeast around

my blood cells.

Other testing you can do can be found in the Files or Links section.

Also, the Great Plains Lab does microbial pathogen testing.

http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/testkits.html

Bindi and Patty are right too in getting hormones tested. I've done

some preliminary testing but need to do more to figure out all that is

going on. Good luck. - PH

> >

> > Sue-

> > On fungals-- I have a problem with doctors who immediately assume

> a fungal issue and prescribe antifungal medication, which is very

> powerful and has side effects. There isn't any definitive proof you

> have a fungal overgrowth, is there? MSH and VCS doesn't necessarily

> point to fungus. There are women who did nothing but get worse while

> taking these anti-fungal meds. Gretchen can attest to this.

> >

> > Have you had your hormones tested? If not, you can get a full

> hormone panel for $145. You might find something lurking in that

> area. I did. I am 2 years post explant and my adrenals are out of

> wack, but I'm improving on a pro-adrenal protocol.

> >

> > I think Patty is right-- the best thing is to look at all the

> approaches and try and find the one that seems right for you. If you

> can afford to have your residual capsules removed, that may be the

> thing to do first. Can you get a post-op that tells whether they were

> removed completely?

> >

> > What symptoms are you having?

> >

> > Keep the faith, Sue, you'll get there!

> >

> > Bindi

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty,

That is the second time i have heard you tell that story and your

whole situtation and how that all worked out still amazes me!

> > > Hello,

> > > I have written before, I only had my saline implants in 3

months

> > but

> > > experienced muscle and chest wall pain immediately after

surgery.

> > > Is it possible to develop a fungus that fast and have capsules

> > form

> > > that quickly?

> > > I consulted with Dr. Kolb and am so confused. She did an MSH

> > > hormone test and a VCS vision test. I " failed " both. I then

> > > scheduled a surgery date and was put on VFEND an antifungal,

> Cipro

> > > and supplements. I became very sick with intestinal issues a

few

> > > weeks after. We stopped the meds, but I continue to have

issues.

> > > I was told that the other dr.s recommended on this website who

> > > perform removal of the capsules do not necessarily believe

they

> > > cause disease......is this true? What do I believe? My surgery

is

> > > on hold, I cannot make a decision. I am so lost. What if its

just

> > > scarring and adhesions and another surgery will make me worse?

My

> > > chest wall is so tiny, I have been told the impact of the

> implants

> > > has forced everything up and the fascia is stuck together.

What

> if

> > > its just trauma from the implants? It has been two years

though

> > > since explant.

> > > Please tell me your experiences. I just dont know what to do.

I

> am

> > > so stressed, is that my problem? I dont feel like going on, I

am

> > so

> > > weary and so incredibly distraught all the time.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Sue,

What other symptoms are you having now besides pain(aside from the reactions from the anti-fungal drugs)? Have you noticed any improvement in your health in the last two years since explant?

If the only symptoms you've been having are pain, I would think that your tissues and muscles were traumatized and not put back together properly at explant, and you need to have a revision surgery by a skilled surgeon, who would also remove your retained capsules, if any.

Have you spoken with or contacted by email any other recommended doctors? It might be worth the time and trouble to try and get second or third opinions. I personally am very skeptical of the fungal diagnosis, but that's just my opinion. The fact is, we still don't know what it is that causes implant illness. Not all of the recommended surgeons believe in the fungal theory. I would be very careful before taking such heavy-duty meds.

The hormone panel saliva tests I took can be obtained through Canary Club. Patty took these tests and so did others here. It would certainly help to know if there any hormone issues going on-- without addressing those it will be very hard to heal.

Don't give up, Sue, you WILL get better. Some of us take longer than others, but there is still hope.

Bindi

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

I'm not sure that she believes that they are making me sick. She does

have a link to Siliconesurvivors.net on her home page and so I think

she is certainly aware of the issues. However she still does implant

surgery so I would guess she would say she believes in freedom of

choice...??

I have had silicone implants in for 20 years... since 1987. I believe

they were probably leaking for the past several years and I'm guessing

at least one was ruptured last year during a mammogram. I know

something was wrong as soon as I had it done.

I researched many docs before deciding on her. I read a lot of

information at other sites like this one and then researched all the

doctors I thought would be the best. I liked Dr. Feng in Ohio but I

had read a few negatives about her so I kept looking. I considered Dr

Melmed in Texas but read a few drawbacks to his method of lifts and

decided if I needed one I might be happier with someone else. Dr.

Huang has wonderful experience, credentials and was highly recommended

for the kind of removal and fat transfer I was interested in. I also

moved from Denver 3 years ago.. and feel comfortable going back there.

I was going to consult with a PS here in Vegas that a friend

recommended but decided not to after some unusual comments he made

about breast surgeries... In the end, I made the decision to go to Dr

Huang because my heart and intuition... whatever... told me that she

was the one.

I know you will find someone great.

> > > >

> > > > Sue-

> > > > On fungals-- I have a problem with doctors who immediately

> assume

> > > a fungal issue and prescribe antifungal medication, which is very

> > > powerful and has side effects. There isn't any definitive proof

> you

> > > have a fungal overgrowth, is there? MSH and VCS doesn't

> necessarily

> > > point to fungus. There are women who did nothing but get worse

> while

> > > taking these anti-fungal meds. Gretchen can attest to this.

> > > >

> > > > Have you had your hormones tested? If not, you can get a full

> > > hormone panel for $145. You might find something lurking in that

> > > area. I did. I am 2 years post explant and my adrenals are out of

> > > wack, but I'm improving on a pro-adrenal protocol.

> > > >

> > > > I think Patty is right-- the best thing is to look at all the

> > > approaches and try and find the one that seems right for you. If

> you

> > > can afford to have your residual capsules removed, that may be

> the

> > > thing to do first. Can you get a post-op that tells whether they

> were

> > > removed completely?

> > > >

> > > > What symptoms are you having?

> > > >

> > > > Keep the faith, Sue, you'll get there!

> > > >

> > > > Bindi

> > > >

> > >

> >

>