Re: Elbow pain

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In a message dated 07-06-01 12:05:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

tjk81664@... writes:

<< The right elbow is slightly tender to palpation over the s/l

electronide process or electronon process.

Also, what would be the correct way to type when dr. dictates...q.3

days. Would it be q.three days. or q.3days? or just every three days?

>>

That would be olecranon process. One must never mix Latin and English

terminology or abbreviations, therefore, if he says q. three days it must be

transcribed as every three days.... q. 4 hours on the other hand would be q.

4 h. (there is no abbreviation for days)... per BOS. Hope this helps.

Jan " Typing is my life "

Remember.. WSTPMTR

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In a message dated 7/5/2001 11:05:18 PM Central Daylight Time,

tjk81664@... writes:

> electronide process or electronon process.

>

> Also, what would be the correct way to type when dr. dictates...q.3

> days. Would it be q.three days. or q.3days? or just every three days?

>

>

olecranon process

q.3 days should be q. 3 days or every 3 days...the latter is preferred.

Cheryl, CMT

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Tracey, That would be the olecranon process. Either q.3d or every three days

would be correct, do not mix Latin with English. Margaret

>>> 07/06/01 12:03AM >>>

The right elbow is slightly tender to palpation over the s/l

electronide process or electronon process.

Also, what would be the correct way to type when dr. dictates...q.3

days. Would it be q.three days. or q.3days? or just every three days?

Thanks...Tracey

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Jan, When I read this, I just had to check it out. Per my abbreviations book,

q.d. stands for quaque die in Latin, which means every day. I have been using

q.d. for many years. I suggested q.3d, is that incorrect? Margaret

>>> 07/06/01 12:08AM >>>

One must never mix Latin and English

terminology or abbreviations, therefore, if he says q. three days it must be

transcribed as every three days.... q. 4 hours on the other hand would be q.

4 h. (there is no abbreviation for days)... per BOS. Hope this helps.

Jan " Typing is my life "

Remember.. WSTPMTR

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In a message dated 7/6/2001 7:03:39 AM Central Daylight Time,

vtruitt@... writes:

> LOL, nobody even got around to questioning the periods!

>

> I'd like to see what all the up-to-date references say about this one. The

> trend in recent years has been to eliminate the periods in abbreviations

> describing time, so we can start with " qd " for every/each day, " qid " for

> four times a day

Val...periods in " abbreviations describing time " would not apply here. These

are are Latin abbreviations regarding drug dosing/terminology.

While I am aware of your feelings on the AAMT SOS from past discussions,

Tessier writes: " avoid using capitals...because they draw attention

to abbrev rather than to the drug name...avoid lowercased abbreviations w/o

periods because some may be misread as words. Do not translate " ....i.e.,

b.i.d. as bis in die or twice a day if dictated as twice a day.

I agree with your thinking of " If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that the

dictator is using the " q " as a slang expression, not as an authentic

abbreviation " ....I get this all the time and translate it to every 3 days.

Further, I have never seen the abbreviations of:

qqh every four hours (quaque quarta hora)

qqhor every hour (quaque hora).

I have never heard it dictated nor have I ever seen it transcribed. I do

q.4h. for every 4 hours and q.h. for every hour.

I will continue to research those terms.

Cheryl, CMT

Cheryl, CMT

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In a message dated 07-06-01 12:13:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

mgrant@... writes:

<< Jan, When I read this, I just had to check it out. Per my abbreviations

book, q.d. stands for quaque die in Latin, which means every day. I have

been using q.d. for many years. I suggested q.3d, is that incorrect?

Margaret

>>> 07/06/01 12:08AM >>>

One must never mix Latin and English

terminology or abbreviations, therefore, if he says q. three days it must be

transcribed as every three days.... q. 4 hours on the other hand would be q.

4 h. (there is no abbreviation for days)... per BOS. Hope this helps.

>>

Margaret: It was late at night when I typed this and I wasn't mentally up

to par, and therefore didn't explain it properly. There is indeed an

abbreviation for day which d, but when I looked in BOS there is no specific

example of every 3 days or 2 days or whatever, only q.d. for every day;

therefore I have always transcribed q. three days as every three days, not q.

3 d. Granted I could be wrong, and I often am <sigh>. If it means

anything, my transcribing " q. 3 days " as " every three days " has never come

back from the editors, and they are notoriously picky. Thanks for keeping

me straight

Jan " Typing is my life "

Remember.. WSTPMTR

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In a message dated 07-06-01 7:34:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

vtruitt@... writes:

<< nobody even got around to questioning the periods! >>

BOS addresses that issue on page 116.. They discourage dropping the periods

since those lower cased abbreviations might be misconstrued as words. That's

fine with me.. I have them all as macros anyway, e.g. typing qid expands to

q.i.d.

Jan " Typing is my life "

Remember.. WSTPMTR

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LOL, nobody even got around to questioning the periods!

I'd like to see what all the up-to-date references say about this one. The

trend in recent years has been to eliminate the periods in abbreviations

describing time, so we can start with " qd " for every/each day, " qid " for

four times a day (even though my Mosby's and Dorland's still show them as

q.d. and q.i.d. and so do some other references I consulted). That trend

is probably a nod to transcriptionists who don't want to key unnecessary

key strokes--or office managers who don't want to pay for them.

The most extensive list I could find in the few reference books I have at

home is in Sheila Sloane's Medical Word Book. Let's look at part of that list:

q every (quaque)

qd every day (quaque die)

qh every hour (quaque hora)

q2h every two hours

q3h every three hours

q4h every four hours

qhs every hour of sleep

qid four times a day (quater in die)

qm every morning (quaque mane)

qn every night (quaque nocte)

qod every other day

qq each (quaque)

qqh every four hours (quaque quarta hora)

qqhor every hour (quaque hora)

Using the " every two hours, every three hours, every four hours " sequence

as a guide and the " qod " to authenticate expanding on " qd " , q2d, q3d, q4d

for " every two days, every three days, every four days " certainly seems

reasonable. However, that sequence was not included in this list nor in

any other reference I could find. On the other hand, writing out " every

two days, every three days, every four days " is unquestionably correct.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that the dictator is using the " q " as a

slang expression, not as an authentic abbreviation.

Does anyone know of an accurate, verified list of approved

medical/pharmacological abbreviations available on the Internet? A short

list that's accurate as far as I know is available in About at

http://latin.about.com/homework/latin/library/blRx.htm.

Valeria

At 12:13 AM 7/6/2001, Margaret Grant wrote:

>Jan, When I read this, I just had to check it out. Per my abbreviations

>book, q.d. stands for quaque die in Latin, which means every day. I have

>been using q.d. for many years. I suggested q.3d, is that incorrect? Margaret

>

> >>> 07/06/01 12:08AM >>>

>One must never mix Latin and English

>terminology or abbreviations, therefore, if he says q. three days it must be

>transcribed as every three days.... q. 4 hours on the other hand would be q.

>4 h. (there is no abbreviation for days)... per BOS. Hope this helps.

>

>Jan " Typing is my life "

>Remember.. WSTPMTR

Valeria D. Truitt, Instructor Medical Office Administration

Craven Community College Phone

800 College Court vtruitt@...

New Bern, NC 28562

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Cher,

If you are going to quote me, please include the entire passage. What I

said next after the portion of the paragraph you quoted was " However, that

sequence was not included in this list nor in

any other reference I could find. On the other hand, writing out 'every two

days, every three days, every four days' is unquestionably correct. "

Work with me here: Of the people who previously posted to this issue, some

were using " q.3d. " for " every three days " but questioned their own usage in

light of the current discussion. My intention was to point out that they

may have made a " logical " leap from the acceptable progression for

intervals using hours to an unacceptable progression for intervals using

days. I have found that most people are more likely to listen to

correction that acknowledges the logic they used for arriving at a

conclusion, even if their conclusion is unsupported by reference materials.

By the way, according to most current sources, it is entirely correct to

use the periods in abbreviations using intervals of time (day, hour,

morning, afternoon) and normal events (meals, bedtime)--whether in drug

dosages or not--and it is becoming accepted practice to omit them. The

exception may be abbreviations that are also words (b.i.d. and bid). This

is one of those usage issues that is evolving. Why don't you send this in

as a usage question to the JAAMT? I'd be very interested in seeing their

opinion in print.

If there were a perfect reference, there would be only one, and we would

all be using it. In fact, considering the amount of money members of the

list shell out to be sure they have good, up-to-date references, I believe

that most of us who use these references would welcome a single definitive

work with rejoicing (if we could lift it). Meantime, WSTPMTR.

Valeria

At 08:56 AM 7/6/2001, CBowers960@... wrote:

>In a message dated 7/6/2001 7:03:39 AM Central Daylight Time,

>vtruitt@... writes:

>

>

>>Using the " every two hours, every three hours, every four hours " sequence

>>as a guide and the " qod " to authenticate expanding on " qd " , q2d, q3d, q4d

>>for " every two days, every three days, every four days " certainly seems

>>reasonable.

>

>

>I have no doubt that this is going to spark a huge discussion and maybe it

>should, but q.i.d., q.o.d. and q.d. are standard abbreviations, but q.4d,

>etc. are not. The only time I have seen these Latin terms expanded upon is

>with q.h. as q.4h. q.6h., etc. If you can find this I would love to see

>it.

>

>Cheryl, CMT

Valeria D. Truitt, Instructor Medical Office Administration

Craven Community College Phone

800 College Court vtruitt@...

New Bern, NC 28562