Re: vaccines

June 4, 2001

Hi ,

I won't dispute what you are saying. My daughter does want certain vaccines

given to the youngest child, but she is also going to make sure they are of

the purest form and given one at a time. The way the drug companies mfg.

them now is not very safe. I have several friends whose children are now

autistic and yes it most definitely be traced to the MMR shot...1 to the

DPT. These shots contain Mercury, signs for autism and mercury poisoning

are almost exactly the same, some say they are the same. When a dr. gives

3/4 of the triple shots to a child they are overdosing them with more

mercury than is safe for an adult male at 6' 225 pounds. We just need to be

very very careful in how we allow these shots to be given to our children.

It is so hard to get accurate figures from the CDC/VAERS/Studies NOT funded

by the drug companies to find out how many children are permanently damaged

or die each year from receiving the shots as they currently are given.

Your right, read and learn all you can before making any final decision on

if your child should be immunized or not...or HOW you want them immunized.

The vaccines my daughter chooses for the youngest child will be given

individually, thimerasol free (not just reduced) they will contain no

formaldehyde, tin aluminum or live virus. Before being given boosters of

any, they will be titered to see if any are necessary and there will be at

least a 90 day period between shots, and none will be given if he so much as

a sniffle or a slight temp. For now, my daughter will be taking the boys

more than 2 hours from here to achieve this...and even though the youngest

will receive certain vaccines, she will take the medical waiver in NY State

to not have him vaccinated. They will be vaccinated in the state of Pa.

I also think that once the new federal law is passed holding the drs. and

nurses responsible for adverse reactions you will see a huge jump in the

number of pediatricians who will opt to not give them or will give them the

safest way possible. Now they are given the most economical and profit

making way for them. My only wish is that this bill would also hold the

drug companies responsible also...then they would find a much safer way to

vaccinate children.

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June 4, 2001

Hi all,

Just had to add my two cents after 's message. Despite my concerns

over vaccinations (primarily the massive amount given at once at early,

early ages), I felt that not only the risk of disease to my children, but a

larger social responsibility to prevent the spread or re-emergence of some

pretty horrible illnesses, meant I should vaccinate my kids.

I did. Then, my second child had a vaccine related seizure at two months.

It took her six weeks to get her tongue back in her mouth. The pediatric

neurologist called it a " neurological incident " and suggested we proceed

with all vaccinations except the DTaP, the suspected culprit. However, the

neurologist wasn't *certain* that was the troublesome shot, and wasn't

*certain* that any immunization would not cause further neurological

damage.

So I sit on the other end of the spectrum, having watched my own child

seize, froth at the mouth, scream and suffer for hours and then nearly lose

her ability to nurse after that. Do I need to say it: we haven't given her

a single other shot to this date.

I am very torn about this issue--I think it is much more complex than

vaccinate or not. I think we have a social responsibility to improve public

health, as well as a responsibility to our own children. I don't think

immunizations are bad or wrong.

But I don't think that we, as a culture, have perfected how we produce and

administer these powerful substances. I do think that some children suffer

incredibly because of them; some children are left -- as the pediatric

neurologist said she couldn't omit as a consequence for our daughter,

Scarlett-- severely disabled after receiving vaccines to which they have a

horrific, unexpected response.

Clearly, this is not a clear cut issue. But some of the questions to

address are: why so many shots at once and at a young age? Why not space

one shot at a time, begin some at later ages? Why develop a vaccine for

chicken pox, which is about as fatal the flu -- meaning, yes it can be fatal

but for most children, it is not.

I hope everyone thinks about this issue

vaccines

> Hi just thought I would respond to the vaccine controversy. I can

understand that we all don't want our children or grandchildren to suffer

from auto immune diseases like ourselves but what of the consequences of the

potential diseases? I realize the risk may seem small to acquire whooping

cough or measles but do you know how serious the side effects of these

diseases can be? I am a pediatric ICU/ maternal child nurse and have seen

first hand terrible side effects from lack of immunization. I have in my

career seen at least four deaths or serious brain damage due to encephalitis

directly related to young children getting measles. It is just horrible to

see a perfectly normal child end up dead or so brain damaged they will never

talk, walk, or eat on their own. As far as whooping cough, the cough

related to this is so rotten, endless like you are coughing a lung out. You

can also cough up blood and scar your lungs for life. I have seen kids end

up on ventilators because of this . IT is extremely contagious also.

Before jumping the gun here please explore everything first , like does the

benefit outway the risk. I am not trying campaign for the drug companies

here just trying to make sure we are all educated before making decisions

that could impact our precious childrens lives. In my case all my children

have been immunized. I have seen one too many harmful effects for me to

take the risk. Thanks for hearing me, I.

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June 4, 2001

Hi Jody,

Thanks for the great info.

I'd like to add that the point in this doesn't seem to be no vaccines as much

as limiting them to the smallest dose necessary of only the necessary

vaccines. The 39 pre-school vaccines now recommended are too much for young

immune systems.

Also, much of the discussion is around multiple vaccines and the ease of

giving too many vaccines at one time, overburdening immune systems.

Something else that I don't know much about is the possibility of using

homeopathic vaccines. From what little I've read, they follow the same

principle as conventional vaccines but lack the potency and predilection for

causing side effects.

While vaccines are necessary for the prevention of a small number of

diseases, there is a need for careful delibertion, questioning the current

system, and following one's personal beliefs before merely accepting things

at face value.

June 4, 2001

Hi -

We also had our son immunized as the pediatrician recommended. And if I do

get pregnant again, I'll get the next one immunized too. The concern I have

is overstimulating an immature immune system by too many vaccines at once.

We didn't evolve to withstand an onslaught of serious diseases at one time

and I hesitate to expose a baby's immature immune system to them all at

once.

I know that there's the popular belief that babies are only protected by

their mother's immune system when she's breastfeeding for the 1st 3 months

but that doesn't make sense to me. Antibodies are small enough to pass

through to breastmilk so I went ahead and breastfed for the first 2 years.

The result is anecdotal, I know, but my son was never very sick with flus

and colds the first 2 years (if he got sick at all) while I'd be half-dead

with them. After I stopped breastfeeding my son, he started coming down

with all sorts of things.

Anyways, I think vaccines are important too and my next baby (if I'm lucky

enough to get pregnant) will have the very important ones staggered (1 month

between shots). After 2, everything's fair game (but I'll still stagger

them). I don't know if I'd go this route if I wasn't able to breastfeed my

baby. My husband is exposed to all sorts of nasty things and he brings them

home with him so I'd worry about a baby contracting things. Under these

circumstances, I'd probably follow the current vaccination schedule

recommended by the pediatrician. Anyhow, what do you think of this

approach? My husband thinks that since there aren't any studies that show a

definite relationship between vaccines and later autoimmune disease, we

should follow the pediatrician's schedule. He'll go by what I decide though

as long as our baby gets the vaccinations.

You bring up a very good point and I think people forget how horrible and

scary it was (and how many people died or were permanently disabled) in the

days before vaccinations. If I had a choice between living with the medical

options available now or the ones that we had 60 years ago, I'd choose to

live in the present. Even though medicine didn't serve me well related to

Graves', it has with everything else.

Take care,