Re: Sue: High DHEA, lower ranges of cortisol

[Guest guest]

Patty ~

You provide so much for us all, I just want to thank you again for all your research and help !

love DedeSee what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

,

The good news about adrenal fatigue is that with the right support,

your adrenals can RECOVER!!! That is the best news I think we can

hear.

I don't think you have to worry specifically about being in the

later stages....just know that your test results may indicate that

your adrenals are really in need of help. These lab techs and

medical professionals tend to poo-poo and downplay symptoms until

it's too late, and then they've really got something to deal with

when the illness has progressed needlessly. My approach is to

address the problem as soon as possible. They said don't worry

about your test results, they are normal, just avoid stress. Right.

But another interpretation says that your higher DHEA levels

indicates that your adrenals are not responding well anymore--they

are worn out. YOu do have cortisol being produced, but it is at the

lower level.

To put it in perspective, remember how we interpret thyroid

results? What is normal for one person may not be normal for

another. Additionally, if your TSH is normally around 1.0 or less,

and you have a test result around 4.0, FOR YOU this would be

alarmingly abnormal! But the doctor would look at it and

say, " You're normal, go home! " He'd be doing you a great disservice.

So, perhaps similarly, this low cortisol reading for you is

inidicative of lowered adrenal cortisol production, even though it

is in the normal ranges. You pretty much need to go by symptoms.

If it were normal for you, you would not have symptoms of adrenal

fatigue! If you do have the symptoms of adrenal fatigue, I believe

it would be better to interpret the tests as meaning that for YOU,

this shows at the lower end of cortisol production, and that your

HIGH DHEA indicates what the Stage 5 says...that your adrenals have

given up and at this point are not responding well, and not drawing

upon your DHEA as before, allowing it to rise. Remember that DHEA

normally declines with age. Yours is the opposite.

Bottom line is that you will do well to support the adrenals as if

you are in Stage 5, rather than to ignore it and risk getting worse.

There is so much you can do at home to support your adrenals. You

do not have to have a doctors help, unless you want to get on

Hydrocortisone. You can use Isocort, or the cream though (in small

amounts.) But it's better to start with nutritional support first.

Sue, did you keep the adrenal recovery protocol information handy?

Patty

>

> Patty,

>

>

>

> What happens in the later stages of adrenal fatigue, am I on my

way out?

>

>

>

> Sue

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

[mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of Tricia Trish

> Sent: 27 June 2007 03:17

>

> Subject: Sue: High DHEA, lower ranges of cortisol

>

>

>

> Sue,

>

> When I asked on an adrenal group about your test results, the

reply that I

> got back was to look at this stage of adrenal fatigue:

>

>

>

> http://www.chronicf <http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%205.html>

> atigue.org/ASI%205.html

>

>

>

> The Cortisol levels continue to drop even though we find that the

DHEA

> levels rise. This seeming paradox occurs because the body is no

longer

> attempting to adapt and so there is little drain on the DHEA and

so these

> levels rise temporarily. These patients are able to do little.

Many are bed

> ridden due to the extreme weakness they may experience.

>

>

>

> Sue, even though the cortisol levels are in the " normal range " ,

they are

> still on the low side. This, coupled with the higher DHEA level

would

> suggest that you are in the later stages of adrenal fatigue,

ESPECIALLY

> since DHEA levels normally decline as we get older.

>

> Patty

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection.

> Try the free Beta.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty,

Sorry that last post was really negative I

didn’t mean it to be.

I have spoken to my husband about it and

he has said “right ! lets get going on this, at least you know what is

wrong so we will work on it”

Sue, did you keep the adrenal recovery protocol

information handy? ……Yes I do have this I WILL

LOOK IT UP AND WORK ON IT.

In some ways this is going to be interesting….if I improve it

will help the other women in the group, I can be a kind of test case, believe

me I have felt sooo ill that I am looking forward to improving.

Love Sue

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of glory2glory1401

Sent: 27 June 2007 15:49

Subject: Re: Sue:

High DHEA, lower ranges of cortisol

,

The good news about adrenal fatigue is that with the right support,

your adrenals can RECOVER!!! That is the best news I think we can

hear.

I don't think you have to worry specifically about being in the

later stages....just know that your test results may indicate that

your adrenals are really in need of help. These lab techs and

medical professionals tend to poo-poo and downplay symptoms until

it's too late, and then they've really got something to deal with

when the illness has progressed needlessly. My approach is to

address the problem as soon as possible. They said don't worry

about your test results, they are normal, just avoid stress. Right.

But another interpretation says that your higher DHEA levels

indicates that your adrenals are not responding well anymore--they

are worn out. YOu do have cortisol being produced, but it is at the

lower level.

To put it in perspective, remember how we interpret thyroid

results? What is normal for one person may not be normal for

another. Additionally, if your TSH is normally around 1.0 or less,

and you have a test result around 4.0, FOR YOU this would be

alarmingly abnormal! But the doctor would look at it and

say, " You're normal, go home! " He'd be doing you a great disservice.

So, perhaps similarly, this low cortisol reading for you is

inidicative of lowered adrenal cortisol production, even though it

is in the normal ranges. You pretty much need to go by symptoms.

If it were normal for you, you would not have symptoms of adrenal

fatigue! If you do have the symptoms of adrenal fatigue, I believe

it would be better to interpret the tests as meaning that for YOU,

this shows at the lower end of cortisol production, and that your

HIGH DHEA indicates what the Stage 5 says...that your adrenals have

given up and at this point are not responding well, and not drawing

upon your DHEA as before, allowing it to rise. Remember that DHEA

normally declines with age. Yours is the opposite.

Bottom line is that you will do well to support the adrenals as if

you are in Stage 5, rather than to ignore it and risk getting worse.

There is so much you can do at home to support your adrenals. You

do not have to have a doctors help, unless you want to get on

Hydrocortisone. You can use Isocort, or the cream though (in small

amounts.) But it's better to start with nutritional support first.

Sue, did you keep the adrenal recovery protocol information handy?

Patty

>

> Patty,

>

>

>

> What happens in the later stages of adrenal fatigue, am I on my

way out?

>

>

>

> Sue

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

[mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of Tricia Trish

> Sent: 27 June 2007 03:17

>

> Subject: Sue: High DHEA, lower ranges of cortisol

>

>

>

> Sue,

>

> When I asked on an adrenal group about your test results, the

reply that I

> got back was to look at this stage of adrenal fatigue:

>

>

>

> http://www.chronicf <http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%205.html>

> atigue.org/ASI%205.html

>

>

>

> The Cortisol levels continue to drop even though we find that the

DHEA

> levels rise. This seeming paradox occurs because the body is no

longer

> attempting to adapt and so there is little drain on the DHEA and

so these

> levels rise temporarily. These patients are able to do little.

Many are bed

> ridden due to the extreme weakness they may experience.

>

>

>

> Sue, even though the cortisol levels are in the " normal range " ,

they are

> still on the low side. This, coupled with the higher DHEA level

would

> suggest that you are in the later stages of adrenal fatigue,

ESPECIALLY

> since DHEA levels normally decline as we get older.

>

> Patty

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection.

> Try the free Beta.

>

[Guest guest]

Sue ~

You need to investigate the black spot further. Did they ck you for macular degeneration? or dilate your eyes? Did they do a Visual field test on you? you need that done. More than likely the black spot you see is actually, a spot you dont see. I dont mean to scare you or anything, but you need to know why you have that. Did they measure the pressure of your eye to be sure it wasnt from ocular pressure? That needs to be done. This is something I need to go have done. My eyes are very bad, and I havent been since I have had all these hospital visits. I just need to do it when I have a ride. We are waiting to see when my father has his next appointment, to check for blood clots in his legs... I have to have that same test. He has had them before, and his leg is bothering him.

Anyway, you are going to get all this in control ! ! you are gonna heal finally, now that you have some idea where to work.

Bless you ! DedeSee what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

Sue,

I know you didn't mean your post to be negative...I was alarmed, but

I needed to just give you hope! We all need hope! You're going to

get better Sue, you have to believe that! I am really excited to see

how you do with proper attention to your adrenal issues.

Are you still going to contact Dr. Myhill?

Keep me posted on what you are doing for adrenal recovery.

Definitely add in all the supplements. Reduce stress. Get some

massages, do some yoga, reflective meditation, guided imagery, most

defnitely prayer, and eat regular meals with protein.

And most of all, stay positive about recovery. Just take it a step

at a time, going forward. You know the drill! You'll get there!

Hugs,

Patty

> >

> > Patty,

> >

> >

> >

> > What happens in the later stages of adrenal fatigue, am I on my

> way out?

> >

> >

> >

> > Sue

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: @ <mailto: %40>

>

> [mailto: @ <mailto: %40>

> ]

> > On Behalf Of Tricia Trish

> > Sent: 27 June 2007 03:17

> > @ <mailto:%40>

>

> > Subject: Sue: High DHEA, lower ranges of cortisol

> >

> >

> >

> > Sue,

> >

> > When I asked on an adrenal group about your test results, the

> reply that I

> > got back was to look at this stage of adrenal fatigue:

> >

> >

> >

> > http://www.chronicf <http://www.chronicf

> <http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%205.html> atigue.org/ASI%

205.html>

> > atigue.org/ASI%205.html

> >

> >

> >

> > The Cortisol levels continue to drop even though we find that

the

> DHEA

> > levels rise. This seeming paradox occurs because the body is no

> longer

> > attempting to adapt and so there is little drain on the DHEA and

> so these

> > levels rise temporarily. These patients are able to do little.

> Many are bed

> > ridden due to the extreme weakness they may experience.

> >

> >

> >

> > Sue, even though the cortisol levels are in the " normal range " ,

> they are

> > still on the low side. This, coupled with the higher DHEA level

> would

> > suggest that you are in the later stages of adrenal fatigue,

> ESPECIALLY

> > since DHEA levels normally decline as we get older.

> >

> > Patty

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection.

> > Try the free Beta.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dede,

You've provided much information and research for us too Dede, Thank

you!

My hope for us all is to get better and get that energy for life back

again! We can do it!

I am so excited to see women become empowered through our collective

efforts to get better. I am crazy about all of you guys--I think

you're awesome! What we have all accomplished together is amazing!

Love,

Patty

>

> Patty ~

> You provide so much for us all, I just want to thank you again for

all your

> research and help !

> love Dede

[Guest guest]

Sue, I know you will get your health back when you make the commitment to do so! . . . I suspect you've been feeling that YOU are not important . . . and that has gotten in the way of you taking care of your own needs. If so, that's WRONG! . . . You have a loving family who is very concerned about you. . . You must do everything you can for their sake as well as you own. It won't be easy . . . but I know your hubby will be right there with you and see to it you get through. Love, Rogene

[Guest guest]

LOL Sue, You're still walking and talking . . . You're far from being on your way out! We'll be here cheering you on! Love, Rogene

[Guest guest]

Sorry Rogene that was a negative post I

sent earlier, I think it was just the shock of the test.

The one good thing that has come out of

this is, for once I have had a test that has shown a problem.

I am going to get better and do what I

have to………….I am going to be a test case for this

group, hopefully then Lea, Dede, and all the other wonderful women in this

group will be able to see that I am better and they will get there too.

I am far from bed ridden like I should be

in stage 5 or whatever, so I am going to take this and turn it into a positive,

is right behind me on this one.

I don’t think I will email Dr

Myhill, what’s the point.in re testing. I know I have this problem so I

will just deal with it.

I may just take the results to my own Dr ….can

you imagine her face----she won’t have a clue, but I will have a laugh at

her expense.

I had my eyes tested again today and my prescription

has gone up by two in just 6 months.

The optician didn’t have a clue when

I told her about the black spot I see when I look in the mirror (only the left

eye) or try to put on mascara…oh well I don’t have the time to

explain it all to another disbeliever, I just got my new glasses and left, its

great to be able to see again (properly).

Thanks Rogene for everything.

Love Sue.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Rogene

Sent: 27 June 2007 19:09

Subject: RE: Sue:

High DHEA, lower ranges of cortisol

LOL Sue,

You're still walking and talking . . .

You're far from being on your way out!

We'll be here cheering you on!

Love,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Sue ~

I bet they want to dialate them to be sure everything inside is ok. I can no longer have mine dialated cuz of my heart. I have eye disease too and they always have dialated to ck on it. Oh, well, it hasnt progressed last time it was checked, so, God is taking care of that one for me...LOL

Love ~ DedeSee what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

Sue, I didn't think your test was negative at all! I'm thrilled that you're going to start getting better! . . . You've been too sick too long! Is there any chance you can get those capsules out? Love, Rogene

[Guest guest]

Hi Dede,

I had the air test where they puff air

into the eye to measure the pressure and a visual field test.

She wants me to go back next week to have

the drops in the eye, I couldn’t do it this time as I drove myself down

there.

I am not too happy about having the drops

anyway as I react to everything…if I am honest I am scared.

Thinking about things its not a black spot

more of a blind spot…I think, its hard to explain.

Dede thanks for all your help on things.

Love Sue

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of DGRAHAMA@...

Sent: 27 June 2007 20:19

Subject: Re: Sue:

High DHEA, lower ranges of cortisol

Sue ~

You need to

investigate the black spot further. Did they ck you for macular

degeneration? or dilate your eyes? Did they do a Visual field

test on you? you need that done. More than likely the black

spot you see is actually, a spot you dont see. I dont mean

to scare you or anything, but you need to know why you have that. Did

they measure the pressure of your eye to be sure it wasnt from ocular

pressure? That needs to be done. This is something I need to go

have done. My eyes are very bad, and I havent been since I have had all

these hospital visits. I just need to do it when I have a ride. We

are waiting to see when my father has his next appointment, to check for blood

clots in his legs... I have to have that same test. He has had them

before, and his leg is bothering him.

Anyway, you are going

to get all this in control ! ! you are gonna heal finally, now that you

have some idea where to work.

Bless you ! Dede

See what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

Sue, I've just gotten to know you. You can't leave us yet! My prayers are with you. With Love, Rogene <saxony01@...> wrote: LOL Sue, You're still walking and talking . . . You're far from being on your way out! We'll be here cheering you on! Love, Rogene

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