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Hi everyone hope ya'll are feeling good today.

We have a trampoline for the girls Now my oldest

she jumps on it but the NSG said he would perfer Shelby not jump.

I'll be the first to say we have cheated alittle with her. I do let her jump

for alittle while but with no one on it and she is not allowed to do

flips and other stuff just litely jump. Hey shes 6, maybe I'm wrong

We did get her a swing set and bought her a new bike and that does

keep her off that trampoline, she hardly gets on it anymore.

We also go to the lake alot during the summer, tubing and skiing

now the dr. did say he did not want Shelby riding the tubes anymore

that was to much trauma to her neck, so I bought her a bunch of water toys

and when they got out tubing we stay at camp and play. She hasnt

missed that one much.

((((((((HUGS))))))))

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I don't think it is being over-protective to say NO to trampolines. I got

hurt on one in high school (wrenched my knee). IF your child can't resist

and is going to be on a trampoline, make sure he is the only one on it. (our

neighbors have 4 or 5 kids on at once--- with no adult supervision).

has NOT had surgery, but I asked her neurosurgeon (highly recommended

on the list) if parasailing could cause her neck to jerk around too much and

cause her to have increased symptoms and this is what he wrote:

" It is certainly possible, but there is really no data on what exactly sets

up the symptoms. You may wish to let her decide with parental

consideration? "

even the experts don't agree on what can and can't cause symptoms to flare up.

As far as gymnastics goes. Our friends have a daughter who had decompression

surgery at University of Michigan. She also has a shunt and is on seizure

medication. they told her the ONLY thing they didn't want her doing was

playing soccer. She has taken gymnastics for a few years now. SHe loves it

and doesn't have any Chiari symptoms.

I asked what she thought about the trampoline issue and she said ,

Well, if you aren't supposed to jerk your head around, you probably shouldn't

be on a trampoline. "

('s mom) is 13 y/o

ACM 1, Dx:July ' 99

20 mm herniation (has not had surgery)

Symptoms are mild: headaches & migraines (controlled with Amitriptylene)

[headaches are not the typical occipital ones--she ALWAYS has them in her

forehead and occasionally on the sides of her head above her ears], tremors

in her shoulder, tingling in her hands, frequent stomach-aches, ringing in

her ear with ANY pain, stabbing pains in her arms and legs that come and go,

numb spots, ear pain, head pain, chronic lower back pain, hands and knees

shaking, chest pain

6/99 compression fractures of T 7 And T 9.

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In a message dated 4/24/01 8:02:32 AM Central Daylight Time, dsh79758@...

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> We also go to the lake alot during the summer, tubing and skiing

> now the dr. did say he did not want Shelby riding the tubes anymore

>

Is this on a tube being pulled behind a boat?

After watching the way people get tossed around behind a boat, I don't think

anyone should be doing that. I would think there would be many injuries from

tubing.

('s mom) is 13 y/o

ACM 1, Dx:July ' 99

20 mm herniation (has not had surgery)

Symptoms are mild: headaches & migraines (controlled with Amitriptylene)

[headaches are not the typical occipital ones--she ALWAYS has them in her

forehead and occasionally on the sides of her head above her ears], tremors

in her shoulder, tingling in her hands, frequent stomach-aches, ringing in

her ear with ANY pain, stabbing pains in her arms and legs that come and go,

numb spots, ear pain, head pain, chronic lower back pain, hands and knees

shaking, chest pain

6/99 compression fractures of T 7 And T 9.

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- I have a 4 year daughter, who thank god, so far shows no symptoms.

But I too, like you - wonder what things she should be allowed and

not allowed to do. Such a trampoline, gymnastics, roller coasters, I sure

do not want to aggrevate this monster. If anyone has any suggestions

please post.

thanks, Rita

Trampolines & kids

I just want to make sure I am not being an overprotective parent.

Many of our neighbors have trampolines. Both of my children have chiari.

, who is 9, was decompressed in 97 and doing well. Noah, is 5, and

being decompressed in June. I will not allow them to go on the trampolines.

Noah came home crying the other day because a neighbor boy told him he can

not go on the trampoline because he has to have brain surgery.

It is SO hard. I do not want to put my kids in a plastic bubble, BUT I do

not want to cause more problems. Noah was on a very small trampoline at

preschool the other day and he told his teacher he got a bad headache.

I just wondered what other parents views are on this? Am I being

overprotective?????

Newcomb

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Sheri - has Shelby been decompressed yet?

Why can't she ride water tubes? Skiing I think

I could understand, easy chance of falling and

messing w/spinal cord but laying in a raft?

See why we are so confused?!?

Re: RE: Trampolines & kids

Hi everyone hope ya'll are feeling good today.

We have a trampoline for the girls Now my oldest

she jumps on it but the NSG said he would perfer Shelby not jump.

I'll be the first to say we have cheated alittle with her. I do let her jump

for alittle while but with no one on it and she is not allowed to do

flips and other stuff just litely jump. Hey shes 6, maybe I'm wrong

We did get her a swing set and bought her a new bike and that does

keep her off that trampoline, she hardly gets on it anymore.

We also go to the lake alot during the summer, tubing and skiing

now the dr. did say he did not want Shelby riding the tubes anymore

that was to much trauma to her neck, so I bought her a bunch of water toys

and when they got out tubing we stay at camp and play. She hasnt

missed that one much.

((((((((HUGS))))))))

Sheri

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> Sheri - has Shelby been decompressed yet?

> Why can't she ride water tubes? Skiing I think

> I could understand, easy chance of falling and

> messing w/spinal cord but laying in a raft?

> See why we are so confused?!?

>

Actually I don't think this is confusing at all........However, there is

tubing and then there is TUBING!!! I also passed on a tubing excursion for

fear of injury....We were going down a river where there were some small

" white water " areas...and you " sit " pretty low in these big tires...your

head/neck has the perfect " opportunity " to bounce around on these hard

rubber tires...it can end up in some pretty weird angles,too.

Arrgghhh...hurts to think about it.

In the instance of kids... " laying around " ..I wouldn't be quite so

concerned. Except, with kids, how often do the just lay around??? I have

mental pictures of jumping from tire to tire....trying to upset the other

person's tire..etc...etc...etc....The old neck is in some pretty vulnerable

positions with these. I would want to know the kids involved pretty well...

Sorry to be a spoil sport...but with all these things, I think that you have

to put them in perspective....

enjoyment VS. risk!! Tough decisions....

Best wishes,

Sally R...ACM..Decompression '91..Hydro ..

VP shunt.... 2 revisions...NO medications... doing well in

Bethlehem,Pa

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hi lisa,

hope you are doing well.

about the trampoline thing...i would be pulled two ways, first i can

totally understand the other mom..not because of 'upcoming brain surgery'

(i might have found a gentler way to put it)

but she might be worried that something she let noah do, may cause him to

be in pain....

on the other hand....i would be inclined to let noahs body tell him if

its too much on him.

maybe you can find one of those little excercise trampolins for at

home...he is only five and wouldnt need a great big one, and he might not

feel left out if he has one of 'his own'

its hard for me to watch kerry riding his bike or learning to use his

skateboard and not flip out ( " stop, slow down, be careful " ) but its so

important for kids to do 'normal' things.

tracy in il.---son 10y/o acm1-- 7mm--surgery scheduled june 1st '01

http://www.delphi.com/chiarifriends/start

On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:57:02 -0500 " jlnewcomb "

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> I just want to make sure I am not being an overprotective parent.

> Many of our neighbors have trampolines. Both of my children have

> chiari. , who is 9, was decompressed in 97 and doing well.

> Noah, is 5, and being decompressed in June. I will not allow them

> to go on the trampolines. Noah came home crying the other day

> because a neighbor boy told him he can not go on the trampoline

> because he has to have brain surgery.

> It is SO hard. I do not want to put my kids in a plastic bubble,

> BUT I do not want to cause more problems. Noah was on a very small

> trampoline at preschool the other day and he told his teacher he got

> a bad headache.

> I just wondered what other parents views are on this? Am I being

> overprotective?????

> Newcomb

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Yes we pull the tubes behind the boat. I did not know then

that Shelby had ACM so we have stopped doing that.

She would ride in my lap when on the tube now we just float on

watch. I got hurt real bad last summer when my brother in law

pulled me and I hurt my neck so I dont ride any more either.

I have wondered if that is the reason why I hear those popping

and crackling noises in my head.

(((((((HUGS))))))

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NO. You are loving your children! In my opinion, trampolines, especially

could be bad for Chiarians. Because not only do they press down the brain

and cause the fluid dynamics of the brain to " slosh " about. It also puts

pressure at the bottom of the spine in the lumbar area.

In my career working in trauma. I have known for a man to break his

ankles and his neck when he landed on a hard surface after falling from

a building two stories. Now, I realize this is an exaggeration. But,

notice that he broke ANKLES and NECK. This is weird. But, it is the

exertion that is applied to the spine called the compression effect that

could cause damage to a Chairian.

I believe this. And, with my own experience of trampolines and headaches.

I only tried my kids trampoline that they got a couple years ago just

once. That was enough to convince me to not ever do it again. My head

hurt bad for hours after that.

Others may feel different. And, I am not against all types of physical

activity. But, this exertion on the spine seems harsh for our condition.

And, it is so repetitive. They jump at times for an hour or more. Ask

your children's doc.

By the way. I have one of those cages on my kids trampoline. Am I too

protective? No, we love them and don't want them to get hurt. You are

just using the mother instinct that God has trusted you with for your

children.

You love your children. You are not too tough. Just help them understand.

And, then perhaps tell the parent of the child that made the comment

about the brain surgery to talk to their children.

Then, maybe you could replace your child's need for the trampoline with

another gift of your choice and within your budget. They may appreciate

that. What about a remote controlled airplane or boat if you are near

water? Neat!

in Ala.

On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:57:02 -0500 " jlnewcomb "

writes:

> I just want to make sure I am not being an overprotective parent.

> Many of our neighbors have trampolines. Both of my children have

> chiari. , who is 9, was decompressed in 97 and doing well.

> Noah, is 5, and being decompressed in June. I will not allow them

> to go on the trampolines. Noah came home crying the other day

> because a neighbor boy told him he can not go on the trampoline

> because he has to have brain surgery.

> It is SO hard. I do not want to put my kids in a plastic bubble,

> BUT I do not want to cause more problems. Noah was on a very small

> trampoline at preschool the other day and he told his teacher he got

> a bad headache.

> I just wondered what other parents views are on this? Am I being

> overprotective?????

> Newcomb

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