Re: Sugar,

[Guest guest]

,

You are probably eating too late-and too many carbs. Low sugar ice cream and

especially the pie (even though it is sugar free) are a lot of carbs Have

someone read the carb contents on the ice cream per serving and you will see

that although it may not have actual white sugar in it, it probably has some

sort of other sugar, such as alcohol sugars in it.

Sugar,

Well folks, I could use some help here. I'm ringing bells for the Salvation

Army, and here's my daily schedule. I ring from 10 AM till 8 PM 6 days a

week. I get up round 8 and have breakfast round 8:30. It consists of a bowl

of oatmeal with sugar free syrup. I usually stand at the kettle, keeping my

hand on it so no one steels it. I have lunch round noon, and it's a sandwich

on lite lo carb bread, of Lunchmeat and cheese, or a peanut and jelly

sandwich. But since I get off so late at night I eat after 8 in the evening,

and it's usually a bowl of soup, or some kind of stew, consisting of mixed

vegetables and either stew meat or ground meat. And then I'll have a bowl of

sugar free ice-cream. But for the past 3 days I've had a piece of sugar free

apple pie with the ice-cream. But Thanksgiving, Lynn and I spent a quiet

thanksgiving here, and we had turkey brest, with green beans, and her home

made mashed potatoes. For the past 4 days my sugar's been 130 and 230. 230

is what it was this mornin'. I'm so tired after ringing, that I'm usually in

bed by 10 PM. Could it be that I'm eating supper too late?

Thanks in advance for anyone's help.

Take care all.

and Lynn

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bill, I let my sweetie Lynn read this also, and from you suggestions, we

should be able to come up with something to make this work. My bell ringing

will only last through the 23rd of December, and then it will be back to a

regular routine. I don't feel bad, but like I said in my post, I'm just too

tired after bell ringing to stay up late. This afternoon we'll be eating about

5, and so will bet that my sugar will be down to hopefully a more manageable

level tomorrow morning.

Thanks once again.

Re: Sugar,

,

Your eating sugar too late is part of the problem with your high sugars.

Oatmeal has lots of carbs in it and even low-carb syrup does too. When you

put these two together you have way too many carbs to start out with, and in

my own experience, oatmeal won't stay with you long enough before you get

hungry again.

Lunchmeat on low-carb bread might be OK but what about the cheese? What kind

of cheese and how much sodium does it have?

You say you are going a very long time between lunch and dinner which is not

a good thing for diabetics. Trying to have food at regular intervals helps

you maintain sugars much better.

The real problem though is your ice cream that you have way too late into

the night relative to when you go to bed. You need to cut that out when it's

so close to bedtime. Better to maybe have that kind of dessert once in

awhile when you can do it earlier in the day and have a chance to work it

off.

You might even need to consider having your doctor prescribe you something

to take at bedtime to cover for the " dawn effect " that I recall reading

about on this board about a year ago. Yes I get this effect in my own

experience and cover myself with a Metformin tablet at bedtime to make sure

I have a good fasting sugar in the morning.

Because I'm taking a fourth Metformin which is not prescribed in order to

accomplish my goal, I'll be seeing an endocrinologist next week to go over

my meds and have him change me to something more effective so that I don't

have to take so much in the way of meds and so I can have more uniform

sugars if possible.

As has so aptly pointed out here in many valuable past posts,

considering your carbs is probably your best defese against rising or

drastically fluctuating sugars. It does work, I can attest to that, although

admittedly I don't count them all the time, but rather I look at the type of

food and by now know which ones have lots of carbs and which ones don't, so

that without too much work I can keep my sugars down to a comfortable level.

It's always going to take some effort on our part, but we can do it and one

of the reasons this group is here is to give support to us all collectively

so we can all help each other. Hopefully, I've said something to help you,

.

Best regards,

Bill Powers

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Hi ,

Since your schedule has changed since taking on this bell ringing job, I

think it would be a good idea to try to eat some sort of protein snack in

the afternoon to try to keep your sugar levels more stable. I agree with

Bill that eating dinner so late and so close before going to bed is not a

good idea.

Becky

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From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Bill Powers

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 1:17 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: Re: Sugar,

,

Your eating sugar too late is part of the problem with your high sugars.

Oatmeal has lots of carbs in it and even low-carb syrup does too. When you

put these two together you have way too many carbs to start out with, and in

my own experience, oatmeal won't stay with you long enough before you get

hungry again.

Lunchmeat on low-carb bread might be OK but what about the cheese? What kind

of cheese and how much sodium does it have?

You say you are going a very long time between lunch and dinner which is not

a good thing for diabetics. Trying to have food at regular intervals helps

you maintain sugars much better.

The real problem though is your ice cream that you have way too late into

the night relative to when you go to bed. You need to cut that out when it's

so close to bedtime. Better to maybe have that kind of dessert once in

awhile when you can do it earlier in the day and have a chance to work it

off.

You might even need to consider having your doctor prescribe you something

to take at bedtime to cover for the " dawn effect " that I recall reading

about on this board about a year ago. Yes I get this effect in my own

experience and cover myself with a Metformin tablet at bedtime to make sure

I have a good fasting sugar in the morning.

Because I'm taking a fourth Metformin which is not prescribed in order to

accomplish my goal, I'll be seeing an endocrinologist next week to go over

my meds and have him change me to something more effective so that I don't

have to take so much in the way of meds and so I can have more uniform

sugars if possible.

As has so aptly pointed out here in many valuable past posts,

considering your carbs is probably your best defese against rising or

drastically fluctuating sugars. It does work, I can attest to that, although

admittedly I don't count them all the time, but rather I look at the type of

food and by now know which ones have lots of carbs and which ones don't, so

that without too much work I can keep my sugars down to a comfortable level.

It's always going to take some effort on our part, but we can do it and one

of the reasons this group is here is to give support to us all collectively

so we can all help each other. Hopefully, I've said something to help you,

.

Best regards,

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

,

Some others have posted good suggestions to you also, very good advice. To

really get a handle on your sugars you will need to talk to your pharmacist

and your doctor so that your sugars don't ride like a roller coaster, you

want to avoid those major swings to keep from future problems. One thing you

have probably noticed over time is that when your sugars get too high you

will feel tired, I know it affects me that way. On the other hand, too low a

sugar makes me feel very out of it and very cold. I wish you well in

managing things so you can live healthy in spite of diabetes.

Bill

[Guest guest]

The fact is you are consuming too many carbs. It iss not good for a diabetic to

eat high carb food items prior to going to bed. Learn to count total grams of

carbs in every item you either eat or drink. Pay no attention to that " net

carbs " thing. Insulin does not work on proteins. Insulin does not work on fat.

Insulin only works on (imagine a drum roll here) you guessed it, CARBOHYDRATES.

Sugar,

Well folks, I could use some help here. I'm ringing bells for the Salvation

Army, and here's my daily schedule. I ring from 10 AM till 8 PM 6 days a week. I

get up round 8 and have breakfast round 8:30. It consists of a bowl of oatmeal

with sugar free syrup. I usually stand at the kettle, keeping my hand on it so

no one steels it. I have lunch round noon, and it's a sandwich on lite lo carb

bread, of Lunchmeat and cheese, or a peanut and jelly sandwich. But since I get

off so late at night I eat after 8 in the evening, and it's usually a bowl of

soup, or some kind of stew, consisting of mixed vegetables and either stew meat

or ground meat. And then I'll have a bowl of sugar free ice-cream. But for the

past 3 days I've had a piece of sugar free apple pie with the ice-cream. But

Thanksgiving, Lynn and I spent a quiet thanksgiving here, and we had turkey

brest, with green beans, and her home made mashed potatoes. For the past 4 days

my sugar's been 130 and 230. 230 is what it was this mornin'. I'm so tired after

ringing, that I'm usually in bed by 10 PM. Could it be that I'm eating supper

too late?

Thanks in advance for anyone's help.

Take care all.

and Lynn

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I've been lucky so far. I still have feeling in my feet and fingers. I

want to be in good health for as long as the good lord will allow. And yes,

when my sugar gets too high I do feel sleepy. I am a type 2 diabetic and so far

need to just take meds. No insulin yet.

Thanks.

Re: Sugar,

,

Some others have posted good suggestions to you also, very good advice. To

really get a handle on your sugars you will need to talk to your pharmacist

and your doctor so that your sugars don't ride like a roller coaster, you

want to avoid those major swings to keep from future problems. One thing you

have probably noticed over time is that when your sugars get too high you

will feel tired, I know it affects me that way. On the other hand, too low a

sugar makes me feel very out of it and very cold. I wish you well in

managing things so you can live healthy in spite of diabetes.

Bill

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, am going to implement the necessary changes.

Thanks.

Sugar,

Well folks, I could use some help here. I'm ringing bells for the Salvation

Army, and here's my daily schedule. I ring from 10 AM till 8 PM 6 days a week. I

get up round 8 and have breakfast round 8:30. It consists of a bowl of oatmeal

with sugar free syrup. I usually stand at the kettle, keeping my hand on it so

no one steels it. I have lunch round noon, and it's a sandwich on lite lo carb

bread, of Lunchmeat and cheese, or a peanut and jelly sandwich. But since I get

off so late at night I eat after 8 in the evening, and it's usually a bowl of

soup, or some kind of stew, consisting of mixed vegetables and either stew meat

or ground meat. And then I'll have a bowl of sugar free ice-cream. But for the

past 3 days I've had a piece of sugar free apple pie with the ice-cream. But

Thanksgiving, Lynn and I spent a quiet thanksgiving here, and we had turkey

brest, with green beans, and her home made mashed potatoes. For the past 4 days

my sugar's been 130 and 230. 230 is what it was this mornin'. I'm so tired aftr

ringing, that I'm usually in bed by 10 PM. Could it be that I'm eating supper

too late?

Thanks in advance for anyone's help.

Take care all.

and Lynn

[Guest guest]

As a general rule of thumb a type2 diabetic on oral medications only will remain

so for 10-15 yearrs before becoming insulin dependent. In my opinion I believe

becoming insulin dependent on hind-sight can be avoided altogether.

Unfortunately, most type2 diabetics are unwilling to do what is required to

avoid this problem. After being a type2 diabetic on oral medications only

lasted for me for 16 years before I became insulin dependent. Alas, it is now

too late for me, since I am now insulin dependent forever.

Re: Sugar,

,

Some others have posted good suggestions to you also, very good advice. To

really get a handle on your sugars you will need to talk to your pharmacist

and your doctor so that your sugars don't ride like a roller coaster, you

want to avoid those major swings to keep from future problems. One thing you

have probably noticed over time is that when your sugars get too high you

will feel tired, I know it affects me that way. On the other hand, too low a

sugar makes me feel very out of it and very cold. I wish you well in

managing things so you can live healthy in spite of diabetes.

Bill

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10:55 AM

[Guest guest]

What about the sugar free pie. Do you know how much carbs in it?

Victor

Sugar,

Well folks, I could use some help here. I'm ringing bells for the Salvation

Army, and here's my daily schedule. I ring from 10 AM till 8 PM 6 days a week. I

get up round 8 and have breakfast round 8:30. It consists of a bowl of oatmeal

with sugar free syrup. I usually stand at the kettle, keeping my hand on it so

no one steels it. I have lunch round noon, and it's a sandwich on lite lo carb

bread, of Lunchmeat and cheese, or a peanut and jelly sandwich. But since I get

off so late at night I eat after 8 in the evening, and it's usually a bowl of

soup, or some kind of stew, consisting of mixed vegetables and either stew meat

or ground meat. And then I'll have a bowl of sugar free ice-cream. But for the

past 3 days I've had a piece of sugar free apple pie with the ice-cream. But

Thanksgiving, Lynn and I spent a quiet thanksgiving here, and we had turkey

brest, with green beans, and her home made mashed potatoes. For the past 4 days

my sugar's been 130 and 230. 230 is what it was this mornin'. I'm so tired after

ringing, that I'm usually in bed by 10 PM. Could it be that I'm eating supper

too late?

Thanks in advance for anyone's help.

Take care all.

and Lynn

[Guest guest]

In any pie, even sugar free, the crust and fruit filling has a lot of carbs!

Re: Sugar,

What about the sugar free pie. Do you know how much carbs in it?

Victor

Sugar,

Well folks, I could use some help here. I'm ringing bells for the Salvation

Army, and here's my daily schedule. I ring from 10 AM till 8 PM 6 days a

week. I get up round 8 and have breakfast round 8:30. It consists of a bowl

of oatmeal with sugar free syrup. I usually stand at the kettle, keeping my

hand on it so no one steels it. I have lunch round noon, and it's a sandwich

on lite lo carb bread, of Lunchmeat and cheese, or a peanut and jelly

sandwich. But since I get off so late at night I eat after 8 in the evening,

and it's usually a bowl of soup, or some kind of stew, consisting of mixed

vegetables and either stew meat or ground meat. And then I'll have a bowl of

sugar free ice-cream. But for the past 3 days I've had a piece of sugar free

apple pie with the ice-cream. But Thanksgiving, Lynn and I spent a quiet

thanksgiving here, and we had turkey brest, with green beans, and her home

made mashed potatoes. For the past 4 days my sugar's been 130 and 230. 230

is what it was this mornin'. I'm so tired after ringing, that I'm usually in

bed by 10 PM. Could it be that I'm eating supper too late?

Thanks in advance for anyone's help.

Take care all.

and Lynn

[Guest guest]

Harry,

Very good point to ignore the " net " carbs. Boy was that term overused until

this past year huh?

It's hard at first for someone to start thinking in terms of counting carbs,

it seems like a lot of effort. But after you get familiar with what kinds of

foods you can eat, it becomes a lot easier because you know what kinds of

things you can and can't have, then you simply figure out HOW MUCH of

something in particular you can have. At first you'll experiment and find

that some things you thought were OK aren't, and you learn from those

mistakes. Hopefully after awhile you get better at it and find that your

sugars are better regulated.

This has been a very good topic to bring up because I think we can all learn

something from it even if we've been at this game awhile, if nothing else

but to remind us to be diligent in planning what we eat.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Victor,

Sugar-free pie still has lots of carbs in it, it just doesn't have " sugar " ,

at least not the normal sugar we usually think of. I'm sure it was still

have plenty of carbs.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

When I was first diagnosed, I kept a food journal on my Braille ‘n Speak. I

wrote down what I ate, what time I ate, and my blood sugars before and after

eating. I also wrote down my exercises that I did upon getting home from

work and before dinner. I don’t keep the journal anymore, but it was a good

tool when learning to control my sugar after first being diagnosed.

Becky

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From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Bill Powers

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:03 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: Re: Sugar,

Harry,

Very good point to ignore the " net " carbs. Boy was that term overused until

this past year huh?

It's hard at first for someone to start thinking in terms of counting carbs,

it seems like a lot of effort. But after you get familiar with what kinds of

foods you can eat, it becomes a lot easier because you know what kinds of

things you can and can't have, then you simply figure out HOW MUCH of

something in particular you can have. At first you'll experiment and find

that some things you thought were OK aren't, and you learn from those

mistakes. Hopefully after awhile you get better at it and find that your

sugars are better regulated.

This has been a very good topic to bring up because I think we can all learn

something from it even if we've been at this game awhile, if nothing else

but to remind us to be diligent in planning what we eat.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

I am sorry that I do not have the original to this - but - I think I will

just jump in here anyway.

Please remember that the term " sugar free " is very, very misleading.

What it actually is saying is that no refined sugars have been added to the

product. It does not tell you that natural sugars such as Fructose and other

" ose " types and such have been included.

These " natural " sugars *do* contain those awful carbohydrates but are

processed somewhat differently by your digestive system. Nevertheless those

carbohydrates *will* eventually enter your system and have to be reckoned

with.

This same fallacy is true for the term " net carbs " . Just be advised that the

" net " term is only another of Madison Avenue's way of convincing you that

black is white.

While we are on this junket also be watchful of the term " Dietetic " . It id

*not* " Diabetic " and you can be lead right down the old Garden Path.

Cy, the Ancient Okie...

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From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Bill Powers

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 7:14 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: Re: Sugar,

Victor,

Sugar-free pie still has lots of carbs in it, it just doesn't have " sugar " ,

at least not the normal sugar we usually think of. I'm sure it was still

have plenty of carbs.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Becky this bell ringing is only through the 23rd of December, but I need to get

control of this sugar. It was pretty good before I started this.

Thanks for the suggestion. We're going to cut out the Ice-cream tomorrow night

and see if Tuesday mornin' my sugar's back to normal. If not, than my sweetie

Lynn, will have to walk down at 5 PM to bring me supper. And it's dark here by

then.

Take care.

Re: Sugar,

,

Your eating sugar too late is part of the problem with your high sugars.

Oatmeal has lots of carbs in it and even low-carb syrup does too. When you

put these two together you have way too many carbs to start out with, and in

my own experience, oatmeal won't stay with you long enough before you get

hungry again.

Lunchmeat on low-carb bread might be OK but what about the cheese? What kind

of cheese and how much sodium does it have?

You say you are going a very long time between lunch and dinner which is not

a good thing for diabetics. Trying to have food at regular intervals helps

you maintain sugars much better.

The real problem though is your ice cream that you have way too late into

the night relative to when you go to bed. You need to cut that out when it's

so close to bedtime. Better to maybe have that kind of dessert once in

awhile when you can do it earlier in the day and have a chance to work it

off.

You might even need to consider having your doctor prescribe you something

to take at bedtime to cover for the " dawn effect " that I recall reading

about on this board about a year ago. Yes I get this effect in my own

experience and cover myself with a Metformin tablet at bedtime to make sure

I have a good fasting sugar in the morning.

Because I'm taking a fourth Metformin which is not prescribed in order to

accomplish my goal, I'll be seeing an endocrinologist next week to go over

my meds and have him change me to something more effective so that I don't

have to take so much in the way of meds and so I can have more uniform

sugars if possible.

As has so aptly pointed out here in many valuable past posts,

considering your carbs is probably your best defese against rising or

drastically fluctuating sugars. It does work, I can attest to that, although

admittedly I don't count them all the time, but rather I look at the type of

food and by now know which ones have lots of carbs and which ones don't, so

that without too much work I can keep my sugars down to a comfortable level.

It's always going to take some effort on our part, but we can do it and one

of the reasons this group is here is to give support to us all collectively

so we can all help each other. Hopefully, I've said something to help you,

.

Best regards,

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

I am willing to do what is necessary to avoid becoming insulin dependent. But

if it happens, well that's the way things will be. My sweetie Lynn's husband

died of diabetes, cause he ignored it till it was too late.

Re: Sugar,

,

Some others have posted good suggestions to you also, very good advice. To

really get a handle on your sugars you will need to talk to your pharmacist

and your doctor so that your sugars don't ride like a roller coaster, you

want to avoid those major swings to keep from future problems. One thing you

have probably noticed over time is that when your sugars get too high you

will feel tired, I know it affects me that way. On the other hand, too low a

sugar makes me feel very out of it and very cold. I wish you well in

managing things so you can live healthy in spite of diabetes.

Bill

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, what a drag. But this is a learning experience for me.

Sugar,

Well folks, I could use some help here. I'm ringing bells for the Salvation

Army, and here's my daily schedule. I ring from 10 AM till 8 PM 6 days a

week. I get up round 8 and have breakfast round 8:30. It consists of a bowl

of oatmeal with sugar free syrup. I usually stand at the kettle, keeping my

hand on it so no one steels it. I have lunch round noon, and it's a sandwich

on lite lo carb bread, of Lunchmeat and cheese, or a peanut and jelly

sandwich. But since I get off so late at night I eat after 8 in the evening,

and it's usually a bowl of soup, or some kind of stew, consisting of mixed

vegetables and either stew meat or ground meat. And then I'll have a bowl of

sugar free ice-cream. But for the past 3 days I've had a piece of sugar free

apple pie with the ice-cream. But Thanksgiving, Lynn and I spent a quiet

thanksgiving here, and we had turkey brest, with green beans, and her home

made mashed potatoes. For the past 4 days my sugar's been 130 and 230. 230

is what it was this mornin'. I'm so tired after ringing, that I'm usually in

bed by 10 PM. Could it be that I'm eating supper too late?

Thanks in advance for anyone's help.

Take care all.

and Lynn

[Guest guest]

Hey, thanks all of you for your advice. We're going to cut out the Ice-cream at

night, try eating lite tomorrow night when I get home round 8 and maybe stay up

for 2 hours, than crash. Check my Sugar Tuesday mornin', if it's still running

high, than Lynn, my significant other, will walk down to Food Land, where I

ring, and bring me supper at 5 each evening till the bell ringing is over. It

will end on the 23rd of December. Before I started this, I ate between 5 and 6

PM and my sugar was around 110 to 130 the next morning.

Take care all.

Re: Sugar,

Harry,

Very good point to ignore the " net " carbs. Boy was that term overused until

this past year huh?

It's hard at first for someone to start thinking in terms of counting carbs,

it seems like a lot of effort. But after you get familiar with what kinds of

foods you can eat, it becomes a lot easier because you know what kinds of

things you can and can't have, then you simply figure out HOW MUCH of

something in particular you can have. At first you'll experiment and find

that some things you thought were OK aren't, and you learn from those

mistakes. Hopefully after awhile you get better at it and find that your

sugars are better regulated.

This has been a very good topic to bring up because I think we can all learn

something from it even if we've been at this game awhile, if nothing else

but to remind us to be diligent in planning what we eat.

Bill Powers

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[Guest guest]

But oh man!!!!!!!! it's sure good.

Re: Sugar,

Victor,

Sugar-free pie still has lots of carbs in it, it just doesn't have " sugar " ,

at least not the normal sugar we usually think of. I'm sure it was still

have plenty of carbs.

Bill Powers

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[Guest guest]

Hi again,

, one of your culprits may well be the home made mashed potatoes.

Potatoes have lots and lots of those carburetors.... (LOL)

If it tastes good it is probably bad for you. (LOL)

With very few exceptions ice cream, cake, various wonderful breads (banana,

nut, pumpkin) and pies are *not* a good thing to consume.

As I said in an earlier post, the terms " sugar Free " , " no sugar added " and

" all natural " really need to be scrutinized.

Just look at the " total carb " count on the product and you will be okay.

Also, be sure to ascertain the " serving size " for the carb count the label

gives.

In lots of cases the " serving size " is much smaller than any normal human

would consume. (LOL)

Who on Earth would normally only eat a half cup of ice cream? Man, that is

not enough to even get a good taste. (LOL)

How about one tablespoon? Come on, get real!

I still give the example of the cake mix we spotted one time. In huge

letters it claimed that each serving contained only 9 carbs. Crystal (my

wife) thought she had struck gold.

Upon closer examination we discovered that, in reality, the wee little

serving size really contained about 50 total carbs and the serving size was

something like a twelfth of the round cake. Who on Earth would give you a

piece of cake that small? The carb calculation also did *not* include any

icing - oops!

Oh well, that's life in the Big City folks.

Cy, the Ancient Okie...

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From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Victor Bishara Real

Estate

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:35 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: Re: Sugar,

What about the sugar free pie. Do you know how much carbs in it?

Victor

Sugar,

Well folks, I could use some help here. I'm ringing bells for the Salvation

Army, and here's my daily schedule. I ring from 10 AM till 8 PM 6 days a

week. I get up round 8 and have breakfast round 8:30. It consists of a bowl

of oatmeal with sugar free syrup. I usually stand at the kettle, keeping my

hand on it so no one steels it. I have lunch round noon, and it's a sandwich

on lite lo carb bread, of Lunchmeat and cheese, or a peanut and jelly

sandwich. But since I get off so late at night I eat after 8 in the evening,

and it's usually a bowl of soup, or some kind of stew, consisting of mixed

vegetables and either stew meat or ground meat. And then I'll have a bowl of

sugar free ice-cream. But for the past 3 days I've had a piece of sugar free

apple pie with the ice-cream. But Thanksgiving, Lynn and I spent a quiet

thanksgiving here, and we had turkey brest, with green beans, and her home

made mashed potatoes. For the past 4 days my sugar's been 130 and 230. 230

is what it was this mornin'. I'm so tired aftr ringing, that I'm usually in

bed by 10 PM. Could it be that I'm eating supper too late?

Thanks in advance for anyone's help.

Take care all.

and Lynn

[Guest guest]

Cy,

Boy you're right on in your post. Just because something is sugar-free that

doesn't mean it's not laden with salt or FRUCTOSE. I remember when New York

Seltzers were the big thing 25 years ago and 2 weeks into my drinking some

of this stuff every day, I found I had gained weight and then read the fine

print telling me that there was FRUCTOSE in those drinks. Not to mention

salt from the carbonation. No more Seltzers for me thank you. (And I seem to

recall the company was sued over that but never heard how the case turned

out.)

Cy, as far as I'm concerned, it's all a shell game to me. Look at the sugar,

don't look at the salt, or here, look at low low-fat this is, but hey, don't

think about the extra sugar we added to make this have some flavor...

Bait-and-switch, these companies do it over and over again, and the public

keeps falling for it. Oh hopefully one day, Q. Public will wake up, but

I'm not holding my breath.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Cy,

I'll give you another good example of marketing misleads for diet-conscious

consumers. I don't know if they're still doing this but a number of years

ago fruit-filled yogurts were new and so was frozen yogurt. I used to love

to buy these little individual cartons of yogurt that seemed more like

pudding than an ice-cream type yogurt, and even then I stayed away from the

fruit-filled ones because, though not diabetic at the time, I was concerned

about weight gain. I remember this one brand said " one-third less calories "

in huge print. Then in teeny tiny print underneath, almost washed out

against the background of the packaging, it said " than fruit-filled yogurt " .

Huh? Well gee Dad, ANYONE could make that claim. I recall being so annoyed

with the company I sent them one of my highly polished, polite-as-you-please

while stabbing you in the back Nastygrams complaining that was an unfair and

dishonest thing to do. Someone else must have agreed because the company got

their hindsights nailed in court for that and the packaging had to be

changed to remove the false labeling from their products.

I think we've seen so many fads come and go and they have done so much to

just plain confue the public on what is and isn't good that it makes me

dizzy. And now that the low-carb fad has kind of worn out its supermarketing

welcome, gee what fad will be next to turn out the same garbage in different

packages. Someone is going to come up with something new soon that we've

never ever heard of before and suddenly all foods and vitamin supplements

will have to have whatever this is or else business can't drive sales. Can't

do carbs again, that's over, can't do calories, that's over, can't do " all

nabural " because it wore out its synthetic welcome, so what's next in this

never-ending shell game of redressing the same old stuff with a new coat of

paint? I guess we'll all find out soon.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Yeah we knew the home made mashed potatoes would probably raise my sugar sky

high and it did.

Sugar,

Well folks, I could use some help here. I'm ringing bells for the Salvation

Army, and here's my daily schedule. I ring from 10 AM till 8 PM 6 days a

week. I get up round 8 and have breakfast round 8:30. It consists of a bowl

of oatmeal with sugar free syrup. I usually stand at the kettle, keeping my

hand on it so no one steels it. I have lunch round noon, and it's a sandwich

on lite lo carb bread, of Lunchmeat and cheese, or a peanut and jelly

sandwich. But since I get off so late at night I eat after 8 in the evening,

and it's usually a bowl of soup, or some kind of stew, consisting of mixed

vegetables and either stew meat or ground meat. And then I'll have a bowl of

sugar free ice-cream. But for the past 3 days I've had a piece of sugar free

apple pie with the ice-cream. But Thanksgiving, Lynn and I spent a quiet

thanksgiving here, and we had turkey brest, with green beans, and her home

made mashed potatoes. For the past 4 days my sugar's been 130 and 230. 230

is what it was this mornin'. I'm so tired aftr ringing, that I'm usually in

bed by 10 PM. Could it be that I'm eating supper too late?

Thanks in advance for anyone's help.

Take care all.

and Lynn

[Guest guest]

, spare your wife of running supper over to you at five. we must take

responsibility for our own body. you can very easily just take a sandwich with

you and eat it on time. don't make it a big deal. I have done this for years.

diabetes is my problem so why put out your spouse? from Canada

Re: Sugar,

Harry,

Very good point to ignore the " net " carbs. Boy was that term overused until

this past year huh?

It's hard at first for someone to start thinking in terms of counting carbs,

it seems like a lot of effort. But after you get familiar with what kinds of

foods you can eat, it becomes a lot easier because you know what kinds of

things you can and can't have, then you simply figure out HOW MUCH of

something in particular you can have. At first you'll experiment and find

that some things you thought were OK aren't, and you learn from those

mistakes. Hopefully after awhile you get better at it and find that your

sugars are better regulated.

This has been a very good topic to bring up because I think we can all learn

something from it even if we've been at this game awhile, if nothing else

but to remind us to be diligent in planning what we eat.

Bill Powers

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10:55 AM

[Guest guest]

, I am only a couple of months into this mess of a

disease, but I am not sure basing anything on a morning

reading is going to be accurate. Everyone is different, but

even in me, no matter how good or how bad I have done the

day and evening before does not seem to give me a consistent

reading in the morning. Last night my reading was 101; this

morning it was 131. Go figure!

I'm right there with you, brother. Some day it will make

some sense to some one else...

SS