Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

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LOL--I hope they didn't spend a whole lot on that study. Old wives and IBS sufferers (and Jane, I know that includes you) have known for years that fruit makes the symptoms worse.

Kathy

Fructose Linked to IBS

ACG: Fructose Linked to Irritable Bowel Symptoms

By Charlene LainoBALTIMORE, MD -- October 17, 2003 -- A fructose-restricted diet can help improve symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) and fructose intolerance, a new study shows.Young K. Choi, MD, gastroenterologist, University of Iowa, Iowa City, United States, reported the findings here on October 14th at the 68th Annual Meeting of the American College of Gastroenterology.The researchers tested 80 patients with suspected IBS; 30 had positive fructose breath tests. The patients received oral and written dietary instructions regarding what foods are high in fructose, and they were urged to avoid them.While not as well known as lactose intolerance, fructose intolerance is quite common, with previous research by the same researchers showing it affects 30% to 58% of patients with symptoms of IBS.After 1 year, 26 patients were available for a follow-up evaluation that included a structured interview to assess their dietary compliance and symptom patterns. Only 54% of participants reported that they remained on the fructose-restricted diet for a significant amount of time, Dr. Choi reported.Those who did stick with the program, however, reported significantly less abdominal pain, bloating and diarrhoea than before changing their diets (P<0.05), said Dr. Choi. Not surprisingly, noncompliant patients showed no improvement in symptoms.On the Rome 1 scale, only 43% of patients who complied with the fructose-restricted diet continued to have symptoms of IBS, compared with 75% of those who continued to eat fructose-rich foods.Eleven of 14 (79%) patients who avoided fructose reported a strong correlation between occasional noncompliance and symptoms, the study showed, compared with only one of 12 (8%) noncompliant patients. G. Locke, III, MD, Associate Professor of Medicine, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota, United States, questioned whether patients in the study really had IBS. "We used to think people who were intolerant to milk had IBS, but now we know they have lactose intolerance," Dr. Locke said. "The same thing could be happening here. It's a matter of labeling."The important message, said Yuri A. Saito, MD, MPH, also of the Mayo Clinic, is to "educate patients that fructose can cause these symptoms. The general public is not aware of this," she added.[study title: How Useful Is A Fructose-Restricted Diet in Patients with IBS and Fructose Intolerance? Abstract 547]

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Well, my brother and brother-in-law both have Crohns. I think you definitely need to throw in carbs because they are both alcoholics and substance abusers with the accompanying carb addiction. But one other thing they both have in common is a very high intake of Pepsi/Coke--both are high fructose.

I don't have Crohn's, but I do have IBS and I know for a fact that when I eat or drink high fructose items for a day or so in a row the IBS goes into full swing.

Right now it's fresh apple cider time around here and it's one of my favorite things, but I might not have any, or I might get one glass full, because that will set my IBS into high gear everytime. Not to mention that because of the flare I'm in it's already acting up.

Kathy

Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

I believe there is a link with my Crohns between lactose and fructose but I am still trying to assertain the exact link. I'd be interested in other people's opinions

RobynJane Hutchinson wrote:

ACG: Fructose Linked to Irritable Bowel Symptoms

By Charlene LainoBALTIMORE, MD -- October 17, 2003 -- A fructose-restricted diet can help improve symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) and fructose intolerance, a new study shows.Young K. Choi, MD, gastroenterologist, University of Iowa, Iowa City, United States, reported the findings here on October 14th at the 68th Annual Meeting of the American College of Gastroenterology.The researchers tested 80 patients with suspected IBS; 30 had positive fructose breath tests. The patients received oral and written dietary instructions regarding what foods are high in fructose, and they were urged to avoid them.While not as well known as lactose intolerance, fructose intolerance is quite common, with previous research by the same researchers showing it affects 30% to 58% of patients with symptoms of IBS.After 1 year, 26 patients were available for a follow-up evaluation that included a structured interview to assess their dietary compliance and symptom patterns. Only 54% of participants reported that they remained on the fructose-restricted diet for a significant amount of time, Dr. Choi reported.Those who did stick with the program, however, reported significantly less abdominal pain, bloating and diarrhoea than before changing their diets (P<0.05), said Dr. Choi. Not surprisingly, noncompliant patients showed no improvement in symptoms.On the Rome 1 scale, only 43% of patients who complied with the fructose-restricted diet continued to have symptoms of IBS, compared with 75% of those who continued to eat fructose-rich foods.Eleven of 14 (79%) patients who avoided fructose reported a strong correlation between occasional noncompliance and symptoms, the study showed, compared with only one of 12 (8%) noncompliant patients. G. Locke, III, MD, Associate Professor of Medicine, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota, United States, questioned whether patients in the study really had IBS. "We used to think people who were intolerant to milk had IBS, but now we know they have lactose intolerance," Dr. Locke said. "The same thing could be happening here. It's a matter of labeling."The important message, said Yuri A. Saito, MD, MPH, also of the Mayo Clinic, is to "educate patients that fructose can cause these symptoms. The general public is not aware of this," she added.[study title: How Useful Is A Fructose-Restricted Diet in Patients with IBS and Fructose Intolerance? Abstract 547]

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Kathy,

We don't have the type of apple cider over here that you have over there. I tried it while I was there because I thought they meant our type. Now I'm starting to wonder whether it wasn't that cider that put me into serious pain load on my last day in the States itself. I'd had some at a restaurant for lunch one day. I'm pretty sure it was the next day that I woke up in serious arthritis pain and couldn't walk all day. It was a real shame because it was the day we were going to Gettysburg. I just had to sit in the car all day while the other got out to look at and walk around all the individual sites etc.

Thanks for the clue.

Robyne O'Hara wrote:

Well, my brother and brother-in-law both have Crohns. I think you definitely need to throw in carbs because they are both alcoholics and substance abusers with the accompanying carb addiction. But one other thing they both have in common is a very high intake of Pepsi/Coke--both are high fructose.

I don't have Crohn's, but I do have IBS and I know for a fact that when I eat or drink high fructose items for a day or so in a row the IBS goes into full swing.

Right now it's fresh apple cider time around here and it's one of my favorite things, but I might not have any, or I might get one glass full, because that will set my IBS into high gear everytime. Not to mention that because of the flare I'm in it's already acting up.

Kathy

Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

I believe there is a link with my Crohns between lactose and fructose but I am still trying to assertain the exact link. I'd be interested in other people's opinions

RobynJane Hutchinson wrote:

ACG: Fructose Linked to Irritable Bowel Symptoms

By Charlene LainoBALTIMORE, MD -- October 17, 2003 -- A fructose-restricted diet can help improve symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) and fructose intolerance, a new study shows.Young K. Choi, MD, gastroenterologist, University of Iowa, Iowa City, United States, reported the findings here on October 14th at the 68th Annual Meeting of the American College of Gastroenterology.The researchers tested 80 patients with suspected IBS; 30 had positive fructose breath tests. The patients received oral and written dietary instructions regarding what foods are high in fructose, and they were urged to avoid them.While not as well known as lactose intolerance, fructose intolerance is quite common, with previous research by the same researchers showing it affects 30% to 58% of patients with symptoms of IBS.After 1 year, 26 patients were available for a follow-up evaluation that included a structured interview to assess their dietary compliance and symptom patterns. Only 54% of participants reported that they remained on the fructose-restricted diet for a significant amount of time, Dr. Choi reported.Those who did stick with the program, however, reported significantly less abdominal pain, bloating and diarrhoea than before changing their diets (P<0.05), said Dr. Choi. Not surprisingly, noncompliant patients showed no improvement in symptoms.On the Rome 1 scale, only 43% of patients who complied with the fructose-restricted diet continued to have

symptoms of IBS, compared with 75% of those who continued to eat fructose-rich foods.Eleven of 14 (79%) patients who avoided fructose reported a strong correlation between occasional noncompliance and symptoms, the study showed, compared with only one of 12 (8%) noncompliant patients. G. Locke, III, MD, Associate Professor of Medicine, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota, United States, questioned whether patients in the study really had IBS. "We used to think people who were intolerant to milk had IBS, but now we know they have lactose intolerance," Dr. Locke said. "The same thing could be happening here. It's a matter of labeling."The important message, said Yuri A. Saito, MD, MPH, also of the Mayo Clinic, is to "educate patients that fructose can cause these symptoms. The general public is not aware of this," she added.[study title: How Useful Is A Fructose-Restricted Diet in Patients with IBS and Fructose Intolerance? Abstract 547]

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Kathy,

We don't have the type of apple cider over here that you have over there. I tried it while I was there because I thought they meant our type. Now I'm starting to wonder whether it wasn't that cider that put me into serious pain load on my last day in the States itself. I'd had some at a restaurant for lunch one day. I'm pretty sure it was the next day that I woke up in serious arthritis pain and couldn't walk all day. It was a real shame because it was the day we were going to Gettysburg. I just had to sit in the car all day while the other got out to look at and walk around all the individual sites etc.

Thanks for the clue.

Robyne O'Hara wrote:

Well, my brother and brother-in-law both have Crohns. I think you definitely need to throw in carbs because they are both alcoholics and substance abusers with the accompanying carb addiction. But one other thing they both have in common is a very high intake of Pepsi/Coke--both are high fructose.

I don't have Crohn's, but I do have IBS and I know for a fact that when I eat or drink high fructose items for a day or so in a row the IBS goes into full swing.

Right now it's fresh apple cider time around here and it's one of my favorite things, but I might not have any, or I might get one glass full, because that will set my IBS into high gear everytime. Not to mention that because of the flare I'm in it's already acting up.

Kathy

Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

I believe there is a link with my Crohns between lactose and fructose but I am still trying to assertain the exact link. I'd be interested in other people's opinions

RobynJane Hutchinson wrote:

ACG: Fructose Linked to Irritable Bowel Symptoms

By Charlene LainoBALTIMORE, MD -- October 17, 2003 -- A fructose-restricted diet can help improve symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) and fructose intolerance, a new study shows.Young K. Choi, MD, gastroenterologist, University of Iowa, Iowa City, United States, reported the findings here on October 14th at the 68th Annual Meeting of the American College of Gastroenterology.The researchers tested 80 patients with suspected IBS; 30 had positive fructose breath tests. The patients received oral and written dietary instructions regarding what foods are high in fructose, and they were urged to avoid them.While not as well known as lactose intolerance, fructose intolerance is quite common, with previous research by the same researchers showing it affects 30% to 58% of patients with symptoms of IBS.After 1 year, 26 patients were available for a follow-up evaluation that included a structured interview to assess their dietary compliance and symptom patterns. Only 54% of participants reported that they remained on the fructose-restricted diet for a significant amount of time, Dr. Choi reported.Those who did stick with the program, however, reported significantly less abdominal pain, bloating and diarrhoea than before changing their diets (P<0.05), said Dr. Choi. Not surprisingly, noncompliant patients showed no improvement in symptoms.On the Rome 1 scale, only 43% of patients who complied with the fructose-restricted diet continued to have

symptoms of IBS, compared with 75% of those who continued to eat fructose-rich foods.Eleven of 14 (79%) patients who avoided fructose reported a strong correlation between occasional noncompliance and symptoms, the study showed, compared with only one of 12 (8%) noncompliant patients. G. Locke, III, MD, Associate Professor of Medicine, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota, United States, questioned whether patients in the study really had IBS. "We used to think people who were intolerant to milk had IBS, but now we know they have lactose intolerance," Dr. Locke said. "The same thing could be happening here. It's a matter of labeling."The important message, said Yuri A. Saito, MD, MPH, also of the Mayo Clinic, is to "educate patients that fructose can cause these symptoms. The general public is not aware of this," she added.[study title: How Useful Is A Fructose-Restricted Diet in Patients with IBS and Fructose Intolerance? Abstract 547]

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What's your cider like?

Kathy

Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

I believe there is a link with my Crohns between lactose and fructose but I am still trying to assertain the exact link. I'd be interested in other people's opinions

RobynJane Hutchinson wrote:

ACG: Fructose Linked to Irritable Bowel Symptoms

By Charlene LainoBALTIMORE, MD -- October 17, 2003 -- A fructose-restricted diet can help improve symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) and fructose intolerance, a new study shows.Young K. Choi, MD, gastroenterologist, University of Iowa, Iowa City, United States, reported the findings here on October 14th at the 68th Annual Meeting of the American College of Gastroenterology.The researchers tested 80 patients with suspected IBS; 30 had positive fructose breath tests. The patients received oral and written dietary instructions regarding what foods are high in fructose, and they were urged to avoid them.While not as well known as lactose intolerance, fructose intolerance is quite common, with previous research by the same researchers showing it affects 30% to 58% of patients with symptoms of IBS.After 1 year, 26 patients were available for a follow-up evaluation that included a structured interview to assess their dietary compliance and symptom patterns. Only 54% of participants reported that they remained on the fructose-restricted diet for a significant amount of time, Dr. Choi reported.Those who did stick with the program, however, reported significantly less abdominal pain, bloating and diarrhoea than before changing their diets (P<0.05), said Dr. Choi. Not surprisingly, noncompliant patients showed no improvement in symptoms.On the Rome 1 scale, only 43% of patients who complied with the fructose-restricted diet continued to have symptoms of IBS, compared with 75% of those who continued to eat fructose-rich foods.Eleven of 14 (79%) patients who avoided fructose reported a strong correlation between occasional noncompliance and symptoms, the study showed, compared with only one of 12 (8%) noncompliant patients. G. Locke, III, MD, Associate Professor of Medicine, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota, United States, questioned whether patients in the study really had IBS. "We used to think people who were intolerant to milk had IBS, but now we know they have lactose intolerance," Dr. Locke said. "The same thing could be happening here. It's a matter of labeling."The important message, said Yuri A. Saito, MD, MPH, also of the Mayo Clinic, is to "educate patients that fructose can cause these symptoms. The general public is not aware of this," she added.[study title: How Useful Is A Fructose-Restricted Diet in Patients with IBS and Fructose Intolerance? Abstract 547]

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Kathy,

Apple cider over here is more like a soft drink but without as many bubbles. It is much like an apple flavoured lemon drink. It is not thick like yours. I suspect it has very little actual "apple" in it but rather apple essences.

The same applies to our "lemonade" over here. Here it is like your Sprite. I kept on making the mistake of ordering lemonade over there and getting what we would call lemon cordial. It is not a drink we would buy over here at the shop. We can buy concentrate lemon cordial and mix it for use at home but no-one would pay to drink it over the counter.

One drink we really cannot understand how anyone over there enjoys is your "root beer". We have some heat rub over here that you use when you have sore muscles etc that is called "Dencorub". Your root beer smells and tastes like Dencorub. How can you drink it? It's awful.

(((Hugs)))

Robyne O'Hara wrote:

What's your cider like?

Kathy

Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

I believe there is a link with my Crohns between lactose and fructose but I am still trying to assertain the exact link. I'd be interested in other people's opinions

RobynJane Hutchinson wrote:

ACG: Fructose Linked to Irritable Bowel Symptoms

By Charlene LainoBALTIMORE, MD -- October 17, 2003 -- A fructose-restricted diet can help improve symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) and fructose intolerance, a new study shows.Young K. Choi, MD, gastroenterologist, University of Iowa, Iowa City, United States, reported the findings here on October 14th at the 68th Annual Meeting of the American College of Gastroenterology.The researchers tested 80 patients with suspected IBS; 30 had positive fructose breath tests. The patients received oral and written dietary instructions regarding what foods are high in fructose, and they were urged to avoid them.While not as well known as lactose intolerance, fructose intolerance is quite common, with previous research by the same researchers showing it affects 30% to 58% of patients with symptoms of IBS.After 1 year, 26 patients were available for a follow-up evaluation that included a structured interview to assess their dietary compliance and symptom patterns. Only 54% of participants reported that they remained on the fructose-restricted diet for a significant amount of time, Dr. Choi reported.Those who did stick with the program, however, reported significantly less abdominal pain, bloating and diarrhoea than before changing their diets (P<0.05), said Dr. Choi. Not surprisingly, noncompliant patients showed no improvement in symptoms.On the Rome 1 scale, only 43% of patients who complied with the fructose-restricted diet

continued to have symptoms of IBS, compared with 75% of those who continued to eat fructose-rich foods.Eleven of 14 (79%) patients who avoided fructose reported a strong correlation between occasional noncompliance and symptoms, the study showed, compared with only one of 12 (8%) noncompliant patients. G. Locke, III, MD, Associate Professor of Medicine, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota, United States, questioned whether patients in the study really had IBS. "We used to think people who were intolerant to milk had IBS, but now we know they have lactose intolerance," Dr. Locke said. "The same thing could be happening here. It's a matter of labeling."The important message, said Yuri A. Saito, MD, MPH, also of the Mayo Clinic, is to "educate patients that fructose can cause these symptoms. The general public is not aware of this," she

added.[study title: How Useful Is A Fructose-Restricted Diet in Patients with IBS and Fructose Intolerance? Abstract 547]

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lol i love hearing about other cultures. my german relatives went through much the same thing when they came to visit the first time!

i remember even here how many things had changed while we were in japan for 4 years. i thought that was a culture shock!

root beer is an acquired taste.

Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

I believe there is a link with my Crohns between lactose and fructose but I am still trying to assertain the exact link. I'd be interested in other people's opinions

RobynJane Hutchinson wrote:

ACG: Fructose Linked to Irritable Bowel Symptoms

By Charlene LainoBALTIMORE, MD -- October 17, 2003 -- A fructose-restricted diet can help improve symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) and fructose intolerance, a new study shows.Young K. Choi, MD, gastroenterologist, University of Iowa, Iowa City, United States, reported the findings here on October 14th at the 68th Annual Meeting of the American College of Gastroenterology.The researchers tested 80 patients with suspected IBS; 30 had positive fructose breath tests. The patients received oral and written dietary instructions regarding what foods are high in fructose, and they were urged to avoid them.While not as well known as lactose intolerance, fructose intolerance is quite common, with previous research by the same researchers showing it affects 30% to 58% of patients with symptoms of IBS.After 1 year, 26 patients were available for a follow-up evaluation that included a structured interview to assess their dietary compliance and symptom patterns. Only 54% of participants reported that they remained on the fructose-restricted diet for a significant amount of time, Dr. Choi reported.Those who did stick with the program, however, reported significantly less abdominal pain, bloating and diarrhoea than before changing their diets (P<0.05), said Dr. Choi. Not surprisingly, noncompliant patients showed no improvement in symptoms.On the Rome 1 scale, only 43% of patients who complied with the fructose-restricted diet continued to have symptoms of IBS, compared with 75% of those who continued to eat fructose-rich foods.Eleven of 14 (79%) patients who avoided fructose reported a strong correlation between occasional noncompliance and symptoms, the study showed, compared with only one of 12 (8%) noncompliant patients. G. Locke, III, MD, Associate Professor of Medicine, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota, United States, questioned whether patients in the study really had IBS. "We used to think people who were intolerant to milk had IBS, but now we know they have lactose intolerance," Dr. Locke said. "The same thing could be happening here. It's a matter of labeling."The important message, said Yuri A. Saito, MD, MPH, also of the Mayo Clinic, is to "educate patients that fructose can cause these symptoms. The general public is not aware of this," she added.[study title: How Useful Is A Fructose-Restricted Diet in Patients with IBS and Fructose Intolerance? Abstract 547]

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That's my feelings exactly on Root Beer and Birch Beer, LOL. But most people

seem to love it. I feel the same way about Dr Pepper! It tastes like cough

syrup--and not the good cherry kind, LOL.

What you're describing we'd call apple juice over here. Cider is what is made

with a cider press and is the juice pressed from the apples with quite a bit of

the fiber along with it--nothing added. Our lemonade--there are so many

different kinds, but to me true lemonade is what is squeezed from the lemons and

it has some pulp in it and lots of sugar and ice. The kind you get in lots of

restaurants is reconstituted from powder and is sometimes artificially

flavored--more a " lemonade flavored " drink than true lemonade.

I love both--but apple cider is a fall drink, when the apples are in season

--and lemonade is a summer drink because it really cools you down.

In our area, in addition to the Root Beer we serve Birch Beer. It tastes about

the same, just made from a different plant. When I was a kid I liked root

beer--in fact Mom used to make it for us--but by the time I hit my teens it lost

its appeal and now I don't much like it.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

i dated someone once who said that mr pibb was only carbonated prune juice. i know better but the image sticks in my mind and i wont touch it or dr pepper. lol

Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

That's my feelings exactly on Root Beer and Birch Beer, LOL. But most people seem to love it. I feel the same way about Dr Pepper! It tastes like cough syrup--and not the good cherry kind, LOL.What you're describing we'd call apple juice over here. Cider is what is made with a cider press and is the juice pressed from the apples with quite a bit of the fiber along with it--nothing added. Our lemonade--there are so many different kinds, but to me true lemonade is what is squeezed from the lemons and it has some pulp in it and lots of sugar and ice. The kind you get in lots of restaurants is reconstituted from powder and is sometimes artificially flavored--more a "lemonade flavored" drink than true lemonade.I love both--but apple cider is a fall drink, when the apples are in season --and lemonade is a summer drink because it really cools you down.In our area, in addition to the Root Beer we serve Birch Beer. It tastes about the same, just made from a different plant. When I was a kid I liked root beer--in fact Mom used to make it for us--but by the time I hit my teens it lost its appeal and now I don't much like it.KathyPlease visit our website at:http://ACES_Autoimmune.tripod.com

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I don't know if I've ever tasted Mr Pibb.

Kathy

Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

That's my feelings exactly on Root Beer and Birch Beer, LOL. But most people seem to love it. I feel the same way about Dr Pepper! It tastes like cough syrup--and not the good cherry kind, LOL.What you're describing we'd call apple juice over here. Cider is what is made with a cider press and is the juice pressed from the apples with quite a bit of the fiber along with it--nothing added. Our lemonade--there are so many different kinds, but to me true lemonade is what is squeezed from the lemons and it has some pulp in it and lots of sugar and ice. The kind you get in lots of restaurants is reconstituted from powder and is sometimes artificially flavored--more a "lemonade flavored" drink than true lemonade.I love both--but apple cider is a fall drink, when the apples are in season --and lemonade is a summer drink because it really cools you down.In our area, in addition to the Root Beer we serve Birch Beer. It tastes about the same, just made from a different plant. When I was a kid I liked root beer--in fact Mom used to make it for us--but by the time I hit my teens it lost its appeal and now I don't much like it.KathyPlease visit our website at:http://ACES_Autoimmune.tripod.com

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That's the big question. I could absolutely live on sweets if I didn't know better.

Kathy

Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

Kathy,

In Australia "apple juice" is watered down and strained juice from apples. It is different to apple cider. I know what your apple cider is like because I was drinking it over there when I was there last month. I know it is thick and syruppy. It also has a much stronger taste than our apple juice.

However, what started me on this thread was that I've been having a lot of pain in my neck over the past week or so. When I read that e-mail about fructose I began to think it may be the apple juice I had started to drink in Australia since my return from America (I was having some America withdrawals). I've stopped drinking it again in the last 3 days and I notice my neck is getting better (it still isn't fully recovered but it's on its way). I was also eating some meusli with apple in it (must have been having a real apple crave!). I was having diahorrea hassles. Now I've also stopped this meusli and the diahorrea has gone.

Why do we crave stuff that is no good for us in our conditions?

How can I read what my body needs if it sends me these confused messages?

Robynklo5@... wrote:

That's my feelings exactly on Root Beer and Birch Beer, LOL. But most people seem to love it. I feel the same way about Dr Pepper! It tastes like cough syrup--and not the good cherry kind, LOL.What you're describing we'd call apple juice over here. Cider is what is made with a cider press and is the juice pressed from the apples with quite a bit of the fiber along with it--nothing added. Our lemonade--there are so many different kinds, but to me true lemonade is what is squeezed from the lemons and it has some pulp in it and lots of sugar and ice. The kind you get in lots of restaurants is reconstituted from powder and is sometimes artificially flavored--more a "lemonade flavored" drink than true lemonade.I love both--but apple cider is a fall drink, when the apples are in season --and lemonade is a summer drink because it really cools you down.In our area, in addition to the Root Beer we serve Birch Beer. It tastes about the same, just made from a different plant. When I was a kid I liked root beer--in fact Mom used to make it for us--but by the time I hit my teens it lost its appeal and now I don't much like it.KathyPlease visit our website at:http://ACES_Autoimmune.tripod.com

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Usually if it's just an occasional craving it's something the body is lacking

and we need to examine our diets to see what is missing, or sometimes it's our

comfort food, but if the craving is almost all the time it's a type of

addiction. I know I have a definite addiction to carbs, but I usually watch the

amount of them I eat--occasionally though I overdo for a day or so. The first

physical sign I get that I've overdone is a sore and somewhat swollen tongue,

then the IBS goes into high gear.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

I suppose I just get confused over what I need versus what I crave. I know that one lesson I learn years ago when the Crohn's first started was that I had been totally ignoring my body's signals before that. So I started to actually listen to my body. This included feeding it what it wanted rather than just what was available. When I did this I found that my Crohn's came under control. It meant that I had some strange diets for a while eating lots of one food and then not touching it for months. It also started me eating fish that prior to that I had hated (I still don't really like it but I eat it at times because I know I should or because my body wants it). But now I am confused as to why my body seems at least to be asking for apple juice when it seems to be making the arthritis worse. I'm going to have to pay more attention to what these messages mean. I can see that my craving for macaroni cheese may be a carb

addiction. I'm trying to work on that lately. I've cut it out of my diet completely (despite it being my favourite food - I'm such a good girl). But why apple? (I've also cut that out now in the last week) My husband jokes about the fact that I only eat Kikuyu grass now! I'm off to see a dietitian at a weight control clinic on Friday. I'm hoping she may be able to give me some advice on all this at the same time as trying to help me control my weight gain while I continue to have to take this Prednisone.

Robyn

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Well, of course you do need some carbs in your diet--bread isn't called the staff of life for nothing. That actually may be part of the reason you're craving apple since that's high in carbs.

Kathy

Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

Kathy,

I suppose I just get confused over what I need versus what I crave. I know that one lesson I learn years ago when the Crohn's first started was that I had been totally ignoring my body's signals before that. So I started to actually listen to my body. This included feeding it what it wanted rather than just what was available. When I did this I found that my Crohn's came under control. It meant that I had some strange diets for a while eating lots of one food and then not touching it for months. It also started me eating fish that prior to that I had hated (I still don't really like it but I eat it at times because I know I should or because my body wants it). But now I am confused as to why my body seems at least to be asking for apple juice when it seems to be making the arthritis worse. I'm going to have to pay more attention to what these messages mean. I can see that my craving for macaroni cheese may be a carb addiction. I'm trying to work on that lately. I've cut it out of my diet completely (despite it being my favourite food - I'm such a good girl). But why apple? (I've also cut that out now in the last week) My husband jokes about the fact that I only eat Kikuyu grass now! I'm off to see a dietitian at a weight control clinic on Friday. I'm hoping she may be able to give me some advice on all this at the same time as trying to help me control my weight gain while I continue to have to take this Prednisone.

Robyn

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Something that a lot of people enjoy in the States is ginger ale...I personally can't stand it. Instead of making me feel better when my stomach's upset it makes me feel worse. ICK!Sharon

Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

I believe there is a link with my Crohns between lactose and fructose but I am still trying to assertain the exact link. I'd be interested in other people's opinions

RobynJane Hutchinson wrote:

ACG: Fructose Linked to Irritable Bowel Symptoms

By Charlene LainoBALTIMORE, MD -- October 17, 2003 -- A fructose-restricted diet can help improve symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) and fructose intolerance, a new study shows.Young K. Choi, MD, gastroenterologist, University of Iowa, Iowa City, United States, reported the findings here on October 14th at the 68th Annual Meeting of the American College of Gastroenterology.The researchers tested 80 patients with suspected IBS; 30 had positive fructose breath tests. The patients received oral and written dietary instructions regarding what foods are high in fructose, and they were urged to avoid them.While not as well known as lactose intolerance, fructose intolerance is quite common, with previous research by the same researchers showing it affects 30% to 58% of patients with symptoms of IBS.After 1 year, 26 patients were available for a follow-up evaluation that included a structured interview to assess their dietary compliance and symptom patterns. Only 54% of participants reported that they remained on the fructose-restricted diet for a significant amount of time, Dr. Choi reported.Those who did stick with the program, however, reported significantly less abdominal pain, bloating and diarrhoea than before changing their diets (P<0.05), said Dr. Choi. Not surprisingly, noncompliant patients showed no improvement in symptoms.On the Rome 1 scale, only 43% of patients who complied with the fructose-restricted diet continued to have symptoms of IBS, compared with 75% of those who continued to eat fructose-rich foods.Eleven of 14 (79%) patients who avoided fructose reported a strong correlation between occasional noncompliance and symptoms, the study showed, compared with only one of 12 (8%) noncompliant patients. G. Locke, III, MD, Associate Professor of Medicine, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota, United States, questioned whether patients in the study really had IBS. "We used to think people who were intolerant to milk had IBS, but now we know they have lactose intolerance," Dr. Locke said. "The same thing could be happening here. It's a matter of labeling."The important message, said Yuri A. Saito, MD, MPH, also of the Mayo Clinic, is to "educate patients that fructose can cause these symptoms. The general public is not aware of this," she added.[study title: How Useful Is A Fructose-Restricted Diet in Patients with IBS and Fructose Intolerance? Abstract 547]

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Kathy,

I didn't realise apples were high in carbs. What about apple juice? That's what I was craving in the last couple of weeks but which seems to be giving me arthritis. Is that high in carbs? But also, if my body is craving for apple juice does it necessarily mean I should be eating it? What is the difference between craving for pasta and craving for apple juice?

I'd be interested in your response to this. It is all new to me - this line of thinking.

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Well, of course you do need some carbs in your diet--bread isn't called the staff of life for nothing. That actually may be part of the reason you're craving apple since that's high in carbs.

Kathy

Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

Kathy,

I suppose I just get confused over what I need versus what I crave. I know that one lesson I learn years ago when the Crohn's first started was that I had been totally ignoring my body's signals before that. So I started to actually listen to my body. This included feeding it what it wanted rather than just what was available. When I did this I found that my Crohn's came under control. It meant that I had some strange diets for a while eating lots of one food and then not touching it for months. It also started me eating fish that prior to that I had hated (I still don't really like it but I eat it at times because I know I should or because my body wants it). But now I am confused as to why my body seems at least to be asking for apple juice when it seems to be making the arthritis worse. I'm going to have to pay more attention to what these messages mean. I can see that my craving for macaroni cheese may be a carb

addiction. I'm trying to work on that lately. I've cut it out of my diet completely (despite it being my favourite food - I'm such a good girl). But why apple? (I've also cut that out now in the last week) My husband jokes about the fact that I only eat Kikuyu grass now! I'm off to see a dietitian at a weight control clinic on Friday. I'm hoping she may be able to give me some advice on all this at the same time as trying to help me control my weight gain while I continue to have to take this Prednisone.

Robyn

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Anything with any kind of sugar in it has carbs. Sugars are simple carbs, fiber is complex carbs.

The difference between why you crave one thing over another is complicated because sometimes we have cravings based on emotional needs--comfort foods when we're stressed, for example--and sometimes we have cravings as our body tries to tell us it needs something. You may have only been craving apple juice because you had a nice trip to America and the apples were in season and the fragrance of the apples triggered certain endorphins. In which case burning an apple scented candle can get rid of that craving. OTOH maybe the apples weren't causing your arthritis flare, but were getting rid of some toxin in the body that it needed to shed. Since apple-juice is hard on your Crohn's, though, I'd avoid it. They say if you have cooked apples that problem is over-come--applesauce for example is supposed to be fairly easy on the gut. Another way to avoid the problem would be to balance it with something else that has another effect. Bananas, for example,have an enzyme that is supposed to be good for the digestive system if you tend toward diarrhea. Pineapple also has a digestive enzyme of some kind, as does papaya, etc, but they are all different enzymes. It really gets quite complicated. I hope you have a good dietician.

I think way back when food was only for survival and people were more in touch with their bodies our cravings would have told us what it needed--building up fat for a long winter, etc. Now it's pretty much a crap shoot. Even if we become really in touch with our bodies we still have the history of what our Mom's fed us as kids, etc.

Apple juice has carbs also, of course.

I think a general rule of thumb is that if your craving is satisfied by eating a moderate amount of something your body probably needed it, if you could eat something until you burst it's most likely an emotional thing.

There are so many schools of though on this stuff, too. Some are backed by scientific evidence, some can't be. For example there is a school of thought that if you don't normally crave sugar and suddenly do your body may need the "crystalline energy" that sugar provides, and if you eat a small amount under those circumstances you won't have the energy drop that usually follows eating sugary foods.

Sorry to go on so long about this, I've been doing alot of reading, LOL.

I think the best rule is probably moderation in all things--there really aren't "bad foods" just bad ways these foods are used. Remember that artificial colors and flavors are not foods. The closer to the earth the food is, the better (in other words fresh and whole is better in general than preserved and processed).

Also, the better we know ourselves the easier it becomes to interpret our cravings. I know that when I was a kid candy and soda were for special occasions and that is why I crave them alot--they have happy memories. Since taste and smell are so tied together scented candles and oils can really help with cravings for foods we need to avoid. There are also certain pleasant odors that decrease or stimulate the appetite, but I don't have that info in front of me. I do know that my apple cinnamon candle seems to help with my sweets cravings.

Hope this helped some.

Kathy

Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

Kathy,

I suppose I just get confused over what I need versus what I crave. I know that one lesson I learn years ago when the Crohn's first started was that I had been totally ignoring my body's signals before that. So I started to actually listen to my body. This included feeding it what it wanted rather than just what was available. When I did this I found that my Crohn's came under control. It meant that I had some strange diets for a while eating lots of one food and then not touching it for months. It also started me eating fish that prior to that I had hated (I still don't really like it but I eat it at times because I know I should or because my body wants it). But now I am confused as to why my body seems at least to be asking for apple juice when it seems to be making the arthritis worse. I'm going to have to pay more attention to what these messages mean. I can see that my craving for macaroni cheese may be a carb addiction. I'm trying to work on that lately. I've cut it out of my diet completely (despite it being my favourite food - I'm such a good girl). But why apple? (I've also cut that out now in the last week) My husband jokes about the fact that I only eat Kikuyu grass now! I'm off to see a dietitian at a weight control clinic on Friday. I'm hoping she may be able to give me some advice on all this at the same time as trying to help me control my weight gain while I continue to have to take this Prednisone.

Robyn

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Does that help explain my craving for carbs? I have to stay on a low fiber diet because of the Crohn's. Maybe my body is trying to substitute carbs & sugar for the fiber?

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Since fiber is complex carbs, that would be my guess, but it could just be the American diet that creates a carb addiction in so many of us.

Maybe cooked fruit will slack the cravings? Can you eat that?

Kathy

Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

Anything with any kind of sugar in it has carbs. Sugars are simple carbs, fiber is complex carbs.

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Thanks Kathy for all this. I've never thought of a scented candle when I'm hungry. I know that when I was seriously dieting before the Crohn's I used to drink water and then brush my teeth when I was craving for food and this stopped me overeating and helped me lose weight. I don't know whether the candle would do the same thing.

I recognise that some hunger is "emotional" rather than real need. It's a bit like "mental health days" when you are working. I believe both are useful as long as you recognise what you are really doing as long as you don't overdo it.

I've always had a major hassle with any fruit since the Crohn's. I tolerate bananas but nothing else, even juice. It's a real shame because I love fruit. We are coming into our summer stone fruit season soon. It brings tears to my eyes to go to the supermarket then and have to walk past all that gorgeous fruit. Oh well . . .

(((Hugs)))

Robyne O'Hara wrote:

Anything with any kind of sugar in it has carbs. Sugars are simple carbs, fiber is complex carbs.

The difference between why you crave one thing over another is complicated because sometimes we have cravings based on emotional needs--comfort foods when we're stressed, for example--and sometimes we have cravings as our body tries to tell us it needs something. You may have only been craving apple juice because you had a nice trip to America and the apples were in season and the fragrance of the apples triggered certain endorphins. In which case burning an apple scented candle can get rid of that craving. OTOH maybe the apples weren't causing your arthritis flare, but were getting rid of some toxin in the body that it needed to shed. Since apple-juice is hard on your Crohn's, though, I'd avoid it. They say if you have cooked apples that problem is over-come--applesauce for example is supposed to be fairly easy on the gut. Another way to avoid the problem would be to balance it

with something else that has another effect. Bananas, for example,have an enzyme that is supposed to be good for the digestive system if you tend toward diarrhea. Pineapple also has a digestive enzyme of some kind, as does papaya, etc, but they are all different enzymes. It really gets quite complicated. I hope you have a good dietician.

I think way back when food was only for survival and people were more in touch with their bodies our cravings would have told us what it needed--building up fat for a long winter, etc. Now it's pretty much a crap shoot. Even if we become really in touch with our bodies we still have the history of what our Mom's fed us as kids, etc.

Apple juice has carbs also, of course.

I think a general rule of thumb is that if your craving is satisfied by eating a moderate amount of something your body probably needed it, if you could eat something until you burst it's most likely an emotional thing.

There are so many schools of though on this stuff, too. Some are backed by scientific evidence, some can't be. For example there is a school of thought that if you don't normally crave sugar and suddenly do your body may need the "crystalline energy" that sugar provides, and if you eat a small amount under those circumstances you won't have the energy drop that usually follows eating sugary foods.

Sorry to go on so long about this, I've been doing alot of reading, LOL.

I think the best rule is probably moderation in all things--there really aren't "bad foods" just bad ways these foods are used. Remember that artificial colors and flavors are not foods. The closer to the earth the food is, the better (in other words fresh and whole is better in general than preserved and processed).

Also, the better we know ourselves the easier it becomes to interpret our cravings. I know that when I was a kid candy and soda were for special occasions and that is why I crave them alot--they have happy memories. Since taste and smell are so tied together scented candles and oils can really help with cravings for foods we need to avoid. There are also certain pleasant odors that decrease or stimulate the appetite, but I don't have that info in front of me. I do know that my apple cinnamon candle seems to help with my sweets cravings.

Hope this helped some.

Kathy

Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

Kathy,

I suppose I just get confused over what I need versus what I crave. I know that one lesson I learn years ago when the Crohn's first started was that I had been totally ignoring my body's signals before that. So I started to actually listen to my body. This included feeding it what it wanted rather than just what was available. When I did this I found that my Crohn's came under control. It meant that I had some strange diets for a while eating lots of one food and then not touching it for months. It also started me eating fish that prior to that I had hated (I still don't really like it but I eat it at times because I know I should or because my body wants it). But now I am confused as to why my body seems at least to be asking for apple juice when it seems to be making the arthritis worse. I'm going to have to pay more attention to what these messages mean. I can see that my craving for macaroni cheese may be a carb

addiction. I'm trying to work on that lately. I've cut it out of my diet completely (despite it being my favourite food - I'm such a good girl). But why apple? (I've also cut that out now in the last week) My husband jokes about the fact that I only eat Kikuyu grass now! I'm off to see a dietitian at a weight control clinic on Friday. I'm hoping she may be able to give me some advice on all this at the same time as trying to help me control my weight gain while I continue to have to take this Prednisone.

Robyn

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I believe that because I actually digest so little of the food I put into my mouth because of the Crohn's that I crave sugar and carbs to actually give me energy to get through each day. Is this what it's like for you? My husband talks about my diet being like "mush" because even when I eat vegetables etc I have to steam them etc and then I add a sauce so that I can swallow them. So they are pretty soft by the time I actually eat them (even though I love al dente vegetables!) for breakfast I also have weetbix that I soak in soy milk for at least 30 minutes before I eat them. So that meal, also, is mushy. Still at least I'm able to eat and at least I haven't had to have my colon removed.

(((Hugs)))

Robyn wrote:

Does that help explain my craving for carbs? I have to stay on a low fiber diet because of the Crohn's. Maybe my body is trying to substitute carbs & sugar for the fiber?

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I eat bananas almost every day, & lots of applesauce. I also have other cooked fruit sometimes, but not often. I'll try eating more cooked fruit.

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Since fiber is complex carbs, that would be my guess, but it could just be the American diet that creates a carb addiction in so many of us.

Maybe cooked fruit will slack the cravings? Can you eat that?

Kathy

Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

Anything with any kind of sugar in it has carbs. Sugars are simple carbs, fiber is complex carbs.

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Robyn,

I can eat better now than at many times in my life. I know that often I find myself eating sugar, carbs, & caffeine just to keep going. I'm doing better about it right now, but then I think I'm digesting my food better. I don't digest fat since my resection in 1992, so I can't eat much fat; I think that's a reason for my cravings too.

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Have you ever had Cheerwine?

e O'Hara wrote:

I don't

know if I've ever tasted Mr Pibb.

Kathy

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Friday, October 24, 2003 3:24 PM

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Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

i dated someone once who said that mr

pibb was only carbonated prune juice. i know better but the image sticks

in my mind and i wont touch it or dr pepper. lol

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Friday, October 24, 2003 6:53 AM

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Re: Fructose Linked to IBS

That's my feelings exactly on Root Beer and Birch Beer, LOL.

But most people seem to love it. I feel the same way about Dr Pepper!

It tastes like cough syrup--and not the good cherry kind, LOL.

What you're describing we'd call apple juice over here. Cider is what

is made with a cider press and is the juice pressed from the apples with quite a bit of the fiber along with it--nothing added. Our lemonade--there

are so many different kinds, but to me true lemonade is what is squeezed

from the lemons and it has some pulp in it and lots of sugar and ice.

The kind you get in lots of restaurants is reconstituted from powder

and is sometimes artificially flavored--more a "lemonade flavored" drink

than true lemonade.

I love both--but apple cider is a fall drink, when the apples are in

season --and lemonade is a summer drink because it really cools you

down.

In our area, in addition to the Root Beer we serve Birch Beer. It tastes

about the same, just made from a different plant. When I was a kid

I liked root beer--in fact Mom used to make it for us--but by the time

I hit my teens it lost its appeal and now I don't much like it.

Kathy

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Never even heard of it!

Kathy