Re: Okay, do I really have more of an adrenal issue than a thyroid issue?

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>>I never even thought of this, but it makes total sense. Thank you.

However, do you still feel I should try to wean down to about 30 mg HC

in light of how well I am doing right now? I am nervous being on such a

high dose as you caution people to try not to go over 30. How does one

know if you actually NEED this much? By going down and doing worse?<<

I would hold that dose for a couple weeks and monitor BP as that will go up if

it is too high. If your BPO goes high it is a pretty good sign it is too high a

dose and then you could try to lower until you get to having symptoms again.

Then go back to the last dose where you felt good.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you! Will do.

>

> >>I never even thought of this, but it makes total sense. Thank

you.

>

> However, do you still feel I should try to wean down to about 30 mg

HC

> in light of how well I am doing right now? I am nervous being on

such a

> high dose as you caution people to try not to go over 30. How does

one

> know if you actually NEED this much? By going down and doing worse?

<<

>

> I would hold that dose for a couple weeks and monitor BP as that

will go up if it is too high. If your BPO goes high it is a pretty

good sign it is too high a dose and then you could try to lower until

you get to having symptoms again. Then go back to the last dose where

you felt good.

>

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

About 4 years ago,.when i was at low stage 4 or stage 5,I asked my

naturopath if I need some thyroid support and he told me when my adrenals

are healed thyroids will also be fine.

I have been thinking on this.I think at early stages of adrenal exhaustion

when adrenals are working hard,thyroid functioning is being suppressed. But

I have no idea what happens when person moves into further stages of adrenal

exhaustion.

bw

Nil

Re: Okay, do I really have more of an adrenal issue

than a thyroid issue?

>I am starting to wonder about these same things myself. I had been

> on Armour for years--high dose, 5 grains--with little relief.

> Switched to T3 only (120 mcg) a few months ago, but still no change,

> EXCEPT for, as you mentioned, the addition of some serious edema. By

> nighttime, my calves, ankles, and feet swell so badly, I can barely

> walk, and I'm not an old lady (at least I don't think I am--42).

>

[Guest guest]

I suspect what he said would be true for many, IF their thyroids had

not suffered permanent damage before the adrenal problem was

discovered. It will be very interesting to watch the story unfold,

as adrenal fatigue comes into the mainstream. Assuming it ever does,

that is.

Do I sound jaded?

>

> Hi

>

> About 4 years ago,.when i was at low stage 4 or stage 5,I asked my

> naturopath if I need some thyroid support and he told me when my

adrenals

> are healed thyroids will also be fine.

> I have been thinking on this.I think at early stages of adrenal

exhaustion

> when adrenals are working hard,thyroid functioning is being

suppressed. But

> I have no idea what happens when person moves into further stages

of adrenal

> exhaustion.

> bw

> Nil

> Re: Okay, do I really have more of an

adrenal issue

> than a thyroid issue?

>

>

> >I am starting to wonder about these same things myself. I had been

> > on Armour for years--high dose, 5 grains--with little relief.

> > Switched to T3 only (120 mcg) a few months ago, but still no

change,

> > EXCEPT for, as you mentioned, the addition of some serious

edema. By

> > nighttime, my calves, ankles, and feet swell so badly, I can

barely

> > walk, and I'm not an old lady (at least I don't think I am--42).

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm happy to hear your doing so well. I don't know why your windpipe would hurt

especially if you otherwise feel very well. I think somebody said that T4 will

last up to a week in your wsystem but it appears that it may be lasting much

longer for you. It could be that your taking enough HC to get all that Rt3

that's been sitting there, into the cells. I don't know how long of a thyroid

dump you could have but 2.5 weeks is a long one.

keickholt13 wrote:

Hi ,

This might be a good point, at least for those on lower doses who still

have high rt3.

I stopped the Armour about 2 weeks ago, mabye 2 and 1/2 weeks.

This might sound stupid, but ever since then, my windpipe hurts to the

touch, down low, but not as low as where the thyroid is. I don't have

Hashi's so it can't be an attack. I think maybe my own thyroid is achy

from having to kick back in as the Armour wears off. Does that sound

far-fetched? I can't think of any other reason why I don't feel more

hypo being on NO Armour and only 20 mcg of t3. I know it takes several

weeks to leave the body fully, but you'd think I'd start to feel very

hypo pretty quickly. I know I did previously when I would stop thryoid

meds.

I am not counting out the possiblilty I will need more and more t3 as

the weeks go by and I'm off Armour, but there really seems to be

something different (and better) going on with me being on a higher

dose of Cortef, that's for sure.

Here's just one example: I rode my horses today on only 3 hours of

sleep and felt BETTER than I used to on 20 mg HC and 8 hours of sleep!

Weird, huh? No AI symptoms at all. I used to get really dizzy when I

would ride and feel very worn out afterward.

Kathleen

>

> I think many of us are switching to T3 when the

> reality is we often need more cortef to prevent RT3

> buildup. When did you quit Armour?

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" And since my thyroid problem is autoimmune, I further find myself wondering if

the adrenal problem wasn't there first, causing immune system dysfunction that

destroyed the thyroid... "

Do you have thyroid antibodies which is why your thyroid problem is

autoimmune? Can adrenal fatigue cause antibodies that destroy the thyroid "

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A few years ago when I was first diagnosed with Graves Disease, there

was an article or study floating around that concluded high cortisol

triggered Graves autoimmunity. I can't find it now, but that idea has

definitely been considered.

>

> " And since my thyroid problem is autoimmune, I further find myself

wondering if the adrenal problem wasn't there first, causing immune

system dysfunction that destroyed the thyroid... "

>

> Do you have thyroid antibodies which is why your thyroid problem

is autoimmune? Can adrenal fatigue cause antibodies that destroy the

thyroid "

>

>

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[Guest guest]

This is very interesting point, , because I have been on a

higher dose of HC for a while here (44, then 40, then 37.5, but weaning

off and now on 27.5 - 30) but find myself needing only small amounts of

t3 (25 mcg as of yesterday) whereas I was taking huge doses before. Of

course, there is still Armour in my system (stopped 2 grains almost 3

weeks ago) and I'm not saying I don't need a bit more t3 or that I

won't down the road as all the Armour wears off, but STILL. So maybe

you have somethng here! But as my t4 levels are near optimal on NO

meds, I do plan to try out just t3 to see if that will bump up my free

t3 as taking Armour made me really sick.

Kathleen

>

> I think many of us are switching to T3 when the

> reality is we often need more cortef to prevent RT3

> buildup. When did you quit Armour?

[Guest guest]

Thank you, ! (Sorry for the tardy reply; I miss many posts!)

My windpipe stopped hurting 2 days ago. One thing I suspected is that

my thyroid is kicking back in again after being suppressed (TSH .oo1)

for several months, and maybe it was achy a bit?

Yes, something is going on with me, but I think it's good! I am 25 mcg

t3 right now and SO FAR, do not need more, but very well may as all the

Armour wears off. Still, before, when I was taking Armour and t3, I

had to go up as high as 260 mcg, then down to 112 mcg t3. All this was

on 20 mg HC.

Maybe I really did need more HC! I am trying to wean down to the lowest

possible and am at 27.5 to 30 and thing I will stay there a while to

see what happens.

Kathleen

>

> I'm happy to hear your doing so well. I don't know why your windpipe

would hurt especially if you otherwise feel very well. I think somebody

said that T4 will last up to a week in your wsystem but it appears

that it may be lasting much longer for you. It could be that your

taking enough HC to get all that Rt3 that's been sitting there, into

the cells. I don't know how long of a thyroid dump you could have but

2.5 weeks is a long one.

>