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Hi Sara,

My name is Cari and my son has been living with JDMS for 3 years this

month. He is doing remarkably well. He will be 6 on Jan. 30th. How old is

your Shelby? I have a Shelby too. She will be 10 on Jan. 30th.

A group for parents of children with JDMS would be very helpful. I have

been corresonding with the amazing people on this site for almost 3 years.

With children, who have learned to live with this disease, I find them to

not be very verbal about how they are feeling. In 's case, he doesn't

remember a time when he didn't have it so his " normal " is a little skewed.

It is hard to get a handle on how is feeling compared to yesterday, or

last week, or before he went out and played in 30 degree weather, etc.... I

have found the adults on this site to be invaluable as far as being able to

bounce different symptoms off of them and then getting the feedback on how

they feel. They gave me an insight into the disease that can not.

They are 's " voice " for me. He insists he is " fine " even when he has

been laying on the floor, unmoving for a couple of hours. 's Dr. is

very receptive to what the friends on my yahoogroups site have to say on

different things that have come up.

Where do you live? How is Shelby doing? What meds is she on? Looking

forward to getting to know you and your Shelby, and welcome.

Cari

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>Reply-To: OurMyositis

>To: OurMyositis

>Subject: New here

>Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:32:44 -0000

>

>Hi! My name is Sara. My daughter, Shelby, has been living with JDMS

>for almost 2 years. I wondered if there was much discussion from

>parents of children with JDMS. I've made some new friends through my

>web site, but wanted a central spot for everyone to be able to keep

>in touch. Would you suggest I start a new group .. or ?? Help!

>

>I've done a bit of browsing through messages so far, everyone seems

>really nice.

>

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***Did your son suffer any kind of physical trauma from the moped accident?

It's kind of strange, but maybe that triggered what we commonly call a flare-up

of the IgAN. It's kind of strange, but maybe that triggered what we commonly

call a flare-up of the IgAN. . ***

The only complaint he had about the accident was his back started hurting

about an hour after the accident. Other than that, he had no complaints at all.

There is no doubt in my mind that this disease has been here for awhile, I

was mainly just wondering if the accident could have caused the *flare-up*.

If 5 of the 15 glomeruli were scarred........what does that mean? Is that a

lot or just the beginning......or can you even tell with those #'s?

Sorry for all the questions. His Nephrologist has basically left us out in

left field with this. He said to go home and let it all soak in, then he'd

discuss things with us in a month when he goes back. ARGH! I'm really not

happy

with the way he's left us hanging so to speak. <sigh>

Thanks so much for your response,

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***Did your son suffer any kind of physical trauma from the moped accident?

It's kind of strange, but maybe that triggered what we commonly call a flare-up

of the IgAN. It's kind of strange, but maybe that triggered what we commonly

call a flare-up of the IgAN. . ***

The only complaint he had about the accident was his back started hurting

about an hour after the accident. Other than that, he had no complaints at all.

There is no doubt in my mind that this disease has been here for awhile, I

was mainly just wondering if the accident could have caused the *flare-up*.

If 5 of the 15 glomeruli were scarred........what does that mean? Is that a

lot or just the beginning......or can you even tell with those #'s?

Sorry for all the questions. His Nephrologist has basically left us out in

left field with this. He said to go home and let it all soak in, then he'd

discuss things with us in a month when he goes back. ARGH! I'm really not

happy

with the way he's left us hanging so to speak. <sigh>

Thanks so much for your response,

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***Did your son suffer any kind of physical trauma from the moped accident?

It's kind of strange, but maybe that triggered what we commonly call a flare-up

of the IgAN. It's kind of strange, but maybe that triggered what we commonly

call a flare-up of the IgAN. . ***

The only complaint he had about the accident was his back started hurting

about an hour after the accident. Other than that, he had no complaints at all.

There is no doubt in my mind that this disease has been here for awhile, I

was mainly just wondering if the accident could have caused the *flare-up*.

If 5 of the 15 glomeruli were scarred........what does that mean? Is that a

lot or just the beginning......or can you even tell with those #'s?

Sorry for all the questions. His Nephrologist has basically left us out in

left field with this. He said to go home and let it all soak in, then he'd

discuss things with us in a month when he goes back. ARGH! I'm really not

happy

with the way he's left us hanging so to speak. <sigh>

Thanks so much for your response,

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Hi .

I just read your email, but I don't have time for a long answer right now,

as I have to leave for my dialysis. Here are some idea I'm just throwing

out.

That's quite a coincidence that he would get kidney disease at the same time

as an accident like that. I remember when they first found blood in my

urine, I assumed it was from a blow to my back I got from playing soccer the

week before. In my case, it seems it really was just a coincidence. In your

son's case, if the biopsy found IgAN, we have to assume he does have IgAN,

as the pathological signs of IgAN do take a while to develop in the kidneys.

He probably already had it for some time, if 5 out 15 glomeruli are

sclerosed (scarred, as it appears from your description), without anyone

knowing it was happening (often, there are just no symptoms that would lead

anyone to suspect it at all, until there's a flare-up with visible blood in

the urine. By that time, it's possible to have already lost some kidney

function (not necessarily though). Did your son suffer any kind of physical

trauma from the moped accident? It's kind of strange, but maybe that

triggered what we commonly call a flare-up of the IgAN. Yes, high

cholesterol is often a feature of IgAN. However, bilirubin, as far as I know

(and I'm just a patient, not a doctor), if elevated, usually indicates a

liver problem, or a blocked bile duct. It's not really a feature of IgAN.

Any chance he could have an injury in there from the accident? I'm sort of

out in left field with this, but there's a very remote chance that if he

did, it might actually make the IgAN more apparent than it might otherwise

be (but that's not what would have caused the scarring they found in the

biopsy - too soon).

Vasotec is thought to help lower proteinuria and prevent or slow the

progression of this kidney disease. They commonly prescribe it (or any

number of similar drugs) nowadays even if the blood pressure isn't high.

Pierre

New Here

> Hi!

> I just joined this list. My 13 year old son was diagnosed 4 days ago.

There

> is so much to learn and I'm so confused about it all.

> I do have a question or maybe just wanting your opinion......

> In Sept my son was on his moped and ran into a car that ran a stop sign.

He

> walked away from the accident with a couple minor bruises. We took him to

the

> ER to get checked out, just in case. The doctor took a urine sample and

came

> back in saying there were traces of blood in his urine so they did a CAT

> scan. We were sent home and the Radiologist called the next day saying

the CAT

> scan showed bruising to the kidney but no apparant rips or tears in the

kidney.

> He went to the Family doctor weekly to have his urine checked. After 3

weeks

> with no improvement, the Family doctor sent him to a Urologist. The

> Urologist did a cystoscopy (sp???) and everything came out fine. After

many weeks of

> blood work, urine tests and doctors visits they decided to send him to a

> Nephrologist. The Nephrologist was stumped and ended up saying to give it

a month

> to see if there was any improvements. We returned a month later, with no

> improvements. His urine was getting darker and darker with lots of

Protein. The

> Nephrologist finally ordered a kidney biopsy. We were told Tuesday that

he

> has IgA. It was a shock since we thought all along this was trauma to the

> kidney from the accident.

> He said 5 of the 15 cells in the biopsy were dead. What does that mean???

> Also, from what I've been reading, most of the time IgA shows itself after

> the flu or some sort of illness. My son has never even been on an

antibiotic or

> had an ear infection before. He's had the Chicken Pox 11 years ago and

> that's it. Could the accident have caused Disease to show itself?? His

urine has

> always been normal looking, including the night of the accident, but 2

days

> later it started getting darker and darker until now it looks like black

coffee.

> He has another follow up appointment in 1 month. The Nephrologist has not

> went over any type of diet or restrictions. He did put him on Vasotec for

blood

> pressure although his blood pressure isn't high. I'm assuming this is a

> preventative?? Also, in all the blood tests he's had, his cholesterol is

always

> high. Is this normal with the disease? Another thing that has me worried

with

> the blood tests is that his bilirubin levels are high. None of the

doctors

> have commented on that. When I asked his Neprologist this last week he

said

> he'd look into it and get back with me. I can't remember the exact

numbers, but

> if the normal range of bilirubin was like 0.2 through 0.8, my sons was

like

> 4.3 which is extremely high imo. Does that have something to do with IgA

also?

>

> Sorry for all the questions, I just have no clue where to start right now

and

> am still somewhat in a state of shock.

>

> Thanks so much,

> in IN

>

>

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Hi .

I just read your email, but I don't have time for a long answer right now,

as I have to leave for my dialysis. Here are some idea I'm just throwing

out.

That's quite a coincidence that he would get kidney disease at the same time

as an accident like that. I remember when they first found blood in my

urine, I assumed it was from a blow to my back I got from playing soccer the

week before. In my case, it seems it really was just a coincidence. In your

son's case, if the biopsy found IgAN, we have to assume he does have IgAN,

as the pathological signs of IgAN do take a while to develop in the kidneys.

He probably already had it for some time, if 5 out 15 glomeruli are

sclerosed (scarred, as it appears from your description), without anyone

knowing it was happening (often, there are just no symptoms that would lead

anyone to suspect it at all, until there's a flare-up with visible blood in

the urine. By that time, it's possible to have already lost some kidney

function (not necessarily though). Did your son suffer any kind of physical

trauma from the moped accident? It's kind of strange, but maybe that

triggered what we commonly call a flare-up of the IgAN. Yes, high

cholesterol is often a feature of IgAN. However, bilirubin, as far as I know

(and I'm just a patient, not a doctor), if elevated, usually indicates a

liver problem, or a blocked bile duct. It's not really a feature of IgAN.

Any chance he could have an injury in there from the accident? I'm sort of

out in left field with this, but there's a very remote chance that if he

did, it might actually make the IgAN more apparent than it might otherwise

be (but that's not what would have caused the scarring they found in the

biopsy - too soon).

Vasotec is thought to help lower proteinuria and prevent or slow the

progression of this kidney disease. They commonly prescribe it (or any

number of similar drugs) nowadays even if the blood pressure isn't high.

Pierre

New Here

> Hi!

> I just joined this list. My 13 year old son was diagnosed 4 days ago.

There

> is so much to learn and I'm so confused about it all.

> I do have a question or maybe just wanting your opinion......

> In Sept my son was on his moped and ran into a car that ran a stop sign.

He

> walked away from the accident with a couple minor bruises. We took him to

the

> ER to get checked out, just in case. The doctor took a urine sample and

came

> back in saying there were traces of blood in his urine so they did a CAT

> scan. We were sent home and the Radiologist called the next day saying

the CAT

> scan showed bruising to the kidney but no apparant rips or tears in the

kidney.

> He went to the Family doctor weekly to have his urine checked. After 3

weeks

> with no improvement, the Family doctor sent him to a Urologist. The

> Urologist did a cystoscopy (sp???) and everything came out fine. After

many weeks of

> blood work, urine tests and doctors visits they decided to send him to a

> Nephrologist. The Nephrologist was stumped and ended up saying to give it

a month

> to see if there was any improvements. We returned a month later, with no

> improvements. His urine was getting darker and darker with lots of

Protein. The

> Nephrologist finally ordered a kidney biopsy. We were told Tuesday that

he

> has IgA. It was a shock since we thought all along this was trauma to the

> kidney from the accident.

> He said 5 of the 15 cells in the biopsy were dead. What does that mean???

> Also, from what I've been reading, most of the time IgA shows itself after

> the flu or some sort of illness. My son has never even been on an

antibiotic or

> had an ear infection before. He's had the Chicken Pox 11 years ago and

> that's it. Could the accident have caused Disease to show itself?? His

urine has

> always been normal looking, including the night of the accident, but 2

days

> later it started getting darker and darker until now it looks like black

coffee.

> He has another follow up appointment in 1 month. The Nephrologist has not

> went over any type of diet or restrictions. He did put him on Vasotec for

blood

> pressure although his blood pressure isn't high. I'm assuming this is a

> preventative?? Also, in all the blood tests he's had, his cholesterol is

always

> high. Is this normal with the disease? Another thing that has me worried

with

> the blood tests is that his bilirubin levels are high. None of the

doctors

> have commented on that. When I asked his Neprologist this last week he

said

> he'd look into it and get back with me. I can't remember the exact

numbers, but

> if the normal range of bilirubin was like 0.2 through 0.8, my sons was

like

> 4.3 which is extremely high imo. Does that have something to do with IgA

also?

>

> Sorry for all the questions, I just have no clue where to start right now

and

> am still somewhat in a state of shock.

>

> Thanks so much,

> in IN

>

>

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what is bilirubin?????????,,,,,,,,,crystal

All I know (at least I think) is that it has something to do with his liver.

When my oldest son was a tiny baby, his bilirubin levels were high and they

said he was jaundice. So I'm guessing it has something to do with that, but

not sure.

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what is bilirubin?????????,,,,,,,,,crystal

All I know (at least I think) is that it has something to do with his liver.

When my oldest son was a tiny baby, his bilirubin levels were high and they

said he was jaundice. So I'm guessing it has something to do with that, but

not sure.

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what is bilirubin?????????,,,,,,,,,crystal

All I know (at least I think) is that it has something to do with his liver.

When my oldest son was a tiny baby, his bilirubin levels were high and they

said he was jaundice. So I'm guessing it has something to do with that, but

not sure.

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,

My son was also diagnosed at 13. According to the pediatric nephrologist who

treated him, early adolescence is a fairly common time for IgAN to flare up,

at least in boys. Obviously, it can show up earlier or later, but he

suggested that perhaps at that age, it has something to do with increase in

growth hormones, etc. I would suspect that it's just coincidental that your

son was involved in the accident and bruised his kidney around the time the

IgAN was beginning to show up. IgAN is a systemic disease which affects both

kidneys, and the accident apparently only bruised one, and, as far as I

know, bruising of the kidney would not cause IgA deposits to be there when

he had the renal biopsy.

When my son started showing symptoms (cola colored urine), we were first

told by the pediatrician that it was probably post-strep glomerulonephritis.

When I pointed out he had only had strep once when he was 5, we were told

that there were " silent " cases of strep with no symptoms and not to worry

because post-strep gn resolves on its own after a few weeks. Long story

short - it turned out to be IgAN. The nephrologist suspected IgAN right away

but didn't do a biopsy until he began to spill more protein in his urine.

Initially he was put on lisinopril, an ACE inhibitor for blood pressure like

Vasotec, even though like your son his bp was normal. It is preventative,

and the ACE inhibitors are especially good for IgAN because they decrease

pressure within the kidneys specifically. He also took Omega 3 fish oil

capsules.

I'm not certain what the 5 cells out of 15 being dead in the biopsy meant,

but I'm guessing it refers to the number of glomeruli in the sample and that

5 out of 15 had scarring (crescents). That would suggest a fair amount of

scarring but not extreme. The percentage of crescents in the biopsy sample

is a pretty good indicator for how advanced the disease is. I would ask the

nephrologist about this specifically. At biopsy, my son had about 30%

crescenting, but serum creatinine and kidney function were both normal at

that time. The amount of protein being spilled in the urine is a more

significant indicator of the seriousness of the disease than the amount of

blood in the urine. Of course, blood in the urine is dramatic, but many IgAN

patients never or rarely have visible blood.

My son did well until he was 18, and then kidney function began to decline

and we did a transplant when he was 21. He's 24 now and doing fine. There

are several subtypes of IgAN, some of which progress very slowly and may

never reach kidney failure, some are rapid-progressing, and his type was

sort of in the middle. I hope your son's is the slow kind and things

stabilize soon for him. Let me know if you have other questions.

Take care -

Betsy

> Hi!

> I just joined this list. My 13 year old son was diagnosed 4 days ago. There

> is so much to learn and I'm so confused about it all.

> I do have a question or maybe just wanting your opinion......

> In Sept my son was on his moped and ran into a car that ran a stop sign. He

> walked away from the accident with a couple minor bruises. We took him to the

> ER to get checked out, just in case. The doctor took a urine sample and came

> back in saying there were traces of blood in his urine so they did a CAT

> scan. We were sent home and the Radiologist called the next day saying the

> CAT

> scan showed bruising to the kidney but no apparant rips or tears in the

> kidney.

> He went to the Family doctor weekly to have his urine checked. After 3 weeks

> with no improvement, the Family doctor sent him to a Urologist. The

> Urologist did a cystoscopy (sp???) and everything came out fine. After many

> weeks of

> blood work, urine tests and doctors visits they decided to send him to a

> Nephrologist. The Nephrologist was stumped and ended up saying to give it a

> month

> to see if there was any improvements. We returned a month later, with no

> improvements. His urine was getting darker and darker with lots of Protein.

> The

> Nephrologist finally ordered a kidney biopsy. We were told Tuesday that he

> has IgA. It was a shock since we thought all along this was trauma to the

> kidney from the accident.

> He said 5 of the 15 cells in the biopsy were dead. What does that mean???

> Also, from what I've been reading, most of the time IgA shows itself after

> the flu or some sort of illness. My son has never even been on an antibiotic

> or

> had an ear infection before. He's had the Chicken Pox 11 years ago and

> that's it. Could the accident have caused Disease to show itself?? His urine

> has

> always been normal looking, including the night of the accident, but 2 days

> later it started getting darker and darker until now it looks like black

> coffee.

> He has another follow up appointment in 1 month. The Nephrologist has not

> went over any type of diet or restrictions. He did put him on Vasotec for

> blood

> pressure although his blood pressure isn't high. I'm assuming this is a

> preventative?? Also, in all the blood tests he's had, his cholesterol is

> always

> high. Is this normal with the disease? Another thing that has me worried

> with

> the blood tests is that his bilirubin levels are high. None of the doctors

> have commented on that. When I asked his Neprologist this last week he said

> he'd look into it and get back with me. I can't remember the exact numbers,

> but

> if the normal range of bilirubin was like 0.2 through 0.8, my sons was like

> 4.3 which is extremely high imo. Does that have something to do with IgA

> also?

>

> Sorry for all the questions, I just have no clue where to start right now and

> am still somewhat in a state of shock.

>

> Thanks so much,

> in IN

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My son was also diagnosed at 13. According to the pediatric nephrologist who

treated him, early adolescence is a fairly common time for IgAN to flare up,

at least in boys. Obviously, it can show up earlier or later, but he

suggested that perhaps at that age, it has something to do with increase in

growth hormones, etc. I would suspect that it's just coincidental that your

son was involved in the accident and bruised his kidney around the time the

IgAN was beginning to show up. IgAN is a systemic disease which affects both

kidneys, and the accident apparently only bruised one, and, as far as I

know, bruising of the kidney would not cause IgA deposits to be there when

he had the renal biopsy.

When my son started showing symptoms (cola colored urine), we were first

told by the pediatrician that it was probably post-strep glomerulonephritis.

When I pointed out he had only had strep once when he was 5, we were told

that there were " silent " cases of strep with no symptoms and not to worry

because post-strep gn resolves on its own after a few weeks. Long story

short - it turned out to be IgAN. The nephrologist suspected IgAN right away

but didn't do a biopsy until he began to spill more protein in his urine.

Initially he was put on lisinopril, an ACE inhibitor for blood pressure like

Vasotec, even though like your son his bp was normal. It is preventative,

and the ACE inhibitors are especially good for IgAN because they decrease

pressure within the kidneys specifically. He also took Omega 3 fish oil

capsules.

I'm not certain what the 5 cells out of 15 being dead in the biopsy meant,

but I'm guessing it refers to the number of glomeruli in the sample and that

5 out of 15 had scarring (crescents). That would suggest a fair amount of

scarring but not extreme. The percentage of crescents in the biopsy sample

is a pretty good indicator for how advanced the disease is. I would ask the

nephrologist about this specifically. At biopsy, my son had about 30%

crescenting, but serum creatinine and kidney function were both normal at

that time. The amount of protein being spilled in the urine is a more

significant indicator of the seriousness of the disease than the amount of

blood in the urine. Of course, blood in the urine is dramatic, but many IgAN

patients never or rarely have visible blood.

My son did well until he was 18, and then kidney function began to decline

and we did a transplant when he was 21. He's 24 now and doing fine. There

are several subtypes of IgAN, some of which progress very slowly and may

never reach kidney failure, some are rapid-progressing, and his type was

sort of in the middle. I hope your son's is the slow kind and things

stabilize soon for him. Let me know if you have other questions.

Take care -

Betsy

> Hi!

> I just joined this list. My 13 year old son was diagnosed 4 days ago. There

> is so much to learn and I'm so confused about it all.

> I do have a question or maybe just wanting your opinion......

> In Sept my son was on his moped and ran into a car that ran a stop sign. He

> walked away from the accident with a couple minor bruises. We took him to the

> ER to get checked out, just in case. The doctor took a urine sample and came

> back in saying there were traces of blood in his urine so they did a CAT

> scan. We were sent home and the Radiologist called the next day saying the

> CAT

> scan showed bruising to the kidney but no apparant rips or tears in the

> kidney.

> He went to the Family doctor weekly to have his urine checked. After 3 weeks

> with no improvement, the Family doctor sent him to a Urologist. The

> Urologist did a cystoscopy (sp???) and everything came out fine. After many

> weeks of

> blood work, urine tests and doctors visits they decided to send him to a

> Nephrologist. The Nephrologist was stumped and ended up saying to give it a

> month

> to see if there was any improvements. We returned a month later, with no

> improvements. His urine was getting darker and darker with lots of Protein.

> The

> Nephrologist finally ordered a kidney biopsy. We were told Tuesday that he

> has IgA. It was a shock since we thought all along this was trauma to the

> kidney from the accident.

> He said 5 of the 15 cells in the biopsy were dead. What does that mean???

> Also, from what I've been reading, most of the time IgA shows itself after

> the flu or some sort of illness. My son has never even been on an antibiotic

> or

> had an ear infection before. He's had the Chicken Pox 11 years ago and

> that's it. Could the accident have caused Disease to show itself?? His urine

> has

> always been normal looking, including the night of the accident, but 2 days

> later it started getting darker and darker until now it looks like black

> coffee.

> He has another follow up appointment in 1 month. The Nephrologist has not

> went over any type of diet or restrictions. He did put him on Vasotec for

> blood

> pressure although his blood pressure isn't high. I'm assuming this is a

> preventative?? Also, in all the blood tests he's had, his cholesterol is

> always

> high. Is this normal with the disease? Another thing that has me worried

> with

> the blood tests is that his bilirubin levels are high. None of the doctors

> have commented on that. When I asked his Neprologist this last week he said

> he'd look into it and get back with me. I can't remember the exact numbers,

> but

> if the normal range of bilirubin was like 0.2 through 0.8, my sons was like

> 4.3 which is extremely high imo. Does that have something to do with IgA

> also?

>

> Sorry for all the questions, I just have no clue where to start right now and

> am still somewhat in a state of shock.

>

> Thanks so much,

> in IN

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My son was also diagnosed at 13. According to the pediatric nephrologist who

treated him, early adolescence is a fairly common time for IgAN to flare up,

at least in boys. Obviously, it can show up earlier or later, but he

suggested that perhaps at that age, it has something to do with increase in

growth hormones, etc. I would suspect that it's just coincidental that your

son was involved in the accident and bruised his kidney around the time the

IgAN was beginning to show up. IgAN is a systemic disease which affects both

kidneys, and the accident apparently only bruised one, and, as far as I

know, bruising of the kidney would not cause IgA deposits to be there when

he had the renal biopsy.

When my son started showing symptoms (cola colored urine), we were first

told by the pediatrician that it was probably post-strep glomerulonephritis.

When I pointed out he had only had strep once when he was 5, we were told

that there were " silent " cases of strep with no symptoms and not to worry

because post-strep gn resolves on its own after a few weeks. Long story

short - it turned out to be IgAN. The nephrologist suspected IgAN right away

but didn't do a biopsy until he began to spill more protein in his urine.

Initially he was put on lisinopril, an ACE inhibitor for blood pressure like

Vasotec, even though like your son his bp was normal. It is preventative,

and the ACE inhibitors are especially good for IgAN because they decrease

pressure within the kidneys specifically. He also took Omega 3 fish oil

capsules.

I'm not certain what the 5 cells out of 15 being dead in the biopsy meant,

but I'm guessing it refers to the number of glomeruli in the sample and that

5 out of 15 had scarring (crescents). That would suggest a fair amount of

scarring but not extreme. The percentage of crescents in the biopsy sample

is a pretty good indicator for how advanced the disease is. I would ask the

nephrologist about this specifically. At biopsy, my son had about 30%

crescenting, but serum creatinine and kidney function were both normal at

that time. The amount of protein being spilled in the urine is a more

significant indicator of the seriousness of the disease than the amount of

blood in the urine. Of course, blood in the urine is dramatic, but many IgAN

patients never or rarely have visible blood.

My son did well until he was 18, and then kidney function began to decline

and we did a transplant when he was 21. He's 24 now and doing fine. There

are several subtypes of IgAN, some of which progress very slowly and may

never reach kidney failure, some are rapid-progressing, and his type was

sort of in the middle. I hope your son's is the slow kind and things

stabilize soon for him. Let me know if you have other questions.

Take care -

Betsy

> Hi!

> I just joined this list. My 13 year old son was diagnosed 4 days ago. There

> is so much to learn and I'm so confused about it all.

> I do have a question or maybe just wanting your opinion......

> In Sept my son was on his moped and ran into a car that ran a stop sign. He

> walked away from the accident with a couple minor bruises. We took him to the

> ER to get checked out, just in case. The doctor took a urine sample and came

> back in saying there were traces of blood in his urine so they did a CAT

> scan. We were sent home and the Radiologist called the next day saying the

> CAT

> scan showed bruising to the kidney but no apparant rips or tears in the

> kidney.

> He went to the Family doctor weekly to have his urine checked. After 3 weeks

> with no improvement, the Family doctor sent him to a Urologist. The

> Urologist did a cystoscopy (sp???) and everything came out fine. After many

> weeks of

> blood work, urine tests and doctors visits they decided to send him to a

> Nephrologist. The Nephrologist was stumped and ended up saying to give it a

> month

> to see if there was any improvements. We returned a month later, with no

> improvements. His urine was getting darker and darker with lots of Protein.

> The

> Nephrologist finally ordered a kidney biopsy. We were told Tuesday that he

> has IgA. It was a shock since we thought all along this was trauma to the

> kidney from the accident.

> He said 5 of the 15 cells in the biopsy were dead. What does that mean???

> Also, from what I've been reading, most of the time IgA shows itself after

> the flu or some sort of illness. My son has never even been on an antibiotic

> or

> had an ear infection before. He's had the Chicken Pox 11 years ago and

> that's it. Could the accident have caused Disease to show itself?? His urine

> has

> always been normal looking, including the night of the accident, but 2 days

> later it started getting darker and darker until now it looks like black

> coffee.

> He has another follow up appointment in 1 month. The Nephrologist has not

> went over any type of diet or restrictions. He did put him on Vasotec for

> blood

> pressure although his blood pressure isn't high. I'm assuming this is a

> preventative?? Also, in all the blood tests he's had, his cholesterol is

> always

> high. Is this normal with the disease? Another thing that has me worried

> with

> the blood tests is that his bilirubin levels are high. None of the doctors

> have commented on that. When I asked his Neprologist this last week he said

> he'd look into it and get back with me. I can't remember the exact numbers,

> but

> if the normal range of bilirubin was like 0.2 through 0.8, my sons was like

> 4.3 which is extremely high imo. Does that have something to do with IgA

> also?

>

> Sorry for all the questions, I just have no clue where to start right now and

> am still somewhat in a state of shock.

>

> Thanks so much,

> in IN

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Hi ,

A warm welcome to our group, but I am very sorry you have the occasion to be

here. It always pains me when the young ones are diagnosed and I am so sorry

he has joined the club of fellow IgANers.

His IgAN may have had nothing to do with his accident. It is very common

that a routine test for other reasons is what first flags blood and/or protein

in

urine. IgAN is a very silent disease until you get closer to end stage renal

disease although fortunately only 30-50% ever do reach that point. It may be

that it was just because he was tested that the abnormalities were detected.

With IgAN, any type of stress on the body such as a viral illness, a

bacterial illness, or an accident such as your son had can cause a flare up, and

it

may just be that the stress of the accident precipitated the symptoms to become

so evident as he got visible blood in his urine. You are correct that more

often the visible, or macroscopic, blood comes in conjunction with a viral

illness, but a viral illness is not the exclusive cause of it.

On the biopsy, it sounds like 1/3 of the glomeruli were sclerotic, or

nonfunctioning. Did they mention any crescents? It is actually the crescents

that

are more indicative of a poor prognosis. Also, macroscopic blood is actually

indicative of a better prognosis. It is those with microscopic blood that tend

to have a poorer prognosis, but I do understand how frightening that dark

urine can be.

On dietary restrictions, it is imperative that they be customized according

to individual lab results. Some of us are on restricted protein, potassium,

sodium and/or phosphorus, but again, that is only a reflection of our lab tests.

Please ask your Nephrologist if your son needs to be on a low protein diet,

or if he recommends any other dietary restrictions.

The Vasotec has a renal protective funtion, and therefore ACE inhibitors are

fairly standard treatment for IgAN. As for Cholesterol, yes, many of us also

tend to run with very high cholesterol. It will be important for you to keep

an eye on his cholesterol levels.

On the bilirubin being elevated, when IgAN flares up as your son's has, it

can cause other liver and sometimes pancreas enzymes to be elevated too. I

would not worry too much about that yet until after his flare up subsides. Do

have it followed though to make sure they return to a normal baseline.

Welcome again, and please do not hesitate to ask any questions you may have

as you go along.

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Deep breath time.... you and your son will get through this one. I'm sorry

about the moped accident... but glad your son was diagnosed before he

presented in far worst shape than he is at present. It must have been

difficult switching from thinking it was the accident to thinking about a

chronic disease.

Unfortunately, the high cholesterol goes with high proteinuria. I hope

your docs have presented some ways for you to get that urine protein down.

Some of the more common ways are ACE inhibitors and prednisone. Less common

are various immunosuppressants such as cellcept and cyclosporin and other

approaches such as cytoxan.

Five out of 15 cells suggests that your son's renal function is rather

impaired (many people on this board have far worse). What kind of

creatinine numbers does he have? You are absolutely right when you say

there is " so much to learn " . Unfortunately, kidney disease can be like

learning a new language. Having done d medicald research and medical tech

writing for a number of years, I thought was I was semi-on top of things -

until my son was diagnosed and the deficits in my knowledge about matters

renal became immediately apparent! If you have a chance, please let us know

more about your son's labs. Someone here can help you make sense of them.

Recently, I wrote a very long post about our " year post diagnosis "

describing my 13 year old's experiences. I don't want to repeat again, but

I will send to you under separate cover.

Welcome to the group. I'm sorry you have reason to be here, but very glad

you found your way here. Finding oneself to be the parent of a chronically

ill kid is a very scary experience. I hope we can make it a bit less scary.

Cy

New Here

> Hi!

> I just joined this list. My 13 year old son was diagnosed 4 days ago.

There

> is so much to learn and I'm so confused about it all.

> I do have a question or maybe just wanting your opinion......

> In Sept my son was on his moped and ran into a car that ran a stop sign.

He

> walked away from the accident with a couple minor bruises. We took him to

the

> ER to get checked out, just in case. The doctor took a urine sample and

came

> back in saying there were traces of blood in his urine so they did a CAT

> scan. We were sent home and the Radiologist called the next day saying

the CAT

> scan showed bruising to the kidney but no apparant rips or tears in the

kidney.

> He went to the Family doctor weekly to have his urine checked. After 3

weeks

> with no improvement, the Family doctor sent him to a Urologist. The

> Urologist did a cystoscopy (sp???) and everything came out fine. After

many weeks of

> blood work, urine tests and doctors visits they decided to send him to a

> Nephrologist. The Nephrologist was stumped and ended up saying to give it

a month

> to see if there was any improvements. We returned a month later, with no

> improvements. His urine was getting darker and darker with lots of

Protein. The

> Nephrologist finally ordered a kidney biopsy. We were told Tuesday that

he

> has IgA. It was a shock since we thought all along this was trauma to the

> kidney from the accident.

> He said 5 of the 15 cells in the biopsy were dead. What does that mean???

> Also, from what I've been reading, most of the time IgA shows itself after

> the flu or some sort of illness. My son has never even been on an

antibiotic or

> had an ear infection before. He's had the Chicken Pox 11 years ago and

> that's it. Could the accident have caused Disease to show itself?? His

urine has

> always been normal looking, including the night of the accident, but 2

days

> later it started getting darker and darker until now it looks like black

coffee.

> He has another follow up appointment in 1 month. The Nephrologist has not

> went over any type of diet or restrictions. He did put him on Vasotec for

blood

> pressure although his blood pressure isn't high. I'm assuming this is a

> preventative?? Also, in all the blood tests he's had, his cholesterol is

always

> high. Is this normal with the disease? Another thing that has me worried

with

> the blood tests is that his bilirubin levels are high. None of the

doctors

> have commented on that. When I asked his Neprologist this last week he

said

> he'd look into it and get back with me. I can't remember the exact

numbers, but

> if the normal range of bilirubin was like 0.2 through 0.8, my sons was

like

> 4.3 which is extremely high imo. Does that have something to do with IgA

also?

>

> Sorry for all the questions, I just have no clue where to start right now

and

> am still somewhat in a state of shock.

>

> Thanks so much,

> in IN

>

>

>

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What kind of

creatinine numbers does he have?

I have no idea what his creatinine numbers are. They weren't discussed with

us at the time of the diagnosis. He goes back in 3 weeks and I'll be sure to

ask.

Thanks for the welcome (to everyone) and for all the information everyone

here has given me so far.

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What kind of

creatinine numbers does he have?

I have no idea what his creatinine numbers are. They weren't discussed with

us at the time of the diagnosis. He goes back in 3 weeks and I'll be sure to

ask.

Thanks for the welcome (to everyone) and for all the information everyone

here has given me so far.

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Hi wendy, a belated welcome to the group! I'm sure everyone has taken good care

of you - I just wanted to say hi! I'm a relative newcomer here too and was as

confused as you - between the info I extracted from people here and my own

research, I'm slowly building up a knowledge base of info and I am sure you will

too! I think, once I got over the shock of a renal disease, it became a little

easier for me but I still find I learn so much here and I hope you do too!

Dave

New Here

Hi!

I just joined this list. My 13 year old son was diagnosed 4 days ago. There

is so much to learn and I'm so confused about it all.

I do have a question or maybe just wanting your opinion......

In Sept my son was on his moped and ran into a car that ran a stop sign. He

walked away from the accident with a couple minor bruises. We took him to the

ER to get checked out, just in case. The doctor took a urine sample and came

back in saying there were traces of blood in his urine so they did a CAT

scan. We were sent home and the Radiologist called the next day saying the

CAT

scan showed bruising to the kidney but no apparant rips or tears in the

kidney.

He went to the Family doctor weekly to have his urine checked. After 3 weeks

with no improvement, the Family doctor sent him to a Urologist. The

Urologist did a cystoscopy (sp???) and everything came out fine. After many

weeks of

blood work, urine tests and doctors visits they decided to send him to a

Nephrologist. The Nephrologist was stumped and ended up saying to give it a

month

to see if there was any improvements. We returned a month later, with no

improvements. His urine was getting darker and darker with lots of Protein.

The

Nephrologist finally ordered a kidney biopsy. We were told Tuesday that he

has IgA. It was a shock since we thought all along this was trauma to the

kidney from the accident.

He said 5 of the 15 cells in the biopsy were dead. What does that mean???

Also, from what I've been reading, most of the time IgA shows itself after

the flu or some sort of illness. My son has never even been on an antibiotic

or

had an ear infection before. He's had the Chicken Pox 11 years ago and

that's it. Could the accident have caused Disease to show itself?? His urine

has

always been normal looking, including the night of the accident, but 2 days

later it started getting darker and darker until now it looks like black

coffee.

He has another follow up appointment in 1 month. The Nephrologist has not

went over any type of diet or restrictions. He did put him on Vasotec for

blood

pressure although his blood pressure isn't high. I'm assuming this is a

preventative?? Also, in all the blood tests he's had, his cholesterol is

always

high. Is this normal with the disease? Another thing that has me worried

with

the blood tests is that his bilirubin levels are high. None of the doctors

have commented on that. When I asked his Neprologist this last week he said

he'd look into it and get back with me. I can't remember the exact numbers,

but

if the normal range of bilirubin was like 0.2 through 0.8, my sons was like

4.3 which is extremely high imo. Does that have something to do with IgA

also?

Sorry for all the questions, I just have no clue where to start right now and

am still somewhat in a state of shock.

Thanks so much,

in IN

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When I make my bread, I slice it, then wrap it individually between wax paper and freeze it. I just cut off a long strip, fold it in half, and then fan fold it between slices. Then I can take out just one slice or two or 6, microwave them a brief amount of time wrapped in a paper towel and use it. It keeps longer that way and I'm not wasting it.

I think the reason most of us cook is that the convience foods are just so darn expensive. We find some way to make it from scratch.

I was on a local list for CD, but this one is much better. I'm with you, I love this list.

Loriann aka Flitter the Christian clown and Celiac DiseaseWife to Dewight, USNavy RetiredMom to , 15, Down Syndrome, PDD-NOS and Celiac Diseaseand , 5 and ADHD

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Coleen--Welcome!

This is a great place!

I was a person who never cooked before CD. Now I've

got muffins made buy 6 am!

A freezer is going to make your life grand.

I've noticed smaller recipes yields in the book titled

The Gluten Free Kitchen by Roben Ryberg.

I don't have to cook for one but my mom does (though

she is not cd) and she finds it a drag too.

Mail order stuff will probably be your heaven. An

effort in finding some close by celiacs might help

too.

I wish you lived near by--we'd bring you dinner

anytime!

Good luck,

in MA

--- Coleen wrote:

> I have been lurking for a month now. Boy, have Y'all

> taught me ALOT! OF

> course I still have many questions but can't think

> of any right now. I

> do wonder where you get all that energy to cook all

> that you do but of

> course I think most are younger than I.

> I had always just thought I had a spastic colon

> problem until 2 yrs ago

> I had breast cancer-double mastectomy, 5 weeks later

> my youngest son was

> killed in an accident, it was after these two

> tragedy's I noticed my

> stomach was doing alot of bloating, I just could not

> eat very much or it

> would feel like stomach was going to explode, I

> started loosing weight,

> Dr felt it was emotional, hysterectomy 6 months

> later and the " clean

> out " stuff for that surgery sent my stomach into

> intense pain, at my

> surgery followup the surgeon told me I needed to see

> a digestive Dr, I

> was to have a 5 week wait for an appt, got on

> internet and did some

> searching, Celiac disease looked to me like it fit,

> no meds, just quit

> eating gluten. On the 4th day of going gluten free

> the intense pain went

> away so I continuted eating that way, 6 weeks later

> when I finally saw

> the DR and he did tests of course I had been 6 weeks

> gluten free so it

> showed " no " . I had lost down to 100 pounds and was

> just skin and bones

> and soooo weak. Slowly I started gaining weight.

> Then I got tired of

> eating really plain and that's when I knew for sure

> I had Celiac

> disease. I also thought it was alot of whooy about

> shampoos and lotions

> and got it doing a number on me and have since fixed

> that problem with

> GF shampoos and GF lotions.

> I have spent this last year buying new pots and

> pans, new spices, you

> know the routine.The nearest health food store

> leaves alot to be desired

> as I live in the middle of nowhere and going 70

> miles in high traffic is

> impossible for me, besides I don't have the money,

> am on SSD as I also

> have chronic Lyme disease in which that is also a

> problem trying to get

> treated for that.

> I wanted you ladies to know I admire your energy in

> cooking and I have

> learned so much from this list in the last month of

> lurking. I have

> decided I need a small freezer, I live alone but the

> top of my refrig

> just isn't big enough as I am getting tired of

> cooking something and

> then eating it for the next 3 days or until its

> gone.

> Thanks to this list I have found the best pasta,

> will be making a

> chocolate cake recipe that came thru here this week

> as soon as I get a

> freezer, I don't want to have to eat it for days and

> days, I have

> ordered some bread mixes and hope to find one that I

> like, ah-the treat

> of a sandwich.

> IF there are any little secrets you think I should

> know, I would love

> hearing from you

> Coleen-TX

>

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Loriann,

When I make my own bread, I generally use one of the mixes (like Bob's

Red Mill) and they seem to be as expensive as the bought bread. Do you

use a mix or do you have a recipe you like that's from scratch? I use a

bread machine and would love to find a good recipe.

Thanks,

n, from Texas

> I think the reason most of us cook is that the convience foods are

just so darn expensive. We find some way to make it from scratch.

> Loriann aka Flitter the Christian clown and Celiac Disease

> Wife to Dewight, USNavy Retired

> Mom to , 15, Down Syndrome, PDD-NOS and Celiac Disease

> and , 5 and ADHD

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I get my mix from Gluten free Pantry (http://www.glutenfree.com/online-store.htm - Favorite Sandwich bread), a big bag. It's a bit more than making it from scratch, but not quite as bad as paying $5 a loaf for an itty, bitty loaf. I've tried from scratch and just made too many mistakes.

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If you like Bob's Red Mill mixes, go to his website to get some great

recipes.

Jen

> Loriann,

>

> When I make my own bread, I generally use one of the mixes (like Bob's

> Red Mill) and they seem to be as expensive as the bought bread. Do you

> use a mix or do you have a recipe you like that's from scratch? I use a

> bread machine and would love to find a good recipe.

>

> Thanks,

>

> n, from Texas

>

>

> > I think the reason most of us cook is that the convience foods are

> just so darn expensive. We find some way to make it from scratch.

>

> > Loriann aka Flitter the Christian clown and Celiac Disease

> > Wife to Dewight, USNavy Retired

> > Mom to , 15, Down Syndrome, PDD-NOS and Celiac Disease

> > and , 5 and ADHD

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Also, I'm not sure but it looked like the test were taken before any thyroid

meds. had been taken for the results that showed this illness. Mine showed up

after I had taken only Synthroid. And my FT4 was at the very top of the range

my TSH was within range at the bottom and my FT3 was at the very bottom of the

range. What it your thoughts on this?\

thanks

Bev

>

> It means that your hypothyroidism is NOT due to poor thyroid function

> but how your body uses the hormoens, in other word poor conversion and

> receptor issues. Most doctors only think of hyothyroid ism as failure of

> the thyroid and thta is certainly NOT the only cause of hypo. I suspect

> I may have some genetic tendency to poor receptor activity or poor

> converion due to the fact my Mom was a Hypo suicide. I certainyl had the

> lwo T3 depression for many years as well and her father also was a

> suicide though getting details abotu that has been dificult as no one in

> my family will talk about it. He had two sisters with Diabetes and 2

> with Hashi's so I suspect that is the dise of the family my own thyroid

> issues stemmed from.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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Also, I'm not sure but it looked like the test were taken before any thyroid

meds. had been taken for the results that showed this illness. Mine showed up

after I had taken only Synthroid. And my FT4 was at the very top of the range

my TSH was within range at the bottom and my FT3 was at the very bottom of the

range. What it your thoughts on this?\

thanks

Bev

>

> It means that your hypothyroidism is NOT due to poor thyroid function

> but how your body uses the hormoens, in other word poor conversion and

> receptor issues. Most doctors only think of hyothyroid ism as failure of

> the thyroid and thta is certainly NOT the only cause of hypo. I suspect

> I may have some genetic tendency to poor receptor activity or poor

> converion due to the fact my Mom was a Hypo suicide. I certainyl had the

> lwo T3 depression for many years as well and her father also was a

> suicide though getting details abotu that has been dificult as no one in

> my family will talk about it. He had two sisters with Diabetes and 2

> with Hashi's so I suspect that is the dise of the family my own thyroid

> issues stemmed from.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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