Re: I WANT MY LIP BACK ON!!!!!!

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In a message dated 5/1/02 6:08:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vhunnius@...

writes:

> From the blood-curdling screams coming from my child, I figured that the

> drill had made the hole and we were stuck there for the duration -- imagine

> my surprise when the dentist pulled out and said, " This is not going to

> happen. " For 20 minutes, he had been waving the drill above 's tooth,

> not even able to safely make contact.

Forgive me if this is a stupid idea... but what about headphones? I just

stare at the light... the sounds bothers me terribly but I push past it.

G

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In a message dated 5/1/02 8:39:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vhunnius@...

writes:

> The needle REAALLLLLYYY hurt him

Maybe novican doesn't work with him? I know it doesn't do anything with my

husband. Somtimes it's hard to tell

G

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Bummer!!! I really thought he would do ok! Oh well,

I hope you get in to someone soon.

Tamara

--- The Hunny Family wrote:

>

> These are the words that rang through the dental

> office immediately after the freezing needle.

>

> Then he cried for about 15 minutes while staring

> into a hand mirror, not believing the lip he

> couldn't feel was still there.

>

> Then he screamed for 20 minutes while the dentist

> tried to drill the cavity.

>

> From the blood-curdling screams coming from my

> child, I figured that the drill had made the hole

> and we were stuck there for the duration -- imagine

> my surprise when the dentist pulled out and said,

> " This is not going to happen. " For 20 minutes, he

> had been waving the drill above 's tooth, not

> even able to safely make contact.

>

> We, like Janae, are now on a referral to a peds

> dentist.

>

> <sigh>

>

> Jacquie

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

=====

Tamara

mom to :

Ebony, 4 yrs -- asd, ADHD, bi-polar

, 1 year

wife to:

Terry, love of my life

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>> Then he cried for about 15 minutes while staring into a hand

mirror, not believing the lip he couldn't feel was still there.>>

Oh...poor little guy. I can't imagine what it must be like to be so

unsure of your senses that you can't even trust your own eyes...This

makes me sad. :-(

>> " This is not going to happen. " For 20 minutes, he had been waving

the drill above 's tooth, not even able to safely make contact.>>

Probably the sound...really intense and high pitched. Tough on kids

with auditory defensiveness.

> We, like Janae, are now on a referral to a peds dentist.>>

Jacquie, a good peds dentist is worth his/her weight in gold. I

absolutely love ours...he is so good with (and all my kids).

Sorry it didn't work out...this is three trips for one tooth ache,

isn't it?

Raena

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-Sorry it didnt go so well. I imagine that has to be pretty scary for

him. Hopefully he will do better next time and maybe they can gas him

too.

Jacquie H]

-- In parenting_autism@y..., " The Hunny Family " <vhunnius@l...> wrote:

>

> These are the words that rang through the dental office immediately

after the freezing needle.

>

> Then he cried for about 15 minutes while staring into a hand

mirror, not believing the lip he couldn't feel was still there.

>

> Then he screamed for 20 minutes while the dentist tried to drill

the cavity.

>

> From the blood-curdling screams coming from my child, I figured

that the drill had made the hole and we were stuck there for the

duration -- imagine my surprise when the dentist pulled out and

said, " This is not going to happen. " For 20 minutes, he had been

waving the drill above 's tooth, not even able to safely make

contact.

>

> We, like Janae, are now on a referral to a peds dentist.

>

> <sigh>

>

> Jacquie

>

>

>

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-Sorry it didnt go so well. I imagine that has to be pretty scary for

him. Hopefully he will do better next time and maybe they can gas him

too.

Jacquie H]

-- In parenting_autism@y..., " The Hunny Family " <vhunnius@l...> wrote:

>

> These are the words that rang through the dental office immediately

after the freezing needle.

>

> Then he cried for about 15 minutes while staring into a hand

mirror, not believing the lip he couldn't feel was still there.

>

> Then he screamed for 20 minutes while the dentist tried to drill

the cavity.

>

> From the blood-curdling screams coming from my child, I figured

that the drill had made the hole and we were stuck there for the

duration -- imagine my surprise when the dentist pulled out and

said, " This is not going to happen. " For 20 minutes, he had been

waving the drill above 's tooth, not even able to safely make

contact.

>

> We, like Janae, are now on a referral to a peds dentist.

>

> <sigh>

>

> Jacquie

>

>

>

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> Forgive me if this is a stupid idea... but what about headphones? I just

> stare at the light... the sounds bothers me terribly but I push past it.

>

> G

Unfortunately not the problem. :-( The needle REAALLLLLYYY hurt him, so

anything after that he just screamed, " no more pinches!!!!! "

<sigh>

Jacquie

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Jacquie - Hopefully the ped dentist will do laughing gas for you -

It's a wonderful thing - the novicane hurts me so much, that I used

to have fillings done with just the gas. If you go to the hardware

store and buy a few paint masks and let him play at wearing them -

works best if you wear them too, so he can see how much " fun " it can

be - one on top of your head and one over your mouth, than maybe by

the time you get into the new dentist, they will be able to put the

gas mask on him before they have to use the needle. Than he won't

care if his lip is numb and you won't have to have him totally

sedated to have the work done. It might be worth a try.

Also, you should be able to buy oil of clove somewhere - at a coop or

a health food store - clove oil will control the pain for him if it

hurts - you just put it on a q-tip or something he will suck on - it

doesn't upset the stomache like the orgel or any of that other stuff

does, so you don't have to give him so much pain medication.

Best of luck on the next visit.

>

> These are the words that rang through the dental office immediately

after the freezing needle.

>

> Then he cried for about 15 minutes while staring into a hand

mirror, not believing the lip he couldn't feel was still there.

>

> Then he screamed for 20 minutes while the dentist tried to drill

the cavity.

>

> From the blood-curdling screams coming from my child, I figured

that the drill had made the hole and we were stuck there for the

duration -- imagine my surprise when the dentist pulled out and

said, " This is not going to happen. " For 20 minutes, he had been

waving the drill above 's tooth, not even able to safely make

contact.

>

> We, like Janae, are now on a referral to a peds dentist.

>

> <sigh>

>

> Jacquie

>

>

>

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>

> These are the words that rang through the dental office immediately

after the freezing needle.

>

> Then he cried for about 15 minutes while staring into a hand

mirror, not believing the lip he couldn't feel was still there.

>

> Then he screamed for 20 minutes while the dentist tried to drill

the cavity.

>

> From the blood-curdling screams coming from my child, I figured

that the drill had made the hole and we were stuck there for the

duration -- imagine my surprise when the dentist pulled out and

said, " This is not going to happen. " For 20 minutes, he had been

waving the drill above 's tooth, not even able to safely make

contact.

>

> We, like Janae, are now on a referral to a peds dentist.

>

> <sigh>

>

> Jacquie

pooh I'm sorry it didn't work out. that drill is scary, I

don't know how many kids on this list could handle that much. poor

guy.

Kerri

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>

> Unfortunately not the problem. :-( The needle REAALLLLLYYY hurt

him, so

> anything after that he just screamed, " no more pinches!!!!! "

>

> <sigh>

>

> Jacquie

had this same problem, she had to have a crown, and we had

several visits, the novacane needle was the problem, not the drill,

we nearly had to go to the 'knock em out' dentist. Until daddy

offered her $50 to spend on vacation. Yes I know, It ticked me off he

did that, but it worked...not that I would recommend that to anyone.

And certainly an autistic child wouldn't care. Mitchel has no concept

of money or bribery.

Kerri

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> The needle REAALLLLLYYY hurt him, so

> anything after that he just screamed, " no more pinches!!!!! " >>

Jacquie,

Did they not use that stuff to numb his gum before the shot? Of

course, depending on the location of the cavity...it may not have

helped much once the needle was in. But it does take away

the " pinch " .

Sounds to me like he got overwhelmed by the shot and things went

downhill from there...

Raena

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Poor ! I hate that awful numb feeling myself..I

hope you can find someone. The dentist we went to for

is great..but he's semiretired and we can never

get them on the phone. He has limited hours..we will

probably need to find someone else.

Mimi

--- The Hunny Family wrote:

>

> These are the words that rang through the dental

> office immediately after the freezing needle.

>

> Then he cried for about 15 minutes while staring

> into a hand mirror, not believing the lip he

> couldn't feel was still there.

>

> Then he screamed for 20 minutes while the dentist

> tried to drill the cavity.

>

> From the blood-curdling screams coming from my

> child, I figured that the drill had made the hole

> and we were stuck there for the duration -- imagine

> my surprise when the dentist pulled out and said,

> " This is not going to happen. " For 20 minutes, he

> had been waving the drill above 's tooth, not

> even able to safely make contact.

>

> We, like Janae, are now on a referral to a peds

> dentist.

>

> <sigh>

>

> Jacquie

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Me, too..I had to get the gas in order to get the

novicane..and I wasn't a child at the time. That

needle really hurts.

Mimi

--- deniseandsarah wrote:

> Jacquie - Hopefully the ped dentist will do laughing

> gas for you -

> It's a wonderful thing - the novicane hurts me so

> much, that I used

> to have fillings done with just the gas. If you go

> to the hardware

> store and buy a few paint masks and let him play at

> wearing them -

> works best if you wear them too, so he can see how

> much " fun " it can

> be - one on top of your head and one over your

> mouth, than maybe by

> the time you get into the new dentist, they will be

> able to put the

> gas mask on him before they have to use the needle.

> Than he won't

> care if his lip is numb and you won't have to have

> him totally

> sedated to have the work done. It might be worth a

> try.

> Also, you should be able to buy oil of clove

> somewhere - at a coop or

> a health food store - clove oil will control the

> pain for him if it

> hurts - you just put it on a q-tip or something he

> will suck on - it

> doesn't upset the stomache like the orgel or any of

> that other stuff

> does, so you don't have to give him so much pain

> medication.

> Best of luck on the next visit.

>

>

> >

> > These are the words that rang through the dental

> office immediately

> after the freezing needle.

> >

> > Then he cried for about 15 minutes while staring

> into a hand

> mirror, not believing the lip he couldn't feel was

> still there.

> >

> > Then he screamed for 20 minutes while the dentist

> tried to drill

> the cavity.

> >

> > From the blood-curdling screams coming from my

> child, I figured

> that the drill had made the hole and we were stuck

> there for the

> duration -- imagine my surprise when the dentist

> pulled out and

> said, " This is not going to happen. " For 20

> minutes, he had been

> waving the drill above 's tooth, not even able

> to safely make

> contact.

> >

> > We, like Janae, are now on a referral to a peds

> dentist.

> >

> > <sigh>

> >

> > Jacquie

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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> Did they not use that stuff to numb his gum before the shot? Of

> course, depending on the location of the cavity...it may not have

> helped much once the needle was in. But it does take away

> the " pinch " .

>

> Sounds to me like he got overwhelmed by the shot and things went

> downhill from there...

>

> Raena

I think so. They did give a topical anesthetic before the shot. I don't

know if the shot killed it because it hurt or because it made him think his

lip was gone. Either way, it was the end of the visit. :-(

Jacquie

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A dentist I used to work for had a virtual reality headset with

goggles and headphones. It played movies and stuff. He used it for

most of his skiddish patients and it worked very well. I had

forgotten all about that. LOL

Jacquie H

> In a message dated 5/1/02 6:08:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

vhunnius@l...

> writes:

>

>

> > From the blood-curdling screams coming from my child, I figured

that the

> > drill had made the hole and we were stuck there for the duration -

- imagine

> > my surprise when the dentist pulled out and said, " This is not

going to

> > happen. " For 20 minutes, he had been waving the drill above

's tooth,

> > not even able to safely make contact.

>

> Forgive me if this is a stupid idea... but what about headphones?

I just

> stare at the light... the sounds bothers me terribly but I push

past it.

>

> G

>

>

>

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used to always take a sedative before dental visits. It made him

'wiggly'. I wonder if something like this would help ?

Sue

[Guest guest]

> Bummer!!! I really thought he would do ok! Oh well,

> I hope you get in to someone soon.

> Tamara

>

I really thought he'd be okay too. I expected SOME reaction, but nothing

near what we got. :-(

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

> >> Then he cried for about 15 minutes while staring into a hand

> mirror, not believing the lip he couldn't feel was still there.>>

>

> Oh...poor little guy. I can't imagine what it must be like to be so

> unsure of your senses that you can't even trust your own eyes...This

> makes me sad. :-(

>

Raena, I hadn't thought this through that thoroughly until you wrote it --

you are SO right. :-(

> >> " This is not going to happen. " For 20 minutes, he had been waving

> the drill above 's tooth, not even able to safely make contact.>>

>

> Probably the sound...really intense and high pitched. Tough on kids

> with auditory defensiveness.

>

No! Strangely enough, at the last appointment we'd run the drill for him

and he'd had NO auditory pain from whatsoever! Didn't even FLINCH! As a

result, I didn't anticipate that reaction at ALL. I think it might have

been fear of more freezing, but I'm not sure. I guess it could also have

been that with the trauma of not being able to feel his lip his brain

flipped into overdrive and then BECAME sensitive to the noise of the

drill...oh, hell, I don't know!

> Sorry it didn't work out...this is three trips for one tooth ache,

> isn't it?

Yup. In a BABY tooth. I am so tempted to just say forget it, but I know

that's no answer at all. <sigh>

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

>

> I guess it could also have

> been that with the trauma of not being able to feel his lip his

brain

> flipped into overdrive and then BECAME sensitive to the noise of the

> drill...oh, hell, I don't know!>>

Actually, that makes tons of sense to me...it's like walking through

the woods...it's all fine and fun until something scares you, then it

all snowballs...sound, light, everything your senses take in are

amplified because you are suddenly on high alert...you end up spooked

and bolting full throttle from a rabbit in the bush...

Raena

[Guest guest]

Don't be so sure.

I'm tempted to wait until Jacqui's falls out....She STILL has the temporary

filling cuz I can't find anyone with enough b**** to take care of her

without putting her in a coma first.

Extremely cynical,

Penny

>>>>>

Yup. In a BABY tooth. I am so tempted to just say forget it, but I know

that's no answer at all. <sigh>

Jacquie

<<<<

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> Don't be so sure.

>

> I'm tempted to wait until Jacqui's falls out....She STILL has the

temporary

> filling cuz I can't find anyone with enough b**** to take care of her

> without putting her in a coma first.

>

> Extremely cynical,

> Penny

I'm tempted too, but I also have no qualms about putting him in a coma

first.

My fear is that by avoiding dealing with the cavity I'll be setting him up

with horrid dental care skills forever. He hates to brush, and hates to

even think about brushing...he brushes about once a month, and uses the

entire tube of paste when he does. I'm afraid that if I set a precedant for

myself on this one then I'll hang back when it's more important too and then

have to struggle with teaching him to keep the dentures in when he's 20.

:-(

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

Jacquie,

use to hate to brush. I went and bought one of those battery operated

toothbrushes and he seem to enjoy putting it in his mouth. So I just add a

little toothpaste and let him chew away on the brush while the brush is

spinning. I t seems to work.

I also wanted to mention to you that I have been taking to Sick Kids dental

clinic and I tell you they are really good there. He has not let anyone around

here even look in his mouth but the way they did it there was just amazing. You

might want to keep that in mind when thinking about having someone work on his

teeth.

Just my 2 cents and if it is out of place do tell me.

Lori

Re: Re: " I WANT MY LIP BACK ON!!!!!! "

> Don't be so sure.

>

> I'm tempted to wait until Jacqui's falls out....She STILL has the

temporary

> filling cuz I can't find anyone with enough b**** to take care of her

> without putting her in a coma first.

>

> Extremely cynical,

> Penny

I'm tempted too, but I also have no qualms about putting him in a coma

first.

My fear is that by avoiding dealing with the cavity I'll be setting him up

with horrid dental care skills forever. He hates to brush, and hates to

even think about brushing...he brushes about once a month, and uses the

entire tube of paste when he does. I'm afraid that if I set a precedant for

myself on this one then I'll hang back when it's more important too and then

have to struggle with teaching him to keep the dentures in when he's 20.

:-(

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

A note to add about the Clove Oil.... It will probably make him high. Like pot

does. Cloves, if given in the improper dosage, can have an effect much like pot,

inducing drowsiness, giggles, and nausea or muncies. It can also cause great

headaches... a good idea if you can find his ddosage..it willhelp a TON at the

proper dosage. Just be careful!!!

The Resident Witch (I am still claiming my title, being the first to have come

out of the broom closet )

" deniseandsarah " wrote:

>Jacquie - Hopefully the ped dentist will do laughing gas for you -

>It's a wonderful thing - the novicane hurts me so much, that I used

>to have fillings done with just the gas.  If you go to the hardware

>store and buy a few paint masks and let him play at wearing them -

>works best if you wear them too, so he can see how much " fun " it can

>be - one on top of your head and one over your mouth, than maybe by

>the time you get into the new dentist, they will be able to put the

>gas mask on him before they have to use the needle.  Than he won't

>care if his lip is numb and you won't have to have him totally

>sedated to have the work done.  It might be worth a try.  

>Also, you should be able to buy oil of clove somewhere - at a coop or

>a health food store - clove oil will control the pain for him if it

>hurts - you just put it on a q-tip or something he will suck on - it

>doesn't upset the stomache like the orgel or any of that other stuff

>does, so you don't have to give him so much pain medication.

>Best of luck on the next visit.

>

>

>>

>> These are the words that rang through the dental office immediately

>after the freezing needle.

>>

>> Then he cried for about 15 minutes while staring into a hand

>mirror, not believing the lip he couldn't feel was still there.

>>

>> Then he screamed for 20 minutes while the dentist tried to drill

>the cavity.

>>

>> From the blood-curdling screams coming from my child, I figured

>that the drill had made the hole and we were stuck there for the

>duration -- imagine my surprise when the dentist pulled out and

>said, " This is not going to happen. "  For 20 minutes, he had been

>waving the drill above 's tooth, not even able to safely make

>contact.

>>

>> We, like Janae, are now on a referral to a peds dentist.

>>

>> <sigh>

>>

>> Jacquie

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Jacquie,

Have you tried a Crest Spin bruch on ? loves it, hates it.

It has to do with the difference in their sensory systems. Or, you could

try to see if will brush with just water on his brush and brush more

often. We did this with till he was 6, then finally started with

toothpaste. Anything is better than not brushing at all. My dh didn't go

to the dentist for many years as a teen and young adult and is now paying

for it and will be for the rest of his life. We use him for an example of

why the boys need to go to the dentist regulary. Good luck!

Sue

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All the days I have been glancing just cursorily at my emails and wondering

WHAT ON EARTH this email referred to.

Now I know! So so funny. Though not for . Nor for the dentist.

Good luck with the pediatric dentist.

Salli