Re: Borderline Cholesterol

[Guest guest]

198 and worried?!? I'd be elated!! My counts have always hovered in

the 220 range (even when I was a 'skinny 120#) and I only started

getting concerned enough to consider medication when it got into the

290 range. I'd say you are right on with how your eating is good for

you and not to sweat the (overly?) 'helpful' advice of your benevolent

doctor and 'his' diet ideas. If he gets 'pushy' about it, offer to let

him read your IE book after all, its written by two dietitians ;-)

And test results can be 'wrong' too. I had one lab result that showed

some very ODD figures. I took it back to the lab and asked the head

person there to explain the numbers and guess what - one was WAY off.

It never hurts to question things if they don't seem right to you.

Best to you - Katcha

>

> Yesterday I got lab results back from a blood test I'd had the week

> before, and I was surprised to see that my cholesterol is 198. My

> diet is pretty healthy, and I exercise 6 days a week. My doctor wants

> me to come in and talk about my lab results. The appointment last

> week was my first with him, and he is an advocate of the Paleolithic

> diet. Have you heard of it? It's basically based on the way people

> eat in Crete, which is high in fish and Omega 3's, very low in grains,

> etc.

> So, I'm telling myself that part of IE is taking care of your body,

> and giving it what it needs, but there have been so many conflicting

> reports about what causes and helps high cholesterol. So, I think

> I'll stick with IE, keep an eye on the numbers, and eat sensibly.

>

[Guest guest]

I have degrees in Anthropology and Archaeology, so I just thought I would throw out my 2 cents on the Paleolithic diet. It is based on a misconception that people living in the Paleolithic time period subsisted mainly on proteins of the animal variety. Much of this misconception is based on the fact that plant leftovers do not remain in the archaeological record (the ground) because they decompose quickly. Bones on the other hand do not decompose as quickly. Archaeologists find lots of bone on sites, but until recently, plant remains have been very difficult to recover or identify. People assume that if plant remains aren't found, people weren't eating so many plants. Wrong! This idea is also slightly misogynistic as it promotes the ideal of "man as hunter and provider" with little mention of women's role in food production. The fact is, most cultures in the past, and present, subsist mainly on grains and vegetables and "meat" has been treated more as an accompaniement. Ladies, do we really sit around and wait for men to feed us? NO! Women have been providing grains, vegetables, and other "gathered" food items for as long as we have been upright, and probably before then. Men brought home some game every once and awhile, when they could get it. Of course, there are cultures that do not fit this generalization-Alaskan native cultures come to mind. But even they do eat grains/vegg type things that are gathered by women.

My other 2 cents-why would we eat in a way that doesn't represent our reality today???????? When in Rome, right? Last time I checked, we had moved far past the Paleolithic. Another interesting note-animal bodies are constantly adapting to the environment....surely we're different now, even if in small ways...

Have a Very Merry Christmas!!!

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Borderline Cholesterol

Yesterday I got lab results back from a blood test I'd had the weekbefore, and I was surprised to see that my cholesterol is 198. Mydiet is pretty healthy, and I exercise 6 days a week. My doctor wantsme to come in and talk about my lab results. The appointment lastweek was my first with him, and he is an advocate of the Paleolithicdiet. Have you heard of it? It's basically based on the way peopleeat in Crete, which is high in fish and Omega 3's, very low in grains,etc. So, I'm telling myself that part of IE is taking care of your body,and giving it what it needs, but there have been so many conflictingreports about what causes and helps high cholesterol. So, I thinkI'll stick with IE, keep an eye on the numbers, and eat sensibly.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Katcha! Thanks !

Maybe I'm overreacting to the whole numbers thing. And it DID sound a

little odd, the whole Paleo diet. I came close to asking him if I

needed to go out and club my dinner to death.

Yeah, history has been written by men, and we've often suffered for

it,lol!

--- In IntuitiveEating_Support , " Ellington "

But even they do eat grains/vegg type things that are gathered by women.

>

> My other 2 cents-why would we eat in a way that doesn't represent

our reality today???????? When in Rome, right? Last time I checked, we

had moved far past the Paleolithic. Another interesting note-animal

bodies are constantly adapting to the environment....surely we're

different now, even if in small ways...

>

> Have a Very Merry Christmas!!!

[Guest guest]

And yea for us lovely ladies who could smile and be 'proud' of the

mighty hunter when he brought home that prize of all kills - a skunk!

ho ho ho and giggles

>

> Thanks Katcha! Thanks !

> Maybe I'm overreacting to the whole numbers thing. And it DID sound a

> little odd, the whole Paleo diet. I came close to asking him if I

> needed to go out and club my dinner to death.

> Yeah, history has been written by men, and we've often suffered for

> it,lol!

[Guest guest]

>

> Yesterday I got lab results back from a blood test I'd had the week

> before, and I was surprised to see that my cholesterol is 198. My

> diet is pretty healthy, and I exercise 6 days a week. My doctor wants

> me to come in and talk about my lab results.

Since there has never been any evidence that cholesterol causes heart disease or

lowering

it helps and may in fact make us less healthy in other ways, I don't worry

about it.

" The diet-heart idea (the notion that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. This idea

has been repeatedly shown to be wrong, and yet, for complicated reasons of

pride, profit and prejudice, the hypothesis continues to be exploited by

scientists, fund-raising enterprises, food companies and even governmental

agencies. The public is being deceived by the greatest health scam of the

century. "

( Mann, MD, Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at

Vanderbilt University, Tennessee and co-director of the Framingham Heart

Study)

[Guest guest]

It has been my understanding that cholesterol is a necessary element

of the human body - in fact part of every cell. It seems to me that if

it is 'denied' to the body, the body will go out of its way to create

it, perhaps even in an over abundance reaction too. When I think about

it, the foods we (hubby & I) eat have been so oriented towards

'low-fat' or oils instead of animal fats. Just a few months ago my

hubby's lab results came back with cholesterol counts out of 'normal

limits'. He was encouraged to eat NO fat, a few nuts each day, fruits,

veggies etc etc. (we have all heard the drill I'm sure). The week

before his next lab test he got on an egg salad sandwich kick and was

probably going a little 'last supper' type eating of those foods he

anticipated would be 'forbidden' due to cholesterol concerns. Well his

counts were way down on the second test! Our doctor asked him " What

did you do? " and he didn't have the heart to tell her about his high

fat eating! He's very happy to not be adding 'another pill' too. Will

have to Google Mann, MD, Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry

to read up on what he has to say.

Thanks Ivy for your feedback - ehugs, Katcha

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> " The diet-heart idea (the notion that saturated fats and cholesterol

cause

> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.

This idea

> has been repeatedly shown to be wrong, and yet, for complicated

reasons of

> pride, profit and prejudice, the hypothesis continues to be exploited by

> scientists, fund-raising enterprises, food companies and even

governmental

> agencies. The public is being deceived by the greatest health scam

of the

> century. "

>

> ( Mann, MD, Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at

> Vanderbilt University, Tennessee and co-director of the Framingham Heart

> Study)

>

[Guest guest]

That has always seemed logical to me. I figure it's a huge component of our body

-

esepcially the brain - and if we don't get enough our body will make it so it

makes sense

that if we don't eat it, our body will just make it.

That's an interesting story about the egg sandwich! I'm wondering if my high sat

fat intake

is working that way for me. My doc has never said my cholesterol is a problem

(for him)

and I certainly don't follow mainstream diet advice.

One of the nutrition geeks as I've been calling them lately - has a website

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/

or :

http://www.thincs.org/

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics (THINCS) is a steadily

growing group of

scientists, physicians, other academicians and science writers from various

countries.

Members of this group represent different views about the causation of

atherosclerosis

and cardiovascular disease, some of them are in conflict with others, but this

is a normal

part of science. What we all oppose is that animal fat and high cholesterol play

a role. The

aim with this website is to inform our colleagues and the public that this idea

is not

supported by scientific evidence; in fact, for many years a huge number of

scientific

studies have directly contradicted it.

>

> It has been my understanding that cholesterol is a necessary element

> of the human body - in fact part of every cell. It seems to me that if

> it is 'denied' to the body, the body will go out of its way to create

> it, perhaps even in an over abundance reaction too.

[Guest guest]

WOW! Thank you! There has been so much conflicting news about heart

health, it's hard to know who to believe. I think I'm not gonna worry

about it.

>

> Since there has never been any evidence that cholesterol causes

heart disease or lowering

> it helps and may in fact make us less healthy in other ways, I

don't worry about it.

>

> " The diet-heart idea (the notion that saturated fats and cholesterol

cause

> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.

This idea

> has been repeatedly shown to be wrong, and yet, for complicated

reasons of

> pride, profit and prejudice, the hypothesis continues to be exploited by

> scientists, fund-raising enterprises, food companies and even

governmental

> agencies. The public is being deceived by the greatest health scam

of the

> century. "

>

> ( Mann, MD, Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at

> Vanderbilt University, Tennessee and co-director of the Framingham Heart

> Study)

>

[Guest guest]

That's the thing about listening to the 'experts' they never agree - and even

when they do,

they often change their minds.

I decided years ago that the only one who knew what was best for me was me. I

could

listen to what others said then take what I wanted from it and leave the rest. I

can only

share my experience - for others to take or leave as they wish .

Look at this - it's not the one i wanted,but it will do

>

> WOW! Thank you! There has been so much conflicting news about heart

> health, it's hard to know who to believe. I think I'm not gonna worry

> about it.

> >

> > Since there has never been any evidence that cholesterol causes

> heart disease or lowering

> > it helps and may in fact make us less healthy in other ways, I

> don't worry about it.

> >

> > " The diet-heart idea (the notion that saturated fats and cholesterol

> cause

> > heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.

> This idea

> > has been repeatedly shown to be wrong, and yet, for complicated

> reasons of

> > pride, profit and prejudice, the hypothesis continues to be exploited by

> > scientists, fund-raising enterprises, food companies and even

> governmental

> > agencies. The public is being deceived by the greatest health scam

> of the

> > century. "

> >

> > ( Mann, MD, Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at

> > Vanderbilt University, Tennessee and co-director of the Framingham Heart

> > Study)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ain't it the truth!!!

>

> That's the thing about listening to the 'experts' they never agree -

and even when they do,

> they often change their minds.

>

>