Re: teaching running

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In a message dated 5/6/2002 10:39:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

tloggie@... writes:

> Tommi, you are not alone. does not run. I can get him to run from the

> door to the end of the driveway but that is all. It is a challenage for him

> to run any distance. will be 10 in August.

>

> Lori

>

Ty Lori...I know from the baseball game this is difficult for a lot of our

kids. He usually does so good at meeting my challenges, but this and learning

to ride a bike we just aren't making headway on. He can't get his legs to go

just forward, y'know, for bike riding. This wouldn't be such a biggie except

he WANTS to do it. He sits on the bike forever looking around at the other

riders and trying, but he doesn't go anywhere. Halpfway pedal , then his feet

must go right back to the starting point the other way. This must be

infuriating for him, as the running thing is too I think because I think he

wants in on the tag games and whatnot, but he's always IT when they let him

play (of course mine do, but I mean the non-brother kids) and he can never

catch anyone. Then they laugh at him and he laughs too, but I'm not laughing

y'know? I just want to try to give him this edge closer towards his peers,

but it's rough. We'll keep plugging away though.....

Tommi

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Tommi, you are not alone. does not run. I can get him to run from the door

to the end of the driveway but that is all. It is a challenage for him to run

any distance. will be 10 in August.

Lori

teaching running

How do I do this? I guess I haven't been paying enough attention to how my

other kids learned, but I seriously just remember them running...no teaching,

they just did it. Well, is 6 and there is no running in his

abilities....at all. DH and I tried tonight. See we are trying because

although it has been a wonderful 3 years at his autism school, is

moving to the public school in the fall. He goes there one 1/2 day a week now

and after our IEP on Wednesday he will be going 2 1/2 days and the district

is very gung-ho on him attending full time in the fall. Not a big deal for me

anymore really, I think he's ready. BUT...I think they are seriously lacking

in OT abilities so I figured we would do it here on our own.

hahahahahaha....as I said dh and I, along with Dakota and Sebastian, tried

very hard tonight as usual to get him to run, or jog or anything resembling

either. We coached, tried " tag " , rewards, races, bribes (Dakota's idea to

bribe him with his playstation) and then physically holding his arm and

running with him which ended in a hysterical letting his legs just

drop. He wasn't upset, he was actually hysterically laughing, finding us very

amusing I am sure. I mentioned he is in baseball now, and it's a challenger

league so it's OK that he doesn't run, but in the next soccer season we will

be putting him in with Sebastian in the typical kiddies and I am not so sure

just walking around the field unable to run is going to do much for him

socially, y'know? He will make a good goalie for sure:) Are there particular

muscles I need to get ready for running? I find it hard to believe that a kid

who jumps ALL day and has legs of steels doesn't have what it takes to run. I

am perplexed to say the least. Anyway I know I am rambling, but I have alone

time and don't know what else to do with it...LOL! I'll exit now, but hope

everyone is having a grand day/evening:)

Tommi

(Mom to Dakota TS 8, Autism 6 and Sebastian NT 5)

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> I find it hard to believe that a kid who jumps ALL day and has legs of steels

doesn't have what it takes to run. <

tommi, this is a problem with low muscle tone, aka hypotonia, i would ask the

school for him to have a PT eval. there could also be problems with motor

planning, which is what happens when the body doesn't do what the mind tells it

to.

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

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> although it has been a wonderful 3 years at his autism school, is moving

to the public school in the fall <

does he go to the children's annex?

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

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gives kisses freely to anyone who requests one. My husband and I have

a game where we stand away from each other. One of us calls for one and

she'll run and give that person a kiss. Then the other parent says but I

want a kiss and makes her run over. I don't know if that would work though

What about a game like Red Rover? You need some momentum to break threw.

G

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In a message dated 5/7/2002 12:37:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

muollo3@... writes:

> does he go to the children's annex?

>

yep....but no more ( ) I guess all good things must come to an end. I'm

sure this is a good move, at least I am seriously hoping. I think the

district has only seen him one day a week for 2 hours and it's like honeymoon

still, but so be it. The only thing that fears me is his behaviors when he's

in a growth spurt (before we modify the meds) or when the honeymoon is over.

The local school has no quiet room and are not allowed to restrain in any

way. Horror story: in the beginning of the year they called the cops (the

cops!) on a kindergartener who was fitting in the typical class--I don't know

if he is NT or not, I just know they did that. I think I will not agree

unless it is in writing that I will be called (since I only live up the hill

from school) if he gets upset RIGHT away. I wanted them to try a full day or

two first, but they don't have the 1:1 available right now....she better be

available in the fall!

Tommi

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I hear you. does not ride a bike either. He also sits on the bikes and

tries but gets no where.

Then he screams telling the bike to move but it won't. He tells us to push but

he won't pedal. I have duck taped his feet to the pedals and tried to get him to

pedal but he just can't or don't seem to get how to get those legs to move that

way.

I and his worker, work at it on a daily bases. It has now been 3 years and still

nothing.

Lori

Re: teaching running

In a message dated 5/6/2002 10:39:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

tloggie@... writes:

> Tommi, you are not alone. does not run. I can get him to run from the

> door to the end of the driveway but that is all. It is a challenage for him

> to run any distance. will be 10 in August.

>

> Lori

>

Ty Lori...I know from the baseball game this is difficult for a lot of our

kids. He usually does so good at meeting my challenges, but this and learning

to ride a bike we just aren't making headway on. He can't get his legs to go

just forward, y'know, for bike riding. This wouldn't be such a biggie except

he WANTS to do it. He sits on the bike forever looking around at the other

riders and trying, but he doesn't go anywhere. Halpfway pedal , then his feet

must go right back to the starting point the other way. This must be

infuriating for him, as the running thing is too I think because I think he

wants in on the tag games and whatnot, but he's always IT when they let him

play (of course mine do, but I mean the non-brother kids) and he can never

catch anyone. Then they laugh at him and he laughs too, but I'm not laughing

y'know? I just want to try to give him this edge closer towards his peers,

but it's rough. We'll keep plugging away though.....

Tommi

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> Well, is 6 and there is no running in his

> abilities....at all. DH and I tried tonight.>.

Probably motor planning...big deal for kids with sensory

dysfunction...which is most all kids with autism...

> Are there particular

> muscles I need to get ready for running? >>

Nope...it's not muscle power that is the problem, most likely...

Running is a fairly complex motor activity...and one that is hard to

teach, to be honest. is eight and he still falls apart and

gallops when trying to run. If you have access to OT at his present

school, I would ask him/her for ideas to work on coordination in

general...obstacle courses where he has to plan out what he is going

to do, doing sensory preparation before a running activity to help

his body be ready (like the ALERT stuff...there is a couple of

wonderful tapes...one from the " ALERT " program, and another

called " Songames " for that)...motor games like " Hokey Pokey " ...

Raena

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Do you know anybody with a really good tempered dog and a fenced

yard? Our kids and animals seem to motivate each other. We had the

neighbors little pug dog over here a few days ago and he loved being

chased. loved trying to catch the dog. I know having your own

dog might be too much, but if you know somebody - if the dog is of

the right temperment, than the owners probably are too and usually

are happy to have somebody take the dog out and play more. There

will be falls, so a helmet and knee pads might be in order.

went down stairs for the first time by herself, because the cat was

at the bottom of the steps and she wanted to see him. Her first two

word sentence was " here kitty " (but cats don't like to be chased, so

try for a dog?)

Just a suggestion. That or try swimming, so he can work on his motor

planning skills and figure out where his legs are. has been

working in the water for 4 months now, once a week and I actually

watched her run down the hall without running into anything - she

still runs like a drunken sailor, but at least she didn't bounce off

anything.

Good luck.

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, you are so true on what you are saying. The trouoble is that for 5

years know has been swimming every Friday for 2 and 1/2 hours a day. He

also is made to try and run every day at school in the gym. But he still can not

get it together to run.

I keep hoping that he will catch on but I think this is going to be like

talking. He will never get it.

Lori

Re: teaching running

Do you know anybody with a really good tempered dog and a fenced

yard? Our kids and animals seem to motivate each other. We had the

neighbors little pug dog over here a few days ago and he loved being

chased. loved trying to catch the dog. I know having your own

dog might be too much, but if you know somebody - if the dog is of

the right temperment, than the owners probably are too and usually

are happy to have somebody take the dog out and play more. There

will be falls, so a helmet and knee pads might be in order.

went down stairs for the first time by herself, because the cat was

at the bottom of the steps and she wanted to see him. Her first two

word sentence was " here kitty " (but cats don't like to be chased, so

try for a dog?)

Just a suggestion. That or try swimming, so he can work on his motor

planning skills and figure out where his legs are. has been

working in the water for 4 months now, once a week and I actually

watched her run down the hall without running into anything - she

still runs like a drunken sailor, but at least she didn't bounce off

anything.

Good luck.

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Tommi, does get PT at school..you could ask his

physical therapist to work on this with him.

I don't have this problem with ..he can run..he

runs so fast I can just barely catch up with him.

We've been working with him on riding his bike..he is

finally getting the hang of pedaling.

If he doesn't get PT..ask the school about getting it

for him!

Mimi

--- madness4midnight@... wrote:

> How do I do this? I guess I haven't been paying

> enough attention to how my

> other kids learned, but I seriously just remember

> them running...no teaching,

> they just did it. Well, is 6 and there is no

> running in his

> abilities....at all. DH and I tried tonight. See we

> are trying because

> although it has been a wonderful 3 years at his

> autism school, is

> moving to the public school in the fall. He goes

> there one 1/2 day a week now

> and after our IEP on Wednesday he will be going 2

> 1/2 days and the district

> is very gung-ho on him attending full time in the

> fall. Not a big deal for me

> anymore really, I think he's ready. BUT...I think

> they are seriously lacking

> in OT abilities so I figured we would do it here on

> our own.

> hahahahahaha....as I said dh and I, along with

> Dakota and Sebastian, tried

> very hard tonight as usual to get him to run, or jog

> or anything resembling

> either. We coached, tried " tag " , rewards, races,

> bribes (Dakota's idea to

> bribe him with his playstation) and then physically

> holding his arm and

> running with him which ended in a hysterical

> letting his legs just

> drop. He wasn't upset, he was actually hysterically

> laughing, finding us very

> amusing I am sure. I mentioned he is in baseball

> now, and it's a challenger

> league so it's OK that he doesn't run, but in the

> next soccer season we will

> be putting him in with Sebastian in the typical

> kiddies and I am not so sure

> just walking around the field unable to run is

> going to do much for him

> socially, y'know? He will make a good goalie for

> sure:) Are there particular

> muscles I need to get ready for running? I find it

> hard to believe that a kid

> who jumps ALL day and has legs of steels doesn't

> have what it takes to run. I

> am perplexed to say the least. Anyway I know I am

> rambling, but I have alone

> time and don't know what else to do with it...LOL!

> I'll exit now, but hope

> everyone is having a grand day/evening:)

> Tommi

> (Mom to Dakota TS 8, Autism 6 and Sebastian NT

> 5)

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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In a message dated 5/7/2002 5:52:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

rgr4us@... writes:

> Why is it that I assume that the schools have already evaluated all

> these kids for such things? How can a kid with autism get through

> more than a year of school without someone noticing that he doesn't

> run?

>

The y noticed, and he has adaptive and whatnot, but I think over the past

three years they have been focusing on the more severe behaviors and

inabilites, which I am more than grateful, and probably since a lot of that

has been addressed (except for fine motors which is what they are desperately

trying to tackle now) it is becoming an issue to notice. I am just thinking

that since I am going to lose these great people that I am going to have to

do these things myself and was just wondering how I should go about it. I

know it is the new school's responsibility too, but although I respect their

teaching and am sure they will give him the 1:1 and ABA and all that great

stuff in his special class, they are seriously lacking in OT/PT. They admit

this too, so I am not sure if I can get them to add some stuff for home or

just do it myself or what. Still thinking....Tomorrow is the meeting.

Tommi

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In a message dated 5/7/2002 5:54:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, khan39@...

writes:

> . Than to, just turned 3 and didn't even

> walk until 15 months or go down the stairs on her butt until 21

> months, just sat at the top and cried until somebody came and got

> her, so she has major gross motor issues.

>

>

That was Jare too, no walking until 18 months and that was work! I think I am

going to try swimming lessons this year, since there is no formal of that in

IEP either or the place for me to work on it. Usually I just take him to the

lake:) I am sure there must be a swimming class of some sort for kids with

special needs somewhere in my area. I will check into it.

Tommi

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I'm strapped for time at the moment, so I'm going to comment on this

quickly.

The school should do a PT evaluation on him...If he is not running, he

should qualify for the service AND for adaptive PE, if you choose.

Jacqui just learned how to run this year. Before her run was more like a

full body shake moving forward...LOL

Penny

teaching running

How do I do this? I guess I haven't been paying enough attention to how my

other kids learned, but I seriously just remember them running...no

teaching,

they just did it. Well, is 6 and there is no running in his

abilities....at all. DH and I tried tonight. See we are trying because

although it has been a wonderful 3 years at his autism school, is

moving to the public school in the fall. He goes there one 1/2 day a week

now

and after our IEP on Wednesday he will be going 2 1/2 days and the district

is very gung-ho on him attending full time in the fall. Not a big deal for

me

anymore really, I think he's ready. BUT...I think they are seriously lacking

in OT abilities so I figured we would do it here on our own.

hahahahahaha....as I said dh and I, along with Dakota and Sebastian, tried

very hard tonight as usual to get him to run, or jog or anything resembling

either. We coached, tried " tag " , rewards, races, bribes (Dakota's idea to

bribe him with his playstation) and then physically holding his arm and

running with him which ended in a hysterical letting his legs just

drop. He wasn't upset, he was actually hysterically laughing, finding us

very

amusing I am sure. I mentioned he is in baseball now, and it's a challenger

league so it's OK that he doesn't run, but in the next soccer season we will

be putting him in with Sebastian in the typical kiddies and I am not so sure

just walking around the field unable to run is going to do much for

him

socially, y'know? He will make a good goalie for sure:) Are there particular

muscles I need to get ready for running? I find it hard to believe that a

kid

who jumps ALL day and has legs of steels doesn't have what it takes to run.

I

am perplexed to say the least. Anyway I know I am rambling, but I have alone

time and don't know what else to do with it...LOL! I'll exit now, but hope

everyone is having a grand day/evening:)

Tommi

(Mom to Dakota TS 8, Autism 6 and Sebastian NT 5)

[Guest guest]

> > The school should do a PT evaluation on him...If he is not

> running, he should qualify for the service AND for adaptive PE, if

> you choose.>>

Why is it that I assume that the schools have already evaluated all

these kids for such things? How can a kid with autism get through

more than a year of school without someone noticing that he doesn't

run?

Raena (happy homeschooler who thinks maybe she's not missing much...)

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Do you do a program in the water with him? With , we throw a

ball or a bean bag and ask her to go and get it and than do major

happy dances when she does. Or I stand on the other side of the pool

with something she wants and make her walk over and get it. It will

be awhile yet before she can swim, if ever, but we do see progress.

If your son isn't doing a formal program in the water, than use his

love of the water any way you can. I swear that had no clue

that she could actually use her arms and legs to get where she wanted

in the water when we started and you can really see the improvement

in her gross motor skills. If you are doing a formal program with a

PT in the water, than maybe it's the wrong PT?

Sorry about the dog idea, don't want to irratate the dogs.

Maybe a treadmill and gradually increase the speed? Of course with

the TV and his favorite tape in front of it, so he can stim while he

works? (Might want to think about some sort of harness from the

ceiling - to keep him from falling.)

doesn't have running in her IEP either, but I did make them put

in that she will be able to walk down the hall without tripping or

running into the wall. I have argued the last two IEP's that her

gross motor skills are so poor that she needs more OT or PT help in

this area, but unless I want to hassle with appeals, it won't happen,

so we do it at home. Than to, just turned 3 and didn't even

walk until 15 months or go down the stairs on her butt until 21

months, just sat at the top and cried until somebody came and got

her, so she has major gross motor issues.

The swimming thing

> he does enjoy, but not actually swimming, just " fainting " and going

> underwater. It's the funniest thing, he just falls back and jumps

up

> sputtering as if someone did it to him....over and over for hours!

The school

> does not have running in his IEP, I think we'll add that tomorrow,

but since

> it's a new OT and PT for the new school, I'm still not sure what

they can do

> for him. He is going from a gymnasium size OT/PT room right now

with

> everything you can think of to a closet with nothing more that

balls really.

> blah!

>

>

>

>

>

> > Good luck.

> >

> >

> TY:)

>

>

>

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.....learning to ride a bike we just aren't making headway on. He can't get

his legs to go

just forward, y'know, for bike riding.....

Jacqui just learned to ride her bike last summer (at 6)

...... but he's always IT when they let him

play .....

Yep... I really hate that too.

Penny

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is there any site for hypotonia?

has and we all know he has very low muscle tone. But this is the frist I

heard about hypotonia.

Lori

Re: teaching running

> I find it hard to believe that a kid who jumps ALL day and has legs of

steels doesn't have what it takes to run. <

tommi, this is a problem with low muscle tone, aka hypotonia, i would ask the

school for him to have a PT eval. there could also be problems with motor

planning, which is what happens when the body doesn't do what the mind tells it

to.

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

> is there any site for hypotonia?

has and we all know he has very low muscle tone. But this is the frist I

heard about hypotonia.

Lori <

try this...

http://www.tendercare4kids.com/therapytime/tt020124_hypotonia.html

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

> is there any site for hypotonia?

>

> has and we all know he has very low muscle tone. But this is

the frist I heard about hypotonia.>

Lori,

Hypotonia is the same thing as low muscle tone...fancy medical word.

Raena

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> probably since a lot of that

> has been addressed (except for fine motors which is what they are

> desperately trying to tackle now) it is becoming an issue to

> notice. >>

Tommi,

Does he have an OT or PT now? Seems to me that tackling the fine

motor would require making sure he has a good gross motor

foundation...fine movements are built on a solid foundation of gross

motor control...ask them for some activities to improve overall

coordination and motor planning...and things should start to come

together for him in all areas.

I am just thinking

> that since I am going to lose these great people that I am going to

have to

> do these things myself and was just wondering how I should go about

it. >

Pump them for info before you lose them...maybe ask for some guidance

for the summer? :-)

>> they are seriously lacking in OT/PT. They admit

> this too, so I am not sure if I can get them to add some stuff for

home or

> just do it myself or what. Still thinking....Tomorrow is the

meeting.>>

Would they be willing to pay for some private OT? Maybe just a

monthly consult to devise/oversee a home program? I would ask

them...especially since they have admitted they cannot provide what

he needs in this area (and are legally required to).

I have some lists of good home activities to improve motor planning

for school age kids somewhere...I can try to find it if you think it

would be helpful...what is required to run, I would say, are adequate

skills in motor imitation, timing, reciprocal movement, and

coordinating one side of the body with the other...

Raena

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How is his swimming, Lori?

Penny

>>>>>

, you are so true on what you are saying. The trouoble is that for 5

years know has been swimming every Friday for 2 and 1/2 hours a

day.<<<<<<

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Penny he just floats with noodles. He does not kick his feet. It took the frist

year just to get him in the water. They are still worling on him kicking. I have

been lucky, the girl that started with 5 years ago is still the same one

that works with him now. She just does not know what else to do. She has been

having him push off the wall, he does not get very far. she has him step on

different level boards but he makes no effort to push off the boards just walks

off them. She had her PT instructor come and help and they are still trying to

work with him.

So lets just say he really does not get anywhere with it.

Lori

RE: Re: teaching running

How is his swimming, Lori?

Penny

>>>>>

, you are so true on what you are saying. The trouoble is that for 5

years know has been swimming every Friday for 2 and 1/2 hours a

day.<<<<<<

[Guest guest]

The way an Autistic child can attend school for almost an entire year, her

mother very involved and just two weeks ago finding out about a " friendship

group " .

Re: teaching running

> > The school should do a PT evaluation on him...If he is not

> running, he should qualify for the service AND for adaptive PE, if

> you choose.>>

Why is it that I assume that the schools have already evaluated all

these kids for such things? How can a kid with autism get through

more than a year of school without someone noticing that he doesn't

run?

Raena (happy homeschooler who thinks maybe she's not missing much...)